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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: wilts rover on December 31, 2023, 10:26:00 am
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You must all be so proud:
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Perhaps Keith will do a better job given it's the only thing he hasn't reneged on .... As Yet !!
Vote Labour
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It's embarrassing isn't it Wilts?
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Great really, on a personal note financially, share dealing good, property owning good, personal life not so good losing the wife nothing to do with Brexit, and a number on here still seem to have all day every day the time to vent their spleen they lost a democratic vote and would overturn it given the chance, really bad losers who the rest of us can laugh at.
If your life has not moved on since 2016 and you depend on others to bail you out, you need to start looking at yourself and get some ambition in life.
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Perhaps Keith will do a better job given it's the only thing he hasn't reneged on .... As Yet !!
Vote Labour
This. Absolutely this.
Sums up Brexit.
It was never, ever about anything positive for the UK.
It was always about the unfocussed anger of people who wanted something or somebody to blame for things not being how they wanted them to be.
And still it goes one. Here's a person who voted Leave and has never given us a reason why that made sense, hearing the word "Brexit" and immediately reacting by swinging a punch at the current object of his anger.
How long will this go on for?
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Stopped all the undesirable elements plaguing Europe pouring in without having to ‘Paddle’ across the pond that alone has saved you £ Billions, have a walk around Abbot street and Spansyke Street,Hexthorpe if you don’t know what I’ m on about , if you Wokey lefty confused about your sexuality types find your Cojones that is!
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If i asked the same question and brexit had not happened you would still get the same answers on most of the questions due to covid and the ukraine war
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Democracy. What a bummer
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The majority voted for Brexit, because they were led to believe the country was in a sorry state due to all those pesky immigrants, rather than the batshit Austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne.
The likes of Farage and his cohorts and self interested far right Tories and the Daily Heil/Express did the rest.
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Perhaps Keith will do a better job given it's the only thing he hasn't reneged on .... As Yet !!
Vote Labour
This. Absolutely this.
Sums up Brexit.
It was never, ever about anything positive for the UK.
It was always about the unfocussed anger of people who wanted something or somebody to blame for things not being how they wanted them to be.
And still it goes one. Here's a person who voted Leave and has never given us a reason why that made sense, hearing the word "Brexit" and immediately reacting by swinging a punch at the current object of his anger.
How long will this go on for?
I don't know Billy , why don't you ask Jon Cruddas ?
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The demographically Brexit voters is clear to see on this thread,along with the reasons they voted for it.
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The majority voted for Brexit, because they were led to believe the country was in a sorry state due to all those pesky immigrants, rather than the batshit Austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne.
The likes of Farage and his cohorts and self interested far right Tories and the Daily Heil/Express did the rest.
That’s exactly the dismissive, ignorant thought process of many remainers that led to leave winning the vote in the first place.
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The demographically Brexit voters is clear to see on this thread,along with the reasons they voted for it.
So vote for a party that will reverse it if you feel that strongly about it .
If that party wins an election on that ticket then that's fair enough , it's called democracy .
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The majority voted for Brexit, because they were led to believe the country was in a sorry state due to all those pesky immigrants, rather than the batshit Austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne.
The likes of Farage and his cohorts and self interested far right Tories and the Daily Heil/Express did the rest.
That’s exactly the dismissive, ignorant thought process of many remainers that led to leave winning the vote in the first place.
And this is precisely the kind of trope used by Brexiteers attempting to mask their embarrassment at their gullibility in believing all of the lies told by Farage and Johnson.
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Yep, Farage and the Brexit party did exactly that, but were not given the chance to carry their promises through, that remained the power of the two main parties, one led by a communist who sat on the fence while his party pulled apart with quislings like stabber blatantly lining up with some Tories canoodling with the EU to overturn and make it as difficult as possible the result being a success.
And the educated idiots left leading the Tory party jumping ship because what happened was not really what they wanted or expected.
Very few areas that were suffering before Brexit are any worse off now than they were before, the mainly woke majority down south they are because most were living a good life on the never never and then the banks decided as in other periods the 1980's especially we can sting them with the interest rate, its just a repeating generation thing, entice them in then sting them.
So Farage told porkies and promised the Earth, Like Heath with the EU membership Maastricht and Lisbon treaty, the second vote in Ireland promising hell and high water if they didn't vote stay the second vote, and Blair himself wars and education education will save us all while slowly setting up his portfolio for his own family, and his wife in the swim with them over in Brussels setting the agenda for the rest of us for years to come.
Get real, everything fed to you is a sound bite you can fornicate over or hate, while just the few make the real coin. Whichever party you follow they just give you the speal you want to hear and the minimum of support if you fall into trouble and if you do well they want their percentage for them to rule with your money but use it in a way that they benefit from.
All Farage did was appeal to more people than wanted to stay in the EU, the vote being taken 10 years too early because the generations who had been led up the garden path With the Lisbon Treaty and the Maastricht treaty were still alive and were not going to fall for that sides lies again.
Put all that together, and the fact that the face publicly of the stay brigade in the media were either posh boy pricks or stuck up women MPS from both main parties especially who gave the impression the working man was to wipe their boots on and were uneducated idiots an idea I think some remainers on here carry on to this day, there is no wonder they got their faces slapped and dicked from behind.
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Yep, Farage and the Brexit party did exactly that, but were not given the chance to carry their promises through, that remained the power of the two main parties, one led by a communist who sat on the fence while his party pulled apart with quislings like stabber blatantly lining up with some Tories canoodling with the EU to overturn and make it as difficult as possible the result being a success.
And the educated idiots left leading the Tory party jumping ship because what happened was not really what they wanted or expected.
Very few areas that were suffering before Brexit are any worse off now than they were before, the mainly woke majority down south they are because most were living a good life on the never never and then the banks decided as in other periods the 1980's especially we can sting them with the interest rate, its just a repeating generation thing, entice them in then sting them.
So Farage told porkies and promised the Earth, Like Heath with the EU membership Maastricht and Lisbon treaty, the second vote in Ireland promising hell and high water if they didn't vote stay the second vote, and Blair himself wars and education education will save us all while slowly setting up his portfolio for his own family, and his wife in the swim with them over in Brussels setting the agenda for the rest of us for years to come.
Get real, everything fed to you is a sound bite you can fornicate over or hate, while just the few make the real coin. Whichever party you follow they just give you the speal you want to hear and the minimum of support if you fall into trouble and if you do well they want their percentage for them to rule with your money but use it in a way that they benefit from.
All Farage did was appeal to more people than wanted to stay in the EU, the vote being taken 10 years too early because the generations who had been led up the garden path With the Lisbon Treaty and the Maastricht treaty were still alive and were not going to fall for that sides lies again.
Put all that together, and the fact that the face publicly of the stay brigade in the media were either posh boy pricks or stuck up women MPS from both main parties especially who gave the impression the working man was to wipe their boots on and were uneducated idiots an idea I think some remainers on here carry on to this day, there is no wonder they got their faces slapped and dicked from behind.
Nope,me neither.
Apart from another one throwing what he believes to be insults around without having a clue what woke means.
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The majority voted for Brexit, because they were led to believe the country was in a sorry state due to all those pesky immigrants, rather than the batshit Austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne.
The likes of Farage and his cohorts and self interested far right Tories and the Daily Heil/Express did the rest.
That’s exactly the dismissive, ignorant thought process of many remainers that led to leave winning the vote in the first place.
Belton. If you stop and dissect what you've just said, you're actually agreeing with what I posted.
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Yep, Farage and the Brexit party did exactly that, but were not given the chance to carry their promises through, that remained the power of the two main parties, one led by a communist who sat on the fence while his party pulled apart with quislings like stabber blatantly lining up with some Tories canoodling with the EU to overturn and make it as difficult as possible the result being a success.
And the educated idiots left leading the Tory party jumping ship because what happened was not really what they wanted or expected.
Very few areas that were suffering before Brexit are any worse off now than they were before, the mainly woke majority down south they are because most were living a good life on the never never and then the banks decided as in other periods the 1980's especially we can sting them with the interest rate, its just a repeating generation thing, entice them in then sting them.
So Farage told porkies and promised the Earth, Like Heath with the EU membership Maastricht and Lisbon treaty, the second vote in Ireland promising hell and high water if they didn't vote stay the second vote, and Blair himself wars and education education will save us all while slowly setting up his portfolio for his own family, and his wife in the swim with them over in Brussels setting the agenda for the rest of us for years to come.
Get real, everything fed to you is a sound bite you can fornicate over or hate, while just the few make the real coin. Whichever party you follow they just give you the speal you want to hear and the minimum of support if you fall into trouble and if you do well they want their percentage for them to rule with your money but use it in a way that they benefit from.
All Farage did was appeal to more people than wanted to stay in the EU, the vote being taken 10 years too early because the generations who had been led up the garden path With the Lisbon Treaty and the Maastricht treaty were still alive and were not going to fall for that sides lies again.
Put all that together, and the fact that the face publicly of the stay brigade in the media were either posh boy pricks or stuck up women MPS from both main parties especially who gave the impression the working man was to wipe their boots on and were uneducated idiots an idea I think some remainers on here carry on to this day, there is no wonder they got their faces slapped and dicked from behind.
That's like a bad AI code trying to write a Daily Mail leader.
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Yep, Farage and the Brexit party did exactly that, but were not given the chance to carry their promises through, that remained the power of the two main parties, one led by a communist who sat on the fence while his party pulled apart with quislings like stabber blatantly lining up with some Tories canoodling with the EU to overturn and make it as difficult as possible the result being a success.
And the educated idiots left leading the Tory party jumping ship because what happened was not really what they wanted or expected.
Very few areas that were suffering before Brexit are any worse off now than they were before, the mainly woke majority down south they are because most were living a good life on the never never and then the banks decided as in other periods the 1980's especially we can sting them with the interest rate, its just a repeating generation thing, entice them in then sting them.
So Farage told porkies and promised the Earth, Like Heath with the EU membership Maastricht and Lisbon treaty, the second vote in Ireland promising hell and high water if they didn't vote stay the second vote, and Blair himself wars and education education will save us all while slowly setting up his portfolio for his own family, and his wife in the swim with them over in Brussels setting the agenda for the rest of us for years to come.
Get real, everything fed to you is a sound bite you can fornicate over or hate, while just the few make the real coin. Whichever party you follow they just give you the speal you want to hear and the minimum of support if you fall into trouble and if you do well they want their percentage for them to rule with your money but use it in a way that they benefit from.
All Farage did was appeal to more people than wanted to stay in the EU, the vote being taken 10 years too early because the generations who had been led up the garden path With the Lisbon Treaty and the Maastricht treaty were still alive and were not going to fall for that sides lies again.
Put all that together, and the fact that the face publicly of the stay brigade in the media were either posh boy pricks or stuck up women MPS from both main parties especially who gave the impression the working man was to wipe their boots on and were uneducated idiots an idea I think some remainers on here carry on to this day, there is no wonder they got their faces slapped and dicked from behind.
You been on the Sherry a bit early?
Haven’t a clue what you ate trying to say, apart from trying to insult people
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The majority voted for Brexit, because they were led to believe the country was in a sorry state due to all those pesky immigrants, rather than the batshit Austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne.
The likes of Farage and his cohorts and self interested far right Tories and the Daily Heil/Express did the rest.
That’s exactly the dismissive, ignorant thought process of many remainers that led to leave winning the vote in the first place.
Belton. If you stop and dissect what you've just said, you're actually agreeing with what I posted.
I don’t recall disagreeing with what you posted. Or even commenting on it at all.
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The majority voted for Brexit, because they were led to believe the country was in a sorry state due to all those pesky immigrants, rather than the batshit Austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne.
The likes of Farage and his cohorts and self interested far right Tories and the Daily Heil/Express did the rest.
That’s exactly the dismissive, ignorant thought process of many remainers that led to leave winning the vote in the first place.
Dismissive and ignorant eh?
So your saying a fair and balanced argument by both sides led to places like Boston voting 80% for Brexit and other deprived areas in the North like South Yorkshire not far behind.
Despite the fact that we were due multi billion pounds of investment from the EU over the following years, which we ditched for a bunch of false promises.
I Think it's you who are ignorant.
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The majority voted for Brexit, because they were led to believe the country was in a sorry state due to all those pesky immigrants, rather than the batshit Austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne.
The likes of Farage and his cohorts and self interested far right Tories and the Daily Heil/Express did the rest.
That’s exactly the dismissive, ignorant thought process of many remainers that led to leave winning the vote in the first place.
Dismissive and ignorant eh?
So your saying a fair and balanced argument by both sides led to places like Boston voting 80% for Brexit and other deprived areas in the North like South Yorkshire not far behind.
Despite the fact that we were due multi billion pounds of investment from the EU over the following years, which we ditched for a bunch of false promises.
I Think it's you who are ignorant.
I’m saying it’s dismissive and ignorant to say that the majority of leavers voted because they were led to believe that immigrants were responsible for the sorry state the country was in.
Incredibly so.
By the way, I never said you were ignorant, just that particular thought process.
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Then why do you think Boston voted 80% to leave?
Do you think they exclusively made their own minds up or were they influenced by the barrage of anti immigration messages by Farage etc, with the added cherry on the top of how much better it would be if we stopped all these foreigners coming in.
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The majority voted for Brexit, because they were led to believe the country was in a sorry state due to all those pesky immigrants, rather than the batshit Austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne.
The likes of Farage and his cohorts and self interested far right Tories and the Daily Heil/Express did the rest.
That’s exactly the dismissive, ignorant thought process of many remainers that led to leave winning the vote in the first place.
Belton. If you stop and dissect what you've just said, you're actually agreeing with what I posted.
I don’t recall disagreeing with what you posted. Or even commenting on it at all.
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My apologies. The egotist in me thought you were replying to me. I'm going to try being a bit less narcissistic in 2024.
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That’s a good question. 80% is much, much higher than the 52% overall. That suggests to me that there was an element of there being a stronger anti immigrant feeling there before Farage et al came along.
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The majority voted for Brexit, because they were led to believe the country was in a sorry state due to all those pesky immigrants, rather than the batshit Austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne.
The likes of Farage and his cohorts and self interested far right Tories and the Daily Heil/Express did the rest.
That’s exactly the dismissive, ignorant thought process of many remainers that led to leave winning the vote in the first place.
Belton. If you stop and dissect what you've just said, you're actually agreeing with what I posted.
I don’t recall disagreeing with what you posted. Or even commenting on it at all.
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My apologies. The egotist in me thought you were replying to me. I'm going to try being a bit less narcissistic in 2024.
No worries.
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The majority voted for Brexit, because they were led to believe the country was in a sorry state due to all those pesky immigrants, rather than the batshit Austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne.
The likes of Farage and his cohorts and self interested far right Tories and the Daily Heil/Express did the rest.
That’s exactly the dismissive, ignorant thought process of many remainers that led to leave winning the vote in the first place.
Dismissive and ignorant eh?
So your saying a fair and balanced argument by both sides led to places like Boston voting 80% for Brexit and other deprived areas in the North like South Yorkshire not far behind.
Despite the fact that we were due multi billion pounds of investment from the EU over the following years, which we ditched for a bunch of false promises.
I Think it's you who are ignorant.
[/quoteDo you reallybelieve that those promised funding schemes would have been honoured , bearing in mind ,Covid and the War in the UK
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36258541
Well let's find out shall we why the people of Boston voted to leave the EU .
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36258541
Well let's find out shall we why the people of Boston voted to leave the EU .
will be interesting to read what people answer to that
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Here is an article ''PUBLISHED THU, NOV 28 20193:27 AM ESTUPDATED TUE, DEC 10 20195:07 AM EST'' (not my caps)
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/28/in-boston-britains-most-pro-brexit-town-voters-are-fed-up.html
and another: Sun 28 May 2023 07.00 BST
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/28/we-should-be-closer-to-europe-brexit-regrets-simmer-in-leave-voting-boston
All three article should be read to see what the problems were/perceived, if they were resolved and of course who was running the country at the time.
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Here is an article ''PUBLISHED THU, NOV 28 20193:27 AM ESTUPDATED TUE, DEC 10 20195:07 AM EST'' (not my caps)
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/28/in-boston-britains-most-pro-brexit-town-voters-are-fed-up.html
and another: Sun 28 May 2023 07.00 BST
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/28/we-should-be-closer-to-europe-brexit-regrets-simmer-in-leave-voting-boston
All three article should be read to see what the problems were/perceived, if they were resolved and of course who was running the country at the time.
Well it looks like all the major parties are in the dock for the Boston's issues and have suffered the consequences .
There are 30 council seats available and it contains no Labour councillors , one Lib Dem and only five Tories .
The article doesn't say how many seats the newly formed Boston Independence Group won but presumably it was more than the three major party's put together at a guess .
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Sounds like more toys out of the pram tyke, there was only one party in government for the whole of that period and instead of looking at the problem to see if they could help they saw it as an opportunity to divide and rule. Some are still sensitive receivers.
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Sounds like more toys out of the pram tyke, there was only one party in government for the whole of that period and instead of looking at the problem to see if they could help they saw it as an opportunity to divide and rule. Some are still sensitive receivers.
Just googled it , there are 18 seats that were won by the Boston Independence Group at the last election .
So basically they've lost faith with the Tories , have the minimum amount of faith in the Dems and have absolutely no faith in Labour to solve the town's issues .
That's basically what the result of council election is telling you .
Unless you know different of course .
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not much point in having a discussion with you tyke, you gloss over or ignore the crux of the matter to vent your spleen
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Boston elected one of the most extreme right wing Tory MPs in the country for 35 years, starting from 7 years before we even joined the EEC.
Maybe...here's a thought...maybe the people of Boston are and have been for decades, extremely right wing?
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Boston elected one of the most extreme right wing Tory MPs in the country for 35 years, starting from 7 years before we even joined the EEC.
Maybe...here's a thought...maybe the people of Boston are and have been for decades, extremely right wing?
Possibly but the former MP in question also came from an agricultural background which obviously fits that constituency .
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That's alright then. You can be semi-fascist as long as you're "one of us"?
The point is Tyke (which I'm sure you do get, because you're not thick) Boston was electing a swivel-eyed anti-EEC headbanger of a far right MP a generation before Poland and Romania even left the Warsaw Pact. Putting their Leave vote down to a reaction against recent immigration is...we'll let's say it's not going to win any Logical Conclusion awards is it?
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Have a great 2024, remainer's keep suffering and have a great suffering moaning year again, you know you like it really, its now part of your personalities.
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That's alright then. You can be semi-fascist as long as you're "one of us"?
The point is Tyke (which I'm sure you do get, because you're not thick) Boston was electing a swivel-eyed anti-EEC headbanger of a far right MP a generation before Poland and Romania even left the Warsaw Pact. Putting their Leave vote down to a reaction against recent immigration is...we'll let's say it's not going to win any Logical Conclusion awards is it?
When the constituency was created in 1997 and became Boston and Skegness it became a marginal seat .
It was never captured by Labour but it was a pretty close thing none the less for the Tories .
That suggests in my opinion that when New Labour adopted market led and neoliberalism policies the electorate in Boston were capable of voting against the Tories .
What's interesting is that from 2010 onwards the Labour vote fell off a cliff .
The New Labour years are when Boston began to experience mass migration from eastern europe which is explained in the link I provided and why they also voted in the numbers they did to leave the European Union .
Clearly they blamed New Labour and the European Union for those issues .
In my opinion this is classic economy V community , cultural change and the sheer speed of that change territory .
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Well done to every single person who voted for what they wanted and don't be bullied by people who still after all these years are bitter because you voted for something they didn't want. These same people will bang about how politics is for the establishment and a closed shop etc yet just because they didn't get what they wanted in the brexit vote they'll react nastily by making you out to be stupid, uneducated and that their vote and their opinion matters more than yours. It doesn't. Look where the educated establishment got us.
Then they'll resort to things like posting something from what looks like the guardian aka remoaners Bible with shock horror guardian remoaners aren't happy.
For me, wages up, job prospects up as unemployment levels very low, investments doing well, interest rates never going to stay low anyway. Cheers
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Yep you're right why did people listen to farage and johnson
added:
''Which media outlets do Britons trust in 2023''
''A new YouGov survey of public opinion on 32 news outlets reveals which Britons consider the most trustworthy.
The organisation that the largest number of people trust is the BBC, with 44% of Britons saying they consider it “very trustworthy” or “trustworthy”. A further 24% deem news from the Beeb to be ‘neither trustworthy nor untrustworthy’, while 21% consider BBC news to be untrustworthy.
However, the BBC is not the outlet with the highest level of ‘net trust’ – that is to say, the number of people who trust a media organisation minus the number of people who distrust it.
That honour goes to the FT, with a net score of +30: 40% of Britons trust news from the FT, compared to 10% who distrust it.
The top broadcasters all place highly in the rankings, with ITV and Channel 4 receiving similar net trust scores of +28 and +27 respectively, with the BBC on +23 and Sky +13.
The Guardian is the highest ranking non-business newspaper in terms of the highest trust figure, at 33%, while the Independent is the national with the highest net trust score (+16, slightly ahead of the Guardian’s +15).
There is generally a clear distinction between trust in the tabloids and the broadsheets. Aside from the Independent and Guardian, The Times scores +14, The i +6, and The Telegraph on ±0 – tabloids tend to have a very negative net score''
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/45744-which-media-outlets-do-britons-trust-2023
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Talk Radio is the most influential fast growing media outlet in the UK Syd, and for world news content the BBC is miles behind such as Al Jazeera and France 24.
Its old hat, set in its ways and who reads a news paper now? fetching one is a waste of shoe leather with the internet, you should know that your always posting second hand Guardian editorials on here nobody takes any notice of.
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Talk Radio is the most influential fast growing media outlet in the UK Syd, and for world news content the BBC is miles behind such as Al Jazeera and France 24.
Its old hat, set in its ways and who reads a news paper now? fetching one is a waste of shoe leather with the internet, you should know that your always posting second hand Guardian editorials on here nobody takes any notice of.
With absolutely no respect selby, if it results in the dribble you often come out with I will continue to get my news from the various outlets I choose.
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UK Radio listening figures
1
Heart FM
Heart FM
96%
58%
2
Heart 80s
Heart 80s
84%
53%
3
Capital FM
Capital FM
97%
51%
4
Heart Radio
Heart Radio
91%
49%
5
Heart Extra
Heart Extra
77%
49%
6
Absolute 80s
Absolute 80s
71%
48%
7
Smooth Radio
Smooth Radio
83%
48%
8
BBC Radio 2
BBC Radio 2
94%
48%
9
Magic FM
Magic FM
81%
48%
10
Absolute Radio
Absolute Radio
74%
44%
11
BBC Radio 1
BBC Radio 1
96%
43%
12
Classic FM
Classic FM
95%
43%
13
BBC Radio 5 live
BBC Radio 5 live
84%
41%
14
Kiss FM
Kiss FM
90%
41%
15
Magic Radio
Magic Radio
77%
40%
16
Absolute Classic Rock
Absolute Classic Rock
74%
40%
17
Virgin
Virgin
85%
39%
18
Absolute Radio 70s
Absolute Radio 70s
62%
39%
19
102.2 Smooth FM
102.2 Smooth FM
78%
38%
20
Absolute Radio 90s
Absolute Radio 90s
68%
36%
21
Smooth Extra
Smooth Extra
70%
36%
22
Virgin Radio
Virgin Radio
84%
34%
23
BBC Radio 4
BBC Radio 4
92%
31%
24
Gold (Radio station)
Gold (Radio station)
59%
30%
25
BBC Radio World Service
BBC Radio World Service
76%
30%
26
The Hits
The Hits
58%
29%
27
BBC Radio 5 Live Sports Extra
BBC Radio 5 Live Sports Extra
74%
29%
28
BBC Radio 1Xtra
BBC Radio 1Xtra
74%
27%
29
Mellow Magic
Mellow Magic
47%
27%
30
Magic Chilled
Magic Chilled
52%
26%
31
Talk Radio
Talk Radio
71%
26%
https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/entertainment/popularity/radio-stations/all
you're welcome
And here is another set of figures listed with news content the figure highlighted is the change since the previous figures.
11 Talkradio 637k 727k 690k 8.3% −5.1% 7.5
https://pressgazette.co.uk/media-audience-and-business-data/media_metrics/rajars-q3-2023-bbc-5-live-world-service/
oops had to edit that last entry from 1st to eleventh.
I think an awful lot depends on how one processes the information available.
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That is a big bite that Syd, Happy new year buddy, keep the neighbours entertained.
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Interesting that the order of those radio stations changes quite a lot when you play about with the filters.
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That is a big bite that Syd, Happy new year buddy, keep the neighbours entertained.
Oh selby you silly boy, the place is littered with those that can't admit they're wrong, you are only fooling yourself.
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The CEBR report out today Syd says that Britain is closing in on taking over Germany and has left France behind economically buddy and the fourth standing economy in the G7 overtaking Germany, France and Japan this coming year, Keep up with things son.
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You need to start drinking selby then you'd have an excuse
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Syd the drivers in the EU are having a bad time of it, bankers in Germany consider French manufacturing to be in a big downward spiral anything below the 50 mark is considered a recession, they are currently bobbing along at 42.1, and Germany in an even worse position.
I am sure you will come up with a load of guff, but it will be only wishful thinking on your behalf buddy, don't risk any of your Ausie pounds on it, but the best of luck if you do.
We are far from being out of the sticky stuff ourselves but are in better fettle than those two at the moment.
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I've no idea what the '50' you're talking about is, but it's two successive quarters of a fall in GDP that's considered a recession.
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Nobody is running the country down, just fending off your nonsense selby haven't you worked that out yet??????????????????
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Didn't know the CEBR spouted nonsense Syd, keep worrying your life away all day every day, The neighbours got a move yet?
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Didn't know the CEBR spouted nonsense Syd, keep worrying your life away all day every day, The neighbours got a move yet?
Talking about neighbours and Brexit selby, is this you in the vid?
https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1742484359502794783?s=46
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No Kato, that guy is way above my intelligence, mind you I sit near a few like that at home games.
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No Kato, that guy is way above my intelligence, mind you I sit near a few like that at home games.
You must sit near NNK then?
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Didn't know the CEBR spouted nonsense Syd, keep worrying your life away all day every day, The neighbours got a move yet?
chrrr, chrrr, Control to selby, control to selby, please explain comment #14 over
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Didn't know the CEBR spouted nonsense
https://cebr.com/reports/business-leader/
https://cebr.com/reports/city-a-m-brexit-and-pandemic-have-cost-uk-businesses-250bn-each-but-eu-departure-tally-now-rising-faster-than-covid-disruption/
https://cebr.com/reports/the-end-of-the-free-lunches/
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Syd, nobody takes any notice of your ramblings apart for the comedy content, you can't control your dribbling never mind call others in.
Are you sat in a corner in a home? imagining your winning a war.
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Gee selby I thought you liked a bit of fishin' and banter with the lads
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Sydney, my boomerang hasn’t come back yet.
I’m forever looking over my shoulder.
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By the way Syd, I can't get over the remainer's never accepting the leave vote that was much wider in the UK than made out because anyone who lived abroad and were registered to vote up to 15yrs before the referendum were entitled to vote and obviuosly the vast majority of them would vote to stay especially the large numbers in Spain, France and the other EU countries.
And for the first and only time anyone domiciled in Gibraltar who voted 98% to stay, their vote was added to the UK tally.
The leave vote overcame a referendum set up to advantage the remain vote, had leaflets distributed to every address at the governments cost begging people to vote remain, and the BBC propaganda machine broadcasting to the very last minute encouraging people to vote remain, and every top politician from the PM down supporting the remain side of the referendum.
And you say a message on the side of a bus and a second world war photograph with Farage in front of it defeated all that, and not the fact that the EU was morphing into a state of its own where the UK electorate would have no control over laws and the way they progressed as a country, then I think those who think that are thicker than I have given them credit for in the past.
And the leave side of the argument had the more polished speakers, speakers who gave the impression they cared and were not part of the EU cartel or the plum in the mouth British establishment that has always thought the working class were subservient who did themselves no good preaching to our population and actually saying they would make it difficult for us if we left appealing to our B******S to you attitude.
Anyway things world wide seem to be conspiring against the EU now we have left, their ambition of flattening our banking system has failed spectacularly, and they have long memories, and the world is a very different place with Europe in general losing their place in the world as we have done, and their condescending attitude is not going to push buttons much longer.
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By the way Syd, I can't get over the remainer's never accepting the leave vote that was much wider in the UK than made out because anyone who lived abroad and were registered to vote up to 15yrs before the referendum were entitled to vote and obviuosly the vast majority of them would vote to stay especially the large numbers in Spain, France and the other EU countries.
And for the first and only time anyone domiciled in Gibraltar who voted 98% to stay, their vote was added to the UK tally.
The leave vote overcame a referendum set up to advantage the remain vote, had leaflets distributed to every address at the governments cost begging people to vote remain, and the BBC propaganda machine broadcasting to the very last minute encouraging people to vote remain, and every top politician from the PM down supporting the remain side of the referendum.
And you say a message on the side of a bus and a second world war photograph with Farage in front of it defeated all that, and not the fact that the EU was morphing into a state of its own where the UK electorate would have no control over laws and the way they progressed as a country, then I think those who think that are thicker than I have given them credit for in the past.
And the leave side of the argument had the more polished speakers, speakers who gave the impression they cared and were not part of the EU cartel or the plum in the mouth British establishment that has always thought the working class were subservient who did themselves no good preaching to our population and actually saying they would make it difficult for us if we left appealing to our B******S to you attitude.
Anyway things world wide seem to be conspiring against the EU now we have left, their ambition of flattening our banking system has failed spectacularly, and they have long memories, and the world is a very different place with Europe in general losing their place in the world as we have done, and their condescending attitude is not going to push buttons much longer.
It certainly seems that there are some posters not mature enough to grasp that people can have a differing opinion to them unless they were lied to. Should I name names? Maybe not now, wouldn’t want to step on any toes
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We dodged a few Bullets last year as the EU heaped up more membership costs to be absorbed , mainly on the 21 st June.£50 billion Ukraine facility to cater for Ukraines modernisation,£2 billion on migration and border control,£10.5 Billion Neighbourhood and the world.£2.5 billion Solidarity and Emergency reserve.£3 billion Invest EU,£5 Billion,Innovation fund,£1.5 billion£The European Defence fund.£0.5 horizon Europe,£15 billion extra borrowing. Costs.£1.9 billion extra Brussels administration,£16 billion extra contribution from members based on their companies profits.£28 Billion Emissions trading system 2024/27
£1.5 billion Carbon border adjustment.total extra £118 Billion Source Eu Commison 21 June 2023.
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By the way Syd, I can't get over the remainer's never accepting the leave vote that was much wider in the UK than made out because anyone who lived abroad and were registered to vote up to 15yrs before the referendum were entitled to vote and obviuosly the vast majority of them would vote to stay especially the large numbers in Spain, France and the other EU countries.
And for the first and only time anyone domiciled in Gibraltar who voted 98% to stay, their vote was added to the UK tally.
The leave vote overcame a referendum set up to advantage the remain vote, had leaflets distributed to every address at the governments cost begging people to vote remain, and the BBC propaganda machine broadcasting to the very last minute encouraging people to vote remain, and every top politician from the PM down supporting the remain side of the referendum.
And you say a message on the side of a bus and a second world war photograph with Farage in front of it defeated all that, and not the fact that the EU was morphing into a state of its own where the UK electorate would have no control over laws and the way they progressed as a country, then I think those who think that are thicker than I have given them credit for in the past.
And the leave side of the argument had the more polished speakers, speakers who gave the impression they cared and were not part of the EU cartel or the plum in the mouth British establishment that has always thought the working class were subservient who did themselves no good preaching to our population and actually saying they would make it difficult for us if we left appealing to our B******S to you attitude.
Anyway things world wide seem to be conspiring against the EU now we have left, their ambition of flattening our banking system has failed spectacularly, and they have long memories, and the world is a very different place with Europe in general losing their place in the world as we have done, and their condescending attitude is not going to push buttons much longer.
It certainly seems that there are some posters not mature enough to grasp that people can have a differing opinion to them unless they were lied to. Should I name names? Maybe not now, wouldn’t want to step on any toes
Well you are making unproven accusations and allegations that you haven't backed up with facts. Which is unlike you but par for the course for Brexit and Brexit supporters faced with evidence they don't like since 2016.
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By the way Syd, I can't get over the remainer's never accepting the leave vote that was much wider in the UK than made out because anyone who lived abroad and were registered to vote up to 15yrs before the referendum were entitled to vote and obviuosly the vast majority of them would vote to stay especially the large numbers in Spain, France and the other EU countries.
And for the first and only time anyone domiciled in Gibraltar who voted 98% to stay, their vote was added to the UK tally.
The leave vote overcame a referendum set up to advantage the remain vote, had leaflets distributed to every address at the governments cost begging people to vote remain, and the BBC propaganda machine broadcasting to the very last minute encouraging people to vote remain, and every top politician from the PM down supporting the remain side of the referendum.
And you say a message on the side of a bus and a second world war photograph with Farage in front of it defeated all that, and not the fact that the EU was morphing into a state of its own where the UK electorate would have no control over laws and the way they progressed as a country, then I think those who think that are thicker than I have given them credit for in the past.
And the leave side of the argument had the more polished speakers, speakers who gave the impression they cared and were not part of the EU cartel or the plum in the mouth British establishment that has always thought the working class were subservient who did themselves no good preaching to our population and actually saying they would make it difficult for us if we left appealing to our B******S to you attitude.
Anyway things world wide seem to be conspiring against the EU now we have left, their ambition of flattening our banking system has failed spectacularly, and they have long memories, and the world is a very different place with Europe in general losing their place in the world as we have done, and their condescending attitude is not going to push buttons much longer.
Well done Selby.
You and Dominic Cummings.
By their friends shall ye know them.
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I said at the time that brexit should not be judged in the short term.
The true benefits (or not) should be judged over the same amount of time that it took the uk to be ensconced in the EU machine. Decades.
Signs are, that EU scepticism is gaining traction across the major players in Europe. The whole mechanism is unravelling. Germany on the verge of recession. French right wing politics coming to the fore. Italian right wing politics the same .Poland anti EU rhetoric becoming more evident. Europeans, across the board sick of huge scale immigration.
It’s only going one way.
The house of cards will collapse in time.
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I find it fascinating the way people over on the right wing fringes actively want the EU to fail. It's like they have absolutely zero comprehension of history or geopolitics, or of the fact that the zero sum approach to international economics was understood to be b*llocks 200 years ago. They think it's all something that will happen to Them while We sail on. If They lose, We win.
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It's politics/economics/humanity even, viewed through a football kaleidoscope, it's all about winning and losing.
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I find it fascinating the way people over on the right wing fringes actively want the EU to fail. It's like they have absolutely zero comprehension of history or geopolitics, or of the fact that the zero sum approach to international economics was understood to be b*llocks 200 years ago. They think it's all something that will happen to Them while We sail on. If They lose, We win.
Interesting post.
Globalisation is beneficial to everyone but also inevitable in the technological age.
Any system in this world creates problems, we will never move in a perfect world.
But that doesn’t mean that the problems of today need to be solved by going backwards and throwing the baby out with the bath water.
We aren’t exactly a trailblazing example to inspire a wave of EU departures.
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Billy, probably something to do with the EU leaders and the Quislings in this country including Starmer openly getting together to undermine a democratic vote, openly stating they were going to bring in measures to punish us, were going to wreck our financial services industry openly trying to entice them to Paris and Germany (that went well) , people like yourself and Syd making out people who didn't vote the way you wanted them to are thick and openly saying so. And after seven years being degenerate to other posters and coming across as tiresome pricks.
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and yet selby, it sounds like you're the really bitter one, aye?
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Selby have a look at How they Broke Britain by James O'Brien especially the chapters on Murdoch and Dacre
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Billy, probably something to do with the EU leaders and the Quislings in this country including Starmer openly getting together to undermine a democratic vote, openly stating they were going to bring in measures to punish us, were going to wreck our financial services industry openly trying to entice them to Paris and Germany (that went well) , people like yourself and Syd making out people who didn't vote the way you wanted them to are thick and openly saying so. And after seven years being degenerate to other posters and coming across as tiresome pricks.
Churchill once said the best argument against democracy was a 5 minute chat with the average voter. I suspect he was thinking of you. A head poisoned by far right bile and impervious to seeing anything else.
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Billy, probably something to do with the EU leaders and the Quislings in this country including Starmer openly getting together to undermine a democratic vote, openly stating they were going to bring in measures to punish us, were going to wreck our financial services industry openly trying to entice them to Paris and Germany (that went well) , people like yourself and Syd making out people who didn't vote the way you wanted them to are thick and openly saying so. And after seven years being degenerate to other posters and coming across as tiresome pricks.
Churchill once said the best argument against democracy was a 5 minute chat with the average voter. I suspect he was thinking of you. A head poisoned by far right bile and impervious to seeing anything else.
If you think that’s a true reflection of the average voter (not Selby, your description of him), then there lies the problem with your view of the people of this country.
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Belton.
I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.
But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.
THE most important vote in half a century.
A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.
And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.
If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would.
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Belton.
I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.
But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.
THE most important vote in half a century.
A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.
And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.
If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would.
Of course it gives me pause for thought. But it doesn’t make me think that the average voter is someone who has been ‘poisoned by far right bile and impervious to anything else’. That’s your opinion, not Churchill’s. He didn’t say that.
I consider myself an ‘average voter’.
I agree that democracy is flawed, but my views on it are not nearly as extreme as yours are.
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Belton.
I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.
But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.
THE most important vote in half a century.
A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.
And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.
If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would.
Of course it gives me pause for thought. But it doesn’t make me think that the average voter is someone who has been ‘poisoned by far right bile and impervious to anything else’. That’s your opinion, not Churchill’s. He didn’t say that.
I consider myself an ‘average voter’.
I agree that democracy is flawed, but my views on it are not nearly as extreme as yours are.
OK, for clarity, I was saying specifically that Selby is poisoned by far right bile. And yes, I see how it might come across that was meant to reflect my opinion of the average voter. It doesn't. It was poorly phrased by me.
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and yet selby, it sounds like you're the really bitter one, aye?
This thread is only for people who have a Vote, not for Whinging Ozzie Pomms!
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Belton.
I'm simply saying what the greatest leader our country ever had said.
But, since you ask, do you remember the opinion poll in the week of the Brexit vote, where half the respondents said they believed we DID give £350m/week to the EU.
THE most important vote in half a century.
A lie that had been thoroughly and totally debunked.
And half the population were so unwilling or unable to engage with basic facts that they believed the lie to be true.
If that doesn't give you pause for thought on the limitations of democracy, I'm not sure what would.
Of course it gives me pause for thought. But it doesn’t make me think that the average voter is someone who has been ‘poisoned by far right bile and impervious to anything else’. That’s your opinion, not Churchill’s. He didn’t say that.
I consider myself an ‘average voter’.
I agree that democracy is flawed, but my views on it are not nearly as extreme as yours are.
OK, for clarity, I was saying specifically that Selby is poisoned by far right bile. And yes, I see how it might come across that was meant to reflect my opinion of the average voter. It doesn't. It was poorly phrased by me.
How can a person who spouts anti Right wing bile such as yourself admire Winston Churchill!
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Only thing that has has poisoned me is reading the same winging clap trap, and reading your constant denigration of any poster that disagrees with you, and your constant wish to overturn a democratic vote by the people of this country.
Think yourself lucky you live in these times, in years gone by you would have been hung drawn and quartered.
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Here's another example a bit off topic but not too far away from the crux of what is being discussed.
''More than a third of US adults say Biden’s 2020 victory was not legitimate
New poll finds just 62% believe Biden’s election win over Donald Trump was fair – down from 69% in December 2021''
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/02/poll-biden-2020-election-illegitimate
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Only thing that has has poisoned me is reading the same winging clap trap, and reading your constant denigration of any poster that disagrees with you, and your constant wish to overturn a democratic vote by the people of this country.
Think yourself lucky you live in these times, in years gone by you would have been hung drawn and quartered.
Goodness, is it that time already.
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Well to answer both sides I voted leave purely because I didn’t want to be part of a federal Europe.
Has Brexit given me anything like I envisaged? Definitely not.
Would I have voted differently if I could have envisaged the sh***how that took place? Certainly.
Some leavers wanted out whatever the cost. I expected a civilised, mature negotiation. More fool me.
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Well to answer both sides I voted leave purely because I didn’t want to be part of a federal Europe.
Has Brexit given me anything like I envisaged? Definitely not.
Would I have voted differently if I could have envisaged the sh***how that took place. Certainly.
Some leavers wanted out whatever the cost. I expected a civilised, mature negotiation. More fool me.
This is exactly me, given the chance now I would vote to rejoin, and in a democracy we are allowed to change our minds
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Bang on Filo.
The irony of boneheaded Leavers screaming "antidemocratic" at people who merely wanted a vote to confirm that a type of Brexit that had never been discussed in 2016, but that was then imposed on us by a far right cabal and a liar, was actually what the country wanted.
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Take Jacob here.
Jacob clearly didn't know what he was voting for when he voted Leave in 2016.
https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1743242910533865506
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I voted stay in, partly because I thought something like has happened would, mostly to stop the big hit I took that night on investments, I would vote stay out now, mostly to protect investments and the fact we would not go back on anywhere like the old terms and would be really skanked.
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It would be more convincing if you could show us where you said that selby
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I, too, regret the position we are in now, despite voting leave. But I don’t regret voting leave, if that makes sense.
What really, really irks me are the bitter remainers who tar everyone with the same racist, bigoted, gullible, thick kitson brush (there are quite a few on here who do that.
If there is another vote in my lifetime, I will have this experience to help me choose. Having said that, if there was a vote tomorrow, I would vote to rejoin. I may not feel the same way though in 20 years time.
I just wish the bitter ones amongst us would accept the democratic decision and move on.
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You may be confusing those whom wish to counter the few that desperately cling to the lifeboat named 'brexit was good' and you may not be of course. Although the numbers of those refusing to accept reality are dwindling.
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I, too, regret the position we are in now, despite voting leave. But I don’t regret voting leave, if that makes sense.
What really, really irks me are the bitter remainers who tar everyone with the same racist, bigoted, gullible, thick kitson brush (there are quite a few on here who do that.
If there is another vote in my lifetime, I will have this experience to help me choose. Having said that, if there was a vote tomorrow, I would vote to rejoin. I may not feel the same way though in 20 years time.
I just wish the bitter ones amongst us would accept the democratic decision and move on.
I have regularly said on here that I voted remain and was very saddened when the vote turned out as it did.
However, I can accept the outcome of the vote and move on, unlike many people on here who seem too bitter to be able to do the same.
Moaning about it won’t change anything.
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I, too, regret the position we are in now, despite voting leave. But I don’t regret voting leave, if that makes sense.
What really, really irks me are the bitter remainers who tar everyone with the same racist, bigoted, gullible, thick kitson brush (there are quite a few on here who do that.
If there is another vote in my lifetime, I will have this experience to help me choose. Having said that, if there was a vote tomorrow, I would vote to rejoin. I may not feel the same way though in 20 years time.
I just wish the bitter ones amongst us would accept the democratic decision and move on.
I’m not bitter belton, just very disappointed that what we expected never materialised.
I would also be interested to know how the fortunes of Farage, Rees Mogg etc. who were staunch Brexiteers fared compared to the average British voter.
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I don't have to show you or anyone else anything Syd, and I always take what you say as the truth you believe although I think it is a subject that has absolutely nothing to do with you and clap trap.
Often think you really miss living in old blighty as it looks from outside you don't have much affinity with Australia and visualise you like the character Lonely in the TV series Callan, he stank.
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As I said earlier selby, you appear to be the bitter one
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I, too, regret the position we are in now, despite voting leave. But I don’t regret voting leave, if that makes sense.
What really, really irks me are the bitter remainers who tar everyone with the same racist, bigoted, gullible, thick kitson brush (there are quite a few on here who do that.
If there is another vote in my lifetime, I will have this experience to help me choose. Having said that, if there was a vote tomorrow, I would vote to rejoin. I may not feel the same way though in 20 years time.
I just wish the bitter ones amongst us would accept the democratic decision and move on.
I’m not bitter Bolton, just very disappointed that what we expected never materialised.
I would also be interested to know how the fortunes of Farage, Rees Mogg etc. who were staunch Brexiteers fared compared to the average British voter.
I sense that from your posts. Of course there are remainers who have accepted the result, it’s time for the rest to catch up.
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You may be confusing those whom wish to counter the few that desperately cling to the lifeboat named 'brexit was good' and you may not be of course. Although the numbers of those refusing to accept reality are dwindling.
That’s a fair point, but I don’t think I am.
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Point is Belton, many of us ARE getting on with it. The ones who are treating Leave supporters as stupid, and still keeping the Brexit fight going are the likes of Rees Mogg in that tweet I posted.
He knows damn well that we DID have entirely free trade with Europe before he, Gove, Johnson and Farage took the country down the garden path. Now, 8 years on, he's still trying to deceive Leave supporters that all the woes of Brexit are due to the attitudes of the damn foreigners. He can only be assuming that the Leave supporters are too thick to see what he is doing.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/07/germany-mass-strikes-far-right-afd
Yet another Brexit Benefit!
German farmers blockade the country and prevent the Green Party Leader Huber from getting off his Ferry after he tried to return from his Jollies, the Greens and CDU are attempting to do away with Diesel fuel subsidies for farmers in an attempt to fund a €60 Billion budget shortfall!.
Also the Twit Haber won’t be able to travel back home by train as they are also on Strike for a week over Pay and conditions.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/05/ukrainian-lorry-drivers-facing-polish-blockades-medyka
Another BULLET dodged ! Get ready for the Poles causing some real grief, we rebuilt their country for them and now they think they are a Superpower, confirmed the government hint look at the Map of Poland in 1939!
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a41020305/poland-becoming-tank-superpower/
https://www.economist.com/europe/2013/08/17/flexing-its-muscles
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/05/ukrainian-lorry-drivers-facing-polish-blockades-medyka
Another BULLET dodged ! Get ready for the Poles causing some real grief, we rebuilt their country for them and now they think they are a Superpoer, confirmed the government hint look at the Map of Poland in 1939!
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a41020305/poland-becoming-tank-superpower/
https://www.economist.com/europe/2013/08/17/flexing-its-muscles
The shape of Britain may have been a tad different if the Polish pilots hadn't helped during the Battle of Britain ..........
And speaking of rebuilding .......
''The Polish Resettlement Bill was drawn up in 1946 and the Act was passed in 1947. It was the first ever mass immigration legislation passed by Parliament in Britain and allowed over 200,000 Poles to remain in the United Kingdom''
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/commonwealth-migration-since-1945/#:~:text=The%20Polish%20Resettlement%20Bill%20was,remain%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom.
The world has changed somewhat sprot.
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Get your Valentines flower order in early
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2cc79cd6-0ee5-4c34-b015-3f79ae1304e3?shareToken=4267471a1a32207536f62a11ad927851
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Get your Valentines flower order in early
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2cc79cd6-0ee5-4c34-b015-3f79ae1304e3?shareToken=4267471a1a32207536f62a11ad927851
Thanks for that Kato. I’ll send Mrs Belton the link when she asks where her flowers are.
You’ve saved me a fortune!
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/05/ukrainian-lorry-drivers-facing-polish-blockades-medyka
Another BULLET dodged ! Get ready for the Poles causing some real grief, we rebuilt their country for them and now they think they are a Superpoer, confirmed the government hint look at the Map of Poland in 1939!
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a41020305/poland-becoming-tank-superpower/
https://www.economist.com/europe/2013/08/17/flexing-its-muscles
The shape of Britain may have been a tad different if the Polish pilots hadn't helped during the Battle of Britain ..........
And speaking of rebuilding .......
''The Polish Resettlement Bill was drawn up in 1946 and the Act was passed in 1947. It was the first ever mass immigration legislation passed by Parliament in Britain and allowed over 200,000 Poles to remain in the United Kingdom''
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/commonwealth-migration-since-1945/#:~:text=The%20Polish%20Resettlement%20Bill%20was,remain%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom.
The world has changed somewhat sprot.
It has Syd and we now have them ‘Sabre Rattling’ in Easter Europe, they have re built with massive grants from the EU and now seem to think they can reclaim their 16th Century Eastern empire!
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The article is behind a paywall sprot
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I m managed to open both Syd if you google the article you get 3/4 versions back from various news sources who seem to have plagiarised each others article, unless it’s an independent selling to all after tweaking the article slightly
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Yes sproty, it all opens up fine for me too.
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https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/farmers-blockade-berlin-with-tractors-over-subsidy-row/ar-AA1mCESt
German farmers to carry out 8 Days of Blockades
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I m managed to open both Syd if you google the article you get 3/4 versions back from various news sources who seem to have plagiarised each others article, unless it’s an independent selling to all after tweaking the article slightly
ON A bluff close to the River Vistula in Warsaw stands Poland’s military museum. A collection of tanks, aircraft and artillery pieces pays tribute to a history of martial valour marked by glory and the trauma of existential defeat. The fact that predatory neighbours twice crushed the life out of Poland, and that its allies had no means to help, has left ineradicable scars. Although firmly embedded in NATO since 1999 and a member of the EU for almost a decade, Poland does not believe in letting down its guard.
Having weathered the past five years better than most—the economy has grown by a fifth since 2009—and imposed tight spending limits on most departments, the centre-right government of Donald Tusk, re-elected in 2011, has made modernising the armed forces a priority. This year’s defence budget of $9.5 billion has grown by 7% over 2012, bringing Poland close to the 2%-of-GDP target that all NATO members are supposed to meet, but very few do.
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Oh dear, farmers blockading Brussels city centre , Madrid and Macron getting hazed at the French Farmers show! Brexit… it’s just so good!
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Oh dear, farmers blockading Brussels city centre , Madrid and Macrib getting hazed at the French Farmers show! Brexit… it’s just so good!
Mmmm. Our farmers aren't exactly thrilled about the UK alternative.
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I m managed to open both Syd if you google the article you get 3/4 versions back from various news sources who seem to have plagiarised each others article, unless it’s an independent selling to all after tweaking the article slightly
ON A bluff close to the River Vistula in Warsaw stands Poland’s military museum. A collection of tanks, aircraft and artillery pieces pays tribute to a history of martial valour marked by glory and the trauma of existential defeat. The fact that predatory neighbours twice crushed the life out of Poland, and that its allies had no means to help, has left ineradicable scars. Although firmly embedded in NATO since 1999 and a member of the EU for almost a decade, Poland does not believe in letting down its guard.
Having weathered the past five years better than most—the economy has grown by a fifth since 2009—and imposed tight spending limits on most departments, the centre-right government of Donald Tusk, re-elected in 2011, has made modernising the armed forces a priority. This year’s defence budget of $9.5 billion has grown by 7% over 2012, bringing Poland close to the 2%-of-GDP target that all NATO members are supposed to meet, but very few do.
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Another Bullet dodged Syd EU donating 130 billion to Euros to Poland, they are basic subsidising Polands massive defence Spending spree.We were the second largest contributor to the Eu, only Germany,France and the Netherlands are net contributors, that at least €20 billion we won’t be paying or 20 Hospitals! It just gets better!
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/02/23/brussels-to-unblock-137-billion-in-eu-funds-for-poland-as-soon-as-next-week
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All the money spent now will seem like chicken feed if russia overcomes Ukraine sproty.
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All the money spent now will seem like chicken feed if russia overcomes Ukraine sproty.
If the likes of Germany etc had put their shoulders to the cart instead of underfunding their military for 15/20 years, we wouldn’t be in this position,
The Poles after being heavily funded for 20 odd years now see themselves as the strongmen of the EU unfortunately they have a lot of scores to settle to their East, as I said in a previous thread look at a map of Poland in 1939!
It is not in their psyche to keep their noses out, the EU has a loose cannon!
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All the money spent now will seem like chicken feed if russia overcomes Ukraine sproty.
If the likes of Germany etc had put their shoulders to the cart instead of underfunding their military for 15/20 years, we wouldn’t be in this position,
The Poles after being heavily funded for 20 odd years now see themselves as the strongmen of the EU unfortunately they have a lot of scores to settle to their East, as I said in a previous thread look at a map of Poland in 1939!
It is not in their psyche to keep their noses out, the EU has a loose cannon!
Looks like you are trying to find some random facts to suit your argument sprot, look at what I wrote
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Another bullet dodged today as Polish Farmers violently protest outside Polish Parliament targeting Donald Tusk and the EU Green policies, impoverishing them!
https://youtu.be/EbfYnvfrk4s