Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: donnyguy on January 03, 2024, 05:06:02 pm
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Monday 8th January at the Eco Power
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Monday 8th January at the Eco Power
More news here;
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2024/january/meet-the-owners-announcement/
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Monday 8th January at the Eco Power
Just a reminder about this.
More news here;
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2024/january/meet-the-owners-announcement/
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Anyone know which car park I can use please? I don't normally park at the stadium.
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Anyone know which car park I can use please? I don't normally park at the stadium.
car park 2
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Looking forward to updates from you guys.
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What answers to questions if are you hoping to discover or have yourself . Imo though I think it’s good thing that time is given over the supporters , But i have never found out anything that wasn’t already preordaining!!
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What happens after TB is no longer around is my major concern.
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Is there a link with the updates?
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Not seen anything from the Club, FP or VSC.
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Only saw photos from the start of the meeting on clubs X feed but no updates since.
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Very poor from the media department!
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Free Press seem to have jibbed us off.
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Very poor from the media department!
And the vsc!
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Very poor from the media department!
And the vsc!
Perhaps the VSC folk have work and like me couldn’t make the 6:30pm start
The media department? Well it’s their job isn’t it?
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Very poor from the media department!
And the vsc!
Perhaps the VSC folk have work and like me couldn’t make the 6:30pm start
The media department? Well it’s their job isn’t it?
Very poor effort on both counts .
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Very poor from the media department!
And the vsc!
Why?
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The full meeting will be loaded up over next day or so
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Very poor from the media department!
And the vsc!
Perhaps the VSC folk have work and like me couldn’t make the 6:30pm start
The media department? Well it’s their job isn’t it?
Very poor effort on both counts .
Not on the VSC’s part seeing as we are all volunteers and work, you could have gone yourself
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Very poor from the media department!
And the vsc!
Why?
I’ve been away for the weekend so impossible for me to report back.
But it’s not the VSC’s responsibility for club media, nor any of the supporter organisations.
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The full meeting will be loaded up over next day or so
Not good enough really is it?
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Don’t see the problem really
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The full meeting will be loaded up over next day or so
Not good enough really is it?
Just a bit tin pot isn’t it. Perfect platform for promotion, to pump positivity and sell optimism. Someone is operating the Twitter account, why not just live tweet?
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Very poor from the media department!
And the vsc!
Perhaps the VSC folk have work and like me couldn’t make the 6:30pm start
The media department? Well it’s their job isn’t it?
Very poor effort on both counts .
I thought you would have your television on not making your usual interesting comments on here
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Very poor from the media department!
And the vsc!
Why?
I’ve been away for the weekend so impossible for me to report back.
But it’s not the VSC’s responsibility for club media, nor any of the supporter organisations.
Surprising how a supporters cooperative who hold shares in the club don't see it as their responsibility to update fans on a meet the owners event. :rolleyes: especially given the clubs not bothered.
Like I said, poor on both counts
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Very poor from the media department!
And the vsc!
Why?
I’ve been away for the weekend so impossible for me to report back.
But it’s not the VSC’s responsibility for club media, nor any of the supporter organisations.
Surprising how a supporters cooperative who hold shares in the club don't see it as their responsibility to update fans on a meet the owners event. :rolleyes: especially given the clubs not bothered.
Like I said, poor on both counts
As already stated we have lives and aren’t always able to attend events, what’s your excuse?
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Very poor from the media department!
And the vsc!
Why?
I’ve been away for the weekend so impossible for me to report back.
But it’s not the VSC’s responsibility for club media, nor any of the supporter organisations.
Surprising how a supporters cooperative who hold shares in the club don't see it as their responsibility to update fans on a meet the owners event. :rolleyes: especially given the clubs not bothered.
Like I said, poor on both counts
It isn't the vsc's responsibility. If you have any beef about the live coverage of the event, then contact the media dept at the club.
If the VSC had said, they were going to cover it, then didn't, you might have a point.
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Ok Terry explained he had more time to invest in Rovers now he’s not High Sheriff. Told Blunt he wanted more involved and DB said fill your boots there is a meeting with GB and Grant. TB went to this and agreed budget. DB still as it stands a shareholder. TB not looking for investors at the minute as he wants the team to be more successful to give a bigger pool of potential buyers. Buyers must be Rovers fans or willing to put the club/community first.
Biggest mistake over last few seasons has been investment into playing side GB answered honestly.
Grant gave an insight into improvements on recruitment and the medical side.
Most of injuries trauma related but trend analysis ongoing.
Should be a player signing tomorrow.
Question about fans standing at away games - emphasis is on the home club, there will be Rovers Stewards helping out at Bradford.
Away hospitality to be included in points system
GB touched on the spend needed on the ground maintenance and cleaning, recently needed new boilers and floodlight back up.
Question about why we weren’t spending millions on players like we did in Championship
Squad to be trimmed as too big wasting over £0.5m on injured players
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Social media output from both the club and Free Press seems to have dropped off a cliff.
Even as far back as 10 years ago we had more live updates covering matches and events like this than we get now.
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Overall honest and frank answers
Bit of a presentation re Foundation and how it has impacted 3 people
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All to follow on YouTube. I didn’t stay until end but highlights for me
- Grant hasn’t given up on play offs
- another poss loan tomorrow (midfielder as missing Zain) and would like another striker
- 8 players out of contract in summer and club has option on a couple more- no numbers given but implied a few would be released
- Terry is really positive- he took on chairman role because he can now dedicate the time needed. He is not looking for a fellow investor, he wants to get performance on the pitch sorted and then the club will be much more attractive when it comes time to sell
- think current budget is top half of League 2
- biggest reason for our demise? Gavin said player budget- now recognise that sustainability has to be balanced with performance on pitch
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Anything you think can enhance the match day experience - feel free to contact the club
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Only top half league 2 budget after significant investment.
Frightening to think what it must have been last year then.
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All to follow on YouTube. I didn’t stay until end but highlights for me
- Grant hasn’t given up on play offs
- another poss loan tomorrow (midfielder as missing Zain) and would like another striker
- 8 players out of contract in summer and club has option on a couple more- no numbers given but implied a few would be released
- Terry is really positive- he took on chairman role because he can now dedicate the time needed. He is not looking for a fellow investor, he wants to get performance on the pitch sorted and then the club will be much more attractive when it comes time to sell
- think current budget is top half of League 2
- biggest reason for our demise? Gavin said player budget- now recognise that sustainability has to be balanced with performance on pitch
He went a bit further than saying possible signing, actually signing a calm midfielder tomorrow.
We have experienced players but need more pace and legs
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Only top half league 2 budget after significant investment.
Frightening to think what it must have been last year then.
It’s all relative could be much more spending/budget in the league this year. Big plus was GB admittedthe budget had been wrong
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Only top half league 2 budget after significant investment.
Frightening to think what it must have been last year then.
It’s all relative could be much more spending/budget in the league this year. Big plus was GB admittedthe budget had been wrong
That’s interesting and very different to what we’ve heard over the past couple of years. One of my biggest gripes with the way the club has been run recently is what’s appeared to be a complete lack of accountability or even denial so it’s refreshing to hear that. Accepting that mistakes have been made is the first step to actually rectifying them.
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Don’t see how with the size of our squad it’s only top half. Must be play off budget then a sizeable chunk wasted on the likes of Lavery, Griffths, Taylor, Long, Seaman, Ravenhill etc which makes it only top half.
We were supposed to have a really good income from none football which was high even for L1. Doesn’t quite add up with decent attendances for this level to only top half imo.
Good that TB sees there’s a need to speculate a bit before the club is realistically going to interest anyone else. Before we can be competitive and somewhat self sustaining we need to have the starting blocks of a talented squad. Just hope whoever makes the recruitment/contract decisions knows what they are doing.
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Laughable that we go season after season of cutting and then when we are flirting with relegation to the non league then say they realise it’s the wrong strategy?
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All to follow on YouTube. I didn’t stay until end but highlights for me
- Grant hasn’t given up on play offs
- another poss loan tomorrow (midfielder as missing Zain) and would like another striker
- 8 players out of contract in summer and club has option on a couple more- no numbers given but implied a few would be released
- Terry is really positive- he took on chairman role because he can now dedicate the time needed. He is not looking for a fellow investor, he wants to get performance on the pitch sorted and then the club will be much more attractive when it comes time to sell
- think current budget is top half of League 2
- biggest reason for our demise? Gavin said player budget- now recognise that sustainability has to be balanced with performance on pitch
He went a bit further than saying possible signing, actually signing a calm midfielder tomorrow.
We have experienced players but need more pace and legs
Did he clarify a loan or can we hold out any hope for permanent?
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All to follow on YouTube. I didn’t stay until end but highlights for me
- Grant hasn’t given up on play offs
- another poss loan tomorrow (midfielder as missing Zain) and would like another striker
- 8 players out of contract in summer and club has option on a couple more- no numbers given but implied a few would be released
- Terry is really positive- he took on chairman role because he can now dedicate the time needed. He is not looking for a fellow investor, he wants to get performance on the pitch sorted and then the club will be much more attractive when it comes time to sell
- think current budget is top half of League 2
- biggest reason for our demise? Gavin said player budget- now recognise that sustainability has to be balanced with performance on pitch
He went a bit further than saying possible signing, actually signing a calm midfielder tomorrow.
We have experienced players but need more pace and legs
Did he clarify a loan or can we hold out any hope for permanent?
Matthew Craig on loan from Spurs apparently.
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From what I can remember:
Bramall mentioned how he took the role of chairman but also said that at this current time Blunt is still part of the board and is still a shareholder.
McCann has changed the whole recruitment process and is much better than before in regards of medicals and scouting of a player etc. He said the investigation has been held but we won’t see the change until the summer maybe a bit later.
He has also said he’s happy with the experience we have in the squad and actually wants more legs (younger players) but knows they will make mistakes as they are learning.
New midfield signing coming in tomorrow aswell according to Grant, described it as being an exciting one. Can play as one of the 8s but also competition with Close in the deeper role. Also wants another 9/Wide forward.
McCann will start to look at contracts in Feb after the transfers are sorted and we have options on 6 players. Apparently Close and Molyneux are top of his list to get tied down.
A lad I know spoke to McCann after and Whiteman came into the conversation, McCann said wait until u see what Broadbent brings to the club. Sounds promising.
Bramall said the budget is currently top half but have one of the biggest squads so need to trim the squad, Grant plans on offloading 1 or 2 this month. There’s also 4/5 teams that are spending mad money for league 2. Hopefully next season it will be like we’ve got a bigger budget if we get rid of the deadwood and make it quality over quantity.
The idiot telling Baldwin to stop fans standing up at the back of the stand tho, wow. Said he bought his Notts county ticket for the back row but couldn’t sit down because of ppl standing up infront of him and said the SLO should kick them all out. If u want to sit down go to the front
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- We have the 7th largest attendances in the league (despite watching losing football for 3 years straight by the way).
- Club Doncaster adds significant extra funds to the budget that wouldn't otherwise be available.
- Bramall invests significant extra funds to the playing budget.
How can all these things be true while only being able to say we have a top half budget? It doesn't add up.
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Unless Broadbent is physically bringing Ben Whiteman to the club, I don’t see any relationship between that statement from McCann and what we have seen as yet on the pitch.
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- We have the 7th largest attendances in the league (despite watching losing football for 3 years straight by the way).
- Club Doncaster adds significant extra funds to the budget that wouldn't otherwise be available.
- Bramall invests significant extra funds to the playing budget.
How can all these things be true while only being able to say we have a top half budget? It doesn't add up.
Last seasons budget was 14th if I remember correctly, so not sure how Bramall's significant funds have only slightly moved us up the pecking order.
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All to follow on YouTube. I didn’t stay until end but highlights for me
- Grant hasn’t given up on play offs
- another poss loan tomorrow (midfielder as missing Zain) and would like another striker
- 8 players out of contract in summer and club has option on a couple more- no numbers given but implied a few would be released
- Terry is really positive- he took on chairman role because he can now dedicate the time needed. He is not looking for a fellow investor, he wants to get performance on the pitch sorted and then the club will be much more attractive when it comes time to sell
- think current budget is top half of League 2
- biggest reason for our demise? Gavin said player budget- now recognise that sustainability has to be balanced with performance on pitch
He went a bit further than saying possible signing, actually signing a calm midfielder tomorrow.
We have experienced players but need more pace and legs
Did he clarify a loan or can we hold out any hope for permanent?
Matthew Craig on loan from Spurs apparently.
Another inexperienced and untested kid on loan ?
Hardly screams ambition or long term planning.
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- We have the 7th largest attendances in the league (despite watching losing football for 3 years straight by the way).
- Club Doncaster adds significant extra funds to the budget that wouldn't otherwise be available.
- Bramall invests significant extra funds to the playing budget.
How can all these things be true while only being able to say we have a top half budget? It doesn't add up.
Last seasons budget was 14th if I remember correctly, so not sure how Bramall's significant funds have only slightly moved us up the pecking order.
I don't trust them 1 bit, the clubs a shambles and we'll be non league soon
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It all sounds good and has done since the sacking of Schofield. This season sounded extremely promising and I think we all expected teething problems along the way with a new squad but, we sit 19th after 26 games. I don't think it is realistic to keep saying all these encouraging things and expect supporters to keep trusting the process. The next 20 games has to be promotion/ playoff form to finish the season strong to keep hopes alive.
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- We have the 7th largest attendances in the league (despite watching losing football for 3 years straight by the way).
- Club Doncaster adds significant extra funds to the budget that wouldn't otherwise be available.
- Bramall invests significant extra funds to the playing budget.
How can all these things be true while only being able to say we have a top half budget? It doesn't add up.
Last seasons budget was 14th if I remember correctly, so not sure how Bramall's significant funds have only slightly moved us up the pecking order.
Which two teams got promoted out of the National League last season ?
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You mean Like Ryan mason, ben whiteman, herbie Kane, Taylor Richards, etc etc
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All to follow on YouTube. I didn’t stay until end but highlights for me
- Grant hasn’t given up on play offs
- another poss loan tomorrow (midfielder as missing Zain) and would like another striker
- 8 players out of contract in summer and club has option on a couple more- no numbers given but implied a few would be released
- Terry is really positive- he took on chairman role because he can now dedicate the time needed. He is not looking for a fellow investor, he wants to get performance on the pitch sorted and then the club will be much more attractive when it comes time to sell
- think current budget is top half of League 2
- biggest reason for our demise? Gavin said player budget- now recognise that sustainability has to be balanced with performance on pitch
He went a bit further than saying possible signing, actually signing a calm midfielder tomorrow.
We have experienced players but need more pace and legs
Did he clarify a loan or can we hold out any hope for permanent?
Matthew Craig on loan from Spurs apparently.
Another inexperienced and untested kid on loan ?
Hardly screams ambition or long term planning.
Could also be a Herbie Kane or Josh Sims type until the end of the season, many wouldn’t complain then. Long term planning in January never seems a good idea, but to fill holes because of injuries, a loan could be a better option than a permanent.
To add to what was said at the meeting too:
McCann said if a club want X player to play a certain amount of games whilst on loan he wouldn’t want to sign them.
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- We have the 7th largest attendances in the league (despite watching losing football for 3 years straight by the way).
- Club Doncaster adds significant extra funds to the budget that wouldn't otherwise be available.
- Bramall invests significant extra funds to the playing budget.
How can all these things be true while only being able to say we have a top half budget? It doesn't add up.
Last seasons budget was 14th if I remember correctly, so not sure how Bramall's significant funds have only slightly moved us up the pecking order.
I don't trust them 1 bit, the clubs a shambles and we'll be non league soon
The same answer as before, which two teams got promoted from the National League last season ? If you don’t know they are the teams along with Stockport, some of their players are getting absolute mega wages for this league, more a month than most of us earn a year.
You think this club is a shambles, which is a bit harsh to say the least, but you know best so we’ve all been told
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- We have the 7th largest attendances in the league (despite watching losing football for 3 years straight by the way).
- Club Doncaster adds significant extra funds to the budget that wouldn't otherwise be available.
- Bramall invests significant extra funds to the playing budget.
How can all these things be true while only being able to say we have a top half budget? It doesn't add up.
Last seasons budget was 14th if I remember correctly, so not sure how Bramall's significant funds have only slightly moved us up the pecking order.
Which two teams got promoted out of the National League last season ?
Irrelevant, we're still below 11 teams we should realistically be above.
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That’s the word “realistically “ but we’re not, the 3-1 defeat on Saturday flattered Harrogate, we don’t seem to be having much luck, yes I know teams make their luck.
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I think the bigger question is how the flip did we end up with the 14th largest budget last season before Terry's extra contribution, considering our attendances and Club Doncaster?
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And yet we've always been told it's top 6 budget, top 10 budget etc etc.
Top bullshit budget.
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Austerity
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So was it definitely stated as a loan, then? I’ve seen the rumour about Matthew Craig but interested to know if McCann explicity said it’s a loan. The reason I ask is that a “calm playmaker” doesn’t sound like a kid on his first loan, as how would you know he’s calm when he’s not played a senior game?
Re: Broadbent, he’s still young. We’ve not seen a great deal yet but I think we need to give him time. Other than for the fact he’s quite tall and he came from Sheffield United, he couldn’t be more different to Whiteman, but I hold out hope that in the right combination he could offer something in the future.
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- We have the 7th largest attendances in the league (despite watching losing football for 3 years straight by the way).
- Club Doncaster adds significant extra funds to the budget that wouldn't otherwise be available.
- Bramall invests significant extra funds to the playing budget.
How can all these things be true while only being able to say we have a top half budget? It doesn't add up.
Last seasons budget was 14th if I remember correctly, so not sure how Bramall's significant funds have only slightly moved us up the pecking order.
I don't trust them 1 bit, the clubs a shambles and we'll be non league soon
The same answer as before, which two teams got promoted from the National League last season ? If you don’t know they are the teams along with Stockport, some of their players are getting absolute mega wages for this league, more a month than most of us earn a year.
You think this club is a shambles, which is a bit harsh to say the least, but you know best so we’ve all been told
More a month than most earn in a year? Really? What wages are these on? Guess you mean the likes of Mullins at Wrexham? Surely 3-4k a week tops?
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Elliott Lee
Steve Fletcher
James McClean
Paul Mullins
Those four will each be dragging over £8k a week.
Oli Palmer when he signed was reputed to be on £3k a week
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I was told a couple of months ago that the 5 teams with the biggest budgets are Wrexham, Stockport, Mansfield, Gills and Notts County.
Wrexham apparently have double Stockports budget. Stockport, Mansfield and Gills are all similar and Gills have double Notts County’s budget. Just goes to show what Kind of budget the top 4 have because Notts County won’t be paying players peanuts and Wrexham have 4x their budget if true.
It won’t have gone up much in regards to the budget table because the teams that have come into the league will have much bigger budgets to the teams that went out of the league, add to that Gillingham who have new owners.
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On Broadbent, don’t think McCann meant the comparison between him and Whiteman as a player, think it’s more what kind of fee Broadbent could bring us in the future.
We’re yet to see what he can do as his season has been very stop start due to being in and out of the team and then when he started to get into a bit of form he got injured, it’s also his first season in the EFL so needs to be given time. McCann wouldn’t have paid a fee for him if he didn’t have potential to be a sellable asset for us.
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- We have the 7th largest attendances in the league (despite watching losing football for 3 years straight by the way).
- Club Doncaster adds significant extra funds to the budget that wouldn't otherwise be available.
- Bramall invests significant extra funds to the playing budget.
How can all these things be true while only being able to say we have a top half budget? It doesn't add up.
Last seasons budget was 14th if I remember correctly, so not sure how Bramall's significant funds have only slightly moved us up the pecking order.
I don't trust them 1 bit, the clubs a shambles and we'll be non league soon
Bell
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Anyone remember the abuse Whiteman got on here before he was deployed differently. Grant was the making of him
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All to follow on YouTube. I didn’t stay until end but highlights for me
- Grant hasn’t given up on play offs
- another poss loan tomorrow (midfielder as missing Zain) and would like another striker
- 8 players out of contract in summer and club has option on a couple more- no numbers given but implied a few would be released
- Terry is really positive- he took on chairman role because he can now dedicate the time needed. He is not looking for a fellow investor, he wants to get performance on the pitch sorted and then the club will be much more attractive when it comes time to sell
- think current budget is top half of League 2
- biggest reason for our demise? Gavin said player budget- now recognise that sustainability has to be balanced with performance on pitch
He went a bit further than saying possible signing, actually signing a calm midfielder tomorrow.
We have experienced players but need more pace and legs
Did he clarify a loan or can we hold out any hope for permanent?
Never actually said loan just a signing
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If some people aren’t happy with everything at the club go away and support someone else. Before anyone asks, I am a little disappointed where we are in the league at the moment. GM will turn it around. As for TB, if it wasn’t for him we would probably not have a club.
As I have said in another post, we have no Devine right to be beating any club.
Don’t like what’s happening then jog on
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Like others have said it is the budget talk that concerns me and the spin said over the last few years. I always had the impression that it was competitive enough for a promotion push.
The new language makes you mistrust what was said previously and now.
It's like politicians spiel.
Honesty please.
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A good budget doesn’t guarantee promotion or play offs. They have said it was mismanaged. That’s being honest hence why past few managers have been sacked after being given a chance. Unfortunately we have players under contract at the moment.
As frustrating as it is with some games that players have not tried there are games some have. I believe GM will get the ones out he wants out but it might not be till the summer.
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Like others have said it is the budget talk that concerns me and the spin said over the last few years. I always had the impression that it was competitive enough for a promotion push.
The new language makes you mistrust what was said previously and now.
It's like politicians spiel.
Honesty please.
The problem is that if they said it was a competitive budget there would be people still having a moan that they aren’t being told the truth. Then when they say the budget was the problem the same people then say they don’t trust them and still moan, the club just can’t win with some people
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I agree. People want to slam the club for whatever reason.
We play now, not in the past. If mistakes have been made then so be it. No one is perfect. The now and the future is what matters
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Austerity
Not sure we can lump this on the Tories....? :ermm: :whistle:
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It’s a genuinely serious question. We have seen the damage done by the recruitment team when they had no cash, imagine if the cheque book is properly opened. Like Saudi on Don. Big wages for the mad, bad and over the hill.
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Regardless of what budget we have, it still doesn’t help when we’ve made some shocking signings over the past 3 seasons, including some from GM, it’s also doesn’t help in attracting the attention of good loan and permanent transfers, with our woeful performances over the past 3 seasons.
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All to follow on YouTube. I didn’t stay until end but highlights for me
- Grant hasn’t given up on play offs
- another poss loan tomorrow (midfielder as missing Zain) and would like another striker
- 8 players out of contract in summer and club has option on a couple more- no numbers given but implied a few would be released
- Terry is really positive- he took on chairman role because he can now dedicate the time needed. He is not looking for a fellow investor, he wants to get performance on the pitch sorted and then the club will be much more attractive when it comes time to sell
- think current budget is top half of League 2
- biggest reason for our demise? Gavin said player budget- now recognise that sustainability has to be balanced with performance on pitch
He went a bit further than saying possible signing, actually signing a calm midfielder tomorrow.
We have experienced players but need more pace and legs
Did he clarify a loan or can we hold out any hope for permanent?
Matthew Craig on loan from Spurs apparently.
Another inexperienced and untested kid on loan ?
Hardly screams ambition or long term planning.
Lad signed an extension at Spurs in July......until 2026 - so I imagine the people at Tottenham rate him. Can feature as a defensive midfielder, or at centre-back or full-back if required.
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/spurs/transfer-talk/news/tottenham-announce-new-contracts-for-nile-john-matthew-craig_517466.html
https://www.footballfancast.com/spurs-craig-hojbjerg-postecoglou-premier-league-academy-youth/
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People should always, ALWAYS! Take what is said by owners, managers and players with a huge pinch of salt. It is always spin. This is not just football either, but any business talk.
There is usually enough information to find some truths in the words though.
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Regardless of what budget we have, it still doesn’t help when we’ve made some shocking signings over the past 3 seasons, including some from GM, it’s also doesn’t help in attracting the attention of good loan and permanent transfers, with our woeful performances over the past 3 seasons.
Exactly, irrespective of the amount it still needs to be used wisely. Wellens was quick to spunk the majority of his on his first few signings for example. Got to work smarter in our recruitment I appreciate the Premier leagues a different kettle of fish but look at Chelsea & Man U chucking good money after bad and then compare that with Brighton's model they're light years ahead.
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Like others have said it is the budget talk that concerns me and the spin said over the last few years. I always had the impression that it was competitive enough for a promotion push.
The new language makes you mistrust what was said previously and now.
It's like politicians spiel.
Honesty please.
Exactly, I trust them less now than ever.
The club has been ran shambolically for years, without any accountability.
It's like previous lessons haven't been learnt, and the clubs sleepwalking into non league.
Then you get the usual sycophants/ shills on here insulting or banning anyone who dares to question how the clubs been ran.
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TS. You really should go and support someone else if that’s how you always feel about the club
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TS. You really should go and support someone else if that’s how you always feel about the club
Re read my modified post
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If some people aren’t happy with everything at the club go away and support someone else. Before anyone asks, I am a little disappointed where we are in the league at the moment. GM will turn it around. As for TB, if it wasn’t for him we would probably not have a club.
As I have said in another post, we have no Devine right to be beating any club.
Don’t like what’s happening then jog on
The old “go and support somebody else” jibe. Incredible that people have concerns given our decline/current position isn’t it.
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Past is the past. You would pick bones out of a potato
Yes mushRTID. it’s the same people spouting crap. Always putting the club/team down in every way. If people are that disgruntled and unhappy then don’t support the club. They put no positive or constructive posts down. So I stand with what I said. Jog on and support someone else
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Past is the past. You would pick bones out of a potato
Yes mushRTID. it’s the same people spouting crap. Always putting the club/team down in every way. If people are that disgruntled and unhappy then don’t support the club. They put no positive or constructive posts down. So I stand with what I said. Jog on and support someone else
I agree with what you say Spilsby but only up to a point though.
Yes we have some who only post negativity but it would be wrong if we as supporters didn’t question the way the club has been run over the last few years given where we are placed in league 2 right now.
The problem was Blunt that’s plainly obvious. He has imposed massive austerity on the finances and has not been open and honest with the fans about our budget.
TB has opened his eyes thanks to John Ryan talking to him about his legacy and has now decided and able to give his time to addressing the the current situation the club finds itself in on the field of play.
We have an excellent manager with a winning mentality someone with a track record of success and a League 1 title on his CV.
If TB gives him a top 5/7 budget for next season then I believe GM has the nous to put a team together to finish top 3
Very pleased to hear his preferred system is 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2
He only played 3-5-2 because of the injuries to our full backs Sterry, Senior, Maxwell & Nixon who have all been out for varying time spans.
Onwards and upwards we go. I think now TB has taken the helm we will see serious progress.
Patience is required as the current squad is not the finished article that will achieve promotion.
Next summer will be massive on the recruitment front.
The big worry I have is the succession to TB. He is 81 and will not be around forever.
Whichever league we are in who is going to want to take the club over? Is there someone out there who is a genuine fan of the club with some serious money. Someone really genuine?
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Past is the past. You would pick bones out of a potato
Yes mushRTID. it’s the same people spouting crap. Always putting the club/team down in every way. If people are that disgruntled and unhappy then don’t support the club. They put no positive or constructive posts down. So I stand with what I said. Jog on and support someone else
Yes, fewer supporters. Exactly what we need.
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It absolutely NOT the role of the VSC, the Supporters Club or any other fan or fans group to act as the comms and reporting link from this event.
It’s quite clear that the Free Press has had its budget / resources cut to the extent that it can almost no longer report on the football club.
The apparent apathy towards filling that void (professionally) elsewhere within the club is quite amazing for a club that clearly does work hard on fan engagement. I’m assuming perhaps Liam Hoden (who I do normally rate) could be unwell or temporarily absent, which is fine, but where’s the cover for such an important event?
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It absolutely NOT the role of the VSC, the Supporters Club or any other fan or fans group to act as the comms and reporting link from this event.
It’s quite clear that the Free Press has had its budget / resources cut to the extent that it can almost no longer report on the football club.
The apparent apathy towards filling that void (professionally) elsewhere within the club is quite amazing for a club that clearly does work hard on fan engagement. I’m assuming perhaps Liam Hoden (who I do normally rate) could be unwell or temporarily absent, which is fine, but where’s the cover for such an important event?
Liam Hoden was at the event yesterday and the full event will be posted on YouTube in the next couple of days.
The free press havent posted about the club since Steve Jones left.
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I’m starting to think Mr Soprano might not be a Rovers supporter just a troll, he might know a lot about football and Rovers, but that’s just my opinion
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I agree Campsall. There has been issues but the constant berating of TB and the club without back up is not needed. I agree to disagreements with being constructive which I have happily in the past, read listened and voiced my opinion in a disrespectful way (once I didn’t and was told by a reader) to which I realised I was wrong and apologised.
It is only a few, I know that.
I agree with your post. Blunt seemed to be a big issue. Thankfully TB has been proactive and in the manager we have someone who wants to win and doesn’t gloss over if it’s been rubbish.
He has to have time to make things right and to get players out he doesn’t want, for one reason or another.
We have to be thankful for JR, TB and others after that certain chairman in the 1990’s. We were so close to not having a club to support.
Rome was built in a day.
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Im guessing the DFP will either pick through this thread or wait until the video is out and report breaking news from that
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Felt slightly embarrassed when the guy asked last night why we aren’t signing players such as Sully and Stock
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The spokesman for the club said that all the meeting will be on YouTube in the next couple of days. So giving X updates was not on the agenda.
It was a good meeting and well attended.
Grant explained his thinking when it comes to getting in players. Money is available to a certain level but people who think we can go out and get players paying either a transfer fee and wages that is top of league two or into league one need to think again.
It was said by Gavin when questioned that the problem over the last 2 seasons has been lack of Resources trying to be sustainable. We now have a slightly different attitude but our budget is top half of the table.
Unfortunately this season injuries have continued and we are paying wages of players who have not been available plus extra medical costs.
The new head of medical and physio therapy is now looking at this and we should see improvement 6 month down the line.
Let’s hope we see more consistent approach on the field to improve our position in the league. Grant bringing in young players who can get round the pitch to add to the experience players we already have we all hope that works but have reservations.
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Felt slightly embarrassed when the guy asked last night why we aren’t signing players such as Sully and Stock
Doesn't this say more about you than whoever asked the question?
When Stock signed he was a decent League 1 player, very well known to the manager. As for Sullivan, it doesn't really need saying but he was also from a fellow League 1 team - and had a very high calibre having had a decent Premier League career.
Where are the proven signings this time? Joe Ironside.. any others? We're a team of unproven lower league and non-league players. With two more youngsters recently added.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out the quickest way out of League Two is to assemble a team of experienced League One/Two physical grafters with a few promising youngsters. But then the 14th best budget in the League will rarely stretch to that...
I keep reading that this is a tough league etc etc. It's really not. It's a crap league with crap direct physical football. I haven't been impressed with one League Two side we've played against since we dropped down. How we still can't compete after nearly 18 months at this level is laughable.
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The managers appointed wasted what little budget we did have. The board tried to give young managers a chance that were not upto the job. Many of us knew before they started it wasn’t going to work out. The club at that time didn’t want to pay for an established, experienced manager, they paid the price for going cheap. This time they have got an established manager, with past success on his record and still it isn’t working. Do we get rid of him and start again? No it wouldn’t solve the problem, it would make it worse.
The way things are done need an overhaul. I say this without knowing the ins and outs of every nuck and cranny of the club.
The results on the pitch have been abysmal. The communication of the club with its supporters has been at best amateurish.
There is so much potential at the club, but it isn’t being run right.
There needs to be a thinner chain of command. When we bring players in it can’t always be bigger clubs youth team players. We need dependable, consistent players along with promising ones.
The scouting needs to be done the old fashioned way. Finding out personalities of the players, injury records. What type of guy is he? Does he fit into the position and will he suit the side the manager is trying to build. I suspect clubs are relying too much on these stupid sheets made up by half heads on a computer. He’s expected to score this many goals. He runs so many miles etc.
No good running ten miles if you don’t do anything at the end of it.
We need intelligent , strong minded players that can be compatible with what is around them. If we can’t get the right players then you wait until you get someone who is right. Work on the players you already have on the training field. We have a few good individuals but no team. The manager has to work on making them a team. Confidence I would suggest is fairly low at the minute. It’s quite fragile, if something goes wrong, we don’t have the mentality to change it.
The size of squad we have is a massive hindrance. Due to injuries and poor signing of players, we are top heavy with players.
A lot of these players won’t interest other clubs, we will either have to pay them off or pay them until the contract runs out.
Short term we need to start doing things right from here on in. If it means getting some of those players not needed out on loan then that’s what needs to be done. The manager eventually needs a strong competitive squad of around 20-22 players to work with.
To do that you must recruit players that will be fit for the majority of games.
The injuries are stopping any consistency. No team patterns are being able to be worked on properly. This leads to mistakes being made, poor goals going in and that final pass before a shot on goal, going astray because the players haven’t developed that sixth sense of where their team mate is going to move to.
Bringing in youth players one after the other isn’t helping to gather any consistency. Young players are learning their game, they could be brilliant one week, then next game disappear. A more experienced player gives you the reliability of knowing what you get. The mix in the side isn’t right.
We still haven’t got a regular partnership at the back. Promotion teams tend to have that. Apart from The Ironside/Faal partnership we are lacking that. We need a goalkeeper that commands his area and back four. We need a dominant pairing at the back. Intelligent full backs that know when to push up and when to defend. A midfield that commands a game but also provides for the forwards. We are quite a way from getting it right. With this manager in charge that is worrying, I had high hopes for him.
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In 2003/2004 we won promotion from league 2 the side we had then was built on a team that won promotion from the conference.
In 2016/ 2017 we again won promotion having been relegated the previous season but the squad we had then was far better than we have now.
Both those sides would be more competitive in this league than the squad we have now.
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They knew each others strengths and weaknesses. We’ve had more talented individuals than some of those players, but we haven’t had better teams. Thought and hard work went into those promotion teams. Standards were set and kept.
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It looks plain to me that the emphasis is on next season now, we have a , young side, and it looks like it is going to get younger.
The sound bites were there with win a cup and not giving up on the playoffs and we need that ambition despite them being unlikely.
I like that and feel as a club it is the way we need to go, and yes another thing that came out last night was the fact that more emphasis will be put into recruitment, as lots of clubs have, not even with our budget and recourses, Harrogate and Barrow two good examples, have left us behind in that department, why is a big question, and something challenged by McSheffrey which didn't hold him in good stead with those at the head in power
during his tenure.
We need to cast a wider net, with the non league and u21s leagues covered as well as established players at other clubs we think could fit in here., as I think we have tried to recruit from a too narrow base and have wanted ready made players who may have weaknesses in their play or nit fit our style of play and have been recruited because of their name and reputation, some coming from teams like Manchester United who have been way off it but carry that certain attraction in the name, and have an advantage over players from lesser sides who are better players.
Our aim must be to stay out of trouble this season, and build up the club, it should be an exciting time for us the supporters and for the management and can only enhance their reputation if successful, I look forward to it.
I agree dcfd by the way that those squads would be better than the present one but would have very little sell on benefit as they would be getting on a bit in age now.
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We need to get the players from non league before they get to the bigger sides and give them time to develop. While doing that sign players that are ready to do it now.
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Last time we were in this league we had players like Marquis, Rowe, Butler, Williams, Copps, Houghton, and Baudry who were probably in the top handful of players in their roles in the league. Plus the likes of Blair, Mason, Marosi, Wright, Grant and Mandeville who all contributed a significant amount to the team.
How many of the squad can we say that for now? Players in the top few in their positions in the division - can't be many if any? Players making a significant impact consistently (being available is obviously part of that) - Moly, Bailey, Ironside? Maybe Close?
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Up to the point we were competing at the top end of League One under McCann and then Moore, before the curtailed season due to Covid, the 'budget' can't have been that bad. We then sadly lost Dick Watson which must have been a big hole to fill. Now, we were led to believe (I had no reason to doubt) Club Doncaster was contributing to some of that shortfall however, through lockdown that income was badly effected too. It's through this period and coming out of covid that we don't seem to have recovered well.
Of course we can and have debated to merit of recruitment post covid but, we can't also get away from big chunks of the budget being unavailable on the injured list. Anderson, Close, Cameron John, Fejiri, Jon Taylor to name but few all affected the ability of Wellens, McSheffrey and Schofield to put a consistent team out on the pitch. Yes, this led to too many short term gambles including young loan players who had to shoulder too much responsibility.
I still can't fathom how we can be sure what a 'top x' budget actially means and how that compares to other clubs. Clubs with higher than average wage structures won't see money go as far, although you'd expect better quality. But that's a balance every club is striving for and clearly, we haven't been able to get that balance right. Plus, things had clearly moved on financially post covid and despite Club Doncaster contributing again, there was a realisation it wasn't enough as other clubs were fairing much better relatively.
The murmurings of the penny dropping came earlier this year with TB stepping in. The courting of Grant McCann was the start of that prior to Schofields inevitable demise.
While we go through this restructuring we need to draw a line with the club being reminded of things reputedly said in the past re 5 year plans, top whatever budgets, consolodation seasons blah, blah, as it means bugger all.
Yes, let's continue to question recruitment and what we can see on the pitch as a result. That's the acid tests.
I think would all agree, the spine of the team is where we need the investment on quality.
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Felt slightly embarrassed when the guy asked last night why we aren’t signing players such as Sully and Stock
Doesn't this say more about you than whoever asked the question?
When Stock signed he was a decent League 1 player, very well known to the manager. As for Sullivan, it doesn't really need saying but he was also from a fellow League 1 team - and had a very high calibre having had a decent Premier League career.
Where are the proven signings this time? Joe Ironside.. any others? We're a team of unproven lower league and non-league players. With two more youngsters recently added.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out the quickest way out of League Two is to assemble a team of experienced League One/Two physical grafters with a few promising youngsters. But then the 14th best budget in the League will rarely stretch to that...
I keep reading that this is a tough league etc etc. It's really not. It's a crap league with crap direct physical football. I haven't been impressed with one League Two side we've played against since we dropped down. How we still can't compete after nearly 18 months at this level is laughable.
So you are saying we have no proven League One Players
Richard Wood - proven at Championship/League One
Tommy Rowe as above
Ben Close proven at League One
Jon Taylor proven at League One
Zain Westbrooke proven at League One
Tom Anderson proven at League One
Joe Ironside proven at League One
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We need to get the players from non league before they get to the bigger sides and give them time to develop. While doing that sign players that are ready to do it now.
Sammy I love your posts but recently you totally contradict yourself either in the same post or further down
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Kings Lynn have just sold a 22 yr old non league central defender player to Southend for a reported £35,000 fee plus add ons.
We had a 18yr old central defender winning MOM awards at EFL level last season, and all we have done is undermine his value ever since.
While Peterborough have slapped £5 million on a player who didn't look all that against us in the cup this season, in fact on the day they got away with it, but they market young players the right way and we never have, getting way below their value time after time.
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So you are saying we have no proven League One Players
Richard Wood - proven at Championship/League One
Tommy Rowe as above
Ben Close proven at League One
Jon Taylor proven at League One
Zain Westbrooke proven at League One
Tom Anderson proven at League One
Joe Ironside proven at League One
I mean I'm not saying that - lovely straw man you've created there. I think you're just trying to score points rather than engaging with the actual thrust of debate here. Which was that we aren't signing proven players.
So rather than analyse your motley crew of injury table layouts and ageing pros let's see what percentage of signings this season could be classed as "proven" at L1/L2 level.
Ironside - Proven
Wood - Proven
Lawlor - questionable
Sterry - questionable
McGrath - no
Senior - no
Bailey - no
Broadbent - no
Carty - no
Nixon - no
Faal - no
Roberts - no
Marsh - no
Sotona - no
So I'd have it as 2 out of 14 - being proven. If we give you Lawlor and Sterry, that's still just 4 out of 14. Not even a third of our signings this season have been proven players. It's not even arguable.
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Why is it point scoring please, you stated we are a team of unproven and lower league players, I offered a counter argument based on fact not opinions.
For what it’s worth I agree that we need more “battlers”
I’ve total faith in McCann to get this right, although like everyone else I’d have loved it to happen this season.
The main difference between the players I quoted and our historical players is that under SOD we didn’t seem to have most of the squad injured - hopefully the change in recruitment addresses this
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Kings Lynn have just sold a 22 yr old non league central defender player to Southend for a reported £35,000 fee plus add ons.
We had a 18yr old central defender winning MOM awards at EFL level last season, and all we have done is undermine his value ever since.
While Peterborough have slapped £5 million on a player who didn't look all that against us in the cup this season, in fact on the day they got away with it, but they market young players the right way and we never have, getting way below their value time after time.
The way we are handling Faulkner is poor IMO.
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Kings Lynn have just sold a 22 yr old non league central defender player to Southend for a reported £35,000 fee plus add ons.
We had a 18yr old central defender winning MOM awards at EFL level last season, and all we have done is undermine his value ever since.
While Peterborough have slapped £5 million on a player who didn't look all that against us in the cup this season, in fact on the day they got away with it, but they market young players the right way and we never have, getting way below their value time after time.
The way we are handling Faulkner is poor IMO.
How else can we handle him when he's been out injured for the most part?
I assume this Peterborough lad is well known to McCann then? Are you saying McCann isn't capable of recognising and encouraging young talent?
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He needs to either play or go on loan at a higher level than previous, at the moment he is just getting no game time
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Kings Lynn have just sold a 22 yr old non league central defender player to Southend for a reported £35,000 fee plus add ons.
We had a 18yr old central defender winning MOM awards at EFL level last season, and all we have done is undermine his value ever since.
While Peterborough have slapped £5 million on a player who didn't look all that against us in the cup this season, in fact on the day they got away with it, but they market young players the right way and we never have, getting way below their value time after time.
Edwards has played 86 games in League one and Champship he’s represented England at U19 and U20 level. Whether he’s worth £5m then that’s down to the buying club.
Bobby is a year younger than him down injury and manager’s selection he’s hardly played first team football there is no comparison. If given his chance to play then he will be able to show if he can produce performances consistently that some people believe he can. I hope we can see him do that.
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Should partner faulkner and McGrath in the next game, we've tried the other combinations
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We need to get the players from non league before they get to the bigger sides and give them time to develop. While doing that sign players that are ready to do it now.
Sammy I love your posts but recently you totally contradict yourself either in the same post or further down
No what I’m saying is sign players for the here and now, but have potential players from non league around the squad, learning the job, and give them time, don’t expect too much too soon.
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Kings Lynn have just sold a 22 yr old non league central defender player to Southend for a reported £35,000 fee plus add ons.
We had a 18yr old central defender winning MOM awards at EFL level last season, and all we have done is undermine his value ever since.
While Peterborough have slapped £5 million on a player who didn't look all that against us in the cup this season, in fact on the day they got away with it, but they market young players the right way and we never have, getting way below their value time after time.
The way we are handling Faulkner is poor IMO.
I’m not convinced that he’s not being deliberately ignored. Flint, Kuleya, Goodman, Straughan-Brown have all had more non time on the pitch and none of them has recently or previously made anything like as significant a contribution, nor looked as comfortable as Faulkner. He seems to be the very embodiment, the persistent illustration of poor use of player resources. And his agent would be well advised to find him another club for his own sake; Rovers don’t deserve him. Someone else with real potential who is missed and whose injuries have hampered him enormously is Maxwell.
I don’t suppose there was time at the meeting to challenge the seemingly poor record on recovery from injuries. They keep appointing new staff on that side of the operation, but is there evidence of improvement?
It sounds as though anyone coming away from the meeting not feeling “negative” might be out of touch with reality. Faith in the Chairman is the only real positive. The rest of the management which would include Baldwin, who seems to have stood and watched, really has a major task ahead. No doubt SM would defend him, but it sounds as though the club have not been really open with either the VSC or the Shadow Board. It’s difficult to know how as a club we can be so regaled with off-the-field awards yet fail to be upfront with the fans.
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Would you rush back him into the team after a long injury layoff
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Lets face it Selby it wasn't hard last season to only put in a half decent performance to win MoM. There wasn't much competition!
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If i was TB i would think twice about putting more of my money into the club, after reading some of the comments on here.
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Would you rush back him into the team after a long injury layoff
If he is on the bench he should be fit to play. I think there were others on the bench who were back from injuries and there have been instances of players removed from the subs bench because they are not match fit. I’m afraid that evidence points towards discrimination towards Faulkner.
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That’s a very strong statement and a big accusation. No one apart from the manager and coaching staff maybe know why he isn’t being played
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Would you rush back him into the team after a long injury layoff
If he is on the bench he should be fit to play. I think there were others on the bench who were back from injuries and there have been instances of players removed from the subs bench because they are not match fit. I’m afraid that evidence points towards discrimination towards Faulkner.
Wow. Strong words indeed. Didn't you listen to McCanns recent post match interview when he explained why he was reluctant to put Faulkener on the pitch following his return from injury?
How many people were calling for a change to the back line after the draw at Mansfield and win v MK? Not many.
Was there opportunity to bring him on v Harrogate? Maybe, but that's just one game.
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I don’t suppose there was time at the meeting to challenge the seemingly poor record on recovery from injuries. They keep appointing new staff on that side of the operation, but is there evidence of improvement?
Grant was questioned about injuries he said quite a few trauma injuries also the new man is looking into the problem with so many injuries but it will take time but we should be seeing improvement within 6 months.
When Terry was talking about injured players and money we paying he also said we’ve had pay more in medical fees.
But if take Miller Lavery and Taylor they’ve all had to have more than one operation 2/3 all before Grant and physio medical and staff came to the club.
Faulkner injury was a recurring injury I believe from the problem he had last season. Now he’s fit and then Grant will decide when he’s ready to be selected
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The physio before this new one looked like one of the most unfit men I’ve ever seen.
Surely when interviewing someone for this kind of position the minimum should be that they look after themselves
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If i was TB i would think twice about putting more of my money into the club, after reading some of the comments on here.
What on Earth makes you think that Terry reads this forum?
If you read the threads carefully, most people are blaming Blunt for our demise, and rightly so.
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I've mentioned this before on the subject of specialists and treatment for injured players, and that's the scheme that all football clubs belong to.
Of the 92 clubs that make up the EPL and EFL 91 of them all pay into, and belong to, a scheme that has appointed specialists of all types and medical professionals. The one exception to that is Manchester Utd who apparently do their own thing.
Of course clubs have sole control of the staff that they employ.
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The physio before this new one looked like one of the most unfit men I’ve ever seen.
Surely when interviewing someone for this kind of position the minimum should be that they look after themselves
Eric braislford was a cracking physio
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I’m on about Karl Blenkin
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Raven that post takes the biscuit, so the standard of the other players here last year enabled Faulkner (an 18year old at the time to get the MOM awards) quite a few are still here Molly, Anderson, Close, Westbrook, Hurst, Jones, Olowu, Rowe, Long, Miller just off the top of my head.
And he only played with Olowu or Anderson once or twice I dont think ever with Anderson, being paired with Long or the lad from Leicester City, and was played right back and centre forward (successfully by the way) in his first ever first team game and had a big hand in the winning goal beating the keeper in the air, scored two goals in games at Hartlepool and Walsall and an assist for the winner at Northampton at 18yrs old 12 months after playing at Askern Welfare and Fishlake u17s on a Sunday.
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I don’t think that’s what the poster meant, Selby. You’re very touchy when it comes to anyone having an opinion about Faulkner. Don’t worry, his time will come (probably sooner, rather than later imho). At the age he’s at, what’s the hurry, anyway? Yes, it might be frustrating for you, personally, but not everyone knows the lad like you do, so a bit of tolerance maybe required.
Onwards and, hopefully, upwards.
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My point being yes he earned MoM but the competition for it wasn't great game in game out.
You seem to be doting on Faulkener as you did with a previous young player.
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Felt slightly embarrassed when the guy asked last night why we aren’t signing players such as Sully and Stock
Doesn't this say more about you than whoever asked the question?
When Stock signed he was a decent League 1 player, very well known to the manager. As for Sullivan, it doesn't really need saying but he was also from a fellow League 1 team - and had a very high calibre having had a decent Premier League career.
Where are the proven signings this time? Joe Ironside.. any others? We're a team of unproven lower league and non-league players. With two more youngsters recently added.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out the quickest way out of League Two is to assemble a team of experienced League One/Two physical grafters with a few promising youngsters. But then the 14th best budget in the League will rarely stretch to that...
I keep reading that this is a tough league etc etc. It's really not. It's a crap league with crap direct physical football. I haven't been impressed with one League Two side we've played against since we dropped down. How we still can't compete after nearly 18 months at this level is laughable.
So you are saying we have no proven League One Players
Richard Wood - proven at Championship/League One
Tommy Rowe as above
Ben Close proven at League One
Jon Taylor proven at League One
Zain Westbrooke proven at League One
Tom Anderson proven at League One
Joe Ironside proven at League One
I hope that’s a joke.
Played at that level but miles off it now. Wood/T Rowe/Taylor/Anderson are league 2 players at best I’m afraid. Only close Westbrooke and Ironside I’d be keen to keep next season never mind in league one
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Please read it correctly I have nowhere said anything about keeping these players, it referred to players who played at that level
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It absolutely NOT the role of the VSC, the Supporters Club or any other fan or fans group to act as the comms and reporting link from this event.
It’s quite clear that the Free Press has had its budget / resources cut to the extent that it can almost no longer report on the football club.
The apparent apathy towards filling that void (professionally) elsewhere within the club is quite amazing for a club that clearly does work hard on fan engagement. I’m assuming perhaps Liam Hoden (who I do normally rate) could be unwell or temporarily absent, which is fine, but where’s the cover for such an important event?
Good news on that front. Ricky Charlesworth has been set on as the new Rovers reporter for the DFP. Used to report on Sheffield Wednesday I believe.
https://twitter.com/Ricky_C90/status/1744788900118135208
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Unless Broadbent is physically bringing Ben Whiteman to the club, I don’t see any relationship between that statement from McCann and what we have seen as yet on the pitch.
depends how you look at it whiteman wasn’t brilliant when he 1st came to the club,every player need time to adjust and also get use to playing each week
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Event is now on Youtube, thanks to the club for providing this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbY71g6EUk0
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Very poor from the media department!
You didn’t miss much .. it started with verbal equivalence to musical chairs to .. I’m the only one left then? Seldom discovered anything we didn’t already know that they didn’t want us to know before hand ..
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Very poor from the media department!
You didn’t miss much .. it started with verbal equivalence to musical chairs to .. I’m the only one left then? Seldom discovered anything we didn’t already know that they didn’t want us to know before hand ..
If you had been there what questions would you have asked?
Did you consider sending an email to the club to submit any of these questions?
A lot of people moan about not getting answers but don’t ask any questions.
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Very poor from the media department!
You didn’t miss much .. it started with verbal equivalence to musical chairs to .. I’m the only one left then? Seldom discovered anything we didn’t already know that they didn’t want us to know before hand ..
So, what was your take on what Terry explained when asked about considering additional investment?
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The only important question I had and which I sent to GB by email was about TB’s intentions on succession planning.He was clear about that saying he would not seek a buyer until the league status of the club was more attractive .
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Shock ITB with a negative post
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The only important question I had and which I sent to GB by email was about TB’s intentions on succession planning.He was clear about that saying he would not seek a buyer until the league status of the club was more attractive .
I found his words a little confusing on this subject. He seemed to say he would single handedly support a mid table budget but expected a better outcome in order to make us more attractive to a buyer. He seemed to be clear on the fact that he wanted no co owners. The implication was that if the right buyers for the whole club came along then he would relinquish his shares in total but not in part.
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As long as they were in it for the good of the club
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The only important question I had and which I sent to GB by email was about TB’s intentions on succession planning.He was clear about that saying he would not seek a buyer until the league status of the club was more attractive .
I found his words a little confusing on this subject. He seemed to say he would single handedly support a mid table budget but expected a better outcome in order to make us more attractive to a buyer. He seemed to be clear on the fact that he wanted no co owners. The implication was that if the right buyers for the whole club came along then he would relinquish his shares in total but not in part.
I think there was one telling sentence when he said summat like "I've got enough funds to support this club"
I took that to mean I don't need anyone else to provide additional funding. Plus he said someone else coming in would mean there would be strings attached, and he doesn't want that. He made it clear for now, he's the head honcho.
Folk might read him differently to me, who might know him better than I, but I took it in good faith that he wants us to be successful whilst trying to make sure 'we' and he gets value for money by not chucking silly money at it.
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Let's not forget behind the scenes when he was co-owner the tension ultimately has happened a number of times. He clearly wants to do it his way.
With that of course comes accountability. No hiding place for him he has to now deliver as owner on the pitch as well as off (without his boots on ideally).
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Bramall is perfectly adequate (for want of a much better word) for this club. He has plenty of money and it’s matched by good intentions. The budget is not the reason we are where we are, it’s down to poor management and use of those funds. It’s easy for people to argue that was on Bramall’s watch, but it was under Blunt’s stewardship and influence. Bramall is entitled to want to take control, as he has, and that gives scope for the kind of changes we need. But they can’t be expected to materialise overnight. We’re tied to a big and fairly expensive squad of players, many of whom will have little or no positive impact at first team level. I’d love us to go out and splash the cash in this window, I expect we all would, but is that practical until we can offload some of the excess numbers? Aside from which the January window is known not to offer the best value. So as much as loans frustrate, me, I understand why they’re sensible right now to tide us over to the end of the season.
We may have to play the long game to turn this around and build the squad we want and need. I trust in McCann completely and expect much better from us in the summer transfer window.
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Good post Jon, here is someone in the club saying the "processes" have been shockingly poor, right across the board, from recruitment to retention and players fitness and conditioning. he is now going to change the processes and strive to make the difference that we all want. Its not going to happen overnight and we all need to be allow it to progress.
We have the manager, the whole player welfare setup is changed and we now make progress on recruiting the right individuals for the club and more importantly, for this moment in time. A few adjustments can be made now to ease us along but we need to see couple of transfer windows through before we can really kick on.
Everything is there for us to be getting on with, the club need our support in these changing and challenging times.
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A question I would have liked to have been asked when GM spoke about trimming the squad this window is are there any players currently close to moving on and will they be permanent. Although TB has confessed that he is happy to fund the club himself you have to feel sympathy for him losing half a million+ this season on injured players and not only injuries, it must hurt him paying those who were brought in or given new contracts by previous managers that are not even close to being worthy of a shirt.
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Very poor from the media department!
You didn’t miss much .. it started with verbal equivalence to musical chairs to .. I’m the only one left then? Seldom discovered anything we didn’t already know that they didn’t want us to know before hand ..
If you had been there what questions would you have asked?
Did you consider sending an email to the club to submit any of these questions?
A lot of people moan about not getting answers but don’t ask any questions.
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Very poor from the media department!
You didn’t miss much .. it started with verbal equivalence to musical chairs to .. I’m the only one left then? Seldom discovered anything we didn’t already know that they didn’t want us to know before hand ..
If you had been there what questions would you have asked?
Did you consider sending an email to the club to submit any of these questions?
A lot of people moan about not getting answers but don’t ask any questions.
Most questions are for retrospective concerns or events that can’t often be sorted and any criticism is what forums are for , you don’t ask questions about “why do you keep picking that player” or “persist playing him out of position” etc in a meeting like this as it’s just embarrassing to watch a manager try and answer diplomatically when he really just wants you to go away …Imo the manager should t even be there . Terry Bramall has unfortunately boxed home self into a corner by not having others on the board . So if things don’t improve it will be him or McCann to blame . It never seems to amaze me that meet the owner it’s often timed when new recruitment is under way .
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The club are very proud of the work off the field, nothing wrong with that. They are doing a lot of good things. On the pitch we are failing. The owner/chairman doesn’t seem to want outsiders coming in and confusing the matter. That’s fine he owns the club financially. Before there were three people putting money in. The budgets were much higher than they have been, since he has been in sole charge. Year on year the wage budget seems to have decreased .
I have no proof of this but I look at the standard players brought in.I would like to see players recruited that can bring a stability to the side, where we don’t need to keep changing the side. I would like the club to be looking at players from non league, and developing them on the fringes of the first team. Giving them chance to improve. At the minute we have a massive squad for this level. Hopefully a fair few can go out, during this window, but it is going to be a long term job that will need two windows.
The manager said at the meeting, we have experience in the side, the problem is some of those are the ones not performing well any more. For me some experience in goal would help the back four. It would be great if we could also get a centre half in with plenty of nous, but if not partner Faulkner and McGrath in there. I think another option, who can play wide and up front would be useful.
I think a lot depends on how many we can move out during this window. I think in the future we will think back on the years that involved all the owners from Ryan to Bramhall as great years, even though we are struggling at the minute.
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Not only is he ‘ adequate ‘ he is more significant at this stage of the club’s trajectory than any other person.
Terry Bramall is the financial saviour and has carried the financial burden post John Ryan then post Dick Watson.
Moreover, he has undoubtedly been the encouragement,and Gavin Baldwin the chief engineer,of the creation of the Foundation to give back to the community in which he made his fortune the gratitude he feels .
Terry by his own admission is not a football man .Neither is he out to make money out of football nor to gain self glory by buying success for DRFC . I read it as he is trying to help the club live within reasonable means , achieve a reasonable level in the EFL ..and probably to achieve respect for it .
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The “Half Backs” idea sounds interesting :laugh:
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I wish I could have attended, but it’s a long journey for me.
Had I been there, I would have put up my hand. Not to ask a question, but to have taken the opportunity to thank Terry personally for continuing to fund the club I love.
In using his personal financial resources to keep ‘my club’ alive, he is allowing me to keep alive my own dreams.
I’m very fortunate to have a happy and healthy life and a wonderful family, but without the Rovers there would be a huge hole in my life.
So, a very simple but heartfelt ‘thank you’ to Terry from me.
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You sum up exactly how I and many others feel Pancho. It’s not just about the here and now, we want a club here for the next generation.
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Great post Pancho
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Well said sir, my thoughts exactly
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I have a slightly different view on this. Whereas without doubt we should be thankful that Mr. Bramal is continuing to fund the club in a responsible and considerate way he clearly lacks the passion for DRFC that we saw from JR. Or for that matter from those who are praising him so laudably on this thread. One might sum up his words at the event by saying he has pledged to do just enough to keep the club alive. Lets not forget that much of his vast wealth was gleaned from the public purse, effectively from the people of Doncaster and its environs. I think it was a master stroke by JR to bring the Keepmoat millionaires into the club and thank the lord that Mr. Bramal is acting honorably when others in the football world have been carpet baggers. I concur with the words of Idler and Pancho et al on this thread but can't help thinking that if we had true, genuinely RTID owners there could be more investment, ambition and drive to get us back up the football ladder. If only it were a perfect world.
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Owners of football clubs who are passionate supporters of that club are few are far between the only one I can think of at the minute is Steve Gibson at Middlesbrough, there maybe other lower down the leagues
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I have a slightly different view on this. Whereas without doubt we should be thankful that Mr. Bramal is continuing to fund the club in a responsible and considerate way he clearly lacks the passion for DRFC that we saw from JR. Or for that matter from those who are praising him so laudably on this thread. One might sum up his words at the event by saying he has pledged to do just enough to keep the club alive. Lets not forget that much of his vast wealth was gleaned from the public purse, effectively from the people of Doncaster and its environs. I think it was a master stroke by JR to bring the Keepmoat millionaires into the club and thank the lord that Mr. Bramal is acting honorably when others in the football world have been carpet baggers. I concur with the words of Idler and Pancho et al on this thread but can't help thinking that if we had true, genuinely RTID owners there could be more investment, ambition and drive to get us back up the football ladder. If only it were a perfect world.
So, are you happy they brought Grant McCaan back to the club? Are you happy we have a chairman who has stated publicly that he will continue to fund the club & get us as far up the leagues as possible & who would only sell the club to persons who have the town of Doncaster & the football club at the forefront of any takeover? Are you happy that in Gavin Baldwin we have the best CEO's outside of the Premiership/Championship?
Terry Bramall may not be the 'circus ringmaster' that JR was, but he has (& continues to) put his children's inheritance into to club not only on the playing side but as was pointed out at the MTO event, £300,000 a year for the upkeep of the stadium, currently paying £500,000 a season to players on long term injuries via their wages not withstanding paying for their medical treatment.
We've endured as fans 3 s**t seasons of football at the Eco. I believe we have the best backroom team to drive this club forward....starting on Saturday.
And just to set the record straight, there’s no bigger fan of JR & his role in resurrecting our club than me.
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I have a slightly different view on this. Whereas without doubt we should be thankful that Mr. Bramal is continuing to fund the club in a responsible and considerate way he clearly lacks the passion for DRFC that we saw from JR. Or for that matter from those who are praising him so laudably on this thread. One might sum up his words at the event by saying he has pledged to do just enough to keep the club alive. Lets not forget that much of his vast wealth was gleaned from the public purse, effectively from the people of Doncaster and its environs. I think it was a master stroke by JR to bring the Keepmoat millionaires into the club and thank the lord that Mr. Bramal is acting honorably when others in the football world have been carpet baggers. I concur with the words of Idler and Pancho et al on this thread but can't help thinking that if we had true, genuinely RTID owners there could be more investment, ambition and drive to get us back up the football ladder. If only it were a perfect world.
I can see your viewpoint. Passion certainly helps but it can only get you so far. Sustain it in the longer term is the harder task and I'm sure JR could tell you all about that. He obviously saw it, as you say, to bring in the KM2 in the first place.
Do you really think, someone would take on this sort of endeavour with just the sole aim of 'just doing enough to keep the club alive'?
TBs a pragmatist too. I genuinely think he does want us to succeed having listened to him the other night, but he wants everyone to do their bit too. Fans, staff, managers, coaches, players so it's more of a community effort that's earned rather than being bought by putting in disproportionate sums of money and becoming something WE can't sustain.
The signs are, he's allowing McCann to do whatever necessary to sort things out. Yes, we could all ask why not sooner? But we all have our thoughts on that.
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I could not agree more about bringing in Grant Mc Cann, similarly I doubt that Mc Cann would have joined us if he did not see any ambition within the club. It just seems that there was a slightly mixed message from TB at the MTO. It must be extremely difficult for the owners to manage public perception at these events and inevitably they know more than us mere fans do.
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McCaan
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McCaan
Where?!
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Just going back to this thread, I'm really starting to lose patience with Bramall and Blunt. Baldwin has done his job well but austerity at our football club has led our team into the position it finds itself in, within touching distance of relegation to non league. People keep saying thank you to Terry and he has put up a load of his own money but the budget was drained to a bottom half League Two budget and they were claiming it was capable of challenging for promotion at this level. They've hoodwinked us as fans time and time again and we need to get to the point where enough is enough. Don't try to tell me it will all change now Blunt has gone, he was the main financier, and will have been taking orders from Terry the whole time.
Trying to run a football club like a business has us heading to the National League.
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Just going back to this thread, I'm really starting to lose patience with Bramall and Blunt. Baldwin has done his job well but austerity at our football club has led our team into the position it finds itself in, within touching distance of relegation to non league. People keep saying thank you to Terry and he has put up a load of his own money but the budget was drained to a bottom half League Two budget and they were claiming it was capable of challenging for promotion at this level. They've hoodwinked us as fans time and time again and we need to get to the point where enough is enough. Don't try to tell me it will all change now Blunt has gone, he was the main financier, and will have been taking orders from Terry the whole time.
Trying to run a football club like a business has us heading to the National League.
Blunt was clearly hopeless but I do think he’s been made out as a bit of a fall guy. We’ve had a 3 person board presiding over this mess, with as tight a unit as that and Bramall covering any shortfall he’s clearly had a significant input into how things have been run (as has Baldwin).
The spin has frustrated me as well - we’ve repeatedly heard how competitive our budget has been which has clearly not been true, but most fans seem to be apathetic about being lied to. That’s maybe a symptom of just how shit we are that it’s difficult to muster the enthusiasm to be pissed off about it.
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I agree.
Blunt was easily painted as the main baddie because he was so nondescript and never said anything. I doubt it's that simple, i.e. remove the baddie and everything magically gets better.
I'm sceptical of the idea that Blunt stepping down as chairman will make any real difference. We still don't appear to have any vision or force of will coming from the top.
Talking about having ambitions to be in the Championship just isn't credible when we struggle to even compete with League 2 clubs on and off the pitch.
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Brammall is as much to blame as blunt, at any point he could have stepped in and done something.
The thing that really took the biscuit for me was blunt claiming to have the budget "to bounce back decisively "
Which was a complete lie, as it now turns out it was only the 14th best budget - in league f**king two !!!
At any point Brammall could have stepped in to do something.
They are as bad as each other, completely untrustworthy individuals who had zero accountability, and anyone who dared question them on here was insulted by the usual sycophants/shills.
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Brammall is as much to blame as blunt, at any point he could have stepped in and done something.
The thing that really took the biscuit for me was blunt claiming to have the budget "to bounce back decisively "
Which was a complete lie, as it now turns out it was only the 14th best budget - in league f**king two !!!
At any point Brammall could have stepped in to do something.
They are as bad as each other, completely untrustworthy individuals who had zero accountability, and anyone who dared question them on here was insulted by the usual sycophants/shills.
Bit ironic coming from someone who can't be trusted to keep the same username.
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Brammall is as much to blame as blunt, at any point he could have stepped in and done something.
The thing that really took the biscuit for me was blunt claiming to have the budget "to bounce back decisively "
Which was a complete lie, as it now turns out it was only the 14th best budget - in league f**king two !!!
At any point Brammall could have stepped in to do something.
They are as bad as each other, completely untrustworthy individuals who had zero accountability, and anyone who dared question them on here was insulted by the usual sycophants/shills.
Change the record
Boring hell
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Told you all this last year. Shambles of a club, 10 years of lies and bullshit and you still lap it up.
If they told me it was raining I'd have to go out and check
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What’s puzzling is why have we been told at every step that our budget is aligned with our publicly stated ambitions? And now some money has actually seemingly been made available we are being told that the previous funding, publicised as sufficient at the time, wasn’t actually adequate?
Which version of events is actually true? I’d love to know.
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Told you all this last year. Shambles of a club, 10 years of lies and bullshit and you still lap it up.
If they told me it was raining I'd have to go out and check
Brammall is as much to blame as blunt, at any point he could have stepped in and done something.
The thing that really took the biscuit for me was blunt claiming to have the budget "to bounce back decisively "
Which was a complete lie, as it now turns out it was only the 14th best budget - in league f**king two !!!
At any point Brammall could have stepped in to do something.
They are as bad as each other, completely untrustworthy individuals who had zero accountability, and anyone who dared question them on here was insulted by the usual sycophants/shills.
Tony Sporano / Oggy Compton , if I was a betting man, which I am I’d like to bet two things,
1. You are one and the same.
2. You’re a wind up merchant who doesn’t support our team.
I bet I’m correct.
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Just going back to this thread, I'm really starting to lose patience with Bramall and Blunt. Baldwin has done his job well but austerity at our football club has led our team into the position it finds itself in, within touching distance of relegation to non league. People keep saying thank you to Terry and he has put up a load of his own money but the budget was drained to a bottom half League Two budget and they were claiming it was capable of challenging for promotion at this level. They've hoodwinked us as fans time and time again and we need to get to the point where enough is enough. Don't try to tell me it will all change now Blunt has gone, he was the main financier, and will have been taking orders from Terry the whole time.
Trying to run a football club like a business has us heading to the National League.
Blunt was clearly hopeless but I do think he’s been made out as a bit of a fall guy. We’ve had a 3 person board presiding over this mess, with as tight a unit as that and Bramall covering any shortfall he’s clearly had a significant input into how things have been run (as has Baldwin).
The spin has frustrated me as well - we’ve repeatedly heard how competitive our budget has been which has clearly not been true, but most fans seem to be apathetic about being lied to. That’s maybe a symptom of just how shit we are that it’s difficult to muster the enthusiasm to be pissed off about it.
Nick, I get what you're saying but I suspect that Terry took a very distant back seat on the footballing decision making. It's clear though that all of the assurances about budgets over recent seasons was laced with a good dose of spin (lies) which now has been debunked by the club itself. It frustrates the hell out of me and I called it two seasons ago but I think now that we finally have a manager with credentials who can be expected to get things right given the requisite support but there is an awful lot to do before we see the progress that we all want.
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Just going back to this thread, I'm really starting to lose patience with Bramall and Blunt. Baldwin has done his job well but austerity at our football club has led our team into the position it finds itself in, within touching distance of relegation to non league. People keep saying thank you to Terry and he has put up a load of his own money but the budget was drained to a bottom half League Two budget and they were claiming it was capable of challenging for promotion at this level. They've hoodwinked us as fans time and time again and we need to get to the point where enough is enough. Don't try to tell me it will all change now Blunt has gone, he was the main financier, and will have been taking orders from Terry the whole time.
Trying to run a football club like a business has us heading to the National League.
Trying to run a football club like money is no object and will magicaly appear if you spend more than you are bringing in has had a number of clubs going past the National League.
Barrow and Accrington Stanley, to name but two, don't appear to have a problem running a club like a sensibly run business.
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It's previous managers who I feel sorry for. We were led to believe they had a top 6 budget and were underperforming despite that. The truth seems to be that they weren't underperforming at all because the claim of a top 6 budget wasn't true.
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Just going back to this thread, I'm really starting to lose patience with Bramall and Blunt. Baldwin has done his job well but austerity at our football club has led our team into the position it finds itself in, within touching distance of relegation to non league. People keep saying thank you to Terry and he has put up a load of his own money but the budget was drained to a bottom half League Two budget and they were claiming it was capable of challenging for promotion at this level. They've hoodwinked us as fans time and time again and we need to get to the point where enough is enough. Don't try to tell me it will all change now Blunt has gone, he was the main financier, and will have been taking orders from Terry the whole time.
Trying to run a football club like a business has us heading to the National League.
Trying to run a football club like money is no object and will magicaly appear if you spend more than you are bringing in has had a number of clubs going past the National League.
Barrow and Accrington Stanley, to name but two, don't appear to have a problem running a club like a sensibly run business.
Nobody is suggesting we spend like Wrexham. We were told the drop in income between League One and League Two is minimal but since McCann was last here we seem to have had a gastric band fitted on our budget, it's not even been a slow transition and when that happens it means you're left at the end of a season replacing players who have left with a quarter of the budget you previously had so the quality clearly takes a knock. Then this season if the budget has increased slightly then we're trying to improve every single position with a slight increase which has led to very little change in quality of the first team, just more depth for the injury table.
Then you're comparing us with two teams that will have had steady budgets for years now, which you would assume would be smaller than ours but are doing better than us. Why do you think that is?
People thanking the board is like thanking the Tories for their management of the NHS.
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Told you all this last year. Shambles of a club, 10 years of lies and bullshit and you still lap it up.
If they told me it was raining I'd have to go out and check
Brammall is as much to blame as blunt, at any point he could have stepped in and done something.
The thing that really took the biscuit for me was blunt claiming to have the budget "to bounce back decisively "
Which was a complete lie, as it now turns out it was only the 14th best budget - in league f**king two !!!
At any point Brammall could have stepped in to do something.
They are as bad as each other, completely untrustworthy individuals who had zero accountability, and anyone who dared question them on here was insulted by the usual sycophants/shills.
Tony Sporano / Oggy Compton , if I was a betting man, which I am I’d like to bet two things,
1. You are one and the same.
2. You’re a wind up merchant who doesn’t support our team.
I bet I’m correct.
So your happy that the board lied ? And have taken us to the brink of non league ?
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Brammall is as much to blame as blunt, at any point he could have stepped in and done something.
The thing that really took the biscuit for me was blunt claiming to have the budget "to bounce back decisively "
Which was a complete lie, as it now turns out it was only the 14th best budget - in league f**king two !!!
At any point Brammall could have stepped in to do something.
They are as bad as each other, completely untrustworthy individuals who had zero accountability, and anyone who dared question them on here was insulted by the usual sycophants/shills.
Change the record
Boring hell
I suggest you wake up pal, bit Ironic that comment given the record you keep playing.
You'll still be claiming we played well when we're losing at home to ebbsfleet.
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Brammall is as much to blame as blunt, at any point he could have stepped in and done something.
The thing that really took the biscuit for me was blunt claiming to have the budget "to bounce back decisively "
Which was a complete lie, as it now turns out it was only the 14th best budget - in league f**king two !!!
At any point Brammall could have stepped in to do something.
They are as bad as each other, completely untrustworthy individuals who had zero accountability, and anyone who dared question them on here was insulted by the usual sycophants/shills.
Change the record
Boring hell
I suggest you wake up pal, bit Ironic that comment given the record you keep playing.
You'll still be claiming we played well when we're losing at home to ebbsfleet.
So, please use your wisdom and tell us what needs to happen to avoid rubbing shoulders once again with National League opposition?
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Brammall is as much to blame as blunt, at any point he could have stepped in and done something.
The thing that really took the biscuit for me was blunt claiming to have the budget "to bounce back decisively "
Which was a complete lie, as it now turns out it was only the 14th best budget - in league f**king two !!!
At any point Brammall could have stepped in to do something.
They are as bad as each other, completely untrustworthy individuals who had zero accountability, and anyone who dared question them on here was insulted by the usual sycophants/shills.
Change the record
Boring hell
I suggest you wake up pal, bit Ironic that comment given the record you keep playing.
You'll still be claiming we played well when we're losing at home to ebbsfleet.
So, please use your wisdom and tell us what needs to happen to avoid rubbing shoulders once again with National League opposition?
We need to slow the decline first, and stop signing players short term.
Build a squad with a mixture of experience and good youth with potential.
Unfortunately I think the damage is done, we've got a huge squad of which 90% are rubbish.
That money could be spent on a smaller squad of better players.
I'm aghast at how apathetic people are at how badly the clubs been ran and as a result our teetering on the precipice of non league.
I personally can forgive incompetence with well meaning, however what we've witnessed is worse.
We've had austerity and lies from blunt, which brammall is complicit in.
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Brammall is as much to blame as blunt, at any point he could have stepped in and done something.
The thing that really took the biscuit for me was blunt claiming to have the budget "to bounce back decisively "
Which was a complete lie, as it now turns out it was only the 14th best budget - in league f**king two !!!
At any point Brammall could have stepped in to do something.
They are as bad as each other, completely untrustworthy individuals who had zero accountability, and anyone who dared question them on here was insulted by the usual sycophants/shills.
Change the record
Boring hell
I suggest you wake up pal, bit Ironic that comment given the record you keep playing.
You'll still be claiming we played well when we're losing at home to ebbsfleet.
So, please use your wisdom and tell us what needs to happen to avoid rubbing shoulders once again with National League opposition?
We need to slow the decline first, and stop signing players short term.
Build a squad with a mixture of experience and good youth with potential.
Unfortunately I think the damage is done, we've got a huge squad of which 90% are rubbish.
That money could be spent on a smaller squad of better players.
I'm aghast at how apathetic people are at how badly the clubs been ran and as a result our teetering on the precipice of non league.
I personally can forgive incompetence with well meaning, however what we've witnessed is worse.
We've had austerity and lies from blunt, which brammall is complicit in.
The good news is we've already started that process. With the transfer windows as they are, to enable the transition to where we want to be, unfortunately we still have to use some short term signings. In addition not every permanent signing, particularly good youth and potential, sometimes take a little longer to adjust especially those with a stop/start season with injury.
90% of his signings are not rubbish and you know dull well, you just can't ditch contracted footballers immediately.
So, being sensible, how long should it take to achieve what you describe?
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It'll probs take 2/3 seasons. Unless tb throws money at it to pay off contracts to get rid of the dead wood.
I didn't day that 90% of his signings were rubbish
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There is only so much you can spend fretting over the past but there have been some seriously bad decisions that have brought us here - Butler being given the job when promotion was in sight, McSheffrey being given the job when relegation was avoidable, Wellens being provided with a squeezed budget, and as was acknowledged last week scrimping on budget and spending that budget terribly which has surely cost us financially significantly due to the appalling last few seasons. These were decisions taken by the hierarchy of the club that were just rank bad decisions.
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It'll probs take 2/3 seasons. Unless tb throws money at it to pay off contracts to get rid of the dead wood.
I didn't day that 90% of his signings were rubbish
I know you didn't, so the signs are his signings are generally better.
Personally, I think we missed the opportunity to really tackle the spine of the team, particularly with the gaping hole in the centre of midfield. However, we have to understand that McCann had to assess how our contracted players Anderson, Olowu, Long, Wood, Rowe, Close, Westbrooke, Miller, Taylor, Moly, Hurst etc, would stand up to the rigours of League Two football. He's obviously got the answer now.
Unfortunately that spine, including the gaping hole, will more likely be tackled in the summer. I'm sure we'd all love it if McCann could go out and sign a marquee midfielder from another club now as that would be a real statement of intent however, being realistic, we need to get rid of some first.
We can't keep going round in circles about the past when, from what we can see, McCann has been given support in making the changes we need. Of course, we haven't really seen the full benefit on the pitch yet.
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Support, yes, but how many marquee signings did we get in the summer? Ironside?
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Support, yes, but how many marquee signings did we get in the summer? Ironside?
Exactly. That's what I said, we didn't really fully tackle the spine of the team.
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For our level there’s an argument to say Richard Wood was a marquee signing. He’s spent his career performing very well above this level.
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For our level there’s an argument to say Richard Wood was a marquee signing. He’s spent his career performing very well above this level.
Yes, Jonathan although I think Wood was more of a short term 'steady the ship' experienced type signing who could have had that positive effect on the back four, as well as galvanising the rest of the team.
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I expected Woods to have a "Rob Jones" effect on the team.