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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: NigelJ on January 19, 2024, 03:17:06 pm
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There seems to be a trend at the moment that knee-jerk decisions are made based on only a single piece of evidence, ignoring any other facts that may exist.
One example of this is the Bradford postponement. The pitch is unplayable due to being frozen now, therefore the game tomorrow can't go ahead. This ignores the fact that temperatures are expected to increase between 1pm today and 3pm tomorrow. There is a case to call games off early, especially when conditions aren't expected to improve and if they is a large distance to travel for away teams. Neither of these apply today.
I am really annoyed by some people in modern society making bad decisions, ultimately inconveniencing others because they are too stupid to see past the first fact that comes into their mind. :headbang:
I also see that Wimbledon V Crawley is postponed. Again, a short travel distance, so a much too hasty decision.
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But if it’s a deep freeze already the air temperature and ground temperature can vary. It was minus 7 over there will get cold again tonight so I can’t really argue against it
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If something as simple and innocuous like a game being called off in good time, so everyone can properly plan their weekend " really annoys you " well, you better get a grip on yourself and some perspective methinks.
I think it's an excellent good early call - well done Bradford.
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Seems a bit ridiculous to me. The temperature is already beginning to rise and will be considerably better tomorrow. We are an hour away from Bradford so why couldn't the decision be made tomorrow morning.
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I'm around 10 miles from valley parade and my paddocks are frozen solid and will be till Sunday if forecast is right. Its gutting but the right call imo.
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3 degrees maximum between now and tomorrow afternoon. Plenty of areas of VP won’t get any sunlight in that time. The ground staff there will know better than anyone.
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I'm around 10 miles from valley parade and my paddocks are frozen solid and will be till Sunday if forecast is right. Its gutting but the right call imo.
You can get a cream for that
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A week off probably good for us.
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App Salute shambles. Tinpot or what.
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On the other hand you could be on the end of what 500 fans of my club had to endure last season , midweek at Exeter City .
The game was called off at 6pm by which time most of our travelling faithful were either in Exeter or approaching the city from the M5 .
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Bit of a difference between Donny and Bradford and Taarn and Exeter though.
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Our game is not the only one called off. Two others are postponed and another moved to Tuesday. Better to call it off now than let the Rovers fans make plans and travel to find out the game is cancelled later. And again, Rovers might be in better form when we play Bradford and the re-scheduled Walsall match, so there is a silver lining.
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Modern ignorance more like. If you bothered to look, you would know that the soil around us has been frozen solid for 3 days now, and barely thawed. It’s been glorious sunshine and 4/5 degrees this afternoon and the ground is still rock solid. At Bradford, it has been colder and their pitch will be shrouded in shade. If you think for 1 second that a sudden miraculous thaw will occur in a matter of hours then you really are deluded. We’re all disappointed the game is off, I had tickets myself, but it’s just life. Can’t control nature.
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Currently 3 degrees in Bradford expected 6 degrees tomorrow. It is far warmer in Bradford now than it has been for days. I think that 9am inspection would have been a far better call.
I live in BD2 so do know what it is like here.
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And who wants players injured on patches of ice or hard grass? Not worth the risk.
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The cold has set a slight permafrost in large areas of the country.this will be exasperated by areas of most pitches being in shade. VP has large areas of shade that get no sun, esp at this time of year. The sun has been on my back garden all day today. And yet it’s still solid underfoot , even with daytime highs of 4 degrees. With daytime highs in Bradford tomorrow at ko time not forecast to be above 5 or 6 this was absolutely the right call. And how refreshing to get a game called off well in advance, instead of 10am of match day, (or later) when some supporters are already on their way.
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We’d have lost anyway. Look at our run now though:
Stockport yes, but then…
Sutton (A)
Tranmere (H)
Salford (A) poor but open teams (perfect)
Grimsby (A)
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If my memory is wrong then correct me,
But didnt we call a game off last season the day before the game (cant remember who against off the top of my head). We was the first to do it that weekend and we got the typical negative responses from social media about being a tin pot club and that we called it too early and blah and blah. Even some of our own fans were the most critical about being an embarrasment.
Then the following day the temperatures didnt rise and the pitch didnt thaw out. Also slowly 1 by 1 other matches were being called off with some fans already on their way or even in the towns and cities which then got those fans moaning it shoulf of been called earlier which made our decision that weekend all the more better.
Maybe clubs have taken note and realised that the best course of action is to make that decision before fans, clubs and officials start their day.
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Currently 3 degrees in Bradford expected 6 degrees tomorrow. It is far warmer in Bradford now than it has been for days. I think that 9am inspection would have been a far better call.
I live in BD2 so do know what it is like here.
As far as i'm concerned a pitch inspection and call the game off 26 hours + before a game an hour or so up the road is out of order with temperature's rising in the area 10 11 or even at a push 12 would have been sensible or even say another inspection tomorrow. Somebody somewhere didnt want it playing. IF the game mean't travelling to the other end of the country I would have no problem
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Called off early enough for travelling support to not be inconvenienced. You can’t ask for fairer than that.
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Called off early enough for travelling support to not be inconvenienced. You can’t ask for fairer than that.
Did they think Rovers fans were crawling the 40 Miles for them to give ample time to the travelling fans?
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I’ve been out this morning and the ground is soft in most places. Unless Bradford had it a lot worse then us it seems a bit knee jerk. Not to add the photo they used on their postponement wasn’t even taken on the day. Should have been a pitch inspection for 8.30-9 today.
Experience - Have been cutting my front and back grass for 14 years
8 months at community college studying a landscaping diploma
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Frustrating but it is what it is. If it had gone a head and abandoned during the game or even worse, we picked up some injuries, then people would be asking why it wasn’t called of earlier. They obviously took the pitch condition and weather forecast for the next 24 hours in mind
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I have just got back from my early morning dog walk which involves walking across a field which has a football pitch.
Although the grass isn’t hard, the soil has frozen ruts and bumps.
Outside temperature is three degrees and predicted to rise to five or six this afternoon.
In my opinion it would be unsafe to play on today with potential for injuries.
If the game had been a day later I think there would be no problem given the double figure temperatures on Sunday.
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Hold on a minute I remember the days when the mighty Bradford city were in the premiership surely undersoil heating was installed
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It's been freezing for days. Pitch is frozen and it clearly wasn't going to unfreeze overnight so the right decision ws made.
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The authorities can't do right for doing wrong. Delayed decisions are too late, and early decisions are too early. They just can't win because basically, we are a country full of whingers.
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I see the Farsley Celtic game is still on currently (4.7m from VP)!
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There’s also catering staff and food to consider as well as ground staff/ stewards etc, its not all about fans travelling 40 miles.
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Agree BB. There are also fans who don’t live in Doncaster or even Bradford that have to set of a lot earlier than living in their respective cities.
Decision has been made. Let’s move on. Another week of hopefully gelling the players and hopefully the ones with slight knocks have that extra week.
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I am going to Newcastle today to watch a game, inspection 9-30am this morning game on. Our game was not called off because of the weather Bradford had other reasons not to play IMHO including a cup game for both sides a couple of weeks away.
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Oh look. That tin pot club Farsley Celtic game is called off. Can stop the conspiracy theories of why the game was called off
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Notts County game called off this morning too
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On the Bradford forum the natives have passed comments on the postponement, there’s also a photo of the pitch covering and rather strangely the “ home” penalty area and parts of pitch either side aren’t covered ?? I can’t find out why it’s not
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The cold has set a slight permafrost in large areas of the country.this will be exasperated by areas of most pitches being in shade. VP has large areas of shade that get no sun, esp at this time of year. The sun has been on my back garden all day today. And yet it’s still solid underfoot , even with daytime highs of 4 degrees. With daytime highs in Bradford tomorrow at ko time not forecast to be above 5 or 6 this was absolutely the right call. And how refreshing to get a game called off well in advance, instead of 10am of match day, (or later) when some supporters are already on their way.
Permafrost??? I suggest you look up what permafrost is.
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Why would Bradford want the game called off? It's not like Rovers are by any means in some sort of frightening form!
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Oh look. That tin pot club Farsley Celtic game is called off. Can stop the conspiracy theories of why the game was called off
Gave it a chance though didn't they?
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So is the ground still frozen in Bradford?
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The city is still frozen in the 1970s so I doubt there has been much change yet in the pitch.
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Doesn’t matter if the ground is still frozen or not. It’s off.
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Well here we go again , Stevenage arranged a pitch inspection for 11am this morning and I presume the referee has now called for another pitch inspection at 1 pm .
Here's the thing , we've sold the away end out this afternoon to the tune of 1300 travelling reds and both pitch inspections haven't taken that in to account given the vast majority would have set off earlier this morning .
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Both the matches at Harrogate and York have been postponed in the last hour so it’s looking like BCFC called it right yesterday.
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Both the matches at Harrogate and York have been postponed in the last hour so it’s looking like BCFC called it right yesterday.
Calling it right or wrong isn’t the issue, they didn’t even give it a chance
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Of course they did. They looked at the weather etc.Don’t get why some people are so transfixed with this, all because it was called of yesterday. And the proof is in the pudding, other games called of today that are close by.
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Our game at Stevenage called off at 1pm , you couldn't feckin make it up .
Feck our fans , disgraceful .
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Our game at Stevenage called off at 1pm , you couldn't feckin make it up .
Feck our fans , disgraceful .
I bet you are wishing they had called it off yesterday tyke.
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Both the matches at Harrogate and York have been postponed in the last hour so it’s looking like BCFC called it right yesterday.
Calling it right or wrong isn’t the issue, they didn’t even give it a chance
you don’t think they might have half an idea what they’re doing?
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On the Bradford forum the natives have passed comments on the postponement, there’s also a photo of the pitch covering and rather strangely the “ home” penalty area and parts of pitch either side aren’t covered ?? I can’t find out why it’s not
how do you think they may thaw it out? Leave it under the sheet frozen with trapped cold air underneath, or let this tropical 6 degrees try to do its thing? God there’s some tripe on here.
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Think the main issue is is that Bradford claim to be a big club and trade on their past in the premier League when really they are no better than the rest of league 2.
Should they have waited until say 11 this morning maybe, would it have changed anything? probably not but I guess it would have looked like they tried to get it played as it just looks like they wanted a weekend off
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Our game at Stevenage called off at 1pm , you couldn't feckin make it up .
Feck our fans , disgraceful .
I bet you are wishing they had called it off yesterday tyke.
That's exactly what should have happened Hound .
Surely the local forecast for today and the pitch already frozen had to come in to play .
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Never heard so much whinging in my life.
It was obvious the correct decision was made as every other game in our area outside the top 2 leagues are now OFF.
Stevenage called their game off at 1.00 pm
So how would you feel if you were a Barnsley fan having to do a U Turn somewhere south of Peterborough or those that had already done the full 150 mile journey from Barnsley.
That is a disgrace, what Bradford did was the sensible and considerate option. END OF :that:
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For those who have commented on how stupid it was to call game off yesterday,on twitter Bradfords groundsmen takes you round the pitch this morning..solid as a rock in places..As he says experience told him yesterday regardless of temp today it wasn't playable..
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The pitch was fully defrosted and playable at 11:45 today
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The pitch looked shocking to be fair. We wouldn’t have been able to go there and play good football on that. Whereas they could have just lumped it up to Cook all game.
Also better to go there when we’re on a better run of form.
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The pitch was fully defrosted and playable at 11:45 today
Genuinely Upton, how do you know that?
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All good and well getting up at the crack of dawn to walk around the pitch. Pitch would have been fine by midday. Proper investigation from the FA required into this, seems like Bradford have tried to pull a fast one. I hope grant is taking this seriously
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All good and well getting up at the crack of dawn to walk around the pitch. Pitch would have been fine by midday. Proper investigation from the FA required into this, seems like Bradford have tried to pull a fast one. I hope grant is taking this seriously
Why would they want to pull a fast one? Our league form is hardly brilliant, and they've already pumped us at the Eco.
Regarding the FA, it's nothing to do with them, it's the EFL, and we all saw how much they give a f*ck about us after the Bolton debacle.
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All good and well getting up at the crack of dawn to walk around the pitch. Pitch would have been fine by midday. Proper investigation from the FA required into this, seems like Bradford have tried to pull a fast one. I hope grant is taking this seriously
Yeah Bradford were quaking I would imagine especially having watched us and looked at our form
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All good and well getting up at the crack of dawn to walk around the pitch. Pitch would have been fine by midday. Proper investigation from the FA required into this, seems like Bradford have tried to pull a fast one. I hope grant is taking this seriously
So why were the other league games called off then. It’s not as if Bradford was the only game off was it.
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Donny Knights game was played today. But then they don't fall down when the opposition brush past them
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All good and well getting up at the crack of dawn to walk around the pitch. Pitch would have been fine by midday. Proper investigation from the FA required into this, seems like Bradford have tried to pull a fast one. I hope grant is taking this seriously
So why were the other league games called off then. It’s not as if Bradford was the only game off was it.
Bradford was the main one. Harrogate to tbf but their ground is pretty much like Rosso main’s so fair doo’s.
I would imagine they’ve seen our result against Wigan and they don’t fancy it. Happens all the time when the home side is on a slump. I would hope Grant is speaking to Gavin to get him to email the chiefs at the efl to get the issue looked into. It’s corruption
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Hopefully, when we come to play the game, we will be in a better position with the players available, particularly with the new lads bedded in.
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Hopefully, when we come to play the game, we will be in a better position with the players available, particularly with the new lads bedded in.
Absolutely, and it'll be on iFollow.
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There seems to be a trend at the moment that knee-jerk decisions are made based on only a single piece of evidence, ignoring any other facts that may exist.
One example of this is the Bradford postponement. The pitch is unplayable due to being frozen now, therefore the game tomorrow can't go ahead. This ignores the fact that temperatures are expected to increase between 1pm today and 3pm tomorrow. There is a case to call games off early, especially when conditions aren't expected to improve and if they is a large distance to travel for away teams. Neither of these apply today.
I am really annoyed by some people in modern society making bad decisions, ultimately inconveniencing others because they are too stupid to see past the first fact that comes into their mind. :headbang:
I also see that Wimbledon V Crawley is postponed. Again, a short travel distance, so a much too hasty decision.
I played golf today and the ground was absolutely rock hard and a very deep frost; the pounds were also frozen over.
I’m sure the costs of the policing were also considered given how much presence there would have been.
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I don’t get why some think there’s a conspiracy. Like it’s been said, understandable if it was just our game. But guess what, it wasn’t.
Conspiracygate. People really need to take a step back from getting so anxious and looking for reasons.
Here is a Reason- it’s been bloody cold and freezing.
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I don’t get why some think there’s a conspiracy. Like it’s been said, understandable if it was just our game. But guess what, it wasn’t.
Conspiracygate. People really need to take a step back from getting so anxious and looking for reasons.
Here is a Reason- it’s been bloody cold and freezing.
The game wasnt given chance. If we had been playing say Gillingham 150 miles away fair comment it would have been the correct call but 40 miles up the road the pitch inspection should have been this morning 10.30 maybe 11/11.30 The bulk of Donny supporters wouldnt have set off. ( I know theres diehards that travel from all over I used to be one) The other games in the area were given chance to be on, and lets be honest Bradford are a much bigger club than the others in the immediate area and have better facilities all round.
They didnt want to play it as there's a potentially very valuable (moneywise) cup game in a couple of weeks or so between the two teams we can't have us/them knowing too much about each other, even though our new lads are by all accounts cup tied. My opinion it was deliberately not given chance. Just out of interest was it a local "non league" ref or a local Efl ref that called it
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Or maybe the local knowledge of how long it takes to thaw
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Or maybe the local knowledge of how long it takes to thaw
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So why weren't all the games in the area called off the day before. Because they were given chance!
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Don’t know maybe better forward planning from Bradford.
Regardless I had a very enjoyable day out at a zoo due to the early postponement
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Those of us wondering why Bradford announced the postponement of our game a full 24 hours before kick off, spare a thought for fans of Grimsby who were due to play Harrogate Town yesterday. Harrogate gave a short notice warning there was going to be a pitch inspection at 11.30, and the game off just before midday, by which time 770 Grimsby fans where either heading, or had arrived, in Harrogate. The main benefiteries were Harrogate Railway, who despite being just a 20 minute walk away, and 6 leagues below, announced after their own 11.30 pitch inspection the game was on, and via Harrogate Towns twitter page, cordially invited Grimsby fans to their game v Selby Town. Railways average attendance is 135, so yesterdays crowd of 371 was easily their best crowd of the season. To be fair, the pitch wasn't the carpet they play on a mile up the road, but we watched a good competitive game with the visitors winning 2-1.
We did see an elderly gentleman wearing a Donny hat at the game too, stood near the dug outs. Is that anyone on here?
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Those of us wondering why Bradford announced the postponement of our game a full 24 hours before kick off, spare a thought for fans of Grimsby who were due to play Harrogate Town yesterday. Harrogate gave a short notice warning there was going to be a pitch inspection at 11.30, and the game off just before midday, by which time 770 Grimsby fans where either heading, or had arrived, in Harrogate. The main benefiteries were Harrogate Railway, who despite being just a 20 minute walk away, and 6 leagues below, announced after their own 11.30 pitch inspection the game was on, and via Harrogate Towns twitter page, cordially invited Grimsby fans to their game v Selby Town. Railways average attendance is 135, so yesterdays crowd of 371 was easily their best crowd of the season. To be fair, the pitch wasn't the carpet they play on a mile up the road, but we watched a good competitive game with the visitors winning 2-1.
We did see an elderly gentleman wearing a Donny hat at the game too, stood near the dug outs. Is that anyone on here?
It wasn’t me.
I was going to come and watch Town yesterday HR and do a bit of spying on Grimsby before we play them next month, until it was called off.
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Those of us wondering why Bradford announced the postponement of our game a full 24 hours before kick off, spare a thought for fans of Grimsby who were due to play Harrogate Town yesterday. Harrogate gave a short notice warning there was going to be a pitch inspection at 11.30, and the game off just before midday, by which time 770 Grimsby fans where either heading, or had arrived, in Harrogate. The main benefiteries were Harrogate Railway, who despite being just a 20 minute walk away, and 6 leagues below, announced after their own 11.30 pitch inspection the game was on, and via Harrogate Towns twitter page, cordially invited Grimsby fans to their game v Selby Town. Railways average attendance is 135, so yesterdays crowd of 371 was easily their best crowd of the season. To be fair, the pitch wasn't the carpet they play on a mile up the road, but we watched a good competitive game with the visitors winning 2-1.
We did see an elderly gentleman wearing a Donny hat at the game too, stood near the dug outs. Is that anyone on here?
If it was an elderly gentleman, HR, I can only think of BB or Wolfie.
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It’s good they gave the fans a bit of notice, these days safety is a higher consideration than it was in the past.
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Those of us wondering why Bradford announced the postponement of our game a full 24 hours before kick off, spare a thought for fans of Grimsby who were due to play Harrogate Town yesterday. Harrogate gave a short notice warning there was going to be a pitch inspection at 11.30, and the game off just before midday, by which time 770 Grimsby fans where either heading, or had arrived, in Harrogate. The main benefiteries were Harrogate Railway, who despite being just a 20 minute walk away, and 6 leagues below, announced after their own 11.30 pitch inspection the game was on, and via Harrogate Towns twitter page, cordially invited Grimsby fans to their game v Selby Town. Railways average attendance is 135, so yesterdays crowd of 371 was easily their best crowd of the season. To be fair, the pitch wasn't the carpet they play on a mile up the road, but we watched a good competitive game with the visitors winning 2-1.
We did see an elderly gentleman wearing a Donny hat at the game too, stood near the dug outs. Is that anyone on here?
If it was an elderly gentleman, HR, I can only think of BB or Wolfie.
I sit near HR at home games and I'm sure he would have brought me a Bovril if it was me he'd seen. I think he misses my match analysis at away games and would have joined me if I'd been there. It's a bargain for the price of a Bovril.
It must have been Wolfie.
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Those of us wondering why Bradford announced the postponement of our game a full 24 hours before kick off, spare a thought for fans of Grimsby who were due to play Harrogate Town yesterday. Harrogate gave a short notice warning there was going to be a pitch inspection at 11.30, and the game off just before midday, by which time 770 Grimsby fans where either heading, or had arrived, in Harrogate. The main benefiteries were Harrogate Railway, who despite being just a 20 minute walk away, and 6 leagues below, announced after their own 11.30 pitch inspection the game was on, and via Harrogate Towns twitter page, cordially invited Grimsby fans to their game v Selby Town. Railways average attendance is 135, so yesterdays crowd of 371 was easily their best crowd of the season. To be fair, the pitch wasn't the carpet they play on a mile up the road, but we watched a good competitive game with the visitors winning 2-1.
We did see an elderly gentleman wearing a Donny hat at the game too, stood near the dug outs. Is that anyone on here?
If it was an elderly gentleman, HR, I can only think of BB or Wolfie.
I sit near HR at home games and I'm sure he would have brought me a Bovril if it was me he'd seen. I think he misses my match analysis at away games and would have joined me if I'd been there. It's a bargain for the price of a Bovril.
It must have been Wolfie.
I can confirm it wasn't Mr Bullet, as this gentleman will have walked half way round the ground to that position, whereas BB would have been carried round in his sudan chair by his nurses. Meanwhile, I'm not saying BB is old, but he remembers them when they were Harrogate Locomotives.
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They're not nurses, HR, they're family making sure they get all my inheritance before Keir Starmer pinches it!