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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on January 11, 2024, 08:31:10 pm
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This could get very nasty, very quickly.
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Apparently Starmer and John Healey (Shadow Defence Sec and next MP for Conisbrough and Denaby) are being briefed in the Privy Council on developments. Which suggests it's getting serious.
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Perfect time to have an upcoming holiday to the middle east I'd say.... :chair:
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This is the big game panning out after the Hamas 7 Oct attack.
I was certain at the time that was the context of those attacks. Aimed at lighting the tinder box, so Iran and its proxies could do Putin's bidding and try to hit the West's interests.
Buckle up now.
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Sky News just broadcast the Pentagon Press Conference, not even mentioned.
Any action thought to be 'several days off' rather than imminent according to 'sources'.
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I guess that's why Israel's attack should have been more precise/restrained instead of trying to kill everyone in gaza.
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I guess that's why Israel's attack should have been more precise instead of trying to kill everyone in gaza.
It makes bugger all difference. This is nothing whatsoever to do with the poor f**kers in Gaza. They are just pawns.
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I guess that's why Israel's attack should have been more precise instead of trying to kill everyone in gaza.
It makes bugger all difference. This is nothing whatsoever to do with the poor f**kers in Gaza. They are just pawns.
I understand that but it doesn't justify it, does it.
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I guess that's why Israel's attack should have been more precise instead of trying to kill everyone in gaza.
It makes bugger all difference. This is nothing whatsoever to do with the poor f**kers in Gaza. They are just pawns.
I understand that but it doesn't justify it, does it.
Then why raise it?
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Because it needs repeating, Hamas were in the wrong now Israel are in the wrong, it goes on. The result possible major conflict. Israel and the US should have found another way.
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Houthis keep poking the bear, at some point the bear reacts, they’ve had fair warning about attacking ships in the Red Sea but have ignored them, they are now about to pay the price for that
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Carpet bomb the whole of f**kin Yemen where these attacks are being launched from. Twice over. Scorched earth policy. The leader of the Houthis has said that this is all about their faith and support for Gaza . They want conflict. It’s a way of self vindication. Give em what they want I say. And don’t spare the lead.
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This could get very nasty, very quickly.
Calm down, it'll be a few precision strikes, and beefing up of security in the red sea.
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Carpet bomb the whole of f**kin Yemen where these attacks are being launched from. Twice over. Scorched earth policy. The leader of the Houthis has said that this is all about their faith and support for Gaza . They want conflict. It’s a way of self vindication. Give em what they want I say. And don’t spare the lead.
Gosh, I'm sure you protested that you were not an extremist nr?
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I guess that's why Israel's attack should have been more precise instead of trying to kill everyone in gaza.
It makes bugger all difference. This is nothing whatsoever to do with the poor f**kers in Gaza. They are just pawns.
Of course this is to do with the “poor f**kers” in Gaza.
The wanton killing by Israel of civilians in Gaza is fuel to the fire of every anti-West organisation in the Middle-East.
We will now witness the proliferation of this conflict, dragging in more parties including the UK.
Israel have been allowed to inflict appalling devastation on the civilian population of Gaza and now we will get dragged into the consequences of that action.
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Carpet bomb the whole of f**kin Yemen where these attacks are being launched from. Twice over. Scorched earth policy. The leader of the Houthis has said that this is all about their faith and support for Gaza . They want conflict. It’s a way of self vindication. Give em what they want I say. And don’t spare the lead.
Yep, that should sort it!
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Carpet bomb the whole of f**kin Yemen where these attacks are being launched from. Twice over. Scorched earth policy. The leader of the Houthis has said that this is all about their faith and support for Gaza . They want conflict. It’s a way of self vindication. Give em what they want I say. And don’t spare the lead.
Yeah let's bomb another middle eastern country into dust. It hasn't helped the last few dozen times we've tried it but normal rules has got a good feeling about this next one.
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I guess that's why Israel's attack should have been more precise instead of trying to kill everyone in gaza.
It makes bugger all difference. This is nothing whatsoever to do with the poor f**kers in Gaza. They are just pawns.
Of course this is to do with the “poor f**kers” in Gaza.
The wanton killing by Israel of civilians in Gaza is fuel to the fire of every anti-West organisation in the Middle-East.
We will now witness the proliferation of this conflict, dragging in more parties including the UK.
Israel have been allowed to inflict appalling devastation on the civilian population of Gaza and now we will get dragged into the consequences of that action.
Pancho.
My point is that Iran, backed by Russia wants escalation in the Middle East. Which is why they are supporting the Houthi action.
The war in Gaza is a fig leaf for that. Iran and Moscow don't give a f**k about the Palestinians. When Hamas attacked, it was inevitable that there'd be a reaction by Israel, and Iran and Russia use that to stir agitation among people in the West. They WANT that because their ultimate aim is to weaken the West.
Yes, Israel's response helps them, but don't kid yourself. If Israel had responded by dropping rose petals on Gaza, Iran and Russia would have found a way to paint it as an overreaction.
What IS happening in Gaza is horrific. No question. But there is a far, far bigger game going on here. The Gaza Palestinians are being sacrificed by states who don't care about them and are prepared to use them for their bigger purposes.
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Carpet bomb the whole of f**kin Yemen where these attacks are being launched from. Twice over. Scorched earth policy. The leader of the Houthis has said that this is all about their faith and support for Gaza . They want conflict. It’s a way of self vindication. Give em what they want I say. And don’t spare the lead.
Gosh, I'm sure you protested that you were not an extremist nr?
Are the Israelis extremists for standing up against terrorism?
The Houthi rebels are trying to bully a global shipping lane.
Only one way to deal with bullies I’m afraid. Besides, they will be expecting it.
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Here we go then:
In the early hours of this morning, jets from a US aircraft carrier already in the region - backed up by a tomahawk fired from US warships hit more than 12 sites - including in the capital Sanaa and the port of Hudaydah.
The US said support for the strikes was provided by Australia, Bahrain, Canada and the Netherlands. The UK took part.
Four Typhoon jets flew from RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus - a round trip of several thousand miles - which required refuelling. They used paveway bombs to hit 2 targets – a site said to be used for launching drones and an airfield from where the Houthis have fired missiles.
In a statement soon after the strikes, Rishi Sunak said Britain would always stand up for the freedom of navigation and the free flow of trade.
President Biden defended the action saying the strikes were in direct response to unprecedented Houthi attacks against international shipping.
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NR is right, we have to stand up to it, actions must have consequences and this shipping is vital for us as a country these days.
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We wouldn’t have the lives we do today without our ancestors standing up for themselves and showing strength
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Perfect time to have an upcoming holiday to the middle east I'd say.... :chair:
I live and work in Dhahran Saudi Arabia. Not concerned. Its a couple of years since our last scud attack here. Nice they are pointing in a diffrent direction for once.
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NR is right, we have to stand up to it, actions must have consequences and this shipping is vital for us as a country these days.
Gosh, it's not what you said when putin marched into Ukraine, is it pud?
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HMS Diamond was attacked by Houthis a couple of days ago, that in itself is an act of War by them, the Houthis started this in the Red Sea, they now suffer the consequences
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They were warned two weeks ago to stop attacking cargo ships.
They didn’t stop.
Uk and us ships were there in a passive defensive role shooting down missiles and drones only.
But then to go and attack the US destroyer is crossing the big red line. And the first reported use of anti ship ballistic missile would not have gone un noticed.
Whilst my initial comment about carpet bombing may have seemed a little extreme, the UK RAF use of Paveway IV bombs are equally devastating. The US are reporting 60 sites were hit this morning. With 100 precision missiles. Paveway bombs have a lethal radius of 400m and a very damaging radius of 800m. A couple of these alone would flatten your average military airbase. Killing most within it.
If the Houthis don’t stop, then there will be even more large areas of scorched earth in Yemen.
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May as well get rid of Mi6 and all embassies in mid east if nobody saw this coming. It will save a lot of money.
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I guess that's why Israel's attack should have been more precise instead of trying to kill everyone in gaza.
It makes bugger all difference. This is nothing whatsoever to do with the poor f**kers in Gaza. They are just pawns.
Of course this is to do with the “poor f**kers” in Gaza.
The wanton killing by Israel of civilians in Gaza is fuel to the fire of every anti-West organisation in the Middle-East.
We will now witness the proliferation of this conflict, dragging in more parties including the UK.
Israel have been allowed to inflict appalling devastation on the civilian population of Gaza and now we will get dragged into the consequences of that action.
Pancho.
My point is that Iran, backed by Russia wants escalation in the Middle East. Which is why they are supporting the Houthi action.
The war in Gaza is a fig leaf for that. Iran and Moscow don't give a f**k about the Palestinians. When Hamas attacked, it was inevitable that there'd be a reaction by Israel, and Iran and Russia use that to stir agitation among people in the West. They WANT that because their ultimate aim is to weaken the West.
Yes, Israel's response helps them, but don't kid yourself. If Israel had responded by dropping rose petals on Gaza, Iran and Russia would have found a way to paint it as an overreaction.
What IS happening in Gaza is horrific. No question. But there is a far, far bigger game going on here. The Gaza Palestinians are being sacrificed by states who don't care about them and are prepared to use them for their bigger purposes.
I understand your point better now that you've expanded on it BST.
I was simply disagreeing with your statement that "this is nothing whatsoever to do with the poor f**kers in Gaza".
I've just listened to Jeremy Bowen, for whom I have a great deal of respect in terms of his knowledge of the Middle East and the various actors there.
He 'knows' the Houthis. He said they have stated clearly that if there was a ceasefire in Gaza, and meaningful aid was allowed in, then they would stop their attacks on shipping in the Red Sea.
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It's a very dangerous situation netanyahu desperate to stay out of jail, a PM o=in election year where a major distraction for the electorate would be a **dsend and the US president looking a bit shaky.
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NR is right, we have to stand up to it, actions must have consequences and this shipping is vital for us as a country these days.
Gosh, it's not what you said when putin marched into Ukraine, is it pud?
Last I checked, the Ukrainians weren't attacking civilians in international waters as far as I can remember. The UK has had a responsibility for middle east shipping for decades, it's nothing new.
Quite rightly both the government and opposition agree with the strikes btw!
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May as well get rid of Mi6 and all embassies in mid east if nobody saw this coming. It will save a lot of money.
Syd when are the freeloaders of your country going to put their shoulders to the Cart?
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NR is right, we have to stand up to it, actions must have consequences and this shipping is vital for us as a country these days.
Gosh, it's not what you said when putin marched into Ukraine, is it pud?
Last I checked, the Ukrainians weren't attacking civilians in international waters as far as I can remember. The UK has had a responsibility for middle east shipping for decades, it's nothing new.
Quite rightly both the government and opposition agree with the strikes btw!
So if I understand correctly you wanted the Ukraine to give it up because of you and your family but ok with an attack on the houthis over trade regardless of whether it results in a larger conflict? And remember everyone was warning that the Israel attack would produce exactly this?
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Genuinely Sydney I have no idea what you're on about. Why would I want Ukraine to give anything up? I've been pretty clear Ukraine should be fighting the Russians. I think you might be mistaking me for someone else.
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NR is right, we have to stand up to it, actions must have consequences and this shipping is vital for us as a country these days.
Gosh, it's not what you said when putin marched into Ukraine, is it pud?
Last I checked, the Ukrainians weren't attacking civilians in international waters as far as I can remember. The UK has had a responsibility for middle east shipping for decades, it's nothing new.
Quite rightly both the government and opposition agree with the strikes btw!
So if I understand correctly you wanted the Ukraine to give it up because of you and your family but ok with an attack on the houthis over trade regardless of whether it results in a larger conflict? And remember everyone was warning that the Israel attack would produce exactly this?
Try to see the bigger picture. Billy is pointing you towards it.
You’re advocating for a world that simply doesn’t exist.
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Genuinely Sydney I have no idea what you're on about. Why would I want Ukraine to give anything up? I've been pretty clear Ukraine should be fighting the Russians. I think you might be mistaking me for someone else.
The conversation was drifting to some big ifs, if putin threatened the nuclear option, comment #626 and #637 and look at the date.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=283806.600
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Any news reports from Yemen yet showing bodies of Women and children we killed?
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It's pretty obvious the two aren't comparable. You're a bit mental trawling through two years of posts to find a crazy extreme example.
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It's pretty obvious the two aren't comparable. You're a bit mental trawling through two years of posts to find a crazy extreme example.
I just remember important things people say is all pud.
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Pancho, just watched part of Israel's response in court by Tal Becker, IF what he showed and said is true and his videos backed him up, Hamas has killed as many of their own people in Gaza with Booby trapped buildings and an estimated two thousand misfired rockets and friendly fire as the Israeli's occupying force.
To be honest that is more likely to be true as Hamas are fanatical but a military rabble compared with Israel's forces, and as time goes on will be losing lots of their better fighters who probably have already been irradiated as a functional frontal threat being reduced now to just a sporadic raiding party who themselves are taking a beating.
Now the Yanks and us have had time to use satellite images to identify the Houthi launch and command sites they will be hit hard, and the interesting part will be Iran, will they once again jib at coming over the hill with the cavalry which I think the Yanks want now rather than later.
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It's pretty obvious the two aren't comparable. You're a bit mental trawling through two years of posts to find a crazy extreme example.
I just remember important things people say is all pud.
Yep, I'm glad for you remembering I don't want a nuclear war, how bizarre!
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Just seen Corbyn’s take on it. Jesus wept.
“Military action in Yemen by the UK & US government is a reckless act of escalation that will only cause more death and suffering.
It is utterly disgraceful that Parliament has not even been consulted.
When will we learn from our mistakes and realise that war is not the answer?”
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It's pretty obvious the two aren't comparable. You're a bit mental trawling through two years of posts to find a crazy extreme example.
I just remember important things people say is all pud.
Yep, I'm glad for you remembering I don't want a nuclear war, how bizarre!
At the first mention of nuclear war you dropped your pants pud, I think that is closer to the truth.
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So, if anyone can convince me that the western world hasn't stood by and watched Israel treat the Palestinians as dogs in their own country for years and this scenario wasn't predictable, I'll be all ears.
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So, if anyone can convince me that the western world hasn't stood by and watched Israel treat the Palestinians as dogs in their own country for years and this scenario wasn't predictable, I'll be all ears.
This scenario was not predictable!
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I make the distinction between hamas and Palestinian quite clearly before this statement but anyone who has any sympathy for Hamas needs to look at themselves
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May as well get rid of Mi6 and all embassies in mid east if nobody saw this coming. It will save a lot of money.
What makes you think nobody saw this coming? Boats being attacked in the Middle East in nothing new. MI6’s job is to gather intelligence to influence/ steer decision making around the world for events such as this. This didn’t just happen overnight with some buttons being pressed.
And as an aside, there is a chance that the laser guided missiles will have had “on the ground” target acquisition by SF troops. Meaning this was probably some days/ weeks in the planning. And I also note that Australians were involved in this too, albeit in a command centre role.
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I wonder whether Sunak had the balls to mention a Uk/Usa Trade Deal before agreeing to do as he was told?
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It's pretty obvious the two aren't comparable. You're a bit mental trawling through two years of posts to find a crazy extreme example.
I just remember important things people say is all pud.
'Tie me kangaroo down sport....' What's that all about Sydney?
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It's pretty obvious the two aren't comparable. You're a bit mental trawling through two years of posts to find a crazy extreme example.
I just remember important things people say is all pud.
'Tie me kangaroo down sport....' What's that all about Sydney?
Sydders needs to stop playing about with his Didgeridoo!
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I find it incredible we can police the Red Sea, but not the English Channel.
I’ll get my popcorn and await the usual responses.
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I find it incredible we can police the Red Sea, but not the English Channel.
I’ll get my popcorn and await the usual responses.
Spot on, but of course they need the boats coming across, they need more low skilled workers and minions to prop up the whole economy/pyramid scheme.
So the don't really want to stop the boats, same with America.
Of course the problem now is, there is literally nothing to stop a bunch of terrorists getting to us.
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Carpet bomb the whole of f**kin Yemen where these attacks are being launched from. Twice over. Scorched earth policy. The leader of the Houthis has said that this is all about their faith and support for Gaza . They want conflict. It’s a way of self vindication. Give em what they want I say. And don’t spare the lead.
What a sicko.
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Carpet bomb the whole of f**kin Yemen where these attacks are being launched from. Twice over. Scorched earth policy. The leader of the Houthis has said that this is all about their faith and support for Gaza . They want conflict. It’s a way of self vindication. Give em what they want I say. And don’t spare the lead.
Gosh, I'm sure you protested that you were not an extremist nr?
Are the Israelis extremists for standing up against terrorism?
The Houthi rebels are trying to bully a global shipping lane.
Only one way to deal with bullies I’m afraid. Besides, they will be expecting it.
Israel - an occupying force. Murdered tens of thousands, incarcerated more, stole land, homes, destroyed possessions. Who is the bully?
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I find it incredible we can police the Red Sea, but not the English Channel.
I’ll get my popcorn and await the usual responses.
Last time I checked channel migrants weren’t launching drone strikes on navy and cargo ships
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I find it incredible we can police the Red Sea, but not the English Channel.
I’ll get my popcorn and await the usual responses.
What a coincidence. So does the far-right Paul Embery.
https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1745553148947607663
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Carpet bomb the whole of f**kin Yemen where these attacks are being launched from. Twice over. Scorched earth policy. The leader of the Houthis has said that this is all about their faith and support for Gaza . They want conflict. It’s a way of self vindication. Give em what they want I say. And don’t spare the lead.
What a sicko.
Tell the uk and us govts. Because that’s essentially what they did last night. Note my use of the words “where these attacks took place from”.,targeted strikes. Military bases. Ammo dumps. Control centres.
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Carpet bomb the whole of f**kin Yemen where these attacks are being launched from. Twice over. Scorched earth policy. The leader of the Houthis has said that this is all about their faith and support for Gaza . They want conflict. It’s a way of self vindication. Give em what they want I say. And don’t spare the lead.
What a sicko.
Tell the uk and us govts. Because that’s essentially what they did last night. Note my use of the words “where these attacks took place from”.,targeted strikes. Military bases. Ammo dumps. Control centres.
Targetted strikes is one thing, you expressed the desire for carpet bombing, scorched earth.
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Pancho, just watched part of Israel's response in court by Tal Becker, IF what he showed and said is true and his videos backed him up, Hamas has killed as many of their own people in Gaza with Booby trapped buildings and an estimated twenty thousand misfired rockets and friendly fire as the Israeli's occupying force.
To be honest that is more likely to be true as Hamas are fanatical but a military rabble compared with Israel's forces, and as time goes on will be losing lots of their better fighters who probably have already been irradiated as a functional frontal threat being reduced now to just a sporadic raiding party who themselves are taking a beating.
Now the Yanks and us have had time to use satellite images to identify the Houthi launch and command sites they will be hit hard, and the interesting part will be Iran, will they once again jib at coming over the hill with the cavalry which I think the Yanks want now rather than later.
Israeli evidence in Gaza has so far proved flakey at best - eg the massive tunnel next to the hospital that turned out to be water stprage I think. Israel has been able to get away with murder for many decades with the support of the US and other nations. Israel has a problem with feeding a very large and influential psycho mentality of ultra Zionists. Like ultra spoilt kids growing up, they have gone too far and it is payback time. That may be a little slap in being told that their genocide must stop, it may go further. They should have learned from Willie Wonka.
The US is playing with fire by spreading it's involvement in the Middle East. It tends not to work out well for them. There is a vast amoiunt of hatred for them stored there. Add the Taiwan issue into the mix and we are on the edge of a world war here.
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Carpet bomb the whole of f**kin Yemen where these attacks are being launched from. Twice over. Scorched earth policy. The leader of the Houthis has said that this is all about their faith and support for Gaza . They want conflict. It’s a way of self vindication. Give em what they want I say. And don’t spare the lead.
What a sicko.
Tell the uk and us govts. Because that’s essentially what they did last night. Note my use of the words “where these attacks took place from”.,targeted strikes. Military bases. Ammo dumps. Control centres.
Targetted strikes is one thing, you expressed the desire for carpet bombing, scorched earth.
You might want to research the destructive effect of Paveway IV missiles. I’d say they create scorched earth. In a pretty big radius. Carpet bombing in all but name. My use of it was more of an emotional reference. Since 1977 carpet bomb ing has been outlawed. It’s very much against the Geneva convention . But I’m Happy to support flattening every single military site that is involved in attacking ships in the Red Sea.
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The Islamist extremist ideological defence mechanism is always conveniently along the lines of:
“let us do what we want or there’ll be more of us”.
And some in the west lap it up
Weakness ultimately creates more war because like all things in life, if you don’t stand up yourself you get taken advantage of
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The Islamist extremist ideological defence mechanism is always conveniently along the lines of:
“let us do what we want or there’ll be more of us”.
And some in the west lap it up
Weakness ultimately creates more war because like all things in life, if you don’t stand up yourself you get taken advantage of
Are you referring to Palestinians needing to stand up against Israeli occupation? Or the US standing up against.... not sure what.
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Looks like the ‘Hooters’ fire a drone at a Russian blockade runner, pity we shot it down, but it gave us the green light to give em another Pummelling
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Looks like the ‘Hooters’ fire a drone at a Russian blockade runner, pity we shot it down, but it gave us the green light to give em another Pummelling
What could possibly go wrong... I mean after all the success we have had in the Middle East & Asia in recent years, Syria, Libya, Afganistan, Iraq...
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I guess that's why Israel's attack should have been more precise/restrained instead of trying to kill everyone in gaza.
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Your first point on a subject about Muslims hijacking ships is to make it anti Israel. To not denounce what the houthis are doing, to not denounce what hammas did in Oct, to not denounce the hiding of tunnels in hospitals and schools. Says it all. Gary Liniker 2.0 here
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Could you imagine the moral outrage and disgust when BNP and EDL chant their disgusting slogans during a protest....oh wait, there is outrage and lots of arrests
Could you imagine the outrage if during a peotest people are calling for more ships to be attacked by terrorist....oh wait, there wasn't
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Meanwhile the US and UK are complicit in the Israeli genocide actions where tens of thousands are being murdered but will protect their precious cargo in the Red Sea by significant military action.
Kinda displays the values of our overseers.
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Could you imagine the moral outrage and disgust when BNP and EDL chant their disgusting slogans during a protest....oh wait, there is outrage and lots of arrests
Could you imagine the outrage if during a peotest people are calling for more ships to be attacked by terrorist....oh wait, there wasn't
I think the protest was about the Israel/Palestine conflict in Gaza wasn't it? The attack on Yemen was unrelated to what is happening in Gaza - Sunak said so today - so no idea why you mentioned it. Unless you don't believe Sunak?
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Wilts.
The chant of choice at many Stop the War rallies at the moment is "Yemen, Yemen, make us proud. Turn another ship around"
Which, apart from being sick, betrays a total lack of understanding of who the Houthis are. They aren't "Yemen". The legitimate Yemeni government is fighting them.
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Wilts.
The chant of choice at many Stop the War rallies at the moment is "Yemen, Yemen, make us proud. Turn another ship around"
Which, apart from being sick, betrays a total lack of understanding of who the Houthis are. They aren't "Yemen". The legitimate Yemeni government is fighting them.
Just like the legitimate Palestinian government is fighting the Zionist colonialists.
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I made an error above - the US and UK weren't protecting their cargo, they were protecting Israeli cargo. Since that intervention - bombing - they have made far more cargo, and lives, targets.
They have also made the problem much bigger. Oil likely now not able to go through the Red Sea. But that's okay, the US can export more liquid gas to Europe. Self interests? It is a bit too obvious isn't it?
Anyway, well see how the US/UK change if international law makes them stop facilitating Israeli violence. Could be they apologise to the Houthis when they realise who is on the right side of history. That and they force Israel to end the murdering, and all normal shipping will resume.
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Wilts.
The chant of choice at many Stop the War rallies at the moment is "Yemen, Yemen, make us proud. Turn another ship around"
Which, apart from being sick, betrays a total lack of understanding of who the Houthis are. They aren't "Yemen". The legitimate Yemeni government is fighting them.
Just like the legitimate Palestinian government is fighting the Zionist colonialists.
Aren’t legitimate Ukrainians fighting Russian imperialists?
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Wilts.
The chant of choice at many Stop the War rallies at the moment is "Yemen, Yemen, make us proud. Turn another ship around"
Which, apart from being sick, betrays a total lack of understanding of who the Houthis are. They aren't "Yemen". The legitimate Yemeni government is fighting them.
Just like the legitimate Palestinian government is fighting the Zionist colonialists.
Aren’t legitimate Ukrainians fighting Russian imperialists?
Kinda, tho there's a significant US/EU factor in there too which messes up the issue, as you know. There's also a significant US factor in the Palestine occupation by Israel, again, as you know.
The Issue in Yemen is likewise involving the US, and again linked in with supporting Israeli colonialism/genocide.