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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on January 13, 2024, 05:30:02 pm
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We are in trouble, that was utter shite and you just knew what would happen
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One shot on target them. Result poor but the performance wasn’t horrendous.
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One shot on target them. Result poor but the performance wasn’t horrendous.
What game did you watch!? Its arguably the worst performance of the season.
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One shot on target them. Result poor but the performance wasn’t horrendous.
What game did you watch!? Its arguably the worst performance of the season.
Now this is a joke of a comment.
One of the worst results for us but not performance.
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In terms of recruitment, the lad from Spurs was anonymous today and got in the way more than he contributed. McGrath and Waters look good business.
Moly also poor. Ironside was good today with his hold up play but the midfield and everyone else was moving the ball too slow and looked short of ideas. I thought McCann was an attacking manager?
In terms of chances though - a bit unlucky?
But switching off at the end is unforgivable. We can all concentrate for a full working week but the Rovers defence can’t for 8 mins of stoppage time.
We’ve managed to lose to a team actively time wasting to try get a 0-0.
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One shot on target them. Result poor but the performance wasn’t horrendous.
What game did you watch!? Its arguably the worst performance of the season.
WTF?
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OMG im out on this thread.
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Agree with above, result was terrible, performance wasn't the worst. Some positives in McGrath and Waters looking good, Bailey looked solid as per. Jones had a good game.
Moly however, had a shocker.
Also credit to Newports defense, they made it hard for us to break down
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Yep that’s me done for this season!! Utter garbage!!
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We are in trouble, that was utter shite and you just knew what would happen
I left when the board went up for 8mins and was about 1/4 mile away and still heard their handful of fans cheer… yet another shocking performance !!
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Wow sum people not sure what they are wanting,yes poor result and we wasn’t great but Christ we had 3 new players in today but was no where near the worst performance of the season,if those who think it was can’t have been many.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
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Yep that’s me done for this season!! Utter garbage!!
Good, Bye
:byebye:
COYR
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
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It wasn’t the worst performance (so far!) this season but it was a very poor performance nonetheless. It was dismal, low energy, ponderous, disjointed and incoherent all over pitch. A very small number of moments where it did look like we wanted to attack but in general it was a yawnfest.
And I don’t think anyone was shocked that we conceded late on tbh.
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It was just a very boring game overall between 2 poor league 2 sides. Made worse by all the stop starting and drab atmosphere in the ground.
Matches are getting as dull as last season sadly.
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Wow sum people not sure what they are wanting,yes poor result and we wasn’t great but Christ we had 3 new players in today but was no where near the worst performance of the season,if those who think it was can’t have been many.
its Results that’s all we want sod performances !!!
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The performance was ok.
But what is really annoying is when they scored, we suddenly found another gear and created 3 chances straight away Where has this gear been all season? Our players are toothless at times.
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It was a boring goalless draw which we managed to turn into a defeat at the end.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
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The performance was ok.
But what is really annoying is when they scored, we suddenly found another gear and created 3 chances straight away Where has this gear been all season? Our players are toothless at times.
Really ? Did you know it was 12 minutes before we got into their box in the second Half and their keeper mad only one save all throughout the game !! Oh and we lost 0-1 .
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Terrible is an overstatement.
I'd substitute it with underwhelming.
Or perhaps predictable. Both in terms of Rovers play and as the game wore on, the outcome.
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I thought Craig did alright as well. Must be difficult coming into that midfield for your first EFL appearance.
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On the balance of play were we the better side? Yes. But come on, overall the performance was rubbish.
One of the dullest games of the season.
Lethargic, low energy and ponderous in possession. Didn't do enough to win it, and when that happens you leave yourself open to a sucker punch.
Newport weren't even trying hard to win, they wasted time and looked content to take a 0-0. And we still somehow managed to f**king lose.
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That was, without doubt one of the worst performances of the season, there was no hunger, lacked urgency, ideas, played (yet again) like a team of strangers, slow & laboured, hopefull long balls, total lack of movement in midfield, Awful, just awful.
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Christ there are some weak stomachs on this forum tonight.
Where’s yer fight, that you’re asking from the team?
‘That’s it from me for the season’
Jesus wept, you weak get!
‘Worst performance’ really? You can’t have watched many games since the fateful corner from Charlie Mulgrew ended with Anderson getting knocked out, and almost 3 years of horror.
Get a grip and get behind YOUR team cos they need it now!
By the way, how we didn’t win that with a standard goal in each half I don’t know.
Their keeper (only saw it once) I’m sure turned his back on Ironside’s shot which clips his arm and hits the bar.
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3 times we had a throw in level with their box and three time it ended back with Jones, we are shit at throw ins
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The performance was ok.
But what is really annoying is when they scored, we suddenly found another gear and created 3 chances straight away Where has this gear been all season? Our players are toothless at times.
Where has it been for the first 90 odd minutes was what I asked myself.
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Newport did what most teams have done this season, set off the game in a higher gear than us for the first ten minutes, held us at arms length until the last ten minutes, and them put the ball into the box or if we had it used the tactical foul and stopped the game when we got up field.
None of our midfield played well, created next to nothing and were once again easy to play through, the defence not put under a lot of pressure until the last few minutes but that was enough for the usual bollock a game.
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We are not shit at throw ins, the problem is a combination of urgency and movement. The whole teams movement is really really really poor, in any situation, the only player making darting runs and finding space today was the new player Craig.
This lack of movement leads to passing around the back, then trying to hit a worldie pass because the crowd gets annoyed.
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Against a team in EIGHTEENTH we come up with the most ponderous, least energetic performances of the season. At no point were we under much threat, the 2 chances we did get were easier to score and we STILL got beat. Can I just point out that if you don't score at home to a less than mediocre team in the bottom league of English football it is in fact one of the worst performances of the season. We have not lost to a team as bad as Newport this season. They even tried to waste time to earn a point and came away with 3! Ridiculous. McCanns comments can only be to protect the new lads because Mcgrath and Waters were the only positives from the game. They were very good. Still aiming for the playoffs? Do me a favour.
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One shot on target them. Result poor but the performance wasn’t horrendous.
Your deluded if you don't think it was a bad performance.
For large parts of the game Newport were camped in our half , Newport! And they are awful.
We resorted to hoofball as per usual, and only showed urgency for 5 minutes after they scored.
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We are playing with 10 men when Broadbent plays.
Someone please tell me what he brings to the table.
He can’t run, can’t pass, can’t tackle, can’t head the ball.
What is it that he does well?
I seriously don’t see how he gets in the team ahead of Biggins and yes Biggins is not great in any games and is average in only a few games.
But he does have a goal in him and he gets more involved than Broadbent.
Not sure what GM saw in him that decided we should sign him and pay a fee.
Box to box attacking midfielder. Yes that’s how he was described.
Has anyone seen that from him?
Not scored one goal yet and is not likely to score as very rarely shoots and when he does it’s like a back pass to the opposing keeper.
We need much better if we are going to get out of this league at the right end. Much better.
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Maybe he'll come good in time, but I have to say, at the moment I'm struggling to see what McCann saw in Broadbent to go as far as paying a transfer fee to bring him here.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
We threw on everyone we could before lost 1-0 . So when you loose to a team who just harried ,fought and just showed that they wanted something other than a point It’s fair to say they got what their tactics earned . So results that get you into the playoffs or top of the League or missing from 3 yards out gets you 3 points !! Our results show that either players are not upto it or McCann can’t do this for us !!
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
Does it never occur to you that you've spent the season saying "We made good chances and didn't take them"?
Don't you think there's a conclusion to be drawn?
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
Does it never occur to you that you've spent the season saying "We made good chances and didn't take them"?
Don't you think there's a conclusion to be drawn?
I haven’t, you’re just making it up.
The fact is the last two games we should’ve won as created a lot more chances than the opposition
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
Does it never occur to you that you've spent the season saying "We made good chances and didn't take them"?
Don't you think there's a conclusion to be drawn?
I haven’t, you’re just making it up.
The fact is the last two games we should’ve won as created a lot more chances than the opposition
We were second best at Harrogate. We didn’t deserve to win.
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As for Ironside's three great chances today.
First one: The number 5 got back and nicked the ball from him.
Second one: He's having to snatch at a ball that's behind him and he's off balance.
Third one: he has taken the ball down very well but has to rush a shot as a defender closes him down.
None of them were "How the f**k did he miss that?" chances.
None of them were as clear cut as the chance for the Newport goal, with a striker with a yard of space stepping onto a ball coming across him.
The reason we are where we are is that, consistently, the opposition create better chances than we do, and their defence denied our strikers space and time better than ours does.
We are a very poor football side, on the verge of a serious relegation dogfight.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
Does it never occur to you that you've spent the season saying "We made good chances and didn't take them"?
Don't you think there's a conclusion to be drawn?
I haven’t, you’re just making it up.
The fact is the last two games we should’ve won as created a lot more chances than the opposition
We were second best at Harrogate. We didn’t deserve to win.
I think for 65 mins we were the better side.
Even weaver stated that in his press conference.
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As for Ironside's three great chances today.
First one: The number 5 got back and nicked the ball from him.
Second one: He's having to snatch at a ball that's behind him and he's off balance.
Third one: he has taken the ball down very well but has to rush a shot as a defender closes him down.
None of them were "How the f**k did he miss that?" chances.
None of them were as clear cut as the chance for the Newport goal, with a striker with a yard of space stepping onto a ball coming across him.
The reason we are where we are is that, consistently, the opposition create better chances than we do, and their defence denied our strikers space and time better than ours does.
We are a very poor football side, on the verge of a serious relegation dogfight.
The first two Ironside chances were definite “how did he not score there” kind of chances.
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And that, Dickos, is exactly what I'd expect from you. You ALWAYS over inflate the quality of our play and of our chances.
I'll say again: For the first chance, the defender did superbly to make up ground and Nick the ball away. It was an air shot from Ironside precisely because he never got a chance to make contact. By the time the ball had reached him, the defender had got in.
Do you actually not see these things? It would explains lot.
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Billy
I don’t know if you’ve ever played the game buti doubt it the defender got there but he shouldn’t have and the second chance he’s 3 yards out with a clear shot at goal, it’s irrelevant if he’s falling.
Anyway I know you won’t stop, let’s just agree to disagree.
For me both those chances would be scored 8 times out of 10.
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Dickos.
Watch the video again. Ironside isn't dawdling. He's having to wait for the ball to reach him before he can shoot. The defender gets back and nicks it away. Literally, the only way Ironside gets to that ball before the defender is if he leg grows a foot longer.
Having played the game or not is irrelevant. It's just a question of using your eyes.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Two good saves from their keeper - if either had gone in the result would have been different.
Very disappointing to lose to a late goal, but nowhere near our worst performance.
Neither side got going today, it was a poor match.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Two good saves from their keeper - if either had gone in the result would have been different.
Very disappointing to lose to a late goal, but nowhere near our worst performance.
Neither side got going today, it was a poor match.
That is a fair assessment of todays game Pancho.
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I say it every other week on here and have do for the last couple of years. The more possession we have the less likely we are to win. When we hade lots of the ball like we did yesterday we don’t have the quality to score/create against teams playing a low block when there are men in close proximity and time and space are limited.
Our better results and performances (generally) come against teams that want the ball and we can play off that, nick it back and counter into the spaces.
Yesterday was a prime example. We fell into Newports trap. They let us have the ball, we didn’t control the game as such because we were doing what Newport wanted us to do, it wasn’t through our quality.
Football teams at our level could add most value by realising how games are going to play out structurally, how the opposition want the game to pan out and modelling how likely they are to be on the end of a positive result under those specific set of circumstances. So many teams put themselves at a disadvantage playing the way THEY want to play. In summary I’d certain teams do their plan A well against certain teams, you are playing into the oppositions strengths. Spotting where that may happen is key to the betting stuff I do. It’s where a lot of the unpredictability comes from in football. Styles make fights.
Eg yesterday, Newport want as little possession as possible. They are a bigger threat without it than they are with it. Does the game play out differently if we sit in deep and just let them dominate the ball and try and counter? Probably. Their game plan is then obsolete and they don’t have players with the technical ability to create and dominate in that situation.
It’s not just us that fall into this trap. Most teams do really but the better sides are good enough to still do well.
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Poor yesterday but not the worst we’ve played. Our only outlet seemed to be molyneux who they did a job on.
The new lads looked decent, I had to double check when I saw the comments about Broadbent he was so anonymous, can’t understand why he started after Biggins had had a few decent games
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I say it every other week on here and have do for the last couple of years. The more possession we have the less likely we are to win. When we hade lots of the ball like we did yesterday we don’t have the quality to score/create against teams playing a low block when there are men in close proximity and time and space are limited.
Our better results and performances (generally) come against teams that want the ball and we can play off that, nick it back and counter into the spaces.
Yesterday was a prime example. We fell into Newports trap. They let us have the ball, we didn’t control the game as such because we were doing what Newport wanted us to do, it wasn’t through our quality.
Football teams at our level could add most value by realising how games are going to play out structurally, how the opposition want the game to pan out and modelling how likely they are to be on the end of a positive result under those specific set of circumstances. So many teams put themselves at a disadvantage playing the way THEY want to play. In summary I’d certain teams do their plan A well against certain teams, you are playing into the oppositions strengths. Spotting where that may happen is key to the betting stuff I do. It’s where a lot of the unpredictability comes from in football. Styles make fights.
Eg yesterday, Newport want as little possession as possible. They are a bigger threat without it than they are with it. Does the game play out differently if we sit in deep and just let them dominate the ball and try and counter? Probably. Their game plan is then obsolete and they don’t have players with the technical ability to create and dominate in that situation.
It’s not just us that fall into this trap. Most teams do really but the better sides are good enough to still do well.
This presumably fits in with the MK Dons game where we basically let them have the ball?
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I say it every other week on here and have do for the last couple of years. The more possession we have the less likely we are to win. When we hade lots of the ball like we did yesterday we don’t have the quality to score/create against teams playing a low block when there are men in close proximity and time and space are limited.
Our better results and performances (generally) come against teams that want the ball and we can play off that, nick it back and counter into the spaces.
Yesterday was a prime example. We fell into Newports trap. They let us have the ball, we didn’t control the game as such because we were doing what Newport wanted us to do, it wasn’t through our quality.
Football teams at our level could add most value by realising how games are going to play out structurally, how the opposition want the game to pan out and modelling how likely they are to be on the end of a positive result under those specific set of circumstances. So many teams put themselves at a disadvantage playing the way THEY want to play. In summary I’d certain teams do their plan A well against certain teams, you are playing into the oppositions strengths. Spotting where that may happen is key to the betting stuff I do. It’s where a lot of the unpredictability comes from in football. Styles make fights.
Eg yesterday, Newport want as little possession as possible. They are a bigger threat without it than they are with it. Does the game play out differently if we sit in deep and just let them dominate the ball and try and counter? Probably. Their game plan is then obsolete and they don’t have players with the technical ability to create and dominate in that situation.
It’s not just us that fall into this trap. Most teams do really but the better sides are good enough to still do well.
This presumably fits in with the MK Dons game where we basically let them have the ball?
Exactly. Styles makes fights. People will say we didn’t lay a glove on Notts County and fair enough, they were too good for us. Back us against teams that try to play footy and are likely to out possession us but aren’t the very very best in the division. MK, Tranmere, Grimsby, Crawley, Forest Green all tried to pass the ball against us and got beat.
We had loads of the ball against Barrow, Salford, Wimbledon, Newport and got beat…
It’s not a coincidence. Grant will Jane looked at those wins and thought we did X, Y and Z well and the losses and thought we did A, B and C wrong but in reality circumstance played the biggest part in the results. He may have affected minor details but games play out in a fairly pre prescribed way unless dramatic tactical are made.
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I’d say you’re wrong, based on what I saw yesterday. Newport dominated the ball and we hardly got out of our half in the first 15-20.
Their play was stylish with quick movement, they were a final ball and shots away from sticking 2-3 past us in that period.
From that period on we dominated the ball, and created more than enough ( and one chance from joe was definitely “how the hell did he miss that”)
Movement and urgency are the biggest things missing in this team.
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I’d say you’re wrong, based on what I saw yesterday. Newport dominated the ball and we hardly got out of our half in the first 15-20.
Their play was stylish with quick movement, they were a final ball and shots away from sticking 2-3 past us in that period.
From that period on we dominated the ball, and created more than enough ( and one chance from joe was definitely “how the hell did he miss that”)
Movement and urgency are the biggest things missing in this team.
Which chance was that?
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
He never though, so it’s right up there on been one of the worst performances this season, and I’m afraid there’s even worse to come, you can see the confidence is zero, headless chickens
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I’d say you’re wrong, based on what I saw yesterday. Newport dominated the ball and we hardly got out of our half in the first 15-20.
Their play was stylish with quick movement, they were a final ball and shots away from sticking 2-3 past us in that period.
From that period on we dominated the ball, and created more than enough ( and one chance from joe was definitely “how the hell did he miss that”)
Movement and urgency are the biggest things missing in this team.
Billy says it was only a half chance
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We are playing with 10 men when Broadbent plays.
Someone please tell me what he brings to the table.
He can’t run, can’t pass, can’t tackle, can’t head the ball.
What is it that he does well?
I seriously don’t see how he gets in the team ahead of Biggins and yes Biggins is not great in any games and is average in only a few games.
But he does have a goal in him and he gets more involved than Broadbent.
Not sure what GM saw in him that decided we should sign him and pay a fee.
Box to box attacking midfielder. Yes that’s how he was described.
Has anyone seen that from him?
Not scored one goal yet and is not likely to score as very rarely shoots and when he does it’s like a back pass to the opposing keeper.
We need much better if we are going to get out of this league at the right end. Much better.
To be brutally honest here, I don't believe any of our midfield would get in the Newport side. That hurts.
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Don’t be daft
Newports midfield was very poor, close would walk into there as woukd westbrooke, the new lad craig will end up being a very good player
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Don’t be daft
Newports midfield was very poor, close would walk into there as woukd westbrooke, the new lad craig will end up being a very good player
And yet for 3 years Close has routinely ended up in midfield for the losing side.
Fresh start once he’s gone
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All about opinions.
I think the reason we’ve been losing for two years is he’s been playing alongside absolute shite.
No coincidence we put another good player alongside him in westbrooke and we hit some form.
Close will be offered a new contract but think he’ll end up in league one somewhere
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One thing’s for sure, despite all the protestations, if we don’t start picking up a few wins in the next few games then we’re down in the NL, like it or not, that is a very real outcome.
I don’t think this squad has the mental resilience for a protracted dogfight!
We are very, very close to the unthinkable!
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The manager talks about a lack of urgency in the team and Close is the worst for this . Just seems to want to play the game at a canter, anyone can look tidy in possession knocking 10 yard passes sideways and backwards.
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One thing’s for sure, despite all the protestations, if we don’t start picking up a few wins in the next few games then we’re down in the NL, like it or not, that is a very real outcome.
I don’t think this squad has the mental resilience for a protracted dogfight!
We are very, very close to the unthinkable!
Couldn’t agree more, points are more important than performances right now, we seem to be sleepwalking towards relegation
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Everytime I see comments about how bad performances are I have to ask...
...were none of you there last season?! These performances aren't by any means acceptable but lets get real for a moment - 2nd half of last season was absolutely disgustingly bad, saved only by Gary McS' run at the start of the season!
We are attacking, putting balls in, and having attempts on goal - last season I dreamed we could have a couple of shots within the same game!
This is by no means acceptable - but given how low we were last season 2nd half with 6 wins in 22 games, I think we have to manage our expectations and accept we aren't the SOD or McCann sides of old : we are poor and we trying to turn a great big stinking tanker 180 degrees whilst lumbered with a number of individuals who are partially responsible for this predicament.
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I don't think many of us realised how much time and effort it would take to shift the rot.
I'd assumed Grant would be a breath of fresh air, changing culture, tactics and personnel and we'd see the impact of that overnight. We've had half a season and it's been very small shoots of growth, but I'd say we are slightly better - each step is a step in the right direction - it's just our starting point is so desperately low that it's slow going!
Grant is the man for the job (in my view) and the Jan recruitment, plus the return to 433 will help that gradual improvement. We won't go down, we need to keep Grant, keep up the investment, and keep dragging ourselves slowly out of the shite!
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In reply to you dickos, I will echo what andy has said above.
Yes Close is a good player. If he goes somewhere else, is happy there, plays well and contributes to success then good for him. It hasn’t worked out here. He is replaceable.
Westbrooke gets about the pitch more and has a gusto and more positivity about his play and attitude than Close.
I’d rather get a good footballer to play alongside Zain in the summer.
We need to get rid the serial losers of the last few years (Molyneux, Biggins, Olowu, Rowe, Anderson) and have an optimistic fresh start. Or they will hang over the rest of the squad like spectres.
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Close, Biggins, Rowe, Ravenhill and Westbrooke all out of contract this summer.
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Close, Biggins, Rowe, Ravenhill and Westbrooke all out of contract this summer.
I’d be giving Close and Westbrooke (fitness pending) a contract, the rest can go for me
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We've won 28 points this season.
21 of those came in 12 games when both Westbrooke and Close have played.
7 came in the other 15 when one of both of them were missing.
Just saying...
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We've won 28 points this season.
21 of those came in 12 games when both Westbrooke and Close have played.
7 came in the other 15 when one of both of them were missing.
Just saying...
they both came in to the side at the same time, it's westbrooke getting injured that killed us
over the last 18 months in this division i have seen us play against many midfielders that have the technical ability of Close but are either more athletic or have more steel about them
you say it like it's either ben close or a downgrade in the summer
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Close is a decent footballer and in the absence of Westbrooke he’s probably the best we have, but his limitations can really stand out when we are struggling.
Stick him in a good team with lots of positive and intelligent movement off the ball, and others around him that can both receive and recover possession, and you’d have a really good player. But if we are expecting him to consistently grab games by the scruff of the neck and make up for the deficiencies of those around him then you’ll likely end up as frustrated as we have been at times.
I think it’s true that we could struggle to replace him with a better footballer, but with the money he’s on I hold out hope that we could get a more effective option for the level we find ourselves at.
It probably does come down to poor recruitment and strategic planning again. We’re caught somewhere between where we seemed to want to be when we appointed Wellens, where we tried to get to again when we appointed Schofield, and where we actually are. McSheffrey wanted to take us a different way and make us more robust and hard to beat, I understand he actually tried to change the culture towards that and was pulled up on it, so we pulled the trigger (again) in no man’s land. Schofield was to be the new SO’D but without the experience, structure or resources (or time) to make any tangible progress so we went another way again with McCann.
We now have the best manager we could realistically hope to have, and he wants his own way of playing that I do believe will see us pick up significantly, as long as we give him time and he gives us time in return. But he’s playing catch up after inheriting a squad really lacking in direction and identity, and although when you count the loans he’s brought a good number of players in, we have to be realistic that it’ll take more then two transfer windows to fix that.
Right now we’re neither one thing nor the other and we haven’t been for some time. We’re not strong enough to bully opponents, quick enough to overrun them and we’re not good enough to ‘out-football’ them. I genuinely see green shoots in the performance level this season but results are lagging and we just need to be patient and realistic.
Ben Close is a great micro-example of a confused club. A good player in his own right but not the most effective for this situation.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
Does it never occur to you that you've spent the season saying "We made good chances and didn't take them"?
Don't you think there's a conclusion to be drawn?
I haven’t, you’re just making it up.
The fact is the last two games we should’ve won as created a lot more chances than the opposition
Why do you think we should have won at Harrogate? We had 2 shots on target, and they scored 3 goals, we are playing shocking football and you can’t keep on defending it.
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One thing’s for sure, despite all the protestations, if we don’t start picking up a few wins in the next few games then we’re down in the NL, like it or not, that is a very real outcome.
I don’t think this squad has the mental resilience for a protracted dogfight!
We are very, very close to the unthinkable!
Couldn’t agree more, points are more important than performances right now, we seem to be sleepwalking towards relegation
Agreed.
I have been saying we are heading for the NL for over two years.
The club needs to realise this.
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We are heading for (at best) a third season in the lowest tier of the EFL. I said when we went down there’s no bouncing straight back up here and I’m sad to say I might have been optimistic.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
Does it never occur to you that you've spent the season saying "We made good chances and didn't take them"?
Don't you think there's a conclusion to be drawn?
I haven’t, you’re just making it up.
The fact is the last two games we should’ve won as created a lot more chances than the opposition
We were second best at Harrogate. We didn’t deserve to win.
I think for 65 mins we were the better side.
Even weaver stated that in his press conference.
There was no way we were the better side for 65 minutes, not a prayer. They were on top up their first, we controlled it after we equalised & for 15 minutes into the 2nd half. That's far from 65 minutes really. We went down in the last 20 with a whimper
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Don’t be daft
Newports midfield was very poor, close would walk into there as woukd westbrooke, the new lad craig will end up being a very good player
Let me rephrase that, none of the midfield that played against Newport would have got in their side, that better. All of them were awful & offered nothing, Close was totally anonymous 2nd half. Says it all regarding how far away we are from being a good side.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
Does it never occur to you that you've spent the season saying "We made good chances and didn't take them"?
Don't you think there's a conclusion to be drawn?
I haven’t, you’re just making it up.
The fact is the last two games we should’ve won as created a lot more chances than the opposition
Why do you think we should have won at Harrogate? We had 2 shots on target, and they scored 3 goals, we are playing shocking football and you can’t keep on defending it.
Because we missed numerous chances at 1-1 and we’re also comfortably the better side for 65 mins
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Yes that ...
Even I can remember the left foot Moly volley right at start of 2nd Half , the one he scraped the left hand post with and the Faal header 6 yards out ....
I'm stupid in retrospect because as soon as we pulled it back to 1-1 I was confident there was only going to be one winner
Unfortunately 2 bad passes ( let's make that terrible to go with Threads title) and we were done for
Similarly Newport offered just one effort on goal whereas we had "some" chances to make a Goal change a game and failed
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Yes that ...
Even I can remember the left foot Moly volley right at start of 2nd Half , the one he scraped the left hand post with and the Faal header 6 yards out ....
I'm stupid in retrospect because as soon as we pulled it back to 1-1 I was confident there was only going to be one winner
Unfortunately 2 bad passes ( let's make that terrible to go with Threads title) and we were done for
Similarly Newport offered just one effort on goal whereas we had "some" chances to make a Goal change a game and failed
Faal wouldn't score that header one time in 20. He was too far under the ball and reaching backwards to head it.
We have a habit of seeing 1/8th chances and building them up into a "we should have been out of sight" argument.
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It was a really difficult chance for Faal definitely. Easy to be fooled by the proximity to goal on that one.
Also I wouldn't say the Moly one grazed the post. If we're talking about the same one (1:26 onward in the highlights linked below) he was almost closer to the corner flag! Should've done better though.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/13043160/harrogate-3-1-doncaster-league-two-highlights
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Yes that ...
Even I can remember the left foot Moly volley right at start of 2nd Half , the one he scraped the left hand post with and the Faal header 6 yards out ....
I'm stupid in retrospect because as soon as we pulled it back to 1-1 I was confident there was only going to be one winner
Unfortunately 2 bad passes ( let's make that terrible to go with Threads title) and we were done for
Similarly Newport offered just one effort on goal whereas we had "some" chances to make a Goal change a game and failed
Faal wouldn't score that header one time in 20. He was too far under the ball and reaching backwards to head it.
We have a habit of seeing 1/8th chances and building them up into a "we should have been out of sight" argument.
He was under the ball slightly because he jumped too early.
It was a terrible header.
A professional footballer of his stature should be scoring that 20 times out of 20 never mind 1
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Need to start at the back, we’ve got 3 keepers that are not worthy of playing in the EFL, a good keeper will breed confidence in the defence.
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
Does it never occur to you that you've spent the season saying "We made good chances and didn't take them"?
Don't you think there's a conclusion to be drawn?
I haven’t, you’re just making it up.
The fact is the last two games we should’ve won as created a lot more chances than the opposition
Why do you think we should have won at Harrogate? We had 2 shots on target, and they scored 3 goals, we are playing shocking football and you can’t keep on defending it.
Because we missed numerous chances at 1-1 and we’re also comfortably the better side for 65 mins
Again you should really watch game over again, there is no way we were the better side for 65 minutes.
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Stats
Overall
At Home
At Away
Wins
30%
43%
15%
Draws
15%
14%
15%
Losses
56%
43%
69%
xG For / Match
1.14
1.21
1.07
xG Against / Match
1.42
1.34
1.51
Scored / Match
1.15
1.36
0.92
Conceded / Match
1.74
1.5
2
AVG (Match Goals Average)
2.89
2.86
2.92
Clean Sheets %
19%
29%
8%
Failed to Score %
37%
36%
38%
Possession AVG
49%
49%
49%
Shots Taken / Match
9.3
9.64
8.92
Shots Conversion Rate
12%
14%
10%
Fouls Committed / Match
10.67
9.57
11.85
Fouled Against / Match
9.78
10.79
8.69
Penalties Won
5 in 27
4 in 14
1 in 13
Penalties Conceded
1 in 27
1 in 14
0 in 13
Goal Kicks / Match
1.31
0.75
1.88
Throw-ins / Match
25.07
23.86
26.38
We need to improve big style, just to survive in L2
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Yes that ...
Even I can remember the left foot Moly volley right at start of 2nd Half , the one he scraped the left hand post with and the Faal header 6 yards out ....
I'm stupid in retrospect because as soon as we pulled it back to 1-1 I was confident there was only going to be one winner
Unfortunately 2 bad passes ( let's make that terrible to go with Threads title) and we were done for
Similarly Newport offered just one effort on goal whereas we had "some" chances to make a Goal change a game and failed
Faal wouldn't score that header one time in 20. He was too far under the ball and reaching backwards to head it.
We have a habit of seeing 1/8th chances and building them up into a "we should have been out of sight" argument.
My mate pointed that out on way out of Ground but I believe it was a chance he could have taken if he had "addressed" the ball better.
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It was a really difficult chance for Faal definitely. Easy to be fooled by the proximity to goal on that one.
Also I wouldn't say the Moly one grazed the post. If we're talking about the same one (1:26 onward in the highlights linked below) he was almost closer to the corner flag! Should've done better though.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/13043160/harrogate-3-1-doncaster-league-two-highlights (https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/13043160/harrogate-3-1-doncaster-league-two-highlights)
Yes , have to agree with the grazing the post by Moly
In my defence I was in the Seats on side just about level with where he shot from.
If we lose I never look back at highlights but in this case I have done and saw from Camera it was not close to grazing the post
I think it was much much closer than hitting Corner flag though ;)
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
Does it never occur to you that you've spent the season saying "We made good chances and didn't take them"?
Don't you think there's a conclusion to be drawn?
I haven’t, you’re just making it up.
The fact is the last two games we should’ve won as created a lot more chances than the opposition
Why do you think we should have won at Harrogate? We had 2 shots on target, and they scored 3 goals, we are playing shocking football and you can’t keep on defending it.
Because we missed numerous chances at 1-1 and we’re also comfortably the better side for 65 mins
Again you should really watch game over again, there is no way we were the better side for 65 minutes.
We were,
Weaver even stated himself they won but but we were the better side.
The first half we had lots of possession without creating much the second half we continued being the better side and should’ve scored at least twice
They scored and we went to pot
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Definitely nowhere near the worst performance of the season.
If Ironside could have finished today it would’ve been a comfortable victory
Yep. Yet another match that we'd have won if we'd scored more than the opposition.
Your’e a strange chap aren’t ya?
If you went to the game you’d have seen the misses from Ironside, if you didn’t then I thought you didn’t comment on games?
Dickos.
The point is, it's the same line from you every time we lose. "We wouldn't have lost if we'd taken our chances".
When does the penny drop and you accept that the reason we don't take our chances is that we are not very good? Like some of us were sending from the first day of the season.
More nonsense!
Ironside twice from 3 yards out managed to not connect cleanly with the ball.
That doesn’t mean he’s shite, it doesn’t mean we’re shite, it means a very good player missed two sitters.
Does it never occur to you that you've spent the season saying "We made good chances and didn't take them"?
Don't you think there's a conclusion to be drawn?
I haven’t, you’re just making it up.
The fact is the last two games we should’ve won as created a lot more chances than the opposition
Why do you think we should have won at Harrogate? We had 2 shots on target, and they scored 3 goals, we are playing shocking football and you can’t keep on defending it.
Because we missed numerous chances at 1-1 and we’re also comfortably the better side for 65 mins
Again you should really watch game over again, there is no way we were the better side for 65 minutes.
We were,
Weaver even stated himself they won but but we were the better side.
The first half we had lots of possession without creating much the second half we continued being the better side and should’ve scored at least twice
They scored and we went to pot
Did Weaver say we were the better side for 65 minutes? Yes or no. I dare bet he didn't, because we weren't. They were the better side for the 1st 20 minutes cutting through us at will. We took over for the last 25 minutes to half time. We then had chances to go ahead in the second half, we were the better side 15/20 minutes tops, that's 45 minutes, not 65.
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We've won 28 points this season.
21 of those came in 12 games when both Westbrooke and Close have played.
7 came in the other 15 when one of both of them were missing.
Just saying...
they both came in to the side at the same time, it's westbrooke getting injured that killed us
That's incorrect.
We played 5 of the first 7 games of the season with Westbrooke in the side, but Close injured. The results were:
P5 W0 D2 L3 Bottom of table form
The next 12 games they both played some part in the match
P12 W7 D0 L5 Play off form
Since then, Close has played every game bar 1 and Westbrooke has missed them all.
P7 W1 D2 L4 Relegation form
Suggests that we actually have the makings of a decent side, but we have no Plan B in the absence of one of 2 key players.
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Yes that ...
Even I can remember the left foot Moly volley right at start of 2nd Half , the one he scraped the left hand post with and the Faal header 6 yards out ....
I'm stupid in retrospect because as soon as we pulled it back to 1-1 I was confident there was only going to be one winner
Unfortunately 2 bad passes ( let's make that terrible to go with Threads title) and we were done for
Similarly Newport offered just one effort on goal whereas we had "some" chances to make a Goal change a game and failed
Faal wouldn't score that header one time in 20. He was too far under the ball and reaching backwards to head it.
We have a habit of seeing 1/8th chances and building them up into a "we should have been out of sight" argument.
My mate pointed that out on way out of Ground but I believe it was a chance he could have taken if he had "addressed" the ball better.
Do you mean "stamped" his authority on it?
OK, Wolfie, I'll get mi coat.
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Yes that ...
Even I can remember the left foot Moly volley right at start of 2nd Half , the one he scraped the left hand post with and the Faal header 6 yards out ....
I'm stupid in retrospect because as soon as we pulled it back to 1-1 I was confident there was only going to be one winner
Unfortunately 2 bad passes ( let's make that terrible to go with Threads title) and we were done for
Similarly Newport offered just one effort on goal whereas we had "some" chances to make a Goal change a game and failed
Faal wouldn't score that header one time in 20. He was too far under the ball and reaching backwards to head it.
We have a habit of seeing 1/8th chances and building them up into a "we should have been out of sight" argument.
My mate pointed that out on way out of Ground but I believe it was a chance he could have taken if he had "addressed" the ball better.
Do you mean "stamped" his authority on it?
OK, Wolfie, I'll get mi coat.
Letters hope he doesn't come back to haunt us.
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To be "frank" he'll make a First class player imo
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Mind you, it was good to see our first feMAIL referee the other week.
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Mind you, it was good to see our first feMAIL referee the other week.
When Joey Barton heard he went completely postal.