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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: StocksArmy on January 27, 2024, 05:30:57 pm
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Can't keep deflecting the blame away from the manager for these performances. If Maxwell is fit enough to train at full throttle you have to chance his fitness or at least start him in the hope we get a foothold in the game. Last week of the transfer window and we have done nothing other than bring Mcgrath in who is better than what we have but other than that we stick with the same personell, sign a load of strikers and still look clueless. When are we going to stop pretending this guy is our saviour? Schofield would not have got away with this season had he had the investment McCann has had. Thats a fact. Still also believe the extra funds are nowhere near meeting the required amount that is needed to compete in this league never mind push for promotion. What a complete mess this club has allowed itself to get into.
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Until McCann excepts it’s not goi go to happen we will all suffer . A phone call to Warnock and ask him to take over win loose or draw id sooner go out fighting than watch this pathetic , clueless and fraudulent team play another game .
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Can't keep deflecting the blame away from the manager for these performances. If Maxwell is fit enough to train at full throttle you have to chance his fitness or at least start him in the hope we get a foothold in the game. Last week of the transfer window and we have done nothing other than bring Mcgrath in who is better than what we have but other than that we stick with the same personell, sign a load of strikers and still look clueless. When are we going to stop pretending this guy is our saviour? Schofield would not have got away with this season had he had the investment McCann has had. Thats a fact. Still also believe the extra funds are nowhere near meeting the required amount that is needed to compete in this league never mind push for promotion. What an complete mess this club has allowed itself to get into.
We literally go around in circles.
How many managers have now failed to achieve at the club on the bounce?
How many managers have openly spoken out about lack of funds?
Look where we’re signing players from…. Is it not plainly obvious to you lot.
ITS LACK OF FUNDS.
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Can't keep deflecting the blame away from the manager for these performances. If Maxwell is fit enough to train at full throttle you have to chance his fitness or at least start him in the hope we get a foothold in the game. Last week of the transfer window and we have done nothing other than bring Mcgrath in who is better than what we have but other than that we stick with the same personell, sign a load of strikers and still look clueless. When are we going to stop pretending this guy is our saviour? Schofield would not have got away with this season had he had the investment McCann has had. Thats a fact. Still also believe the extra funds are nowhere near meeting the required amount that is needed to compete in this league never mind push for promotion. What an complete mess this club has allowed itself to get into.
We literally go around in circles.
How many managers have now failed to achieve at the club on the bounce?
How many managers have openly spoken out about lack of funds?
Look where we’re signing players from…. Is it not plainly obvious to you lot.
ITS LACK OF FUNDS.
These players are better than the performances we are getting. Lack of funds is a valid point, but do we have smaller budgets than many of those above us? Clearly not.
So why are they all getting more out of their funds than us?
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Pep Guardiola couldn't get a game out of these lads.
Main issue is lack of investment and bad recruitment.
McCann has a role to play in that recruitment issue, but it's mainly at Coppinger's door I'm afraid.
If McCann is on a rolling contract, he'll walk at end of season anyhow I'd imagine.
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Are we still on target for the Championship like Mr Bramall says?
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How instrumental is Copps any more in our recruitment? I thought McCann had total control now. I may be wrong.
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We aren’t going to get a better manager than McCann. It’s been another really disappointing season, but hopefully everyone holds firm. Rash decisions and emotional reactions won’t get us out of this mess. In time I trust McCann to get us improving. Today is a reminder of how much work there is to do.
Clearly recruitment remains a big issue.
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Get Klopp in :) :)
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To be fair Jonathan, if McCann is a good manager shouldn't we be getting better results with this squad? On paper they aren't that bad to be 22nd.
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We just seem to be piling up a huge squad with no real plan.
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How the hell have we ended up with 35 players (18ish of which have been signed in the last in the last 6-7 months) and we’re still this f**king shite?! It’s like a living nightmare with no end in sight.
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How instrumental is Copps any more in our recruitment? I thought McCann had total control now. I may be wrong.
He's the one going out and trying to get them to sign. McCann gives him a list of who he wants. I'd imagine most of players McCann wants, they can't get though. So we end up dealing in scraps. A more influential and experienced Head of Recruitment would give us one less headache. Club should of shown more pragmatism and less sentimentality with that role. Copps should be in an ambassador role and nothing more in my opinion.
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To be fair Jonathan, if McCann is a good manager shouldn't we be getting better results with this squad? On paper they aren't that bad to be 22nd.
If life was as simple as some people, then yes.
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Time to sack mcCann. Sick of reading about how good he thinks we are.
Results don't lie.
League position doesn't lie.
Team performance we witness doesn't lie.
He lies!
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Tactics today.
"Here's 11 names. Off you go and sort yersens out."
Absolutely f**king embarrassing.
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Losing to Stockport County by that score, i can’t believe it’s come to this. We used to be like Stockport, up and coming club, hard working. We need the ethic of the whole club to change its a mess to put it politely.
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Can't keep deflecting the blame away from the manager for these performances. If Maxwell is fit enough to train at full throttle you have to chance his fitness or at least start him in the hope we get a foothold in the game. Last week of the transfer window and we have done nothing other than bring Mcgrath in who is better than what we have but other than that we stick with the same personell, sign a load of strikers and still look clueless. When are we going to stop pretending this guy is our saviour? Schofield would not have got away with this season had he had the investment McCann has had. Thats a fact. Still also believe the extra funds are nowhere near meeting the required amount that is needed to compete in this league never mind push for promotion. What an complete mess this club has allowed itself to get into.
We literally go around in circles.
How many managers have now failed to achieve at the club on the bounce?
How many managers have openly spoken out about lack of funds?
Look where we’re signing players from…. Is it not plainly obvious to you lot.
ITS LACK OF FUNDS.
These players are better than the performances we are getting. Lack of funds is a valid point, but do we have smaller budgets than many of those above us? Clearly not.
So why are they all getting more out of their funds than us?
It’s rolled on hasn’t it. We signed a load of players with a poor budget. They’re still under contract
To counteract it we’ve signed a load more players using a more stretched poor budget as a last resort.
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Even mid-table teams are pulling away from us. So we are in the bottom group watching our backs. Staying up is the best we can hope for.
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Get rid of Mcann and it’s down down down . There has been progress I believe. It’s just not translated to results yet. No one in their right mind expected a win today . Any defeat is hard . ESP when 5 are hit past you. At home . Need more time . Perspective .
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Even mid-table teams are pulling away from us. So we are in the bottom group watching our backs. Staying up is the best we can hope for.
We are in a mini league of six or seven clubs, the worst two to go to the NL.
It has been coming to this for three years.
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Get Klopp in :) :)
Yes & I bet he'd play Rowe at left back aswell.
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5 Year Plan….. what year are we on now? Asking for a fan base
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Klopp wants a rest. Trying to work with Doncaster would be the hardest work of his life.
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Tactics today.
"Here's 11 names. Off you go and sort yersens out."
Absolutely f**king embarrassing.
Team selection wasn’t right was it.
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Copps should be feeding the ball to the forwards not in defence. And why have so many forwards on the bench at the start, and midfielders at the front? I am really baffled by McCann's team selection and start to wonder if he really has a grip on it all anymore. Even the players don't do what he wants. He had a week to prepare for this game.
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5 Year Plan….. what year are we on now? Asking for a fan base
Year 6. Although I think most clubs tend to do 5 year plans yearly.
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Can’t blame the board. TB has backed GM in this window.
Rowe absolutely garbage. Out of position all the time for there goals.
Hurst needs to go out on loan for experience and confidence.
He should have played Wood today to combat there hoof ball to the forwards.
Looks like the players aren’t playing for GM. Me and my lad were happy when he came back. We have no confidence in him now. Results do matter. But by god performances do as well. To many games where there is no commitment. That comes from the manager and his team. Something is not right between the players and manager
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Tactics today.
"Here's 11 names. Off you go and sort yersens out."
Absolutely f**king embarrassing.
Team selection wasn’t right was it.
Look at the facts.
We played Olowu and McGrath at centre back.
We conceded four goals from routine crosses into the six yard box in the first 45 and a half minutes.
Selection was shocking.
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Perspective NR.!!! Think a lot of us have had enough time and given enough time and money. I travel 3 hours round journey just for home games. I give my all. I never boo irrelevant how bad we are.
Asking the players and management to show commitment isn’t a lot to ask
I think the players are not playing for GM. He has had plenty of time. If he stays he needs to show he wants to stay and improve results
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Tactics today.
"Here's 11 names. Off you go and sort yersens out."
Absolutely f**king embarrassing.
Team selection wasn’t right was it.
Look at the facts.
We played Olowu and McGrath at centre back.
We conceded four goals from routine crosses into the six yard box in the first 45 and a half minutes.
Selection was shocking.
Wood needs to stay fit between now and May. Him and Bailey have to be given a run in the team at centre half.
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My opinion without going into detail is.... there is no respect from the players towards the manager. He has no authority over them no matter who he signs and picks on a matchday. If he had, these performances would happen 3 times a season maximum. Today was disgusting. There was so much wrong with that performance.
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Excluding the circumstances of the crosses being put in in the first place, do we think Jones should be claiming any of those balls into the six yard box?
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He attempted to come for the 1st goal and that was a disaster
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Excluding the circumstances of the crosses being put in in the first place, do we think Jones should be claiming any of those balls into the six yard box?
We’ve been conceding goals from crosses for 3 years now, Jones hasn’t been in goal that long.
Same defensive performances since the 3-1 defeat at Fleetwood and that ‘everyone gave up’ defensive display v Peterborough 0-4.
Something is very wrong in the club. Until the players we had then have all gone this negative influence will remain.
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Tactics today.
"Here's 11 names. Off you go and sort yersens out."
Absolutely f**king embarrassing.
Team selection wasn’t right was it.
Look at the facts.
We played Olowu and McGrath at centre back.
We conceded four goals from routine crosses into the six yard box in the first 45 and a half minutes.
Selection was shocking.
Wood needs to stay fit between now and May. Him and Bailey have to be given a run in the team at centre half.
Got to agree. Surely to god we don’t concede goals that easily with an established centre half and organiser.
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If Adelakun and Waters are match fit now but cup tied for Tuesday, why didn’t they start today?
Lone striker no support with that midfield and wide players. Was obvious looking at the line up.
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Can't keep deflecting the blame away from the manager for these performances. If Maxwell is fit enough to train at full throttle you have to chance his fitness or at least start him in the hope we get a foothold in the game. Last week of the transfer window and we have done nothing other than bring Mcgrath in who is better than what we have but other than that we stick with the same personell, sign a load of strikers and still look clueless. When are we going to stop pretending this guy is our saviour? Schofield would not have got away with this season had he had the investment McCann has had. Thats a fact. Still also believe the extra funds are nowhere near meeting the required amount that is needed to compete in this league never mind push for promotion. What an complete mess this club has allowed itself to get into.
We literally go around in circles.
How many managers have now failed to achieve at the club on the bounce?
How many managers have openly spoken out about lack of funds?
Look where we’re signing players from…. Is it not plainly obvious to you lot.
ITS LACK OF FUNDS.
Lack of funds? He brought in 5 players and used 2 of them today. He's out of his depth. Total myth
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Some of the signings baffle me, we sign the lad fron spurs and he plays exactly like broadbent and biggins, sine westbrooke has been injured we have lacked amy creativity
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I’m going out on a limb here.
The current playing staff have no investment at all in Doncaster Rovers . As a football club.
They care not for the club. Or the town. Or those that pay their wages . It’s that simple .
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I don't understand what the Conor Carty signing is all about. Its like weve signed him to sit on the bench. McCann could sit me down and explain his reason for not starting Adelakun, Waters and Maxwell and I guarentee it would still baffle me. Why haven't we signed a GK and why have we only tickled around the fact that we ship goals every game and then signed 3 attacking players to sit on the bench? And taking your top scorer off at HT just makes you look even more stupid. TB needs somebody in this club who knows football because this is like going to the races and giving your betting money to somebody with a members badge.
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Can't keep deflecting the blame away from the manager for these performances. If Maxwell is fit enough to train at full throttle you have to chance his fitness or at least start him in the hope we get a foothold in the game. Last week of the transfer window and we have done nothing other than bring Mcgrath in who is better than what we have but other than that we stick with the same personell, sign a load of strikers and still look clueless. When are we going to stop pretending this guy is our saviour? Schofield would not have got away with this season had he had the investment McCann has had. Thats a fact. Still also believe the extra funds are nowhere near meeting the required amount that is needed to compete in this league never mind push for promotion. What an complete mess this club has allowed itself to get into.
We literally go around in circles.
How many managers have now failed to achieve at the club on the bounce?
How many managers have openly spoken out about lack of funds?
Look where we’re signing players from…. Is it not plainly obvious to you lot.
ITS LACK OF FU
And poor investmentsNDS.
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It is almost like we want to go down. Why haven’t the weaknesses in our side been seen and remedied?
All that hard work it took to get promoted up the leagues, being undone by people who don’t care which league we are in.
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The budget isn’t the issue. It’s something else. Either the players we’ve signed are nowhere as good as we thought they were, or they aren’t playing for McCann
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We have been very, very poor at defending balls into the box for a long time now.
McCaan said before the game that Paddy Madden was a real threat up front & we have to be aware of that. So 5 minutes in & they get their first corner & who gets a free header with not a Rovers player with 3 yards of him, Madden.
His second headed goal where, at 5’9”, he’s head & shoulders above Ben Close to meet the cross into the box.
I feared the worst when I saw the team sheet with Olowu ‘partnering’ McGrath in the middle & yet again Tommy Rowe at left back, THIS playing against the league leaders!
Their second corner they had 4 big men lined up at the back post you could see what was coming before the kick was taken. Another goal scored from a set piece because we don’t know how to mark players, or as our kid said, we have no one who thinks ‘right this ball is mine I don’t care if I take two of my team mates out to clear it it’s mine’.
Yet again Joe Ironside (I sincerely hope he was substituted at half time because he’d taken a knock) was ploughing a lone furrow up front. Contrast that to Madden who on at least three occasions when receiving the ball to his feet with a defender at his back simply flicked the ball past himself & the defender straight into the path of a County player as they stormed out.
As has been said, we need to play Wood in central defence who, as the only player on the books who has any kind of organisational nouse, can at least ensure we stop conceding, time after time, these balls into the box. Owen Bailey has proved to be our best CB this season despite not being a giant he rarely misses a heading challenge so he has to play there for the remainder of this season.
We have to stop shipping goals as from now.
Stockport are clearly a good side & I think we all knew that this fixture could be a defining moment in our season thus far. Win & the supporters could appreciate all the apparent hard work & tactical nouse Grant can bring out of this group, lose in the manner that we did & well, look at the threads on this forum.
So let’s stop kidding ourselves Grant, we clearly don’t have the players capable of playing ‘on the front foot with pace able to close the opposition down, stifle their attacking options’ etc, etc,.
Let’s make ourselves solid at the back, stop playing players out of position (never want to see Tommy at LB again) let’s get support to Ironside upfront & by that I mean find him a strike partner not ‘support’ him by playing two wide men up front who if they’re unable to get close enough to him to give that support may as well just cross balls into the box & hope for the best, as happened today.
I truly believe we do have the players able to still turn this dreadful season around.
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My opinion without going into detail is.... there is no respect from the players towards the manager. He has no authority over them no matter who he signs and picks on a matchday. If he had, these performances would happen 3 times a season maximum. Today was disgusting. There was so much wrong with that performance.
Whilst budget is an issue, do you think GM has lost the dressing room? I'm starting to think he has.
There's very little hunger from some of these lads, work ethic is wrong & they're here simply to pick up a wage. Completely the wrong attitude.
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If we lose against Sutton next week, things could really start to turn sour.
Effort needs to be concentrated on surviving this season, rather than progressing any further in the cup.
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My opinion without going into detail is.... there is no respect from the players towards the manager. He has no authority over them no matter who he signs and picks on a matchday. If he had, these performances would happen 3 times a season maximum. Today was disgusting. There was so much wrong with that performance.
Whilst budget is an issue, do you think GM has lost the dressing room? I'm starting to think he has.
There's very little hunger from some of these lads, work ethic is wrong & they're here simply to pick up a wage. Completely the wrong attitude.
For a fact the players are just not getting it. Whatever he is trying to implement they are not buying into it. The team is now well known for throwing the towel in when times are tough and McCann feels its unfair when a reporter presses him on lack of effort from the team. 22nd with a much better budget than all the recent managers. Shambles.
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If I was the owner I'd extend Cliff and Grants contract and show the players who I back!! Enough of players under performing and senseless managerial changes..
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I get your sentiment CR but I’d imagine Grant is quite happy with a 1 year rolling.
Personally, I don't think Grant will be here in 2 years time.
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I get your sentiment CR but I’d imagine Grant is quite happy with a 1 year rolling.
Personally, I don't think Grant will be here in 2 years time.
I don't think he will be here next week, we'll loose on Saturday and he'll walk, I was surprised he didn't can it in after Saturday.
He is killing what's left of his reputation and career staying with us.
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I get your sentiment CR but I’d imagine Grant is quite happy with a 1 year rolling.
Personally, I don't think Grant will be here in 2 years time.
I don't think he will be here next week, we'll loose on Saturday and he'll walk, I was surprised he didn't can it in after Saturday.
He is killing what's left of his reputation and career staying with us.
But you could say that quitting is not going with his convictions.
He might be better thought of if he stays to the end of the season and if we do get relegated at least he tried to keep us up.
Leaving would be a cowards way out.
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Not sure that would affect his future employment, Hound. If he thinks he'll be better off without another relegation on his CV, and he's in with a chance of a move to a L2 club that is less of a basket case, he'd be mad not to walk and start rebuilding his career.
We all thought Wellens was a disaster here, but him being sacked didn't stop him getting a plum job at Orient that he was ultimately successful in. I suspect most clubs in the league know that we're a mess and if a manager fails here, that failure will be more or less 'priced in' when they go for an interview. Especially in the case of a proven manager like McCann, who can point to his League One winners medal.
That's so sad to me. We were once a club that you felt were an attractive proposition for talented staff and players, and now all that goodwill has been pissed away by years of bad decisions.
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Isn't continuity what we need right now?
If we did appoint a new manager wouldn't he be in the same place as Grant, i.e. needing to clear out dead wood and actively recruit for next season?
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Isn't continuity what we need right now?
If we did appoint a new manager wouldn't he be in the same place as Grant, i.e. needing to clear out dead wood and actively recruit for next season?
I think the ‘theme’ is erring on the side of Grant leaving of his own volition SM.
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Isn't continuity what we need right now?
If we did appoint a new manager wouldn't he be in the same place as Grant, i.e. needing to clear out dead wood and actively recruit for next season?
I think the ‘theme’ is erring on the side of Grant leaving of his own volition SM.
Hmm, can’t see that happening.
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He probably wants another promotion on his cv so he’ll stay.
Don’t think he banked on it being from the National league though.
Big week for us and Sutton!