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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Branton Rover on March 30, 2024, 09:03:36 am
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I like the rest of the fan base would love us to sign Adelakun when his current contract expires at Lincoln. However, in my opinion he’s not going to come to us. I’d love to be wrong, but the fact is the only thing that would attract him is McCann & how he plays under him. I think the one thing the Facebook kids fail to recognise is that Hakeeb is a working man and he will go to whoever pays him top Dollar & that’s highly unlikely to be us.
I can see another kids meltdown looming & the young’uns turning on the chairman again and moaning about him not spending his money the way they want him to do.
Imo we will make Hakeeb as good an offer as we can & then it’s in the lap of the Gods. Hopefully he values his game over money but he is a professional and they only play for the money.
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Tommy Rowe was offered more money elsewhere when he came back to Rovers.
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That maybe true but I get the feeling Tommy Rowe makes his own decisions, he doesn’t or hasn’t moved under the whim of an agent.
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Being honest he is 28 in the summer when the contract is up so probably has one big money move left in his career. I would love for him to stay but think a low end league 1 could take a gamble on him. Only thing that we may have going in our favour is the McCann link and how well he’s done here and the majority of his clubs have all been relatively local to here so I would assume he is settled in the area.
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I like the rest of the fan base would love us to sign Adelakun when his current contract expires at Lincoln. However, in my opinion he’s not going to come to us. I’d love to be wrong, but the fact is the only thing that would attract him is McCann & how he plays under him. I think the one thing the Facebook kids fail to recognise is that Hakeeb is a working man and he will go to whoever pays him top Dollar & that’s highly unlikely to be us.
I can see another kids meltdown looming & the young’uns turning on the chairman again and moaning about him not spending his money the way they want him to do.
Imo we will make Hakeeb as good an offer as we can & then it’s in the lap of the Gods. Hopefully he values his game over money but he is a professional and they only play for the money.
Agree and I think Rovers will do everything reasonably possible to sign him, but as we know, it's not a simple as that with other parties involved.
Yes, there'll be those ready with the knives out should he not sign, but I think McCann will shut them down and tell it like it is.
I wouldn't like to call it one way or another but McCann has expressed how much Adelakun is enjoying his time here which will count for something.
There's also other fish to fry and we wouldn't want to put all our eggs in one basket and miss out on other key players.
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Tommy Rowe was offered more money elsewhere when he came back to Rovers.
Probably by clubs at the other end of the country.
He signed for us because he was thinking "holistically' . I.e. we're close to where he lives.
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The Facebook kids don’t see it that way they want a goalkeeper plus Hakeeb Adelakun
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Peoples funding campaign anyone ??
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Did you all see the wage bill at Wrexham …9 million?Now divide that among a squad of 30 and that equates to a third of a million per player for a season ! They will see HA on Tuesday but even with the promotion in their pocket they cannot replicate what GM has done for this player and TB will support GM in my view .
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The best thing fans can do is turn up in numbers, sing and shout our heads off from start to finish. Sing his name and make him want to sign!
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We have to remember that Lincoln were a mid table league 1 club when they let him go. He also scored ZERO goals in 21 games for Gillingham at this level last year. So at 27 turning 28 he could be a risk as a potential signing for a decent L1 team.
Hakeeb has said that he the geography of our club was favourable for him. He is from London but looking at his former clubs they are mostly Yorkshire / Lincolnshire. His moves down south haven’t been productive for him - see Bristol and Gillingham. I don’t know if he has a young family or anything.
He has also suggested that this coaching team knows how to get the best out of him. Hakeeb says playing as a striker at Lincoln (in a front 2) didn’t suit him. I think this is also helped by the 4-3-3 system McCann likes. In this system, the centre forward is a focal point / hold up player / general dog’s body to occupy centre halves. Ironside (7 out of 9) and Biamou (4 out of 7) won so many headers yesterday. This allows for a goal scoring wide player like Hakeeb to get in to dangerous positions.
The tactical trend in the EFL at the moment is some sort of variation of 3-5-2 / 3-4-2-1. Winger-less formations.
I think in looking at potential transfers it’s best to identify a role that compliments the system and the other players and then to look at the numbers and stats.
So if we look at L1/L2 clubs that are in a better position than us the Yorkshire / Lincs / East Midlands region we have:
Derby - getting promoted to the championship. Won’t be interested.
Barnsley - don’t play with wingers
Mansfield - also don’t play with wingers
Rotherham - could be a potential risk with dropping down to L1. Looks like they do play with wingers under the current manager. HA played there on loan but didn’t score in 9 games.
That being said, I think if Rovers want his signature it probably isn’t best to attract too much attention and inflate his ego by putting up posts such as “Hakeeb Adelakun and his one man show”.
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Be interesting to know what Close or Taylor are on , both out of contract and will free up a decent amount of £ to offer to new signings if both released.
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Peoples funding campaign anyone ??
I have a cunning plan for this. Will only cost a tenner. It only takes 100 of us from this forum to put a 10 Quid on winning promotion, currently at 150 - 1 with the winning proceeds going to the sign him up Fund.
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The best thing fans can do is turn up in numbers, sing and shout our heads off from start to finish. Sing his name and make him want to sign!
Do we have a song for him?
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Be interesting to know what Close or Taylor are on , both out of contract and will free up a decent amount of £ to offer to new signings if both released.
You can write Close’s wages out of that formula.
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Taylor and Rowe combined surely enough to get him?
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The more I think about it the more I think it’s not impossible he signs. Less clubs dive in on players that over perform over short periods these days. 5/6/7 years ago most clubs in L1 would be willing to fall into that trap. Clubs are much smarter these days.
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The more I think about it the more I think it’s not impossible he signs. Less clubs dive in on players that over perform over short periods these days. 5/6/7 years ago most clubs in L1 would be willing to fall into that trap. Clubs are much smarter these days.
I’m hoping we make the mistake of signing him up.
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Be interesting to know what Close or Taylor are on , both out of contract and will free up a decent amount of £ to offer to new signings if both released.
Both be on between 2.500 & 3.000 per week would be my estimate. Those 2 and Tommy Rowe will be our highest earners.
Think all 3 should be released this summer as out of contract so that should free up around 8.000 + in wages.
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Just seen the Ben Close thread and that he has signed a new 2 yr contract.
So much for my previous post. :zzz:
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The more I think about it the more I think it’s not impossible he signs. Less clubs dive in on players that over perform over short periods these days. 5/6/7 years ago most clubs in L1 would be willing to fall into that trap. Clubs are much smarter these days.
Much smarter ?
I hope we’re really stupid and sign him
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The more I think about it the more I think it’s not impossible he signs. Less clubs dive in on players that over perform over short periods these days. 5/6/7 years ago most clubs in L1 would be willing to fall into that trap. Clubs are much smarter these days.
Cole at Barnsley has totally gone the other way he has finally refound his true form ?
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He’s had a surprisingly good season definitely although has tailed off dramatically - 1 in his last 12.
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I don’t know much about football money stats.
What would be good money from us , vs other interested clubs?
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Apart from Wrexham I don’t think there will be many players in League 2 on 3.000 + a week.
Bradford City, Stockport County & Notts County will have a few, possibly Mansfield a couple I would guess.
The others on that kind of money will be few and far between.
Coming down Carlisle & Fleetwood, and then 2 of either Cheltenham, Port Vale, Cambridge & Burton.
Don’t expect any of those clubs will be paying out big wages next season.
Chesterfield coming up I would imagine will have a few on decent money.
Assuming Stockport, Mansfield and Wrexham go up then the biggest wage payers in League 2 next season will be Bradford City, Notts County, Gillingham, MK Dons, Swindon Town, Wimbledon and hopefully
& I expect to be Doncaster Rovers. Tranmere will be top 8/9 also.
Swindon though I think are not in a very healthy financial situation.
One or 2 others may not be also!!!
Given I believe we have possibly the best manager in League 2 then I fancy us for top 3 next season even if there were 7 clubs with a higher budget than us.
It is quite possible TB will push the boat out and give GM a top 3/4 budget but to be honest I am not bothered about the budget as long as it is competitive.
It’s what the manager and coaches do on the training ground which is transmitted to performances and results in the matches that counts.
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Following my above post.
Look at Barrow, Crewe, Crawley, Newport, Harrogate
Budgets at all those clubs will be bottom 7/8 in this league.
Budget is not be all and end all. But it does help.
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Carlisle got a big money takeover I believe Camps.
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Carlisle got a big money takeover I believe Camps.
Right didn’t know that.
Yes they may be a threat next season. Difficult to assess.
I am really surprised they have struggled so much this season after promotion. They have a good manager in Simpson as well.
Struggle being an understatement. 23 points from is it 39 games. That’s shocking
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Carlisle got a big money takeover I believe Camps.
Right didn’t know that.
Yes they may be a threat next season. Difficult to assess.
I am really surprised they have struggled so much this season after promotion. They have a good manager in Simpson as well.
Struggle being an understatement. 23 points from is it 39 games. That’s shocking
27 from 40. Must have got 4 points from their last game!!
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As I said at some length on another thread some time ago, he has not had sustained 1st team football anywhere else for a long time and never been so successful as he has been here.
Moving on that can't be guaranteed, so will he opt for job satisfaction. We can hope!
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If we could offer £4kish a week but someone offers £5k+ week, what would he do? An extra £50k+ a year.
Footballers have a short playing career. You couldn't begrudge him for choosing elsewhere.
I have lost good colleagues in my line of work who I know enjoyed the job.
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If we could offer £4kish a week but someone offers £5k+ week, what would he do? An extra £50k+ a year.
Footballers have a short playing career. You couldn't begrudge him for choosing elsewhere.
I have lost good colleagues in my line of work who I know enjoyed the job.
If we offer him 4k a week we need sectioning! You are right in what you say though. Footballers are generally mercenaries but agents always are. I think he will end up at Wimbledon or Crawley. A southern club at the top end of L2.
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Is there any truth he's on 5k a week currently at Lincoln? Seems unlikely
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If we could offer £4kish a week but someone offers £5k+ week, what would he do? An extra £50k+ a year.
Footballers have a short playing career. You couldn't begrudge him for choosing elsewhere.
I have lost good colleagues in my line of work who I know enjoyed the job.
If we offer him 4k a week we need sectioning! You are right in what you say though. Footballers are generally mercenaries but agents always are. I think he will end up at Wimbledon or Crawley. A southern club at the top end of L2.
Wimbledon maybe but Crawley, really?
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Is there any truth he's on 5k a week currently at Lincoln? Seems unlikely
I’m not sure how anyone on here could know the answer to that.
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Is there any truth he's on 5k a week currently at Lincoln? Seems unlikely
I’m not sure how anyone on here could know the answer to that.
Love to know who the mole is that gives out all this salary info.
Someone is well informed hound. It’s made up nonsense I am pretty sure. :that:
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If we could offer £4kish a week but someone offers £5k+ week, what would he do? An extra £50k+ a year.
Footballers have a short playing career. You couldn't begrudge him for choosing elsewhere.
I have lost good colleagues in my line of work who I know enjoyed the job.
If we offer him 4k a week we need sectioning! You are right in what you say though. Footballers are generally mercenaries but agents always are. I think he will end up at Wimbledon or Crawley. A southern club at the top end of L2.
Wimbledon maybe but Crawley, really?
Would be very shocked if he went to either of these two clubs even if they got promotion.
I don’t think anyone will get offered more than 3.000 a week at Rovers in League 2 (altered from league 1 ) mistake.
Any clubs paying more money than that are seriously treading on ice. Gambling with the clubs long term future unless the owners are prepared to blow millions that they will never recoup. Unless they get to the Premier league.
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If we could offer £4kish a week but someone offers £5k+ week, what would he do? An extra £50k+ a year.
Footballers have a short playing career. You couldn't begrudge him for choosing elsewhere.
I have lost good colleagues in my line of work who I know enjoyed the job.
If we offer him 4k a week we need sectioning! You are right in what you say though. Footballers are generally mercenaries but agents always are. I think he will end up at Wimbledon or Crawley. A southern club at the top end of L2.
Wimbledon maybe but Crawley, really?
They have a few quid and they will challenge next season.
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If we could offer £4kish a week but someone offers £5k+ week, what would he do? An extra £50k+ a year.
Footballers have a short playing career. You couldn't begrudge him for choosing elsewhere.
I have lost good colleagues in my line of work who I know enjoyed the job.
If we offer him 4k a week we need sectioning! You are right in what you say though. Footballers are generally mercenaries but agents always are. I think he will end up at Wimbledon or Crawley. A southern club at the top end of L2.
Wimbledon maybe but Crawley, really?
They have a few quid and they will challenge next season.
So do we & we will too!
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They’ve just got over million quid for Al-Hamadi.
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Wimbledon or Crawley….why?!
If a Lg1 side don’t come ‘sniffing round’ I think the GM factor will have him staying at Rovers.
My opinion.
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If we could offer £4kish a week but someone offers £5k+ week, what would he do? An extra £50k+ a year.
Footballers have a short playing career. You couldn't begrudge him for choosing elsewhere.
I have lost good colleagues in my line of work who I know enjoyed the job.
If we offer him 4k a week we need sectioning! You are right in what you say though. Footballers are generally mercenaries but agents always are. I think he will end up at Wimbledon or Crawley. A southern club at the top end of L2.
Not impossible he ends up at a small L1 club like Orient maybe.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
Is January the right month to get best value in long term transfer decisions?
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
Is January the right month to get best value in long term transfer decisions?
Certainly an interesting debate. Really depends how wide your net is and how confident you are in the ability of the players on the list. I think in our situation we could have given ourselves less to do in the summer. If we sign HA, MC and TLT in the summer I’ll admit it was a great window and more was happening in the background than I was privy to. If we sign none of them, the impetus they have given us will be important going into next season but it feels a little bit like we will be knocked back a few steps in the squad building exercise.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
Is January the right month to get best value in long term transfer decisions?
Certainly an interesting debate. Really depends how wide your net is and how confident you are in the ability of the players on the list. I think in our situation we could have given ourselves less to do in the summer. If we sign HA, MC and TLT in the summer I’ll admit it was a great window and more was happening in the background than I was privy to. If we sign none of them, the impetus they have given us will be important going into next season but it feels a little bit like we will be knocked back a few steps in the squad building exercise.
Can’t argue with that. Although I would say that given the position we were slipping to there needed to be short / immediate term as well as long term action in January. But I take your point on long term squad building and the difficulty if we can’t secure at least some of the above long term. I hold out genuine hope with Haks, some possibly delusional hope with TLT and almost no hope with Craig.
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In terms of the quality brought in in January you could view it as McCann making a statement to show what a bit more quality in key areas can do. It excites everyone and should put bums on seats.
We know however, even before the Meet the Owners, we were carrying too many players and the squad needs to be trimmed for next season. Quality over quantity is the direction whilst maintaining a squad fit for purpose.
Realistically, very unlikely TLT or Craig will be available to us. HA and MB are likely to be contested for.
I don't know what you all think but my guess is if Molyneux was going to sign, he would have done it by now. Looking increasingly likely Lavery, Taylor, Biggins and Rowe will go. Those should free up funds to play with plus encourage TB to sanction the pursuit of the quality currently on show. That's my take on things anyway.
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They’ve just got over million quid for Al-Hamadi.
We got over 1 million for Marquis and considerably more for Whiteman didn’t we but I don’t remember us flashing the cash.
The lions share of the transfer fees received by most clubs in League 1 and 2 go to balancing the books.
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They’ve just got over million quid for Al-Hamadi.
We got over 1 million for Marquis and considerably more for Whiteman didn’t we but I don’t remember us flashing the cash.
The lions share of the transfer fees received by most clubs in League 1 and 2 go to balancing the books.
Good post, Camps, and dead right IMO. Although, you got the transfer money the wrong way round. We got more for Marquis than Whiteman.
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AFC Wimbledon made an operating profit last season.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
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AFC Wimbledon made an operating profit last season.
From transfers received or money invested from shares or loans.
Don’t expect they made a profit from income received. Very few clubs manage to do that in League 2 or league 1
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Operating profit is not a function of either equity or debt.
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Operating profit is not a function of either equity or debt.
I am aware of that thank you.
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Ok, just that you said their operating profit last season was from "money invested from shares and loans". As you mention, these two are not related.
They turned an operating profit of over a million quid last season, on a wage bill of over £4m. They have in the last two months also taken upwards of a million from the Al-Hamadi transfer.
AFC Wimbledon are likely in a better financial position than we are to offer terms, should that be a possibility.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
Right GazLaz please tell me why McGrath is rubbish.
That’s an unbelievable statement to make about a 20 yr old who we have only seen play how many times is it, no more than 5 games I would think without checking.
I would like to hear your reasoning on this. Genuine question.
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Ok, just that you said their operating profit last season was from "money invested from shares and loans". As you mention, these two are not related.
They turned an operating profit of over a million quid last season, on a wage bill of over £4m. They have in the last two months also taken upwards of a million from the Al-Hamadi transfer.
AFC Wimbledon are likely in a better financial position than we are to offer terms, should that be a possibility.
Well for a club averaging gates of a little over 7.500 & a wage bill of over 4 million how do they make an operating profit of 1 million.
Where is the money coming from? They must have a fantastic commercial set up that’s bringing in far more than club Doncaster brings in.
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Moving to their new stadium has materially increased their income, with turnover up around 40pc. They have also monetised their talent on a fairly consistent level in recent years. All of this while keeping their wage bill fairly consistent at around £4m. They are just a better commercial entity than we are, using their budget better. Obviously they are as bad performance wise on the pitch as we have been over the same period.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
I wax lyrical about Maxwell and Hurst. I say the keeper is great. Ironside and Bailey have been really good solid signings. We are in the bottom half of L2 Dicko, maybe my standards are a bit higher than yours when it comes to recruitment.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
I wax lyrical about Maxwell and Hurst. I say the keeper is great. Ironside and Bailey have been really good solid signings. We are in the bottom half of L2 Dicko, maybe my standards are a bit higher than yours when it comes to recruitment.
Your standards aren’t higher (your ego….no question there) they’re just your opinions, nothing more.
Bailey & Ironside have been the most consistent players at the club this season & no doubt one of them will be receiving the ‘Player of the season Award’ at the end of season awards.
I think Kyle Hurst is a really good footballer but I wouldn't ‘wax lyrical’ over him because he hasn’t played enough games this season to warrant that. Molyneaux certainly has & I could put forward a case in recent games to ‘wax lyrical’ over his contribution to the side’s performance’s & results but of course you could find better on his wages (which you omitted to tell us what they were by the way) ‘out there quite easily’.
McGrath isn’t rubbish just as Adelukan, Biamou & Lo-Titula aren’t great. They’re very good (certainly Haks & LTT I would offer contracts to tomorrow) but they’re not what I would call ‘great’.
The club must have hurt you very deeply when they consigned your suggestions on who they should sign to the waste paper bin however long ago it must have been.
Get over yourself.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
I wax lyrical about Maxwell and Hurst. I say the keeper is great. Ironside and Bailey have been really good solid signings. We are in the bottom half of L2 Dicko, maybe my standards are a bit higher than yours when it comes to recruitment.
Your standards aren’t higher (your ego….no question there) they’re just your opinions, nothing more.
Bailey & Ironside have been the most consistent players at the club this season & no doubt one of them will be receiving the ‘Player of the season Award’ at the end of season awards.
I think Kyle Hurst is a really good footballer but I wouldn't ‘wax lyrical’ over him because he hasn’t played enough games this season to warrant that. Molyneaux certainly has & I could put forward a case in recent games to ‘wax lyrical’ over his contribution to the side’s performance’s & results but of course you could find better on his wages (which you omitted to tell us what they were by the way) ‘out there quite easily’.
McGrath isn’t rubbish just as Adelukan, Biamou & Lo-Titula aren’t great. They’re very good (certainly Haks & LTT I would offer contracts to tomorrow) but they’re not what I would call ‘great’.
The club must have hurt you very deeply when they consigned your suggestions on who they should sign to the waste paper bin however long ago it must have been.
Get over yourself.
You are getting extremely boring with the same old drivel you keep spouting towards me. Keyboard warrior with too much time on his hands. You honestly haven’t got a clue about me, what I know, what I don’t know or my relationships with people at the club. I’ve been posting on this forum (and predecessors) for as long as I can remember, disagreed with loads of people and I have honestly never encountered such a ghastly figure as yourself.
Oh and these “opinions”. I’ve spent the last number of years working for an organisation that turns over 100m a year betting on football using analytics and machine learning systems put together by some of the best data analysts churned out by Cambridge University. We provide recruitment data to top level football clubs around the world and integrate automated pricing models into bookmakers systems. I’ve worked along side people that have managed in the EFL, worked for the FA and headed football operations at the biggest bookmakers in the country. If you think I base what I say on fresh air then fair enough. I’ll give you a little hint though, there’s slightly more to these “opinions” than that.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
I wax lyrical about Maxwell and Hurst. I say the keeper is great. Ironside and Bailey have been really good solid signings. We are in the bottom half of L2 Dicko, maybe my standards are a bit higher than yours when it comes to recruitment.
We are mate, but a simplistic view is that’s all because of our dreadful start to the season.
Disregard those first 7 games where would we be in the table now after 32 games?
We’d surely be in the top 10.
Out of all the signings McCann has made I would suggest the disappointing one is Broadbent,
He’s made some terrific signings for me,
Nixon, Sterry, Timmy, senior, wood, Bailey, hak, Ironside, maxim, have all been terrific signings.
A few loans haven’t worked out like Roberts, marsh the lad from Bolton, but this mainly down to injuries.
Then we have the young lads McGrath, sotana, who both in my opinion showed plenty of potential, and were both probably no lose signings.
When you look at the shite we’ve signed over the last 5 years or so, McCanns recruitment has been excellent
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To add to what I’ve just said,
Disregarding the first 7 games of the season we have got 50 points from 32 games.
Looking at the league table, 50 points from 32 games would have had us sat in 7th place at that stage. So it is a simplistic way of looking at it but just shows how our poor start has affected the season. 7th place after 32 games would’ve been a v good season so far, but just because of those 7 games we were sat in 20th rather than 7th.
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I genuinely don’t understand the animosity from some about looking at the data around players. All those that advocate it are saying is we could do better than we do currently.
You don’t have to be a long time supporter to remember us competing with Brighton and Brentford, and look at where they are now.
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I genuinely don’t understand the animosity from some about looking at the data around players. All those that advocate it are saying is we could do better than we do currently.
You don’t have to be a long time supporter to remember us competing with Brighton and Brentford, and look at where they are now.
Bournemouth !
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I genuinely don’t understand the animosity from some about looking at the data around players. All those that advocate it are saying is we could do better than we do currently.
You don’t have to be a long time supporter to remember us competing with Brighton and Brentford, and look at where they are now.
It’s a good point and I’m all for the data. But we can’t just say Brighton and Brentford are where they are because they look at data.
They’ve spent millions and millions and millions,
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Yes they’ve still had to put the money in but they’ve got much better value for it to get where they are. Brentford’s wage bill is about the same as Leeds and significantly less than Leicester’s who are both obviously in the league below.
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I genuinely don’t understand the animosity from some about looking at the data around players. All those that advocate it are saying is we could do better than we do currently.
You don’t have to be a long time supporter to remember us competing with Brighton and Brentford, and look at where they are now.
It’s a good point and I’m all for the data. But we can’t just say Brighton and Brentford are where they are because they look at data.
They’ve spent millions and millions and millions,
And they've made millions. Do it on a lower scale and we'd be back competing for promotion to the Championship, not scrambling around the doldrums of League Two.
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I genuinely don’t understand the animosity from some about looking at the data around players. All those that advocate it are saying is we could do better than we do currently.
You don’t have to be a long time supporter to remember us competing with Brighton and Brentford, and look at where they are now.
It’s a good point and I’m all for the data. But we can’t just say Brighton and Brentford are where they are because they look at data.
They’ve spent millions and millions and millions,
They’ve spent money but it’s all relative isn’t it? They have invested money (yes millions) and got a huge return on it. They’ve rolled this model out successfully in other countries as well. They have used the same data that’s earned them (literally) billions betting on football.
Tony Bloom has a million pound a game on in the Premier League, he’s made himself a billionaire gambling. By your theory he should get no credit for that because he’s spent millions!
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
I wax lyrical about Maxwell and Hurst. I say the keeper is great. Ironside and Bailey have been really good solid signings. We are in the bottom half of L2 Dicko, maybe my standards are a bit higher than yours when it comes to recruitment.
Your standards aren’t higher (your ego….no question there) they’re just your opinions, nothing more.
Bailey & Ironside have been the most consistent players at the club this season & no doubt one of them will be receiving the ‘Player of the season Award’ at the end of season awards.
I think Kyle Hurst is a really good footballer but I wouldn't ‘wax lyrical’ over him because he hasn’t played enough games this season to warrant that. Molyneaux certainly has & I could put forward a case in recent games to ‘wax lyrical’ over his contribution to the side’s performance’s & results but of course you could find better on his wages (which you omitted to tell us what they were by the way) ‘out there quite easily’.
McGrath isn’t rubbish just as Adelukan, Biamou & Lo-Titula aren’t great. They’re very good (certainly Haks & LTT I would offer contracts to tomorrow) but they’re not what I would call ‘great’.
The club must have hurt you very deeply when they consigned your suggestions on who they should sign to the waste paper bin however long ago it must have been.
Get over yourself.
You are getting extremely boring with the same old drivel you keep spouting towards me. Keyboard warrior with too much time on his hands. You honestly haven’t got a clue about me, what I know, what I don’t know or my relationships with people at the club. I’ve been posting on this forum (and predecessors) for as long as I can remember, disagreed with loads of people and I have honestly never encountered such a ghastly figure as yourself.
Oh and these “opinions”. I’ve spent the last number of years working for an organisation that turns over 100m a year betting on football using analytics and machine learning systems put together by some of the best data analysts churned out by Cambridge University. We provide recruitment data to top level football clubs around the world and integrate automated pricing models into bookmakers systems. I’ve worked along side people that have managed in the EFL, worked for the FA and headed football operations at the biggest bookmakers in the country. If you think I base what I say on fresh air then fair enough. I’ll give you a little hint though, there’s slightly more to these “opinions” than that.
But of a climb down from crane driving Gaz.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
I wax lyrical about Maxwell and Hurst. I say the keeper is great. Ironside and Bailey have been really good solid signings. We are in the bottom half of L2 Dicko, maybe my standards are a bit higher than yours when it comes to recruitment.
Your standards aren’t higher (your ego….no question there) they’re just your opinions, nothing more.
Bailey & Ironside have been the most consistent players at the club this season & no doubt one of them will be receiving the ‘Player of the season Award’ at the end of season awards.
I think Kyle Hurst is a really good footballer but I wouldn't ‘wax lyrical’ over him because he hasn’t played enough games this season to warrant that. Molyneaux certainly has & I could put forward a case in recent games to ‘wax lyrical’ over his contribution to the side’s performance’s & results but of course you could find better on his wages (which you omitted to tell us what they were by the way) ‘out there quite easily’.
McGrath isn’t rubbish just as Adelukan, Biamou & Lo-Titula aren’t great. They’re very good (certainly Haks & LTT I would offer contracts to tomorrow) but they’re not what I would call ‘great’.
The club must have hurt you very deeply when they consigned your suggestions on who they should sign to the waste paper bin however long ago it must have been.
Get over yourself.
You are getting extremely boring with the same old drivel you keep spouting towards me. Keyboard warrior with too much time on his hands. You honestly haven’t got a clue about me, what I know, what I don’t know or my relationships with people at the club. I’ve been posting on this forum (and predecessors) for as long as I can remember, disagreed with loads of people and I have honestly never encountered such a ghastly figure as yourself.
Oh and these “opinions”. I’ve spent the last number of years working for an organisation that turns over 100m a year betting on football using analytics and machine learning systems put together by some of the best data analysts churned out by Cambridge University. We provide recruitment data to top level football clubs around the world and integrate automated pricing models into bookmakers systems. I’ve worked along side people that have managed in the EFL, worked for the FA and headed football operations at the biggest bookmakers in the country. If you think I base what I say on fresh air then fair enough. I’ll give you a little hint though, there’s slightly more to these “opinions” than that.
Your first paragraph.
I seem to have touched a nerve. Still, knockers gave your post a like so you’re in good company there.
If you, or indeed anyone on the forum posts negatively they should expect to be challenged, as I challenge you. I tend to quote you to show how ridiculously bombastic your comments are. Comments that more often than not are one line ‘tossed off’ remarks made by someone who comes across as a smug t**t.
Example on Joe Ironside. “Won’t score ten goals from open play”. That was it. No ‘in my opinion’ just an unnecessary one line negative remark made at the beginning of this year against the spearhead of our team who sweats blood & battles for every ball in every game. And before you tell me he’s not scored ten from open play, that’s not the point…is it. What drives you to come out with (to use your phrase) drivel like that, really. Does it add anything to the thread? Is it enlightening, revealing, thought provoking? No. It’s negative, uncalled for, needless, mindless & pointless. It’s you.
I could also say ‘ditto’ to that paragraph.
Your second paragraph.
As curriculum vitae’s go, that wouldn’t have got you an interview in my line of work where attention to detail, being able to ‘read’ & produce intel reports, profile indicators on groups & individuals allied with the ability not to be blinded by but on occasions to’ see past’ what the data is telling you & trust your instincts were ‘givens’ in a role where your actions could have life changing effects on people.
I tell you that much about myself so that you can be assured I have plenty to keep me occupied however, you can also rest assured that I will continue to challenge you (& any other forum members I feel are being unreasonably negative especially the ones like you, who do so with such arrogance) whether they consider me to be boring, repetitive or even ghastly.
To sum up (regarding your second paragraph), get over yourself.
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Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
Do we know that Wimbledon, Crawley and Leyton Orient have poor enough recruitment departments to lead them to make such a whimsical error in the transfer market? Surely we lead the way on that. Especially on the back of our awful January recruitment…
Re: January. We signed one player permanently who is rubbish in McGrath. In terms of strengthening the club long term, it wasn’t great was it? Three of the 5 loans have been great admittedly.
When we signed McGrath and craig you said
How can anyone seriously think they would come into a side struggling massively and make an impact? Copps and Grant obviously did. The mind boggles.
But craig has made an unbelievable impact on the team, you also mocked McCann for calling him a sensational player.
I like your posts and you often talk sense, but with the clubs recruitment it’s quite evident that you won’t praise any of it, maybe because of their lack of interest when you offered help.
I just think slagging off everyone we sign just dilutes any of the great points you make.
McGrath isn’t rubbish, Sterry isn’t useless, Bailey isn’t average, adelekun isn’t ok, for example
I wax lyrical about Maxwell and Hurst. I say the keeper is great. Ironside and Bailey have been really good solid signings. We are in the bottom half of L2 Dicko, maybe my standards are a bit higher than yours when it comes to recruitment.
Your standards aren’t higher (your ego….no question there) they’re just your opinions, nothing more.
Bailey & Ironside have been the most consistent players at the club this season & no doubt one of them will be receiving the ‘Player of the season Award’ at the end of season awards.
I think Kyle Hurst is a really good footballer but I wouldn't ‘wax lyrical’ over him because he hasn’t played enough games this season to warrant that. Molyneaux certainly has & I could put forward a case in recent games to ‘wax lyrical’ over his contribution to the side’s performance’s & results but of course you could find better on his wages (which you omitted to tell us what they were by the way) ‘out there quite easily’.
McGrath isn’t rubbish just as Adelukan, Biamou & Lo-Titula aren’t great. They’re very good (certainly Haks & LTT I would offer contracts to tomorrow) but they’re not what I would call ‘great’.
The club must have hurt you very deeply when they consigned your suggestions on who they should sign to the waste paper bin however long ago it must have been.
Get over yourself.
You are getting extremely boring with the same old drivel you keep spouting towards me. Keyboard warrior with too much time on his hands. You honestly haven’t got a clue about me, what I know, what I don’t know or my relationships with people at the club. I’ve been posting on this forum (and predecessors) for as long as I can remember, disagreed with loads of people and I have honestly never encountered such a ghastly figure as yourself.
Oh and these “opinions”. I’ve spent the last number of years working for an organisation that turns over 100m a year betting on football using analytics and machine learning systems put together by some of the best data analysts churned out by Cambridge University. We provide recruitment data to top level football clubs around the world and integrate automated pricing models into bookmakers systems. I’ve worked along side people that have managed in the EFL, worked for the FA and headed football operations at the biggest bookmakers in the country. If you think I base what I say on fresh air then fair enough. I’ll give you a little hint though, there’s slightly more to these “opinions” than that.
Your first paragraph.
I seem to have touched a nerve. Still, knockers gave your post a like so you’re in good company there.
If you, or indeed anyone on the forum posts negatively they should expect to be challenged, as I challenge you. I tend to quote you to show how ridiculously bombastic your comments are. Comments that more often than not are one line ‘tossed off’ remarks made by someone who comes across as a smug t**t.
Example on Joe Ironside. “Won’t score ten goals from open play”. That was it. No ‘in my opinion’ just an unnecessary one line negative remark made at the beginning of this year against the spearhead of our team who sweats blood & battles for every ball in every game. And before you tell me he’s not scored ten from open play, that’s not the point…is it.
I could also say ‘ditto’ to that paragraph.
Your second paragraph.
As curriculum vitae’s go, that wouldn’t have got you an interview in my line of work where attention to detail, being able to ‘read’ & produce intel reports, profile indicators on groups & individuals allied with the ability not to be blinded by but on occasions to’ see past’ what the data is telling you & trust your instincts were ‘givens’ in a role where your actions could have life changing effects on people.
I tell you that much about myself so that you can be assured I have plenty to keep me occupied however, you can also rest assured that I will continue to challenge you (& any other forum members I feel are being unreasonably negative especially the ones like you, who do so with such arrogance) whether they consider me to be boring, repetitive or even ghastly.
To sum up (regarding your second paragraph), get over yourself.
And I suppose you carry council over judging what is negativity and what is actually likely reality….
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I for one enjoy your sats and opinions Gaz, might not agree with all of your opinions like, but thats life, but most certainly do align with my own opinions, carry on with the analytics, everyone is entitled to agree or disagree with them
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I for one enjoy your sats and opinions Gaz, might not agree with all of your opinions like, but thats life, but most certainly do align with my own opinions, carry on with the analytics, everyone is entitled to agree or disagree with them
Forums like this wouldn’t exist if everyone had the same opinion would they.
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I for one enjoy your sats and opinions Gaz, might not agree with all of your opinions like, but thats life, but most certainly do align with my own opinions, carry on with the analytics, everyone is entitled to agree or disagree with them
Forums like this wouldn’t exist if everyone had the same opinion would they.
Very true
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I like the diversity of opinions on this forum. Way better than the #drfc hashtag on Twitter, where it’s often been a negativity competition.
I’ve researched a few potential transfer targets and was going to do a post on them soon similar to what VivaRovers (I think) did a few years ago. I’d be interested to see what people think.
I thought I’d give it a go after my crystal ball being right on Ironside and then Hakeeb ;)
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I genuinely don’t understand the animosity from some about looking at the data around players. All those that advocate it are saying is we could do better than we do currently.
You don’t have to be a long time supporter to remember us competing with Brighton and Brentford, and look at where they are now.
It’s a good point and I’m all for the data. But we can’t just say Brighton and Brentford are where they are because they look at data.
They’ve spent millions and millions and millions,
They’ve spent money but it’s all relative isn’t it? They have invested money (yes millions) and got a huge return on it. They’ve rolled this model out successfully in other countries as well. They have used the same data that’s earned them (literally) billions betting on football.
Tony Bloom has a million pound a game on in the Premier League, he’s made himself a billionaire gambling. By your theory he should get no credit for that because he’s spent millions!
That’s not my theory at all, my theory was to compare us to those two is ridiculous because we would have to spend a lot more money than we currently do.
Not suggesting it’s not a good way of working but we can’t be compared when you consider the transfer fees and wages involved
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I genuinely don’t understand the animosity from some about looking at the data around players. All those that advocate it are saying is we could do better than we do currently.
You don’t have to be a long time supporter to remember us competing with Brighton and Brentford, and look at where they are now.
It’s a good point and I’m all for the data. But we can’t just say Brighton and Brentford are where they are because they look at data.
They’ve spent millions and millions and millions,
They’ve spent money but it’s all relative isn’t it? They have invested money (yes millions) and got a huge return on it. They’ve rolled this model out successfully in other countries as well. They have used the same data that’s earned them (literally) billions betting on football.
Tony Bloom has a million pound a game on in the Premier League, he’s made himself a billionaire gambling. By your theory he should get no credit for that because he’s spent millions!
That’s not my theory at all, my theory was to compare us to those two is ridiculous because we would have to spend a lot more money than we currently do.
Not suggesting it’s not a good way of working but we can’t be compared when you consider the transfer fees and wages involved
Stupid to say you can't compare teams talent identification strategies just because they're in different divisions of the league. The point is about the use of data and how it can give a significant advantage to those clubs using it in terms of maximising the return on their finances. That can be applied whether you're in the Prem' and spending multi-millions or scratching around in the bottom division having to watch the pennies.
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I genuinely don’t understand the animosity from some about looking at the data around players. All those that advocate it are saying is we could do better than we do currently.
You don’t have to be a long time supporter to remember us competing with Brighton and Brentford, and look at where they are now.
It’s a good point and I’m all for the data. But we can’t just say Brighton and Brentford are where they are because they look at data.
They’ve spent millions and millions and millions,
They’ve spent money but it’s all relative isn’t it? They have invested money (yes millions) and got a huge return on it. They’ve rolled this model out successfully in other countries as well. They have used the same data that’s earned them (literally) billions betting on football.
Tony Bloom has a million pound a game on in the Premier League, he’s made himself a billionaire gambling. By your theory he should get no credit for that because he’s spent millions!
That’s not my theory at all, my theory was to compare us to those two is ridiculous because we would have to spend a lot more money than we currently do.
Not suggesting it’s not a good way of working but we can’t be compared when you consider the transfer fees and wages involved
Stupid to say you can't compare teams talent identification strategies just because they're in different divisions of the league. The point is about the use of data and how it can give a significant advantage to those clubs using it in terms of maximising the return on their finances. That can be applied whether you're in the Prem' and spending multi-millions or scratching around in the bottom division having to watch the pennies.
I’m not comparing teams talent identification strategies,
I was responding to the post which said look at where Brentford and Brighton are compared to us.
It’s definitely not purely down to them using data and us not
There are other teams who maybe don’t purely use data that have done well too, Bournemouth, Burnley, Luton, etc etc
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I genuinely don’t understand the animosity from some about looking at the data around players. All those that advocate it are saying is we could do better than we do currently.
You don’t have to be a long time supporter to remember us competing with Brighton and Brentford, and look at where they are now.
It’s a good point and I’m all for the data. But we can’t just say Brighton and Brentford are where they are because they look at data.
They’ve spent millions and millions and millions,
They’ve spent money but it’s all relative isn’t it? They have invested money (yes millions) and got a huge return on it. They’ve rolled this model out successfully in other countries as well. They have used the same data that’s earned them (literally) billions betting on football.
Tony Bloom has a million pound a game on in the Premier League, he’s made himself a billionaire gambling. By your theory he should get no credit for that because he’s spent millions!
That’s not my theory at all, my theory was to compare us to those two is ridiculous because we would have to spend a lot more money than we currently do.
Not suggesting it’s not a good way of working but we can’t be compared when you consider the transfer fees and wages involved
Stupid to say you can't compare teams talent identification strategies just because they're in different divisions of the league. The point is about the use of data and how it can give a significant advantage to those clubs using it in terms of maximising the return on their finances. That can be applied whether you're in the Prem' and spending multi-millions or scratching around in the bottom division having to watch the pennies.
I’m not comparing teams talent identification strategies,
I was responding to the post which said look at where Brentford and Brighton are compared to us.
It’s definitely not purely down to them using data and us not
There are other teams who maybe don’t purely use data that have done well too, Bournemouth, Burnley, Luton, etc etc
Luton are where that are because of data. They use it massively in recruitment.
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Some of us old buggers have just got to move on with the times. I don't like data, but I have to accept that it's now part of all aspects of life; sport, industry, and politics.
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I think there is a good argument for having the data, the likes of which is used in Gaz’ profession and I would think for coaching staff as a measurable way for assessing players and their development.
However for us “regular” fans I prefer to make an assessment on what we see in the games. Do we think a striker looks dangerous and likely to score, just by watching how he plays and his work rate? Take Chris Brown, didn’t score a sack load but I’d have had him in the team every time.
Do stats for an individual player such as xG, take into account how good the rest of the team is?
How do stats measure confidence, motivation etc? Those are elements which we can form an opinion of - if not a direct measure as we can’t see in players’ heads - by watching the game and debating afterwards:
Nowt wrong with having analytical stats for some purposes, but for me, if we as fans use them too much, rather than just watching games with the range of positive and negative emotions that brings, that kind of takes something away from the whole experience.
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I genuinely don’t understand the animosity from some about looking at the data around players. All those that advocate it are saying is we could do better than we do currently.
You don’t have to be a long time supporter to remember us competing with Brighton and Brentford, and look at where they are now.
It’s a good point and I’m all for the data. But we can’t just say Brighton and Brentford are where they are because they look at data.
They’ve spent millions and millions and millions,
They’ve spent money but it’s all relative isn’t it? They have invested money (yes millions) and got a huge return on it. They’ve rolled this model out successfully in other countries as well. They have used the same data that’s earned them (literally) billions betting on football.
Tony Bloom has a million pound a game on in the Premier League, he’s made himself a billionaire gambling. By your theory he should get no credit for that because he’s spent millions!
That’s not my theory at all, my theory was to compare us to those two is ridiculous because we would have to spend a lot more money than we currently do.
Not suggesting it’s not a good way of working but we can’t be compared when you consider the transfer fees and wages involved
Brighton and Brentford didn’t just suddenly start spending millions in league one, they built up slowly. I don’t think Brighton splashed the cash until they got to the premier league and Brentford’s strategy was built on identifying cheap players with potential to sell on for large sums.
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https://x.com/kieranmaguire/status/1775191475283783743?s=46&t=xw9EI8TG6F5OW2QIXK1PaQ
Brighton are smashing profitability records in the EPL.
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Huge compensation for Potter. Will be big number when their current guy leaves also.