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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DonnyOsmond on February 05, 2024, 02:42:37 pm
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/update-given-on-long-serving-doncaster-rovers-defender-after-extended-absence-4505722
He's fit, just dropped down the pecking order. On his way out in the summer?
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https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/update-given-on-long-serving-doncaster-rovers-defender-after-extended-absence-4505722
He's fit, just dropped down the pecking order. On his way out in the summer?
That's as blunt a "you're not in my plans" as it's possible to give without actually saying those words.
Strange. 7 weeks ago, he was the star man.
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2023/december/mccann-pre-morecambe-int-2/
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The penny has dropped hasn't it? Giving him that contract extension last year has turned out to be a very bad decision.
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At least Grant sees what we do
Thanks Tom but bye. The contract extension was not well thought out at all
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I expected Tom to leave in January, clearly that didn’t happen, but still could, it’s if he’s willing to drop into the conference.
Won’t get a look in here, unless of an injury crisis again, so wouldn’t be terrible for him to put his self in the shop window for a summer move
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While I don't think Tom Anderson should be part of our long term plans, is he really worse than Olowu?
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While I don't think Tom Anderson should be part of our long term plans, is he really worse than Olowu?
Yes, far worse
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Said it a few times but he hasn’t been the same since Balcombe punched his head off. Shame it’s seemingly going to end this way.
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It seems that now we have a good number back from injuries GM will be putting his squad together through his choice rather than all he has available, I don't believe we will see Jones, Anderson or Biggins again this season which shows that they were kept out of necessity rather than choice. GM is not afraid to get rid by mutual consent either now numbers are back on the pitch, still think a massive clear out to come in April - June with an influx of 12 new players in the summer whether that be permanent or loans.
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McCann didn't fancy him first time round so no surprise he doesn't now. He needs to be ruthless on these players to kick on ultimately. There's a few others in the same position soon I expect.
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While I don't think Tom Anderson should be part of our long term plans, is he really worse than Olowu?
Yes, far worse
Far worse than Olowu? That's something that even a Sunday League player couldn't achieve.
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Tom would do well in the conference and there’s a few teams that are more in his neck of the woods. Can he be sold to one outside the transfer window?
Surprising it’s Taylor who looks like he can still offer something.
I’m not saying offer him in the contract in the summer but he still has that pace and intensity about him.
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We need fresh players.
I personally wouldn't offer any new contracts based on performance and injury records. I am afraid that includes Close too even though he did seem to gel with Westbrook earlier this season.
We need to try to move a fair few out as well.
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While I don't think Tom Anderson should be part of our long term plans, is he really worse than Olowu?
Yes, far worse
Far worse than Olowu? That's something that even a Sunday League player couldn't achieve.
Anderson doesn’t have the legs to do simple things like mop up at the back or react quickly enough to win a tackle anymore.
While I don’t rate Olowu and would move him on, he can at least do those things.
Having Anderson on the pitch turns a simple defensive situation in to a very dangerous one.
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Whoever gave him the contract last season wants dropping down the pecking order as well. Criminal decision.
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Anderson was a very good League 1 defender for us a few years ago.
Unfortunately he doesn't seem to have been able to get back performing to those levels since his injuries.
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If Taylor is out of contract in the summer , I wouldn't offer him anything. Let him leave.
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It might be a Mike Brearlyesque master stroke of psychology in the same vein as only bringing on Bob Willis as the 1st change bowler in that great Headingly test match.
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"He's not quite there yet". Perhaps he still has concerns about his back and that's why McCann feels he needs to go with the other centre halves, hence why he's down the pecking order.
Anderson doesn't seem to be as assured as he once was, so he maybe edging towards the end of his time at Rovers but he's been a good servant to the club over the years so he should be treated with respect, as McCann appears to be doing.
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While I don't think Tom Anderson should be part of our long term plans, is he really worse than Olowu?
Yes, far worse
Rubbish, he’s been a good servant to the club admittedly he’s not been at his old self since that head injury but certainly is still better than Olowu.
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While I don't think Tom Anderson should be part of our long term plans, is he really worse than Olowu?
Yes, far worse
Rubbish, he’s been a good servant to the club admittedly he’s not been at his old self since that head injury but certainly is still better than Olowu.
No chance, Olowu is better on the ball and a lot more mobile, I used to like Anderson but now he’s a proper stiff mover!
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Disappointed by the lack of respect for Tom.
He's been a good servant, and at his best is head and shoulders above many of those we've signed over the last couple of years.
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It is a cruel game for lads who get badly injured, and he has more to offer the situation we are in than just writing him off, he deserves better than that, and who is in the wrong, just Boxing Day he was the one we turned to and Wood ignored, and Faulkner when fit the same earlier in the season while the players that did play hardly covered themselves in glory and have landed us in the position we now find ourselves in.
The central defender position and mid field has been a constant mystery to me all season, with mistakes galore in both departments and such as Close, Broadbent, Olowu, and Biggins seeming irreplaceable making the same mistakes while Faulkner was sat on the bench getting splinters while watching them fail to do their job week after week and the club seeing any value he brought to the club while finishing last season well and one of our few successes last season disappear while players obviously not good enough have had game time to prove themselves just that , not good enough.
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Always liked Tom, arrived looking a bit ‘Bambi -esq’ Turned into a super centre back, put a few in the opposition net too…….and then something happened, be it the punch from Balcombe or something else that led him to lose interest or desire.
Worse than Olowu??? ! . I really have heard it all now.
So we move Tom, Tommy, Tayls, Olowu, Biggins and Close out,
On wages alone, surely that is 3 real quality players on a very good wage to replace these, not withstanding the ones who will leave that are on smaller wages, Jones, Wood, etc.
The loans can be swopped.
We keep those with promise from the new recruits, Joe and Bailey obviously, Maxwell, McGrath. Also some may still come good, after a season in the tough end of Div 4…….Broadbent, Senior, Sterry.
Be realistic with the youngsters Faulkner and Flint stand out.
It’s a time for good decisions, just pray we can avoid a disaster of a drop.
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It's a shame as Tom has been a great servant to the club, & probably one of the first names on the teamsheet for quite a few seasons. His injuries & loss of form seem to have caught up with him now & maybe a fresh start is best for all. Think GM is now finding out who out of our squad can cut it in this league, & in his defence how would he not think Tom wasn't one of those when he walked through the door, & you can add Rowe & Taylor to that list.
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He's had a few bad head injuries. The punch from Balcombe appears to have done some serious damage, although whether our coinciding collapse has had an effect as well, and exposed him more, who can say. Probably a mix of both.
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Always liked Tom, arrived looking a bit ‘Bambi -esq’ Turned into a super centre back, put a few in the opposition net too…….and then something happened, be it the punch from Balcombe or something else that led him to lose interest or desire.
Worse than Olowu??? ! . I really have heard it all now.
So we move Tom, Tommy, Tayls, Olowu, Biggins and Close out,
On wages alone, surely that is 3 real quality players on a very good wage to replace these, not withstanding the ones who will leave that are on smaller wages, Jones, Wood, etc.
The loans can be swopped.
We keep those with promise from the new recruits, Joe and Bailey obviously, Maxwell, McGrath. Also some may still come good, after a season in the tough end of Div 4…….Broadbent, Senior, Sterry.
Be realistic with the youngsters Faulkner and Flint stand out.
It’s a time for good decisions, just pray we can avoid a disaster of a drop.
What has Senior done to be below Jay McGrath in your estimations?
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NC, nothing, and in Anderson's case I am hoping we are not heading for a situation like Bogle.
I hope we are better than that now, and have learnt a lesson.
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No disrespect intended but Tom is quite a way behind probably 5th choice CH which is not good for his career at his age.
He was a tower of strength but post Balcombe his performances have petered off with only the odd glimpse of what he was.
Pre Balcombe probably our best CH since Jones
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While I don't think Tom Anderson should be part of our long term plans, is he really worse than Olowu?
Yes, far worse
Rubbish, he’s been a good servant to the club admittedly he’s not been at his old self since that head injury but certainly is still better than Olowu.
I didn’t intend to be disrespectful, but his good servant status doesn’t affect how good he is right now.
Of course he was better than Olowu in his prime. But if Tom was announced in the line up v Tranmere we’d all be sh*tting bricks.
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I thank Tom for his service and wish him well for the future but he shouldn’t have been given a new contract. I’m all for loyalty but not sentimentality
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NcRover, I have done that on numerous occasions this season when I have seen the names of quite a few defenders and midfielders announced before games, and not just Anderson.
I agree about his contract, but that is the fault of the management and he is entitled to see it out if he so wishes, and in the mean time it is the clubs remit to get the best possible results of his time at the club, whether coaching , playing, or other duties.
I think from memory he is still the club captain, and was the PFU representative at the club and could still be in those positions, so could be an important character around the place other than playing.
Surely if he does not move on, and has injuries that effect his game to a point where he cannot play insurance and other duties even scouting coaching etc if he wants to go down that route would be ways of the club getting something back for the expense. and not letting the situation just drift.
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Whoever gave him the contract last season wants dropping down the pecking order as well. Criminal decision.
Nothing to worry about, I'm sure whoever gave him the contract is "no longer at the club". Nothing to see here.
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Whoever gave him the contract last season wants dropping down the pecking order as well. Criminal decision.
Nothing to worry about, I'm sure whoever gave him the contract is "no longer at the club". Nothing to see here.
Like the committee that agree on signing players. They sign the ok ones and the last manager signs the bad ones.
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Humble pie anyone?
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Can’t argue he had a good game against a one dimensional team problem is when it’s not lumped up. Well done though Tom
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Humble pie anyone?
it will be humble pie from me if he continues that form as he was excellent today, but he has been very inconsistent
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If you were a Salford fan you would be asking why they just kept lumping it up to our CBs and didn’t try anything else.
Taking nothing away from Tom though he was unbelievable. But they did play to his strengths.
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I was worried all game that the ref might give a penalty against Tom for holding or a shirt pull. The ref seemed reluctant to give us much for a lot of the game.
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I was worried all game that the ref might give a penalty against Tom for holding or a shirt pull. The ref seemed reluctant to give us much for a lot of the game.
Exactly my train of thought too idler.
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That was only my fourth away game this season and I’ve only seen us lose once. Ironically at Bradford in the Bristol Street Motors cup.
Hopefully I will keep the run going when we play City in March.
It will give me bragging rights in the gym.
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Can you come to Grimsby.
If you can get to my house you can jump in my car and travel the rest of the way with us.
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Can you come to Grimsby.
If you can get to my house you can jump in my car and travel the rest of the way with us.
Thanks for the offer hound. I would really enjoy that but unfortunately my wife has a few health issues so I tend to go to home games when possible and occasional away ones. Adding the hour travel time each way to Donny and back plus the travel to Grimsby and game time makes it a long time to be away. She doesn’t complain but I have done Forest Green, Sutton and Salford this year so don’t like to push it. Happy to meet up for a pre match pint if you come over to Bradford for the City game.
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I was worried all game that the ref might give a penalty against Tom for holding or a shirt pull. The ref seemed reluctant to give us much for a lot of the game.
My brother who was at the game texted me the exact same thought at half time Idler.
I watched on ifollow & to all you hardy souls who went I’m sorry you weren’t rewarded with a win….but we came mighty close!
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I don’t know if it really showed on iFollow but Tom and Smith were at it all the time at set pieces. It was funny but worrying at the same time. An enjoyable evening though despite the weather.
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I saw it all on iFollow idler, it was very clear to see it going on.
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Humble pie anyone?
After one decent game? He's been horrific for most of the season. He's going to have to be a consistent 7 or 8 every match until the end of the season for me.
Sentiment is one of the reasons we are where we are.
I'm hoping GM is going to be super ruthless in the summer.
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Humble pie anyone?
After one decent game? He's been horrific for most of the season. He's going to have to be a consistent 7 or 8 every match until the end of the season for me.
Sentiment is one of the reasons we are where we are.
I'm hoping GM is going to be super ruthless in the summer.
Yep - thanks Tom and well played last night. But not up to the required standard for a while now.
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Time up? Not on last nights showing he out muscled the biggest, meanest striker in the division. Tom was again a colossus, he rolled back the years and put in a vintage display.
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A fit Tom is a decent player at this standard. If he, or Wood, or both had been playing v Stockport then Madden wouldn't have had the freedom of the penalty area.
Plus, any centre half is going to feel more confident with a good keeper behind them.
As with a few, Tom will need to perform well for the remainder of the season to retain his place. That said, it may be necessary for McCann to jiggle his selections at CB, depending on how the opposition sets up.
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Time up? Not on last nights showing he out muscled the biggest, meanest striker in the division. Tom was again a colossus, he rolled back the years and put in a vintage display.
Great words BR.Tom has been great in his last two games. A lot of humble pie being swallowed at the moment.
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Time up? Not on last nights showing he out muscled the biggest, meanest striker in the division. Tom was again a colossus, he rolled back the years and put in a vintage display.
Great words BR.Tom has been great in his last two games. A lot of humble pie being swallowed at the moment.
Don’t hold your breath.
Plenty of protagonists on here.
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Last night was one of the very few times we’d get away with playing both Wood and Anderson.
If that Tranmere striker who easily outpaced Wood and hit the post had scored we’d be having a different discussion.
They were brilliant last night but I’d put Olowu back in for the weekend.
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What's happened to McGrath?
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Last night was one of the very few times we’d get away with playing both Wood and Anderson.
If that Tranmere striker who easily outpaced Wood and hit the post had scored we’d be having a different discussion.
They were brilliant last night but I’d put Olowu back in for the weekend.
Lack of pace have you forgotten 1966, if you’re too young ask the older guys. Wood is a good leader and knows the game as does Anderson. Tony Adams strolled around the park never broke into a sweat.
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I feel disconnected with Anderson after the whole Tranmere thing after the game.
Even after the Notts County game on Boxing Day where he was subbed at HT with Olowu - Olowu came out at FT to clap the fans with no site of Anderson.
He can go for me.
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I feel disconnected with Anderson after the whole Tranmere thing after the game.
Even after the Notts County game on Boxing Day where he was subbed at HT with Olowu - Olowu came out at FT to clap the fans with no site of Anderson.
He can go for me.
The Tranmere game, don’t be silly
If people are going to shout abuse at someone then they can’t cry about it if they get some back
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I feel disconnected with Anderson after the whole Tranmere thing after the game.
Even after the Notts County game on Boxing Day where he was subbed at HT with Olowu - Olowu came out at FT to clap the fans with no site of Anderson.
He can go for me.
The Tranmere game, don’t be silly
If people are going to shout abuse at someone then they can’t cry about it if they get some back
Missed this, tranmere home or away? What happened?
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I read that Grant explained to Tom that he had dropped down the pecking order BUT : if we renew neither Tom nor Woody in the summer then it is asking a lot of our Centre backs who are all youngsters .
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I read that Grant explained to Tom that he had dropped down the pecking order BUT : if we renew neither Tom nor Woody in the summer then it is asking a lot of our Centre backs who are all youngsters .
That’s where another more experienced centre half would be brought in.
Toms contract runs for another year but even if he stays he is very injury prone
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What's happened to McGrath?
Sure I read he took a knock recently, don't think anything too serious
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Whilst the club may reasonably be accused of making decisions on sentiment (longer contract extension than necessary) many fans are also guilty of extreme reactions (cancel his contract after a bad game). The truth his he’s not finished, he can still do a job as he proved, but that doesn’t mean we have to be suggesting he’s a guaranteed starter any more (clearly he is not). The issue then comes down to whether we get good value for money. But that’s much more boring than saying he’s a God one week and we should pay up his contract the next.
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Last night was one of the very few times we’d get away with playing both Wood and Anderson.
If that Tranmere striker who easily outpaced Wood and hit the post had scored we’d be having a different discussion.
They were brilliant last night but I’d put Olowu back in for the weekend.
Oh dear ncRover another slip of the tongue ? They were great today.
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humble pie for my tea tonight :lol:
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He's been much improved last two games but we need to see consistency from him and other senior players for 5-10-15 games. Younger lads are always going to be up and down but for experienced lads like Anderson it can't just be a few good performances. It needs to be consistently solid. We've all been fobbed off last few seasons with the odd decent game.
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Another really good performance by Anderson, I’ve still got concerns if we come across a pacy striker but happily munching on humble pie
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I admit I feared the worst combining Tom and Wood but so far it's been proved a correct decision. 2 big lads at the back doing the basics, so far so good. My remaining fear is when we play a team who don't have a big lump up front but smaller faster more mobile strikers looking to get in behind.
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Keeping fit is his big problem not ability, we have seen him play well before.
I get the feeling he is playing for a few more years having a career as a player not just to play matches now, and I hope he can keep match fit which only time will tell.
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I admit I feared the worst combining Tom and Wood but so far it's been proved a correct decision. 2 big lads at the back doing the basics, so far so good. My remaining fear is when we play a team who don't have a big lump up front but smaller faster more mobile strikers looking to get in behind.
In these cases Raven you make adjustments, lower line, change the midfield to suit the opposition. As I’ve said before Tony Adams never broke into a sweat and I don’t recall Moore and Charlton being that fast. McCann will have it all worked out.
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They didn't have too bad a midfield and full backs did they?
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They didn't have too bad a midfield and full backs did they?
Precisely I totally agree, you tailor your team to fit the occasion.
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Do you think we could tailor our team as England and Arsenal did? With the players we have? Personally I doubt it, our full backs are who they are the alternative at the back is Olowu assuming you don't weaken the midfield by pushing Bailey back not a lot of opptions really.
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Do you think we could tailor our team as England and Arsenal did? With the players we have? Personally I doubt it, our full backs are who they are the alternative at the back is Olowu assuming you don't weaken the midfield by pushing Bailey back not a lot of opptions really.
Yes.