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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Sprotyrover on February 03, 2024, 10:06:18 pm
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Frightened to show her face in public anymore!
She needs to join the ‘John Prescott School of boxing’
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-angela-rayner-no-longer-goes-out-because-of-threats-and-was-scared-by-protest-confrontation-13062124
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You truly are an unpleasant one, aren't you?
Two MPs have been murdered in the last 7.5 years. A Tory MP stood down this week because he is frightened for his safety after the abuse he's been taking.
And all you can do is offer this.
Disgusting.
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Frightened to show her face in public anymore!
She needs to join the ‘John Prescott School of boxing’
https://news.sky.com/story/labours-angela-rayner-no-longer-goes-out-because-of-threats-and-was-scared-by-protest-confrontation-13062124
That is a truly inappropriate post.
I suggest you think hard before starting any such thread again.
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I think it's fair she's faced up to her own part in politics aswell and been pretty honest that her words did not help. She also removes party politics from it, quite a fair article.
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You truly are an unpleasant one, aren't you?
Two MPs have been murdered in the last 7.5 years. A Tory MP stood down this week because he is frightened for his safety after the abuse he's been taking.
And all you can do is offer this.
Disgusting.
Oh I am sorry to have upset such a gentle soul such as yourself, I was merely trying to point out that if you put yourself in the firing line(and that goes for any Politician) you will need to be prepared to deal with some very unpleasant people coming into your fighting Arc!
Oh and I noted a lack of outrage from when those 2 twits tried to humiliate the ex Home Secretary!
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You truly are an unpleasant one, aren't you?
Two MPs have been murdered in the last 7.5 years. A Tory MP stood down this week because he is frightened for his safety after the abuse he's been taking.
And all you can do is offer this.
Disgusting.
Oh I am sorry to have upset such a gentle soul such as yourself, I was merely trying to point out that if you put yourself in the firing line(and that goes for any Politician) you will need to be prepared to deal with some very unpleasant people coming into your fighting Arc!
Oh and I noted a lack of outrage from when those 2 twits tried to humiliate the ex Home Secretary!
Like I say. You are disgusting.
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You truly are an unpleasant one, aren't you?
Two MPs have been murdered in the last 7.5 years. A Tory MP stood down this week because he is frightened for his safety after the abuse he's been taking.
And all you can do is offer this.
Disgusting.
Oh I am sorry to have upset such a gentle soul such as yourself, I was merely trying to point out that if you put yourself in the firing line(and that goes for any Politician) you will need to be prepared to deal with some very unpleasant people coming into your fighting Arc!
Oh and I noted a lack of outrage from when those 2 twits tried to humiliate the ex Home Secretary!
Like I say. You are disgusting.
Sticks and stones Billy,Sticks and Stones!
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No it's Stubbs and Tears, get it right!
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Actually it is Swords and Bullets.
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Actually Rayner refers to the protester in the fundraising event as being threatening. Three points there
If you saw the vid of the event, it was very securely managed from her point of view. The man, who has had family murdered in Gaza, was very roughly treated by the thug of a cop.
Further Rayner already knew him. Had been in discussions with him.
That was when she was being supportive of Gaza. Now she's turned, eye on the leadership, and being pro Israel, not supporting Gaza. She's more suffering from guilt that fear.
The whole thing is a bit stinky.
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However, no politicians should be abused in that manner.
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She needs to have a chat with our current defence, they could tell her a thing or two about personal abuse.
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It's not just a case of arguing over different views nowadays, it's about ridiculing and even hating people with different views.
It's not about being convinced that your side is good, it's all about finding the opposition to be bad, hence the constant searching for poison and scandal involving the opposition on social media, and then spreading it more.
Bring back the days when discussing politics was good in its place, but people's views were personal in public generally.
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It's not just a case of arguing over different views nowadays, it's about ridiculing and even hating people with different views.
It's not about being convinced that your side is good, it's all about finding the opposition to be bad, hence the constant searching for poison and scandal involving the opposition on social media, and then spreading it more.
Bring back the days when discussing politics was good in its place, but people's views were personal in public generally.
Like the thread about funding for the supertram bb, things like that?
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It's not just a case of arguing over different views nowadays, it's about ridiculing and even hating people with different views.
It's not about being convinced that your side is good, it's all about finding the opposition to be bad, hence the constant searching for poison and scandal involving the opposition on social media, and then spreading it more.
Bring back the days when discussing politics was good in its place, but people's views were personal in public generally.
Do you mean those that want to discuss where people live rather than what they said, that sort of thing bb?
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It's not just a case of arguing over different views nowadays, it's about ridiculing and even hating people with different views.
It's not about being convinced that your side is good, it's all about finding the opposition to be bad, hence the constant searching for poison and scandal involving the opposition on social media, and then spreading it more.
Bring back the days when discussing politics was good in its place, but people's views were personal in public generally.
This, from someone who steadfastly insists that Starmer lied in Parliament over the COVID vaccines.
This from someone who himself says the reason he joins in political discussions is to throw brickbats at Labour "for balance".
The irony.
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Can't think what the self righteous would have said if I'd put this up about almost anyone else on the forum, bb, pearl clutching personified
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?action=search2
You can't delete a screen shot hound ............
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Here he is:
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It looks like Dick and Liddy are on form and enjoying a double bubble today. I bet they are really pleased with themselves again.
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It's not just a case of arguing over different views nowadays, it's about ridiculing and even hating people with different views.
It's not about being convinced that your side is good, it's all about finding the opposition to be bad, hence the constant searching for poison and scandal involving the opposition on social media, and then spreading it more.
Bring back the days when discussing politics was good in its place, but people's views were personal in public generally.
This, from someone who steadfastly insists that Starmer lied in Parliament over the COVID vaccines.
This from someone who himself says the reason he joins in political discussions is to throw brickbats at Labour "for balance".
The irony.
My aim is, and always has been to try and level up the loony left one-sided hypocrisy that is rife on this forum, and undoubtedly caused by you. I didn't search Twitter or Facebook or the Guardian to find Starmer's lie over the COVID vaccines, it was live on TV for all to see.
You must be the oldest "angry young man" on the forum, and your attempts at stirring up hatred in the minds of others are exactly what is going on in the media in general.
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Here he is:
I think you mean there you are, all you need on this forum is to stick to ones principles so you don't need to remember what you've said and patience
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My brother lives near the ground hound, do call in when you are passing pm me if you'd like the address.
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You really are Gareth Keenan and I claim my £5.
Send my regards to your brother and tell him I would love to meet him if ever he is in the South Stand.
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Can't think what the self righteous would have said if I'd put this up about almost anyone else on the forum, bb, pearl clutching personified
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?action=search2
You can't delete a screen shot hound ............
Haha.
Why would I want to.
Only someone who had not got a sense of humour would see anything wrong with that.
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Anyway, back on the topic of the thread.
Raynor is seemingly doing what politicians appear to be doing these days, that is rowing back on things that they had said they were unequivocally going to do.
To be fair, it isn’t just her is it?
#Allthesame.
Undeniable.
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It's not just a case of arguing over different views nowadays, it's about ridiculing and even hating people with different views.
It's not about being convinced that your side is good, it's all about finding the opposition to be bad, hence the constant searching for poison and scandal involving the opposition on social media, and then spreading it more.
Bring back the days when discussing politics was good in its place, but people's views were personal in public generally.
This, from someone who steadfastly insists that Starmer lied in Parliament over the COVID vaccines.
This from someone who himself says the reason he joins in political discussions is to throw brickbats at Labour "for balance".
The irony.
My aim is, and always has been to try and level up the loony left one-sided hypocrisy that is rife on this forum, and undoubtedly caused by you. I didn't search Twitter or Facebook or the Guardian to find Starmer's lie over the COVID vaccines, it was live on TV for all to see.
You must be the oldest "angry young man" on the forum, and your attempts at stirring up hatred in the minds of others are exactly what is going on in the media in general.
Some reading for you.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/
The current angry politics started a generation ago on the American right. It now infects the right of British politics.
That was and is a deliberate policy to make people angry. All I've ever done is call it out, with evidence every time.
You think that must mean that the other side is equally bad. That says more about you than anything else.
Your fixation with never once criticising a pathological liar of a PM, or the current mob that offer nothing but hate and Culture War says it all.
Instead, you obsessively say Starmer lied in Parliament, when the fact is he made a mistake when responding to concerted and prolonged baiting by Johnson's team who WERE lying. And he corrected the record immediately.
People like you who steadfastly refuse to criticise liars and frauds and hate mongers are the reason why our politics is in such a hole, whatever sanctimonious stuff you might write about it.
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Anyway, back on the topic of the thread.
Raynor is seemingly doing what politicians appear to be doing these days, that is rowing back on things that they had said they were unequivocally going to do.
To be fair, it isn’t just her is it?
#Allthesame.
Undeniable.
I'll bet Glyn is reading all this with interest.
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It looks like Dick and Liddy are on form and enjoying a double bubble today. I bet they are really pleased with themselves again.
On the non-alcoholic brandy again selby?
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Can't think what the self righteous would have said if I'd put this up about almost anyone else on the forum, bb, pearl clutching personified
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?action=search2
You can't delete a screen shot hound ............
You see hound I've read you pleas and protest before claiming you didn't delete one of your own comments, I doubted you then and just waited.
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Hey Syd last year when you were on your Sabbatical did they let you out early on licence ? Just asking for a friend!
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It's not just a case of arguing over different views nowadays, it's about ridiculing and even hating people with different views.
It's not about being convinced that your side is good, it's all about finding the opposition to be bad, hence the constant searching for poison and scandal involving the opposition on social media, and then spreading it more.
Bring back the days when discussing politics was good in its place, but people's views were personal in public generally.
This, from someone who steadfastly insists that Starmer lied in Parliament over the COVID vaccines.
This from someone who himself says the reason he joins in political discussions is to throw brickbats at Labour "for balance".
The irony.
My aim is, and always has been to try and level up the loony left one-sided hypocrisy that is rife on this forum, and undoubtedly caused by you. I didn't search Twitter or Facebook or the Guardian to find Starmer's lie over the COVID vaccines, it was live on TV for all to see.
You must be the oldest "angry young man" on the forum, and your attempts at stirring up hatred in the minds of others are exactly what is going on in the media in general.
Some reading for you.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/
The current angry politics started a generation ago on the American right. It now infects the right of British politics.
That was and is a deliberate policy to make people angry. All I've ever done is call it out, with evidence every time.
You think that must mean that the other side is equally bad. That says more about you than anything else.
Your fixation with never once criticising a pathological liar of a PM, or the current mob that offer nothing but hate and Culture War says it all.
Instead, you obsessively say Starmer lied in Parliament, when the fact is he made a mistake when responding to concerted and prolonged baiting by Johnson's team who WERE lying. And he corrected the record immediately.
People like you who steadfastly refuse to criticise liars and frauds and hate mongers are the reason why our politics is in such a hole, whatever sanctimonious stuff you might write about it.
Regarding Johnson, I've said on this forum that he has a career-long record of lying, and people who voted for him as leader knew that, but probably trusted him because they believed he was at least honest with his political intentions. Perhaps people preferred a liar to a terrorist sympathiser?
Your talk of the current mob that offer nothing but hate, but ignore a member of the opposition showing hate by calling them scum says more about you than anything else.
Oh, and by the way, Starmer DID NOT correct his lie immediately. It was several hours later, and only then declaring it a mistake, and not a lie (after all, only Tories lie!)
Regarding criticising liars, people like you who criticise Tory lies but steadfastly refuse to accept/mention Labour lies are the real hate mongers and the reason why our politicians find themselves in danger these days.
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I remember the honesty of johnson coming through in the video of him having a bit of a chat about the border issue and NI
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Other times were when he was asked about parties and drinking during covid.
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Hey Syd last year when you were on your Sabbatical did they let you out early on licence ? Just asking for a friend!
Mind how you go now sprot, there's a good lad.
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Good reminder kato, the honesty writ large on the side of the but ₤350m for the NHS, can't remember whether that was per second or not though.
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If one thing that people always remember about johnson, is how honest he was, aye?
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Good reminder kato, the honesty writ large on the side of the but ₤350m for the NHS, can't remember whether that was per second or not though.
It wasn't only on the side of a bus Syd, it was also on a banner at a rally he gave in support of leave - loud and clear. Wonder why it never happened?
(https://i.imgur.com/bo95g6P.jpg)
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Run that by me again.
How exactly do you trust a pathological liar?
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Good reminder kato, the honesty writ large on the side of the but ₤350m for the NHS, can't remember whether that was per second or not though.
It wasn't only on the side of a bus Syd, it was also on a banner at a rally he gave in support of leave - loud and clear. Wonder why it never happened?
(https://i.imgur.com/bo95g6P.jpg)
Another example of zero-sum closed-system economy thinking from the Brexit campaign.
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Good reminder kato, the honesty writ large on the side of the but ₤350m for the NHS, can't remember whether that was per second or not though.
It wasn't only on the side of a bus Syd, it was also on a banner at a rally he gave in support of leave - loud and clear. Wonder why it never happened?
(https://i.imgur.com/bo95g6P.jpg)
Another example of zero-sum closed-system economy thinking from the Brexit campaign.
NC.
They never actually believed that.
Oh the Leave voters fell for it of course, but the politicians who ran the campaign never believed it. They knew it was a lie. Cummings is on record as saying why they did it. They did it because they knew the Remain side had to argue that it was a lie, but in doing so, it only attracted more attention to it. And Cummings and the rest were banking in enough people being too thick to know it was a lie.
See, BB talks his high minded talk about standards in political discussion. But there was a plain and simple lie, right there, which quite likely tipped the balance in the most important vote in a century. A lie that was consciously peddled to knock the other side off their axis. And he's frequently defended it.
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And meanwhile, the swivel eyed loons on the far right of the Tory party are guarding their loins for the fight after they get battered this Autumn.
https://www.itv.com/news/2024-02-06/popcon-what-is-popular-conservatism-as-liz-truss-launches-new-tory-movement
Apparently Britain's problems are that we're not right wing enough. The OBR, the Treasury and Corporate Boardrooms are all Woke Lefties.
Liz Truss and the man she put in the House of Lords actually said that today. Mad as a box of f**king frogs.
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Hey Syd last year when you were on your Sabbatical did they let you out early on licence ? Just asking for a friend!
Mind how you go now sprot, there's a good lad.
Just wondered as you can’t help yourself when it comes to trolling on the Net, you just can’t leave it alone can you?obsessive compulsive aye? You must have been somewhere very remote, or in some institution where the internet is verboten…ja?
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Good reminder kato, the honesty writ large on the side of the but ₤350m for the NHS, can't remember whether that was per second or not though.
It wasn't only on the side of a bus Syd, it was also on a banner at a rally he gave in support of leave - loud and clear. Wonder why it never happened?
(https://i.imgur.com/bo95g6P.jpg)
Another example of zero-sum closed-system economy thinking from the Brexit campaign.
NC.
They never actually believed that.
Oh the Leave voters fell for it of course, but the politicians who ran the campaign never believed it. They knew it was a lie. Cummings is on record as saying why they did it. They did it because they knew the Remain side had to argue that it was a lie, but in doing so, it only attracted more attention to it. And Cummings and the rest were banking in enough people being too thick to know it was a lie.
See, BB talks his high minded talk about standards in political discussion. But there was a plain and simple lie, right there, which quite likely tipped the balance in the most important vote in a century. A lie that was consciously peddled to knock the other side off their axis. And he's frequently defended it.
Yet more b*llocks!
I thought the general consensus of Remoaners like you was that those "thick Brexit voters" were too much of a bunch of selfish bas**rds to give a f**k about the NHS anyway, so why would a suggestion of £350m a week to the NHS sway them to change allegiance from being wonderful, selfless, compassionate, salt of the earth Remainers like you, to selfish, self-centred, uncaring, racist Brexiters?
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That bloke who was in here last night complaining about the lack of sensible, intelligent political debate will be livid when he sees what BB has just posted.
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Is it ok to ask now about the 40 new hospitals?
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Is it ok to ask now about the 40 new hospitals?
I dare say the brain dead of Doncaster have already forgotten about that!
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Is it ok to ask now about the 40 new hospitals?
Nice one from a deserter like you Syd! Can’t leave it alone can you?
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Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries
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Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries
And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
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And residency rights?
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I personally think that being able to travel across the EU and work where you could get a job is one of the great losses for people that had that right, previously.
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
As I’ve said many times over I voted to avoid being part of the coming European superstate, so yes I’m happy with it, and no, I don’t care whether you see that as a benefit or not.
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
As I’ve said many times over I voted to avoid being part of the coming European superstate, so yes I’m happy with it, and no, I don’t care whether you see that as a benefit or not.
It will never be a super state as none of the countries in it want that - and it only takes a single veto to prevent it should any country want it.
It is a bloc, one of 3 major blocs in the world. Being part of it brings many advantages, being outside of it brings none at all
https://www.facebook.com/JonDanzigWrites/posts/945776017118445
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?
If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.
Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?
If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.
Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?
Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'?
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?
If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.
Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?
Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'?
Did you actually read my reply?
Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?
Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.
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So it's not the same then DD?
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?
If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.
Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?
Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'?
Did you actually read my reply?
Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?
Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.
The whole issue is about 'rights' - the rights we had before Brexit that we've now lost. 2nd post in this chain.
By the way, any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?
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How does Rayner get away with bleatng on about danger when there was none? When she watched someone shje knew get rough dragged out after pointing out to her that members of hos family had been killed in Gaza. And that Rayner who had previously supported Palestine is now supporting Israel. The Labour machine deflected the flak she was getting by bringing up the danger issue, relating it to past murders of MPs. Cynical and disgusting.
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?
If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.
Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?
Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'?
Did you actually read my reply?
Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?
Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.
The whole issue is about 'rights' - the rights we had before Brexit that we've now lost. 2nd post in this chain.
By the way, any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?
All those useless no hopers that Merkel let in and the useless anti social very dangerous no hopers the Stupid Swedes let in , have ‘ to come over here and have no EU Given right to screw our country.’
If you want to see the wonderful benefits to our society that the drop outs from Eastern Europe have contributed, go and have a walk around Hexthorpe, East Dene and Paige Hall!
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?
If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.
Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?
Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'?
Did you actually read my reply?
Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?
Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.
The whole issue is about 'rights' - the rights we had before Brexit that we've now lost. 2nd post in this chain.
By the way, any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?
So basically you can't answer my question.
The reason being is because there is nothing to stop you working in the EU or anywhere in the world if you have the required skillset.
I can understand why you feel you need to keep harping on about the EU and rights that you have lost but my point stands.
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DD
Pipe down and think about it for a moment.
Here's a random example. Companies in the Netherlands who want to hire non-UK staff have to register as a "referent" with the Government. There's a few of €2500-5000 depending on the type of company, plus the admin and of course the agro if something goes awry.
If you run a company in the Netherlands and you have two identically able applicants for a job, 1 from Donny and 1 from Hamburg, which one are you going to pick?
You can argue the scale of the barriers by all means, but don't try to claim Brexit hasn't put barriers up.
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DD
Pipe down and think about it for a moment.
Here's a random example. Companies in the Netherlands who want to hire non-UK staff have to register as a "referent" with the Government. There's a few of €2500-5000 depending on the type of company, plus the admin and of course the agro if something goes awry.
If you run a company in the Netherlands and you have two identically able applicants for a job, 1 from Donny and 1 from Hamburg, which one are you going to pick?
You can argue the scale of the barriers by all means, but don't try to claim Brexit hasn't put barriers up.
BST, You have fallen into the same blinkered trap as the other fella.i didn't try to claim anything about Brexit or any barriers.
So do you want to have a go at answering the question, can you or can you not get a job in the EU or anywhere in the world if you have the required skillset?
Simple question!
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?
If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.
Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?
Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'?
Did you actually read my reply?
Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?
Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.
The whole issue is about 'rights' - the rights we had before Brexit that we've now lost. 2nd post in this chain.
By the way, any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?
So basically you can't answer my question.
The reason being is because there is nothing to stop you working in the EU or anywhere in the world if you have the required skillset.
I can understand why you feel you need to keep harping on about the EU and rights that you have lost but my point stands.
DD,your view is so simplistic.
It wasn't just barriers that changed,it was mentalities that changed.
For a good few years I was involved in a program sending EU nationals to work for the NHS,from nurses(who are more qualified in the EU than Britain),thro to surgeons,oncologists,you name it.
When Brexit happened,they just thought'fuct it'.,why would we want to work in a country where we aren't wanted.
Those workers could adapt far more easily culturally than say somebody from Asia. We had a work force on our doorstep and turned our back on it.
We all know someone personally that has needed oncologists or heart/brain surgeons .I know many specialists that left Britain for that reason.
We shot ourselves in the balloxs.
For somebody that has said they are from an Italian background,you should understand that better than anyone,unless maybe you were from Duce background.
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We can still visit the 27 countries with one passport.
As far as I am aware you only show your passport at the 1st country you visit, but even if you had to show it at all 27 it's still just one passport
Did you miss the bit about residency rights?
Had that right, don’t miss it, never would have used it, quite happy, other people, well that’s their issue
But many people would have liked to and now can't. If you, as you say, wouldn't have ever used it then why would you decry that opportunity to others, such as my Grandchildren. And for what? Got any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
So, if you have the required education and qualifications for a job in the EU can you tell me what's changed?
If your children or grandchildren would like the opportunity to work anywhere in the world then the only thing that would stop them is there own ambitions.
Individuals can and still do, what's the issue?
Jesus wept! No, they can't do this by right; which they could in the EU before Brexit.
Have you ever tried working 'anywhere in the world'?
Did you actually read my reply?
Who mentioned anything by right, i said if you have the requisite qualifications and can do what's required then can you tell me what's to stop you getting a job anywhere in the world?
Regardless of what right you had when in the EU.
The whole issue is about 'rights' - the rights we had before Brexit that we've now lost. 2nd post in this chain.
By the way, any tangible benefits of Brexit yet?
So basically you can't answer my question.
The reason being is because there is nothing to stop you working in the EU or anywhere in the world if you have the required skillset.
I can understand why you feel you need to keep harping on about the EU and rights that you have lost but my point stands.
DD,your view is so simplistic.
It wasn't just barriers that changed,it was mentalities that changed.
For a good few years I was involved in a program sending EU nationals to work for the NHS,from nurses(who are more qualified in the EU than Britain),thro to surgeons,oncologists,you name it.
When Brexit happened,they just thought'fuct it'.,why would we want to work in a country where we aren't wanted.
Those workers could adapt far more easily culturally than say somebody from Asia. We had a work force on our doorstep and turned our back on it.
We all know someone personally that has needed oncologists or heart/brain surgeons .I know many specialists that left Britain for that reason.
We shot ourselves in the balloxs.
For somebody that has said they are from an Italian background,you should understand that better than anyone,unless maybe you were from Duce background.
Funny that my view was so simplistic that you neglected to answer the question and proceeded into a diatribe about NHS workers!
As for your last paragraph, classy.
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''As a rule of thumb for Germany: UK citizens need a long stay (D) visa and work permit (e.g. blue card) to work for more than three months. For shorter term employment, you need a work visa (C visa).
The short stay work visa is for ‘economic activities’. Some professional activities such as standard business travel (e.g. business meeting, workshops) and a variety of cultural, academic and sports activities may be carried out without the need for a visa as they are not classed as an economic activity. Find more details on the German consulate website.
We found other EU-countries have similar arrangements, however rarely published online. For detailed advice please contact the specific EU-consulate or an immigration lawyer''
https://www.apply.eu/brexit/#:~:text=The%20entry%2Fexit%20system%20(EES,start%20on%206%20October%202024.&text=As%20a%20rule%20of%20thumb,work%20visa%20(C%20visa).
So you can't just wander over there on the off chance then?
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You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.
Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.
You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.
That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.
That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.
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Is any of this from first hand experience at all DD?
Rights and visas are apparently important. it's what brexiteers wanted to impose on those coming to the uk, no?
Of course the tories always want to stretch the envelope ............
“British homes for British people”
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You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.
Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.
You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.
That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.
That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.
DD. Cut it with the silly insults. Doesn't help anything.
Would you accept that Brexit has made it harder for a SUK national to work in the EU? And that by definition, the "Skillset" that you now need to do so is higher than it was for any specific job?
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You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.
Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.
You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.
That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.
That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.
The original discussion was about Residency Rights....
Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries
And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.
You conveniently ducked that and changed the subject. Why did you do that?
For the record, before Brexit we had the right to live, without let, anywhere within the EU. We no longer have that right.
And you failed to answer my question - any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
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You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.
Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.
You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.
That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.
That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.
The original discussion was about Residency Rights....
Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries
And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.
You conveniently ducked that and changed the subject. Why did you do that?
For the record, before Brexit we had the right to live, without let, anywhere within the EU. We no longer have that right.
And you failed to answer my question - any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
It works both ways and that for us is the best Brexit Benefit!
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Before Brexit, there were almost three times more EU immigrants living in the UK than Brits living elsewhere in the entire EU.
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Got any figures regarding net immigration before and after brexit bb?
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Got any figures regarding net immigration before and after brexit bb?
why would that be of interest to you! Being as you abandoned your country of birth for OZ!
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I just like to ask pertinent questions that improve people's knowledge, is all sprot
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I just like to ask pertinent questions that improve people's knowledge, is all sprot
No you have got that wrong you mean impertinent questions and it’s stuff that doesn’t concern you any more does it?
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I just like to ask pertinent questions that improve people's knowledge, is all sprot
Sydney, what’s a sprot & would it beat a water buffalo in a fight?
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I should think a sprot is def not a rolf, but the tales of what is being observed in the vehicles parked around where sprot is, def have me more than a little concerned
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You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.
Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.
You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.
That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.
That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.
The original discussion was about Residency Rights....
Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries
And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.
You conveniently ducked that and changed the subject. Why did you do that?
For the record, before Brexit we had the right to live, without let, anywhere within the EU. We no longer have that right.
And you failed to answer my question - any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
It works both ways and that for us is the best Brexit Benefit!
Hmmm. Taken to answering questions put to other people now!
Still, here's one for you based on your post above. Do you have any children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren? If so how do you think they might feel if they should, at some time in the future, like to buy a house somewhere in the EU and live there permanently? Of course, if you haven't then the question is mute, though not for others who might wish to do so of course.
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You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.
Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.
You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.
That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.
That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.
The original discussion was about Residency Rights....
Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries
And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.
You conveniently ducked that and changed the subject. Why did you do that?
For the record, before Brexit we had the right to live, without let, anywhere within the EU. We no longer have that right.
And you failed to answer my question - any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
It works both ways and that for us is the best Brexit Benefit!
Hmmm. Taken to answering questions put to other people now!
Still, here's one for you based on your post above. Do you have any children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren? If so how do you think they might feel if they should, at some time in the future, like to buy a house somewhere in the EU and live there permanently? Of course, if you haven't then the question is mute, though not for others who might wish to do so of course.
Your doing it again
Your conflating buying property abroad (and specifically in the EU) as if its something that's been snatched away from you and you will never be able to do anything about it.
Just what is wrong with you people. If you want to buy a property abroad and live their permanently you just have to apply for the relevant visa, complete the required residency requirement and then apply for citizenship if you wish. It's not rocket science and its not something that UK citizens cannot do if they wish.
Granted its not as easy as it was prior to Brexit and as things stand if you have no intention to stay longer you will be restricted to 180 days in any one year but its still something that any prospective buyer can and should be able to do so. It also looks like certain countries are going to buck the trend and allow more lenient stays for UK folk, so not quite "the end of the world as we know it"
You make it sound like we have become an alien race, grow up and act your age your arguments are all doable, your kids, grand kids, ect still have options.
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And if you were a scientist ............ 09/2023
''UK’s years out of EU Horizon programme did ‘untold damage’, say scientists, Relief at rejoining flagship research scheme tempered by anger over loss of top academics since Brexit''
''Britain may have rescued its scientific fortunes with a last-minute decision to rejoin the EU’s Horizon research programme – but the move should not be treated as a cause for jubilation, scientists have warned.
The sluggish pace at which the agreement was reached has had too severe an impact on UK research for widespread elation, say many British researchers, who believe that science in this country suffered a major blow after being locked out of the £82bn programme for almost three years since Brexit. Putting it right has taken far too long, they argue.
Since 2020 the UK government has been negotiating to rejoin Horizon after its membership was blocked because of the protracted dispute over Northern Ireland’s trading rules.
Last week’s final announcement that ministers had decided to go ahead with rejoining Horizon was greeted with joy and relief by many senior scientists.
But some of their colleagues have since warned that being locked out of Horizon for so long has done irreversible damage to UK science. This was a time when Britain could have taken key leading roles in major programmes on climate change, AI and new medicines''
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/sep/09/britain-eu-horizon-programme-scientists-research-scheme-flagship
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And if you were a scientist ............ 09/2023
''UK’s years out of EU Horizon programme did ‘untold damage’, say scientists, Relief at rejoining flagship research scheme tempered by anger over loss of top academics since Brexit''
''Britain may have rescued its scientific fortunes with a last-minute decision to rejoin the EU’s Horizon research programme – but the move should not be treated as a cause for jubilation, scientists have warned.
The sluggish pace at which the agreement was reached has had too severe an impact on UK research for widespread elation, say many British researchers, who believe that science in this country suffered a major blow after being locked out of the £82bn programme for almost three years since Brexit. Putting it right has taken far too long, they argue.
Since 2020 the UK government has been negotiating to rejoin Horizon after its membership was blocked because of the protracted dispute over Northern Ireland’s trading rules.
Last week’s final announcement that ministers had decided to go ahead with rejoining Horizon was greeted with joy and relief by many senior scientists.
But some of their colleagues have since warned that being locked out of Horizon for so long has done irreversible damage to UK science. This was a time when Britain could have taken key leading roles in major programmes on climate change, AI and new medicines''
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/sep/09/britain-eu-horizon-programme-scientists-research-scheme-flagship
Delete that stupid post idiot what has it got to do with the OP!
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Trying to find something to have banter about with his little coterie.
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You bleeding hearts are not listening to the question, IF you have the right skillset you are not wondering anywhere on the off chance of anything.
Talking about rights, visa and work permits are all a ruse to throw the point off the scent.
You can now, as you always could, go anywhere in the world and now just get a job but have your arms snatched off if you are made of the right stuff and have the right skillset.
That's the point, and none of you fawning bleeding hearts can alter that, EU or no EU.
That's it, now i have far more important things to be getting on with.
The original discussion was about Residency Rights....
Oh sproty lad, just think of me as a cousin that has a couple of passports with residency rights to more countries
And to think we could do that in 27 other countries with just one passport before 2016.
You conveniently ducked that and changed the subject. Why did you do that?
For the record, before Brexit we had the right to live, without let, anywhere within the EU. We no longer have that right.
And you failed to answer my question - any tangible Brexit benefits yet?
It works both ways and that for us is the best Brexit Benefit!
Hmmm. Taken to answering questions put to other people now!
Still, here's one for you based on your post above. Do you have any children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren? If so how do you think they might feel if they should, at some time in the future, like to buy a house somewhere in the EU and live there permanently? Of course, if you haven't then the question is mute, though not for others who might wish to do so of course.
Your doing it again
Your conflating buying property abroad (and specifically in the EU) as if its something that's been snatched away from you and you will never be able to do anything about it.
Just what is wrong with you people. If you want to buy a property abroad and live their permanently you just have to apply for the relevant visa, complete the required residency requirement and then apply for citizenship if you wish. It's not rocket science and its not something that UK citizens cannot do if they wish.
Granted its not as easy as it was prior to Brexit and as things stand if you have no intention to stay longer you will be restricted to 180 days in any one year but its still something that any prospective buyer can and should be able to do so. It also looks like certain countries are going to buck the trend and allow more lenient stays for UK folk, so not quite "the end of the world as we know it"
You make it sound like we have become an alien race, grow up and act your age your arguments are all doable, your kids, grand kids, ect still have options.
I'm not conflating anything. It's simply a question of fact that anyone holding only a UK passport cannot buy a property in the EU and go and live there in perpetuity as they could, without let, before Brexit.
We are a 3rd Country so far as the EU are concerned and in the above respect, and in many others, we are treated no differently to someone from, for example, The Gambia. Their rules mean that we can't be treated differently, because if they changed a rule for us then they'd have to change them for all 3rd Countries.
UK ex pats residing in the EU prior to Brexit were permitted to apply for residency and many/most did. I do know of one person who failed to apply by the end date and who is now bound by the 90 day rule, (it's 90 in 180 not 180 in a year). He has subsequently tried to apply for a visa and has been turned down. He even knows the local mayor personally but that hasn't helped either!
I personally also know people who bought properties in Spain with a view to living there when they retire and who are now bound by the 90 day rule. They can, of course, apply for a visa - but there's no guarantee they will be accepted.
You make it sound like it's easy for anybody to simply buy, move and live over there, it isn't - try it yourself and see.