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Title: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: ncRover on February 22, 2024, 07:02:14 pm
Jordy Hiwula has signed a professional contract for Morecambe until the end of the season.

We play them April 6th.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: drfchound on February 22, 2024, 07:05:47 pm
He always seemed to play well against us.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: NickDRFC on February 22, 2024, 09:04:40 pm
He always seemed to play well against us.

2 goals in 7 appearances against us and only beaten us twice. One of those was for Walsall, though, in a 2-0 win against us just over 10 years ago in February 2014. Uche Ikpeazu, now unable to get in Darren Moore’s Port Vale squad, played up front for us that day.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 22, 2024, 09:44:35 pm
Jordy Hiwula has signed a professional contract for Morecambe until the end of the season.

We play them April 6th.


That's blown the story's end.

I thought the lad's final touch in English professional football was going to be the worst pass in the history of the game.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Cramby10 on February 23, 2024, 08:01:52 am
Jordy Hiwula has signed a professional contract for Morecambe until the end of the season.

We play them April 6th.

remarkable
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Filo on February 23, 2024, 08:08:58 am
This total inability to control a simple pass is etched into my mind

https://x.com/nocontextrovers/status/1760740829369651627?s=61&t=DCRm1C_BBr5pt7J45jXUsA
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: drfchound on February 23, 2024, 08:10:30 am
It was really poor wasn’t it, his reaction to it was incredible too.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Metalmicky on February 23, 2024, 08:20:46 am
In his presser he says...

"I feel this is a perfect opportunity for me to come and play the remaining games of the season, hopefully we can do something special," he said.

"There's a really good bunch of lads here, everyone has been welcoming as well so I've enjoyed it so far.

"[The fans can] expect hard work, determination and an eye for goal as well, I'll always give 100% for the team."


I think they must have mixed up interviews....... although the bit about there being a 'perfect opportunity' and there being a 'really good bunch of lads'..... etc etc is just the regular bollox they put on every interview with a new player....

However, he will obviously score a brace against us and be a world beater on the day....
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: roversdude on February 23, 2024, 11:22:15 am
The lad was a decent player…..then he came to us
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: drfchound on February 23, 2024, 11:27:05 am
The lad was a decent player…..then he came to us

Yep, I remember him playing against us a few times and I seem to think he usually played well.
In one game, might have been for Coventry, he ran us ragged and was virtually unplayable.
I wonder what happened to him to make him become so poor for us.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Filo on February 23, 2024, 12:21:15 pm
In his presser he says...

"I feel this is a perfect opportunity for me to come and play the remaining games of the season, hopefully we can do something special," he said.

"There's a really good bunch of lads here, everyone has been welcoming as well so I've enjoyed it so far.

"[The fans can] expect hard work, determination and an eye for goal as well, I'll always give 100% for the team."


I think they must have mixed up interviews....... although the bit about there being a 'perfect opportunity' and there being a 'really good bunch of lads'..... etc etc is just the regular bollox they put on every interview with a new player....

However, he will obviously score a brace against us and be a world beater on the day....

100% for the team?

The reaction to that clip shows he gives up, it still gives me nightmares that a professional football gave up just like that
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Prez on February 23, 2024, 01:31:46 pm
The lad seemed shot to pieces whilst he was with us. Wouldn’t surprise me if he had some sort of mental breakdown.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: MachoMadness on February 23, 2024, 01:37:56 pm
Was an interesting time on here when he was so bad we had people genuinely worried he was having some sort of mental breakdown.

Edit: Prez beat me to it and proved my point! I've seen plenty of crap players but never any that were so crap they sparked that kind of discussion.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Draytonian III on February 23, 2024, 02:15:28 pm
He’s 30 in September and has been a professional footballer all his adult life, making close on 300 first team appearances.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Prez on February 25, 2024, 12:51:17 pm
Anyone else see his miss for Morecambe yesterday?

Really really bad.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Filo on February 25, 2024, 12:56:24 pm
Anyone else see his miss for Morecambe yesterday?

Really really bad.

That’ll be this one?

https://x.com/morecambefcfeed/status/1761688840530518135?s=61&t=DCRm1C_BBr5pt7J45jXUsA
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Spilsby Red on February 25, 2024, 01:07:57 pm
Nice to see he hasn’t lost his class
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: turnbull for england on February 25, 2024, 01:23:50 pm
Any one seen Port Vales skippers pass for them to go one 1-0 down ? Squared a quick free kick straight to their player who promptly slotted home
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: drfchound on February 25, 2024, 01:30:05 pm
Any one seems Port Vales skippers pass for them to go one 1-0 down ? Squared a quick free kick straight to their player who promptly slotted home

TBF that should have been retaken as the Lincoln player was only five yards away when the free kick was taken.
Bad error though as you suggested.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: rover-n-out on February 25, 2024, 03:35:08 pm
God that is really bad by Hiwula, zero thought and technique into how he was gonna slot that ball home.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: GazLaz on February 25, 2024, 07:41:21 pm
Absolutely gone ant the game and still gets a club. Managers sign players on memory a lot of the time.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: drfchound on February 25, 2024, 08:02:45 pm
The strange thing is though that he must show something in training that gets him a place in the team.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: donnievic on February 25, 2024, 10:52:16 pm
Any one seems Port Vales skippers pass for them to go one 1-0 down ? Squared a quick free kick straight to their player who promptly slotted home

TBF that should have been retaken as the Lincoln player was only five yards away when the free kick was taken.
Bad error though as you suggested.
not really if it was a quick free kick and the opposition wasn’t trying to stop him taking or wasn’t looking to gain an advantage,it’s the same as a goal kick if an attacker is still making his way out of the area and it’s played he can then go for the ball
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: drfchound on February 25, 2024, 11:49:38 pm
Any one seems Port Vales skippers pass for them to go one 1-0 down ? Squared a quick free kick straight to their player who promptly slotted home

TBF that should have been retaken as the Lincoln player was only five yards away when the free kick was taken.
Bad error though as you suggested.
not really if it was a quick free kick and the opposition wasn’t trying to stop him taking or wasn’t looking to gain an advantage,it’s the same as a goal kick if an attacker is still making his way out of the area and it’s played he can then go for the ball

Interesting point there donievic.
It could be argued that the attacker did gain an advantage by intercepting the pass.
Is it down to the refs interpretation or what you say. in your post?
The laws of the game can be so complicated now.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: IDM on February 26, 2024, 09:52:33 am
I remember a game at Belle vue when our own 50p head was walking away from an opposition free kick.  Their player kicked the ball at him deliberately, resulting in a yellow card for LFW.!
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Mike_F on February 26, 2024, 11:50:31 am
not really if it was a quick free kick and the opposition wasn’t trying to stop him taking or wasn’t looking to gain an advantage,it’s the same as a goal kick if an attacker is still making his way out of the area and it’s played he can then go for the ball
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Not so. This is covered in the FA refs course. If an attacking player is in the box when to goal kick is taken, it's a re-take.

The law does however state that attackers can enter the box as soon as the ball has been struck and can "clearly be seen to have moved." The instructor on my course said about half a rotation is ebnough for it to be "clear."
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: idler on February 26, 2024, 11:58:29 am
I remember a game at Belle vue when our own 50p head was walking away from an opposition free kick.  Their player kicked the ball at him deliberately, resulting in a yellow card for LFW.!
I will always remember that decision. It still bemuses me after all of these years. If anybody wanted booking it was the player deliberately kicking the ball at an opponent.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: turnbull for england on February 26, 2024, 12:51:32 pm
Up there with Rufus brevett getting yellow for deliberate hand ball, when he caught it over his head on touchline for what would have been our throw in
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: turnbull for england on February 26, 2024, 12:58:43 pm
not really if it was a quick free kick and the opposition wasn’t trying to stop him taking or wasn’t looking to gain an advantage,it’s the same as a goal kick if an attacker is still making his way out of the area and it’s played he can then go for the ball

Not so. This is covered in the FA refs course. If an attacking player is in the box when to goal kick is taken, it's a re-take.

The law does however state that attackers can enter the box as soon as the ball has been struck and can "clearly be seen to have moved." The instructor on my course said about half a rotation is ebnough for it to be "clear."
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https://youtu.be/lV5TKATd77s?si=b63xvSEieQjKxBQ2
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Chris Black come back on February 26, 2024, 06:39:29 pm
Morecambe had a total wage bill in League One last season of £4m. I’d guess that was materially more than us, although in the higher league.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: EasyforDennis on February 26, 2024, 06:59:32 pm
Up there with Rufus brevett getting yellow for deliberate hand ball, when he caught it over his head on touchline for what would have been our throw in

Ahhh the dreaded Jim Parker. Possibly the worst referee ever.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on February 26, 2024, 07:48:48 pm
Up there with Rufus brevett getting yellow for deliberate hand ball, when he caught it over his head on touchline for what would have been our throw in

Second yellow card. He actually got sent off for that by the infamous Jim Parker.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Jonathan on February 26, 2024, 07:51:38 pm
The notorious Jim Parker. I remember the tone of my dad’s voice every time we got him as our ref.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: turnbull for england on February 26, 2024, 08:45:04 pm
Up there with Rufus brevett getting yellow for deliberate hand ball, when he caught it over his head on touchline for what would have been our throw in

Second yellow card. He actually got sent off for that by the infamous Jim Parker.


My lack of attention to detail strikes again
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: donnievic on February 26, 2024, 09:24:35 pm
not really if it was a quick free kick and the opposition wasn’t trying to stop him taking or wasn’t looking to gain an advantage,it’s the same as a goal kick if an attacker is still making his way out of the area and it’s played he can then go for the ball

Not so. This is covered in the FA refs course. If an attacking player is in the box when to goal kick is taken, it's a re-take.

The law does however state that attackers can enter the box as soon as the ball has been struck and can "clearly be seen to have moved." The instructor on my course said about half a rotation is ebnough for it to be "clear."
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But also this applys in the same course


https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-16---the-goal-kick#:~:text=If%2C%20when%20a%20goal%20kick,referee%20allows%20play%20to%20continue.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: idler on February 27, 2024, 09:38:31 am
Morecambe had a total wage bill in League One last season of £4m. I’d guess that was materially more than us, although in the higher league.
I wonder how they manage that on their gates? I would imagine that it surely breaches FFP on their turnover?
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Chris Black come back on February 27, 2024, 10:43:35 am
Their revenue was way in excess of wages, at £5.3m. Their owner also chucked in about £1.5m to balance everything up.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Mike_F on February 27, 2024, 10:55:16 am
not really if it was a quick free kick and the opposition wasn’t trying to stop him taking or wasn’t looking to gain an advantage,it’s the same as a goal kick if an attacker is still making his way out of the area and it’s played he can then go for the ball

Not so. This is covered in the FA refs course. If an attacking player is in the box when to goal kick is taken, it's a re-take.

The law does however state that attackers can enter the box as soon as the ball has been struck and can "clearly be seen to have moved." The instructor on my course said about half a rotation is ebnough for it to be "clear."


But also this applys in the same course


https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-16---the-goal-kick#:~:text=If%2C%20when%20a%20goal%20kick,referee%20allows%20play%20to%20continue.
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Yes they can be in there because they didn't have time to leave which allows for quick goal kicks to be taken but if they then touch the ball it's a re-take.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: Mike_F on February 27, 2024, 10:56:16 am
not really if it was a quick free kick and the opposition wasn’t trying to stop him taking or wasn’t looking to gain an advantage,it’s the same as a goal kick if an attacker is still making his way out of the area and it’s played he can then go for the ball

Not so. This is covered in the FA refs course. If an attacking player is in the box when to goal kick is taken, it's a re-take.

The law does however state that attackers can enter the box as soon as the ball has been struck and can "clearly be seen to have moved." The instructor on my course said about half a rotation is ebnough for it to be "clear."



https://youtu.be/lV5TKATd77s?si=b63xvSEieQjKxBQ2
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No issues with the quick free kick there, TFE. I was talking specifically about goal kicks.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: eastender on February 27, 2024, 11:02:36 am
 
God that is really bad by Hiwula, zero thought and technique into how he was gonna slot that ball home.
It was that bad , it wrong footed all the defenders and nearly went in. :laugh:
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: ncRover on February 27, 2024, 11:08:13 am
Morecambe released almost their entire squad after last season then signed a lot of kids on loan and journeymen.

I would guess they have a lower wage budget than us this year. It’s amazing how they are where they are… for now at least.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: scawsby steve on February 27, 2024, 05:38:00 pm
Morecambe released almost their entire squad after last season then signed a lot of kids on loan and journeymen.

I would guess they have a lower wage budget than us this year. It’s amazing how they are where they are… for now at least.

And how they can somehow beat a team 5-0 away from home.
Title: Re: There’s hope for us all yet
Post by: roversdude on February 27, 2024, 05:55:26 pm
Glad you clarified that as I was sure Rufus got sent off