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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Nudga on January 27, 2024, 10:15:18 pm
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Officially put the club up for sale and invite serious offers?
The club has totally gone stale and not even the early Grant McCann buzz has managed to stop the alarming slide.
We've been lied to about budgets etc and it's obvious that budgets have been piss poor. I know for a fact it was bad last season when Schofield told his dad he couldn't sign better than Sunday league players.
TB hasn't got it in him to drag this club up by the scruff of its neck, that much was obvious from the latest MTO event. He didn't fill me with confidence and still gave the impression that a serious playing budget wasn't forthcoming.
It's time to get the feelers out and see if there are any serious people out there who have the nous, finances, passion and massive b*llocks to unlock our potential.
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Nudga.
We've got 35 players in the first team squad!
How much do you reckon that is costing Bramall?
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A lot more than last season granted, what were his words, "out performing the budget" or something along those lines.
McGrath, Sotona, the loanees, Bailey and a chunk of that 35 being kids won't be on a great deal.
We have though, wasted valuable budget on Wood, sterry, Broadbent, Lawlor new deal for Anderson and a couple of others who I forget now.
Yes we have 35 players but I bet it's (the budget) still nowhere near Notts County, Mansfield or Stockport. There's a lot of shite in that 35.
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Nudga.
We've got 35 players in the first team squad!
How much do you reckon that is costing Bramall?
The fact that the squad has got so inflated shows there’s been no coherent plan for a long time. We brought in a HoF to stop things like this happening. We had a great chance to change the ethos around the club, a great reset to use a bit of a cliche. We blew it. We were so close to implementing a structure that could have worked for us and we gave the job to the wrong man. Even after that, we had to keep faith with the plan and find the right man. Scrapping that structure all together yet another sign of lurching from one disaster to another.
I agree with Nuga. Bramall has to go if a credible bidder comes in. Pretty sure Blunt will want some £ out of the club though which will put a cloud over any asking price.
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Brammall has taken over as Chairman because he felt the club was underperforming.
Right, but what specifically is he planning to do ?
Because he certainly didn't say it at the MTO event.
My feeling is that he can't do anything, the damage has been done, by blunt and himself.
This club is f**ked.
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The club has always been up for sale .
For the right buyer.
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If TB will only relinquish control to a “genuine Rovers fan” then he’s not going to sell it in his lifetime. If there was a genuine fan out there with boat loads of money to buy the club surely they’d have done so by now.
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The club has always been up for sale .
For the right buyer.
But it's never been advertised widely as such.
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Nudga.
We've got 35 players in the first team squad!
How much do you reckon that is costing Bramall?
This is such a poor point. Serious question back to you - how much do you think it's costing him?
The answer is nowhere near enough to get us fighting for promotion. Or even fighting for midtable.
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Whether he’s spending money or not, things clearly aren’t working. But I’m not hearing any admission from the board/chairman that the way we operate isn’t very good and needs changing, just that we need to spend more money.
I really don’t understand why he’d want to see his money continue to be wasted? It appears to be a huge blind spot.
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The club has always been up for sale .
For the right buyer.
But it's never been advertised widely as such.
Every football club is up for sale.
For the right buyer.
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The club has always been up for sale .
For the right buyer.
But it's never been advertised widely as such.
Doesn't need to be. Plenty of messages over the last decade. If someone is dumb enough to want to buy us they will.
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He doesn’t want any outside investment, but what he puts in isn’t enough, to challenge for promotion. The quality of players coming in has dropped and so have the performances. Time for the club to be sold.
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When JR left 10 years ago we were in the 2nd tier, and now we're circling the plughole of the Football League - the level we were at 30 years ago when we didn't have a pot to piss in and were getting crowds of just over 2000.
The way the football club is being run by these people clearly isn't working. How many more leagues do we have to fall through before they realise that maybe they're part the problem?
There has been a serious lack of direction, drive and ambition at the club for years, with any money that is put in getting immediately swallowed up firefighting previous bad decisions.
This is a zombie ownership - existing, but mindlessly stumbling around without purpose. If nothing changes I don't see us getting out of the rut we're currently stuck in.
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The budget for this season is more than enough to have us challenging for the top 7. But yet again our recruitment has been terrible, plus the fact we are still carrying rubbish signed by the previous regimes.
Fact is McCann is massively underachieving with the resources he has. You could point to injuries as an excuse and that’s some what true, but with most now finally coming back to fitness this theory will be tested in the next few months.
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I welcomed GM back and thought yes, he will turn it around, maybe not straight away. But I now think he is out of his league.
Yes we have had injuries but to moan he has 29 players to work with in training when he only likes to work with 22 max.
Faal leaving, was there more to this, did he have issues with GM and the management? Have our players got issues with the management? As I said on another post, to me it looks like the players are not playing for him.
Playing Rowe at LB when Maxwell is on the bench? Awful decision. If Maxwell is on the bench he is fit enough to start.
Front 3, ineffective. Even Ironsides body language wasn’t good yesterday. Tells me something is not right.
Can’t blame TB. Has backed GM in this window. But why get so many new faces in if he knew players would be back? Then moan he has to many to work with in training.
Can’t blame Jones. If he hasn’t got a settled 10 never mind defence in front of him, it will be hard. He makes the odd mistake but has come a long way and will continue too.
It’s already been said by others, GM doesn’t know his best 11 and that doesn’t help with continuity or progress.
Why has he not played Faulkner. Again is there issues with management.
Probably will win at Bradford now. But to me the Sutton game is now GM game of the season. Lose and i think he should go. People say there is no one out there. Flynn knows this league and has done ok esp when Newport.
I might get shot down by some people but they are just my thoughts.
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With the money freed up from letting the losers and crocked players go in the summer I would invest the money in the infrastructure on the footballing side before attempting to sign quality. Or else how will we attract it?
Strength and conditioning needs upgrading in the same way the medical department did. Every opposition player has seems to have an extra zip about them.
Then invest more money in to recruitment / long term strategy. Coppinger, whilst he has been a legend for the club epitomises the head in the clouds wishful thinking that has got us to the point.
There needs to be a top football brain between Bramall and the coaching staff. Not just an ok one for the level. This is another thing we do. We sign average players or offer them extended deals for the sake of continuity or because they’re nice lads rather than trying to be one step ahead of the pack. Other teams sign decent players and have plans in place as well you know.
We see that attitude on here. “Moly works hard” “Olowu put some good blocks in” “Close can pick a pass”. THAT’S THEIR JOB.
We need some serious individuals recruited in the summer. Players who understand what it takes to deliver success day in day out and the effort and planning that has to be put in both on and off the pitch to do so. These lot just go through the motions. McCann said “best week in training” then they just can’t be arsed to concentrate for 90 mins. Then a goal goes in and they hide behind the collective team being poor rather than taking responsibility for themselves or demanding better from each other.
Someone asked if McCann has lost the dressing room. Whilst he has been a disappointment this year, I think rather than the manager losing the dressing room, the dressing room is losing the manager.
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Knows the club. Knows the area. These can no longer be recruitment objectives.
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I don’t see what changing ownership would do, we’re not gonna get anyone richer than Terry. We obviously haven’t got a bottom 3 budget, but somehow Grant and his team have used what budget they have to make us a bottom 3 team.
Unless Terry has been the one taking training and signing all these useless players, I can’t see how he’s the problem.
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I don’t see what changing ownership would do, we’re not gonna get anyone richer than Terry. We obviously haven’t got a bottom 3 budget, but somehow Grant and his team have used what budget they have to make us a bottom 3 team.
Unless Terry has been the one taking training and signing all these useless players, I can’t see how he’s the problem.
Do the owners of the club not make critical decisions in regards to the running of the club and its strategy?
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It’s understandable to an extent in that the core, senior figures in this squad have been at the heart of the total failure of the last few season. As a result they are going to be psychologically damaged by what has happened. Anderson, Olowu, Close, Rowe, Taylor. All on good money and all fatally damaged by what has happened. It’s best for them and us if there is a clean break. Those lads deserve the chance to rebuild somewhere else without the baggage.
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Taylor's now responsible for the performances of the last 3 years?
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The club has always been up for sale .
For the right buyer.
But it's never been advertised widely as such.
Every football club is up for sale.
For the right buyer.
Yep.
As Ive said before, selling a football club isn't like selling a house, or selling a typical business. Most clubs are up for sale, after all owning a loss making business isn't an ideal or attractive proposition for anybody.
We do have some things going for us though, we're debt free, a decent stadium (no need to invest too much there), a community club which helps when attracting sponsors etc., and a business model that generates significant income. We just need to make sure that we don't attract sharks or asset strippers.
And that's why TB has always said he would sell up if the right people came along, why wouldn't he? He doesn't need to massage his ego, he gets no direct benefit from owning the club, he doesn't run around telling everybody he's Chairman of a football club and enjoying the hospitality of the EFL, FA, etc at all their monthly shindigs.
There are agents in football who deal in buying and selling of clubs, much like they deal with players, and of course we're on their radar (who isn't) but as yet nothing beyond casual enquiries. So, as TB said at the MTO, he doesn't need a financial partner, but that doesn't mean he'd turn one down if somebody offered.
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The club has always been up for sale .
For the right buyer.
But it's never been advertised widely as such.
Every football club is up for sale.
For the right buyer.
Yep.
As Ive said before, selling a football club isn't like selling a house, or selling a typical business. Most clubs are up for sale, after all owning a loss making business isn't an ideal or attractive proposition for anybody.
We do have some things going for us though, we're debt free, a decent stadium (no need to invest too much there), a community club which helps when attracting sponsors etc., and a business model that generates significant income. We just need to make sure that we don't attract sharks or asset strippers.
And that's why TB has always said he would sell up if the right people came along, why wouldn't he? He doesn't need to massage his ego, he gets no direct benefit from owning the club, he doesn't run around telling everybody he's Chairman of a football club and enjoying the hospitality of the EFL, FA, etc at all their monthly shindigs.
There are agents in football who deal in buying and selling of clubs, much like they deal with players, and of course we're on their radar (who isn't) but as yet nothing beyond casual enquiries. So, as TB said at the MTO, he doesn't need a financial partner, but that doesn't mean he'd turn one down if somebody offered.
Why can't he hire someone qualified to run a football club... as was the plan prior to inexplicably giving the job to Coppinger?
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Nudga.
We've got 35 players in the first team squad!
How much do you reckon that is costing Bramall?
The fact that the squad has got so inflated shows there’s been no coherent plan for a long time. We brought in a HoF to stop things like this happening. We had a great chance to change the ethos around the club, a great reset to use a bit of a cliche. We blew it. We were so close to implementing a structure that could have worked for us and we gave the job to the wrong man. Even after that, we had to keep faith with the plan and find the right man. Scrapping that structure all together yet another sign of lurching from one disaster to another.
I agree with Nuga. Bramall has to go if a credible bidder comes in. Pretty sure Blunt will want some £ out of the club though which will put a cloud over any asking price.
100 percent agree with your first paragraph less so with the last one.
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Everything will be fine after we beat Bradford on Tuesday....
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Maybe it does need a change in owner to just come in and shake things up off the pitch. A fair few people need to go and that’s before we get to the players where pretty much to a man we want shot of them.
A new owner might be attracted that we are rock bottom and in theory their money will go further.
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Maybe it does need a change in owner to just come in and shake things up off the pitch. A fair few people need to go and that’s before we get to the players where pretty much to a man we want shot of them.
A new owner might be attracted that we are rock bottom and in theory their money will go further.
Like Wrexham. They bought them because it's cheaper to get to the PL with them than buying someone like Leeds, Wolves, Sheff Wed.
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People keep saying what if the wrong people get control of the club.
Well what happens if the right people get it.
We won’t know of course until it happens but I would have loved it if those Hollywood lads had taken over at Rovers.
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A new owner would improve the club no end by removing Copps from any position to influence recruitment etc. wouldn’t have to spend a penny.
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Maybe it does need a change in owner to just come in and shake things up off the pitch. A fair few people need to go and that’s before we get to the players where pretty much to a man we want shot of them.
A new owner might be attracted that we are rock bottom and in theory their money will go further.
Like Wrexham. They bought them because it's cheaper to get to the PL with them than buying someone like Leeds, Wolves, Sheff Wed.
That is true and one of the other major factors was the potential of North Wales with little competition around there (only Chester) and Wrexham historically had a bigger fan base. They did their homework.
They wouldn't consider a club surrounded by 6 other clubs within 20 miles, as they know the potential is limited. Similar reasons why that American family took over at Carlisle having considered a number of other clubs.
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Blunt and TB must have put together the strategy for coming out of Covid and the implications of that. We’ve spiralled since then. That strategy has paid a huge part in us being where we are. How can we not blame the owners??
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Maybe it does need a change in owner to just come in and shake things up off the pitch. A fair few people need to go and that’s before we get to the players where pretty much to a man we want shot of them.
A new owner might be attracted that we are rock bottom and in theory their money will go further.
Like Wrexham. They bought them because it's cheaper to get to the PL with them than buying someone like Leeds, Wolves, Sheff Wed.
That is true and one of the other major factors was the potential of North Wales with little competition around there (only Chester) and Wrexham historically had a bigger fan base. They did their homework.
They wouldn't consider a club surrounded by 6 other clubs within 20 miles, as they know the potential is limited. Similar reasons why that American family took over at Carlisle having considered a number of other clubs.
They rejected a lot of other potential clubs before deciding on Wrexham. Most of those other clubs are still looking for extra 'investment' (somebody to give their money away to them).
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/wrexham-fc-ryan-reynolds-football-league-b2336288.html
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Maybe it does need a change in owner to just come in and shake things up off the pitch. A fair few people need to go and that’s before we get to the players where pretty much to a man we want shot of them.
A new owner might be attracted that we are rock bottom and in theory their money will go further.
Like Wrexham. They bought them because it's cheaper to get to the PL with them than buying someone like Leeds, Wolves, Sheff Wed.
That is true and one of the other major factors was the potential of North Wales with little competition around there (only Chester) and Wrexham historically had a bigger fan base. They did their homework.
They wouldn't consider a club surrounded by 6 other clubs within 20 miles, as they know the potential is limited. Similar reasons why that American family took over at Carlisle having considered a number of other clubs.
I know what you're saying but in my opening post I said about unlocking our potential.
We have a 300,000 population in metropolitan borough which has never really been tapped into.
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Maybe it does need a change in owner to just come in and shake things up off the pitch. A fair few people need to go and that’s before we get to the players where pretty much to a man we want shot of them.
A new owner might be attracted that we are rock bottom and in theory their money will go further.
Like Wrexham. They bought them because it's cheaper to get to the PL with them than buying someone like Leeds, Wolves, Sheff Wed.
That is true and one of the other major factors was the potential of North Wales with little competition around there (only Chester) and Wrexham historically had a bigger fan base. They did their homework.
They wouldn't consider a club surrounded by 6 other clubs within 20 miles, as they know the potential is limited. Similar reasons why that American family took over at Carlisle having considered a number of other clubs.
I know what you're saying but in my opening post I said about unlocking our potential.
We have a 300,000 population in metropolitan borough which has never really been tapped into.
It's not me you need to convince. If it's never really been tapped into, it would take a huge gamble for someone with the resources and patience and vision to build something, considering the competition around us. That's why JRs achievement was exceptional.
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It has been tapped into, for decades... Leeds; Wednesday to mention just two.
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Maybe it does need a change in owner to just come in and shake things up off the pitch. A fair few people need to go and that’s before we get to the players where pretty much to a man we want shot of them.
A new owner might be attracted that we are rock bottom and in theory their money will go further.
Like Wrexham. They bought them because it's cheaper to get to the PL with them than buying someone like Leeds, Wolves, Sheff Wed.
That is true and one of the other major factors was the potential of North Wales with little competition around there (only Chester) and Wrexham historically had a bigger fan base. They did their homework.
They wouldn't consider a club surrounded by 6 other clubs within 20 miles, as they know the potential is limited. Similar reasons why that American family took over at Carlisle having considered a number of other clubs.
Baz, which six clubs within 20 miles of Doncaster are you including.
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Maybe it does need a change in owner to just come in and shake things up off the pitch. A fair few people need to go and that’s before we get to the players where pretty much to a man we want shot of them.
A new owner might be attracted that we are rock bottom and in theory their money will go further.
Like Wrexham. They bought them because it's cheaper to get to the PL with them than buying someone like Leeds, Wolves, Sheff Wed.
That is true and one of the other major factors was the potential of North Wales with little competition around there (only Chester) and Wrexham historically had a bigger fan base. They did their homework.
They wouldn't consider a club surrounded by 6 other clubs within 20 miles, as they know the potential is limited. Similar reasons why that American family took over at Carlisle having considered a number of other clubs.
Baz, which six clubs within 20 miles of Doncaster are you including.
Well excuse my geography and counting but you know where I'm coming from. It's there in the article wilts posted, although who knows whether there might be someone out there willing to take a punt at some point and I guess sooner or later we'll find out.
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I’ve never understood this 300,000 people point. In the second tier playing attractive football we still couldn’t fill our 15,000 seat stadium. The people of Doncaster just either aren’t interested or are already Leeds/Wednesday/Man U fans.
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I’ve never understood this 300,000 people point. In the second tier playing attractive football we still couldn’t fill our 15,000 seat stadium. The people of Doncaster just either aren’t interested or are already Leeds/Wednesday/Man U fans.
Exactly. And any prospective buyer who does their research will look into that. Of course, there maybe exceptions but generally as we have seen, buyers find the club rather than visa versa.
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I’ve never understood this 300,000 people point. In the second tier playing attractive football we still couldn’t fill our 15,000 seat stadium. The people of Doncaster just either aren’t interested or are already Leeds/Wednesday/Man U fans.
In my opinion it takes longer than 4 or 5 seasons in the championship to build the fan base further.
Forget about those already supporting the clubs you mentioned, we aren't going to attract them. We need to keep the kids and teenagers coming back and they want to see winning football.
We need at least ten years in the championship, and not just avoiding relegation every season either.
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Burnley's population is a 3rd of ours and they do alright with some big clubs around them.
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Burnley's population is a 3rd of ours and they do alright with some big clubs around them.
Exactly this and I was going to use Burnley as a prime example.
Blackburn and Darwin has a population of 150,000 and they do OK.
Jack Walker was obviously a fan, similar to JR and look what he did for them.
A shame JR doesn't have TB money eh.
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The club has always been up for sale .
For the right buyer.
But it's never been advertised widely as such.
Every football club is up for sale.
For the right buyer.
Yep.
As Ive said before, selling a football club isn't like selling a house, or selling a typical business. Most clubs are up for sale, after all owning a loss making business isn't an ideal or attractive proposition for anybody.
We do have some things going for us though, we're debt free, a decent stadium (no need to invest too much there), a community club which helps when attracting sponsors etc., and a business model that generates significant income. We just need to make sure that we don't attract sharks or asset strippers.
And that's why TB has always said he would sell up if the right people came along, why wouldn't he? He doesn't need to massage his ego, he gets no direct benefit from owning the club, he doesn't run around telling everybody he's Chairman of a football club and enjoying the hospitality of the EFL, FA, etc at all their monthly shindigs.
There are agents in football who deal in buying and selling of clubs, much like they deal with players, and of course we're on their radar (who isn't) but as yet nothing beyond casual enquiries. So, as TB said at the MTO, he doesn't need a financial partner, but that doesn't mean he'd turn one down if somebody offered.
Can I ask about these casual enquiries please?
How regular are they, do they request a sell price?Or just any intention to sell?
Who are the buyers (local, foreign etc).
I’m just curious how a casual enquiry goes and how frequent they are.
Could our asking price be stopping a casual enquiry becoming a firm interest?
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I doubt there’s an asking price as such, anyone interested would work out how much they thought we were worth to them and offer that, then it’s up to the board whether they accept or not.
Need to be careful because in our position I bet there’s a few vultures circling.
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Circling for what purpose? The "vultures" normally circle with a view to cherry pick, we don't own the stadium or the land around why would buyers be intersted in outr players and possibly training ground. Lets face it we are not an attractive proposition for any money men
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Circling for what purpose? The "vultures" normally circle with a view to cherry pick, we don't own the stadium or the land around why would buyers be intersted in outr players and possibly training ground. Lets face it we are not an attractive proposition for any money men
This precipitates some horrible negative thoughts.
What if our owners get fed up with tbe whole thing and recoup investment losses by selling off the training ground?
I dont know of anything to stop them doing so other than altruism.
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Circling for what purpose? The "vultures" normally circle with a view to cherry pick, we don't own the stadium or the land around why would buyers be intersted in outr players and possibly training ground. Lets face it we are not an attractive proposition for any money men
No we don't own them, but we did sign a 99 year lease for them, which is as good as.
Why do you think we got interest from a dodgy hedge fund when the lease arrangement was first announced?
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Circling for what purpose? The "vultures" normally circle with a view to cherry pick, we don't own the stadium or the land around why would buyers be intersted in outr players and possibly training ground. Lets face it we are not an attractive proposition for any money men
No we don't own them, but we did sign a 99 year lease for them, which is as good as.
Why do you think we got interest from a dodgy hedge fund when the lease arrangement was first announced?
Genuine question. How did they see that as a money making opportunity? Did ownership of a long term lease give the possibility of building around the site?
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Circling for what purpose? The "vultures" normally circle with a view to cherry pick, we don't own the stadium or the land around why would buyers be intersted in outr players and possibly training ground. Lets face it we are not an attractive proposition for any money men
No we don't own them, but we did sign a 99 year lease for them, which is as good as.
Why do you think we got interest from a dodgy hedge fund when the lease arrangement was first announced?
Surely they couldn't develop the ground or area surrounding so what was their interest?
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We know full well there are owners who are looking for a return in their investment, often through financing the club to the hilt plus using all sorts of mechanisms like leasing back stadiums. Clubs who have gone up and down from the PL using parachute payments as security for further loans etc. Then, there's fewer genuine philanthropists who invest their own money and are in it for the long term becoming part or the community.
We already have one and although we can debate the shortcomings of TBs strategy and overall 'intetest' there's plenty of clubs who would love to have our ownership. Granted, it's time limited and sooner or later, we may be begging for someone of TBs ilk to come along.
We keep going around in the same circles of debate, so is it not better to influence and work with what we have?
It's understandable the frustrations over strategy etc Can anyone clearly see what TBs current strategy is over and above what he said at Meet the Owners?
TBs just taken a more hands on role as Chairman, but what's going to change on a day to day basis? What is TB doing to hold McCann to account over results and recruitment? Are all our eggs in the McCann basket?
Is it time for someone to dig deeper and ask those burning questions?
In theory, this should be the shadow board holding TB, GB and McCann to account and reporting back on a regular basis.
I'm sure if we're sensible about it, we can put together a list of probing questions to put to the board?
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Circling for what purpose? The "vultures" normally circle with a view to cherry pick, we don't own the stadium or the land around why would buyers be intersted in outr players and possibly training ground. Lets face it we are not an attractive proposition for any money men
No we don't own them, but we did sign a 99 year lease for them, which is as good as.
Why do you think we got interest from a dodgy hedge fund when the lease arrangement was first announced?
Genuine question. How did they see that as a money making opportunity? Did ownership of a long term lease give the possibility of building around the site?
Well that's exactly it.
That's what they considered valuable, the land that surrounds the stadium was what drew them in. They weren't interested in the football club, not at all.
And for those who keep banging on about TB not being a football fan how do you imagine a hedge fund based in Belize would perform in that regard?
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Circling for what purpose? The "vultures" normally circle with a view to cherry pick, we don't own the stadium or the land around why would buyers be intersted in outr players and possibly training ground. Lets face it we are not an attractive proposition for any money men
No we don't own them, but we did sign a 99 year lease for them, which is as good as.
I believe the lease was signed by Terry Bramhall and Dick Watson on behalf of Doncaster Rovers Ltd, 7 days before Club Doncaster was registered at Companies House. The lease also includes the training ground at Cantley.
Since then the Club Doncaster family has expanded considerably.
Where does "ownership" of the lease lie now?
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Circling for what purpose? The "vultures" normally circle with a view to cherry pick, we don't own the stadium or the land around why would buyers be intersted in outr players and possibly training ground. Lets face it we are not an attractive proposition for any money men
No we don't own them, but we did sign a 99 year lease for them, which is as good as.
Why do you think we got interest from a dodgy hedge fund when the lease arrangement was first announced?
Genuine question. How did they see that as a money making opportunity? Did ownership of a long term lease give the possibility of building around the site?
Well that's exactly it.
That's what they considered valuable, the land that surrounds the stadium was what drew them in. They weren't interested in the football club, not at all.
And for those who keep banging on about TB not being a football fan how do you imagine a hedge fund based in Belize would perform in that regard?
Sorry SM but why the need to buy a football club to get their hands on land the club doesn't own? I know they would have no interest in the Club but the land around doesn't belong to the club so why shell out on DRFC just to get access to the leased land around, how would our lease help in any development plans, as you can guess I'm no business man
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Circling for what purpose? The "vultures" normally circle with a view to cherry pick, we don't own the stadium or the land around why would buyers be intersted in outr players and possibly training ground. Lets face it we are not an attractive proposition for any money men
No we don't own them, but we did sign a 99 year lease for them, which is as good as.
I believe the lease was signed by Terry Bramhall and Dick Watson on behalf of Doncaster Rovers Ltd, 7 days before Club Doncaster was registered at Companies House. The lease also includes the training ground at Cantley.
Since then the Club Doncaster family has expanded considerably.
Where does "ownership" of the lease lie now?
No, that's not correct at all.
The lease has been held by the Foundation, the charitable arm of the club, and always has.
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Circling for what purpose? The "vultures" normally circle with a view to cherry pick, we don't own the stadium or the land around why would buyers be intersted in outr players and possibly training ground. Lets face it we are not an attractive proposition for any money men
No we don't own them, but we did sign a 99 year lease for them, which is as good as.
Why do you think we got interest from a dodgy hedge fund when the lease arrangement was first announced?
Genuine question. How did they see that as a money making opportunity? Did ownership of a long term lease give the possibility of building around the site?
Well that's exactly it.
That's what they considered valuable, the land that surrounds the stadium was what drew them in. They weren't interested in the football club, not at all.
And for those who keep banging on about TB not being a football fan how do you imagine a hedge fund based in Belize would perform in that regard?
Sorry SM but why the need to buy a football club to get their hands on land the club doesn't own? I know they would have no interest in the Club but the land around doesn't belong to the club so why shell out on DRFC just to get access to the leased land around, how would our lease help in any development plans, as you can guess I'm no business man
The club, through the foundation, own the lease. Get the club, get the lease, get the land.
That's why the VSC took out an ACV on the land and stadium.
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I’ve never understood this 300,000 people point. In the second tier playing attractive football we still couldn’t fill our 15,000 seat stadium. The people of Doncaster just either aren’t interested or are already Leeds/Wednesday/Man U fans.
Going to a football match nowadays is quite expensive, and when you pay to watch shite week in week out, you get to the point we’re some have to say enough is enough on spending hard earned money, despite it being the club you love.
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No, that's not correct at all.
The lease has been held by the Foundation, the charitable arm of the club, and always has.
Thanks for the information. According to Companies House records, there is a charge registered for the stadium and land dated 13 Sep 2013 against Doncaster Rovers Limited (while the company was still known as Patienceform Limited).
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No, that's not correct at all.
The lease has been held by the Foundation, the charitable arm of the club, and always has.
Thanks for the information. According to Companies House records, there is a charge registered for the stadium and land dated 13 Sep 2013 against Doncaster Rovers Limited (while the company was still known as Patienceform Limited).
I don't know about that. It could well have been, and more likely, that the foundation came under Doncaster Rovers Ltd (Patienceform) at that time.
But what I do know is I sat through every single council meeting, held at the Mansion House, where the decisions were taken with regard to setting up the lease for the Foundation. It certainly had nothing to do, directly that is, with either TB or DW.
If you remember the stadium at the time was under the control of the SMC.
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I don't know about that. It could well have been, and more likely, that the foundation came under Doncaster Rovers Ltd (Patienceform) at that time.
You are correct. The foundation was known as Doncaster Rovers FC Community Sports & Education Foundation until Jun 2014.
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Is it time to……
Sign a few really good players.
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Is it time to……
Sign a few really good players.
I'm actually really disappointed that GM hasn't started shifting out players in this window, and I don't mean youth team loans.
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Is it time to……
Sign a few really good players.
I'm actually really disappointed that GM hasn't started shifting out players in this window, and I don't mean youth team loans.
Some are most likely out of contract in the summer and would require paying off maybe. Or maybe teams aren't interested in our polayers.
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Is it time to……
Sign a few really good players.
I'm actually really disappointed that GM hasn't started shifting out players in this window, and I don't mean youth team loans.
One of the biggest skills in football management/ running a club is getting unwanted players out. We do it abysmally.
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Out?! We give them long term contracts!
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And when we try it…Omar Bogle and Ed Williams. Didn’t end well.
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And when we try it…Omar Bogle and Ed Williams. Didn’t end well.
Exactly. Such things should remain confidential anyway. Players being ostracised is never a good look and often comes back to bite you.
Whilst we might see little future with a few, McCann may need them at some point.
As pointed out though, some other club has to want them!
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If we sign better players the ones that don’t work out will be easier to get rid of.
We’re so low down the pyramid now that anyone who doesn’t get in our team is barely a professional. Who is going to want them!
The club was criticised rightly under Moore for sacrificing the club’s stability in place of short termism. But yet again we’ve over corrected and offered long contracts to below average players.
There’s a reason 1 year deals are the norm at this level. Anyone getting a 2-3 year deal should either be very safe I.e. lots of games at the level a know quantity (Ironside is a good example) or very cheap (assume McGarth is in this category)
Commercially someone at the club who knows the details should be able to figure out if it’s not better to just pay most players more on shorter term deals compared to the risk of stranded assets.
Must have been cheaper to offer Taylor a 1 year extension at a higher pay than get him on 3 years all be it with a lower weekly wage. Then we could have said bye bye after only 1 season of no output.
We’ve spent an outrageous amount on stranded useless assets over the last 3 seasons. We’ve still got Taylor, Lavery, Long, probably count Anderson and Seaman. probably 4-5k a week not mentioning we paid off Griffiths
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Agard barely touched grass in 18 months. Bogle frozen out for months. So many more. Money just pissed away. Failure is expensive.
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Is it time to……
Sign a few really good players.
I'm actually really disappointed that GM hasn't started shifting out players in this window, and I don't mean youth team loans.
Where they going to go though? You look at where our ex players go after they leave us.
Ro Shaun Williams - Northern Ireland league
Barlow - Conference
Agard - no club
Griffiths - no club
Even those who got a club took a long time finding them. Idea we can just "move players on" isn't going to happen when you buy so poorly like we have been doing for the last 3 years. Zero resale value.