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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: drfcsteve on March 30, 2024, 10:00:32 am
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Just for a bit of fun, here is the maximum number of points available to the teams above us. As we know, the maximum available to Rovers is 73 points.
Bradford - 71
Harrogate - 73
Newport - 73
Wimbledon - 74
Morecambe - 75
Gillingham - 75
Walsall - 77
Crawley - 80
Crewe - 84
MK dons - 85
Barrow - 88
I haven’t included Wrexham Mansfield or Stockport as they already have 73 points or more. We can also probably exclude Barrow, MK and Crewe who should be ok to finish top 7.
We still have the opportunity to take points off Morecambe, Walsall, Barrow, and Gills.
Plus, there’s plenty of games left for them to take points off each other. On Monday for example Harrogate play Gills, Morecambe v Barrow, Newport v Crawley. Wimbledon have got Stockport to hopefully drop 3 points there.
Playoffs still needs a miracle but top half finish should be doable if we continue our form.
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Play offs would be ace but for me it's about finishing above Bradford and Walsall.
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i was watching the Newport score they were 1-0 up til late on - then the next time I looked was amazed they had lost
2-1 that was a very significant result in my world --- meaning Colchester ought to be safe when we go there
Colchester scored in the 75th minute then the winner in 90+2
At the start of the season I had Newport down for 4th bottom --- and they look ed bound for a top 12 place
Walsall losing 5-0 did wonders for their goal difference - which is now +0 !! we i think are now on -9 but you never know anyhow it was an excellent reality check since we play them we have the double goal difference a 2-0 win for us closes the gap and in our dreams 3-0 they say makes 6 goal swing !!
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Play offs would be ace but for me it's about finishing above Bradford and Walsall.
Bradford for me, please
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Just for a bit of fun, here is the maximum number of points available to the teams above us. As we know, the maximum available to Rovers is 73 points.
Bradford - 71
Harrogate - 73
Newport - 73
Wimbledon - 74
Morecambe - 75
Gillingham - 75
Walsall - 77
Crawley - 80
Crewe - 84
MK dons - 85
Barrow - 88
I haven’t included Wrexham Mansfield or Stockport as they already have 73 points or more. We can also probably exclude Barrow, MK and Crewe who should be ok to finish top 7.
We still have the opportunity to take points off Morecambe, Walsall, Barrow, and Gills.
Plus, there’s plenty of games left for them to take points off each other. On Monday for example Harrogate play Gills, Morecambe v Barrow, Newport v Crawley. Wimbledon have got Stockport to hopefully drop 3 points there.
Playoffs still needs a miracle but top half finish should be doable if we continue our form.
There's no better or simpler way than to beat those standing in our way.
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We can’t control other results. We just have to win all our games.
I think that will get us 7th. Just a chance 71 could. But goal difference could be crucial.
A 7-0 win v Wrexham would come in handy. :)
Can’t see Crawley getting more than 72 looking at their fixtures.
But who knows.
Gillingham I think will be the biggest threat. Just my opinion. They don’t concede many goals. ( Don’t score many either )
Going to Harrogate tomorrow to spy on Gillingham.
Need Harrogate to win but home form is dodgy. That’s why I am not too concerned about us finishing above them.
Come on Town. A Club living the dream. Bookies had them bottom 2 at start of season. 2nd best away record in the league. Amazing
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Just gone through all other teams fixtures and done a tot up on all other clubs points they might get.
Seriously it’s looking doubtful any one will get mote than 69 points.
I still think Gillingham my be the biggest threat but with only 5 to play they have to win 3 of them min or they are out of the equation. Or 2 wins and 3 draws.
Wimbledon will quite possibly get 3 wins and a draw from their last 5 games that gives them 69 points.
Crawley have a really tough run in on paper. 7 to play but can’t see them winning more than 3 if that. Again max of 69 points for them although I think they may end up with less.
Walsall if they can bounce back from that 5-0 defeat on Fri are a threat and I could see them getting 69 points.
Newport on paper have the easiest run in and again 69 points is what they could end up on. They could get 71 looking at their fixtures but they are not consistent in recent results.
Morecambe again could be a threat. If we win there then that could be enough to put them out of it.
Harrogate I just don’t see winning enough games. Lots of draws on the cards for them I can see,
So getting really carried away 5 wins and 2 draws gives us 69 points and if we can get 2 x 3-0 wins or equivalent and get our goal difference into a plus by the time we go to Gillingham we could do it with 69 points.
BST suggested 69 might be enough earlier this week I think and I always felt a low number might get 7th this season.
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I suppose an advantage of playing Tuesday is we can see how everyone else gets on tomorrow. If results go our way we could leap up to 12th and still have games in hand.
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We can't drop points. Tuesday is a whole new level of game. They're hardly going to come and sit back as theyre going for the title. This may suit us.
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Just for a bit of fun, here is the maximum number of points available to the teams above us. As we know, the maximum available to Rovers is 73 points.
Bradford - 71
Harrogate - 73
Newport - 73
Wimbledon - 74
Morecambe - 75
Gillingham - 75
Walsall - 77
Crawley - 80
Crewe - 84
MK dons - 85
Barrow - 88
I haven’t included Wrexham Mansfield or Stockport as they already have 73 points or more. We can also probably exclude Barrow, MK and Crewe who should be ok to finish top 7.
We still have the opportunity to take points off Morecambe, Walsall, Barrow, and Gills.
Plus, there’s plenty of games left for them to take points off each other. On Monday for example Harrogate play Gills, Morecambe v Barrow, Newport v Crawley. Wimbledon have got Stockport to hopefully drop 3 points there.
Playoffs still needs a miracle but top half finish should be doable if we continue our form.
A thought.
Realistically, there's very little chance of us making 7th place without beating all three of Walsall, Morecambe and Gillingham.
Factoring that assumption in significantly reduces their possible final points tallies.
Also factor in that Crawley have still to play Mansfield, Wrexham and Newport away and Barrow at home, and it's easy to see them drop a lot of points.
This is what is leading me to think 69-70 points might seal 7th place.
In which case, a draw on Tuesday is not the end of the world.
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This is a fascinating thread with some excellent statistical analysis applied. Having zero expertise in this science myself I can only see it quite simply. If you could fast forward our 2 games in hand over Gillingham and we won them both we would be just 2 points behind with 5 to play.
To me this means if we win our next 2 games we can really start to get all excited.
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There are other sides, most notably Crawley, who are on same games but clearly ahead of us, in their case 7 points.
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There are other sides, most notably Crawley, who are on same games but clearly ahead of us, in their case 7 points.
Their next 3 games all away v Newport, Mansfield & Wrexham.
They also have Barrow H, Colchester H, Sutton A & Grimsby H, last game.
Only game out of that lot that looks like 3 points is last one v Grimsby and they are improving.
Sutton have won last 3 games, Colchester are hard to beat at present, draw specialists under the Cowley’s.
Barrow won’t be easy although not as strong away from home as they are at home.
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There are other sides, most notably Crawley, who are on same games but clearly ahead of us, in their case 7 points.
Looking at matches remaining, I'd suggest Walsall should be favourites for 7th place.
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There are other sides, most notably Crawley, who are on same games but clearly ahead of us, in their case 7 points.
Looking at matches remaining, I'd suggest Walsall should be favourites for 7th place.
If they recover from their mauling at MK Dons then you could be right. Will be interesting to see how they get on tomorrow at home to Salford and away at Tranmere next Saturday before they come to us a week on Tuesday.
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Although form doesn't really count for much at this squeaky bum time of the season, another set of stats to consider is the run in analysis of each teams remaining fixtures
https://www.soccerstats.com/table.asp?league=england4&tid=10
The remaining fixtures show opponents ppg compared to their own, so the more favourable show in green and the more difficult in red.
Points in the bag count for alot so Gillingham are in the box seat but Walsall Newport and Harrogate, plus ourselves of course cant be ruled out.
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Just for a bit of fun, here is the maximum number of points available to the teams above us. As we know, the maximum available to Rovers is 73 points.
Bradford - 71
Harrogate - 73
Newport - 73
Wimbledon - 74
Morecambe - 75
Gillingham - 75
Walsall - 77
Crawley - 80
Crewe - 84
MK dons - 85
Barrow - 88
I haven’t included Wrexham Mansfield or Stockport as they already have 73 points or more. We can also probably exclude Barrow, MK and Crewe who should be ok to finish top 7.
We still have the opportunity to take points off Morecambe, Walsall, Barrow, and Gills.
Plus, there’s plenty of games left for them to take points off each other. On Monday for example Harrogate play Gills, Morecambe v Barrow, Newport v Crawley. Wimbledon have got Stockport to hopefully drop 3 points there.
Playoffs still needs a miracle but top half finish should be doable if we continue our form.
A thought.
Realistically, there's very little chance of us making 7th place without beating all three of Walsall, Morecambe and Gillingham.
Factoring that assumption in significantly reduces their possible final points tallies.
Also factor in that Crawley have still to play Mansfield, Wrexham and Newport away and Barrow at home, and it's easy to see them drop a lot of points.
This is what is leading me to think 69-70 points might seal 7th place.
In which case, a draw on Tuesday is not the end of the world.
I DID ACTUALLY TELL YOU ALL THIS STUFF A WHILE AGO FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH including crawleys hard matches the force "appears to with us " so we have the live the dream
i allowed us one draw and win all the rest a while ago - well we have those so we can afford to draw t'morro then we have 3 out of 4 home games WITH GOAL DIFFERENCE COUNTING DOUBLE
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Today there is:
Newport v Crawley
Harrogate v Gillingham
We need both to be draws
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Today there is:
Newport v Crawley
Harrogate v Gillingham
We need both to be draws
Or, Newport and Harrogate wins would be good to sew further seeds of doubt into Crawley and Gillingham.
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Today there is:
Newport v Crawley
Harrogate v Gillingham
We need both to be draws
Or, Newport and Harrogate wins would be good to sew further seeds of doubt into Crawley and Gillingham.
And Wimbledon to get turned over at Stockport.
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Today there is:
Newport v Crawley
Harrogate v Gillingham
We need both to be draws
Or, Newport and Harrogate wins would be good to sew further seeds of doubt into Crawley and Gillingham.
This. Definitely we want these results.
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Yep, and if Salford fancy beating Walsall for us that’d be great.
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Big day today for the battle for a top half finish. Newport, Bradford and Harrogate all play today. Results will be interesting to watch unfold. Positive results today for rovers and a result against Wrexham tomorrow night could put rovers in 13th.
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Today there is:
Newport v Crawley
Harrogate v Gillingham
We need both to be draws
Or, Newport and Harrogate wins would be good to sew further seeds of doubt into Crawley and Gillingham.
This. Definitely we want these results.
But that would put Newport (superior goal difference) and Harrogate 6 points ahead of us leaving us having to win both games in hand. The more teams we have to overtake the less likely the play off chase becomes.
Harrogate are back in good form but Newport have had a wobble.
Walsall are a very streaky team and are back on a bad run. That languid young striker who thought he was too good for us hasn’t scored in 5 games!
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Nc.
Look at the potential points each side above us can get. If we are going to have even a sniff of making 7th place, we need the 7th highest potential total to be as low as possible. Therefore we definitely want Crawley to lose today. With that result, between them, those two sides have maximum potential final totals of 73 and 77. If it's a draw, the figure are 71 and 78.
On reflection, it doesn't really matter to us whether Harrogate beat or draw with Gillingham. Either way, those two sides would, between them, have a maximum potential final total of 72 & 73 points.
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That's Bradford all but out of the equation then.
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Crawley 0-1 after 52secs.
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Morecambe and Walsall also with early leads bollox
Lakin again for Sutton!
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Crawley 2 up now. Never mind.
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Crawley 0-2 after 26mins, poor goal to concede by Newport, nobody putting a challenge in and allowing the Newport player to get a shot away. Poor from Newport that goal.
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Crawley 0-2 after 26mins, poor goal to concede by Newport, nobody putting a challenge in and allowing the Newport player to get a shot away. Poor from Newport that goal.
Forest Green 3 up!
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Harrogate need an end product.
Only 2 shots in 1st half
Poxy goal for Gills jammy rebound to a brilliant save by Belshaw.
If we cant sign TLT then we should make a bid for Belshaw
Don’t know if he signed at HT or still on loan from Bristol Rovers.
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Harrogate need an end product.
Only 2 shots in 1st half
Poxy goal for Gills jammy rebound to a brilliant save by Belshaw.
If we cant sign TLT then we should make a bid for Belshaw
Don’t know if he signed at HT or still on loan from Bristol Rovers.
Belshaw signed on a permanent in January, Camps. 18 month deal.
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It is very unlikely that we will get that 7th spot but increasingly likely that we can finish top half.
If results turn out the way the current scores are right now, winning our two games in hand over the four teams immediately above us would take us to twelfth.
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Harrogate now 1-1
Get in
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Need a big 2nd half from Newport
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Walsall drawing
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Harrogate winning
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We're too far from Crawley
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3-1 to Harrogate
What a turn round
This is ac massive result if it stays as is
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Crawley have Mansfield and Wrexham to play
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We're too far from Crawley
We are currently 10 points behind with the game tomorrow so goes down to 7 if we win with 6 games to play
Will be fun either way
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Crawley have Mansfield and Wrexham to play
All the teams Crawley are playing are either fighting for promotion or for safety. Won't be easy for them.
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Out of all the teams above us I see Crawley and Walsall as main issues.
As above Crawley have to play Mansfield (whi have now will have had a decent rest) and Wrexham. They also have Colchester Sutton and Grimsby who will.be fighting fir their lives.
Walsall have to play us, so that will be a 6 pointer. But also all of their other fixtures are teams in the same scrap.
Ultimately we need to be getting 6wins from 7, which on current form isn't unfeasible. There are no easy games in there.
7 cup finals.
It's nice to be excited/anxious about results again!
100% this is doable. One game at a time starting tomorrow! Wrexham will be coming here concerned about us aswell. We have been the best team in the league for last 2months so no one should be expecting to beat us.
COYR!!!!!
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We're too far from Crawley
212 miles. ;)
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4-1 Harrogate
Gills are shocking 2nd half
Now 5-1
Collapsed in a big heap of dung
I hate them with a passion
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Total barfight at the bottom now with FGR and Sutton both winning.
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Today there is:
Newport v Crawley
Harrogate v Gillingham
We need both to be draws
Or, Newport and Harrogate wins would be good to sew further seeds of doubt into Crawley and Gillingham.
This. Definitely we want these results.
Walsall are a very streaky team and are back on a bad run. That languid young striker who thought he was too good for us hasn’t scored in 5 games!
FFS
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The relegation battle is getting exciting
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Update after todays games, maximum points available:
1st Stockport
2nd Mansfield
3rd Wrexham
4th Barrow - 85
5th MK dons - 83
6th Crewe - 81
7th Crawley - 80
8th Walsall - 77
9th Morecambe - 75
10th Harrogate - 73
11th Rovers - 73
12th Gillingham - 72
13th Wimbledon - 71
14th Newport - 70
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Well Crawley didn't read the script did they, but maybe Crewe are being dragged back being on the crest of a slump.
Bloody Walsall and you know who sneaking a win.
Bring on tomorrow.
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Update after todays games, maximum points available:
1st Stockport
2nd Mansfield
3rd Wrexham
4th Barrow - 85
5th MK dons - 83
6th Crewe - 81
7th Crawley - 80
8th Walsall - 77
9th Morecambe - 75
10th Harrogate - 73
11th Rovers - 73
12th Gillingham - 72
13th Wimbledon - 71
14th Newport - 70
BUT based on Rovers beating them (which we MUST to be in with a shout) then....
Walsall will be 74
Morecambe will be 72
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I still think a top 10 finish should be the target. Missing play offs is no bad thing.
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Crawley winning today kissed any chance goodbye. Let's concentrate on next season.
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Crawley winning today kissed any chance goodbye. Let's concentrate on next season.
Why has it?
As above Crawley have to play Mansfield (who have now will have had a decent rest) and Wrexham. They also have Colchester Sutton and Grimsby who will all be fighting for their lives.
It's not over.
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I still think a top 10 finish should be the target. Missing play offs is no bad thing.
I know bfyp but we are living the dream while it’s mathematically possible.
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Don’t right off Harrogate Town everyone.
On todays 2nd Half showing they are contenders.
Their away form is brilliant and if they can win at home like they showed today then they are going to be the team that grabs that elusive 7th place. They destroyed Gillingham 2nd half who are team with a very frugal defence.
6th might be up for grabs also as Crewe are having a serious wobble at the wrong time.
It’s going to be very interesting that’s for sure.
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Crawley winning today kissed any chance goodbye. Let's concentrate on next season.
Why has it?
As above Crawley have to play Mansfield (who have now will have had a decent rest) and Wrexham. They also have Colchester Sutton and Grimsby who will all be fighting for their lives.
It's not over.
Barrow too.
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Crawley winning today kissed any chance goodbye. Let's concentrate on next season.
Can’t have!
We win tomorrow and we’re 7 points off them, their next two games are Mansfield and Wrexham away whereas ours are Morecambe and Walsall.
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Crawley winning today kissed any chance goodbye. Let's concentrate on next season.
Can’t have!
We win tomorrow and we’re 7 points off them, their next two games are Mansfield and Wrexham away whereas ours are Morecambe and Walsall.
Morecambe and Walsall have just as much to play for as Stockport and Wrexham, who are actually both looking pretty comfortable for automatic promotion now.
We have a chance of finishing seventh, yes, but it’s still extremely remote that would rely on a history-making set of results as well as failures of several other clubs. Reading some posts on here you’d think it was a fait accompli.
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Can rovers beat Wrexham 6 nil tonight please. The gd would put rovers 12th. And just 5 points off 7th.
And if rovers were to win the three games in hand they have on wimbledon, they would go above them by a point, not counting other teams to play of course.
This could be a bonkers end to a season.
A win tonight will send many, myself included, into even more day dream delusion.
Who would have thought it. Doom and despair at Xmas time, to this.
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Can rovers beat Wrexham 6 nil tonight please. The gd would put rovers 12th. And just 5 points off 7th.
And if rovers were to win the three games in hand they have on wimbledon, they would go above them by a point, not counting other teams to play of course.
This could be a bonkers end to a season.
A win tonight will send many, myself included, into even more day dream delusion.
Who would have thought it. Doom and despair at Xmas time, to this.
13th and 7 points off 7th
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Can rovers beat Wrexham 6 nil tonight please. The gd would put rovers 12th. And just 5 points off 7th.
And if rovers were to win the three games in hand they have on wimbledon, they would go above them by a point, not counting other teams to play of course.
This could be a bonkers end to a season.
A win tonight will send many, myself included, into even more day dream delusion.
Who would have thought it. Doom and despair at Xmas time, to this.
13th and 7 points off 7th
Oops. I hadn’t refreshed my league table from yesterday.
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As long as it remains mathematically possible to finish 7th then we have a chance, albeit slight and much less if we drop points.
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I think we need to treat this as a bit of fun more than anything. The last thing we need now is any anger and disappointment setting in for not making the play offs. Let’s just win as many games as we can, enjoy it and see where it gets us with no pressure. We need the feel good factor around the club.
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The fun has been and is, seeing how long we can go with a mathematical chance of doing it.
Imagine the scenario, if we are 7 points behind with 3 games left (two for the rest)
Our rivals slip up and we're 4 points behind with two to play to their one?? Win the game in hand...and we take it all the way to the final game.
It may be fantasy but much of football is made up of these dreams of glory.
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This is the most exciting end of season for Rovers in many years. Mathematically very difficult but not impossible. It's down to us to win as many as possible, and personally I would not bet against this squad. What other clubs do is impossible to predict as even clubs above us are losing to lower clubs like FGR, but as McCann always says it's all down to winning the next game.
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Whatever happens well done to Grant for turning things around. I was starting to have doubts when we were looking like we’d be dragged in to a relegation scrap. To go from that to the excitement of doing the impossible is a great end to the season whatever happens, and should help put a few more bums on seats (and sell a few more season tickets)
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Crawley winning today kissed any chance goodbye. Let's concentrate on next season.
Can’t have!
We win tomorrow and we’re 7 points off them, their next two games are Mansfield and Wrexham away whereas ours are Morecambe and Walsall.
Morecambe and Walsall have just as much to play for as Stockport and Wrexham, who are actually both looking pretty comfortable for automatic promotion now.
We have a chance of finishing seventh, yes, but it’s still extremely remote that would rely on a history-making set of results as well as failures of several other clubs. Reading some posts on here you’d think it was a fait accompli.
I just said we can’t have kissed any chance goodbye which is pretty much the same point youve made. So you’re disagreeing and agreeing with me in the same post
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I can’t remember his exact words but McCann did admit that maybe he was somewhat naive as to what it took to succeed in league 2 but that he and the group have realised.
I think we will be in the top 3 of the bookies’ favourite to go up next year. If the current top 3 go up that’s 3 with massive budgets out of the division. Hopefully MK win the play offs too then it’s 4.
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I think we need to treat this as a bit of fun more than anything. The last thing we need now is any anger and disappointment setting in for not making the play offs. Let’s just win as many games as we can, enjoy it and see where it gets us with no pressure. We need the feel good factor around the club.
I fully anticipate rovers not to make the playoffs.
I also fully anticipate a top half finish. Which I’ll be made up with. All things considered.
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We blew away Wrexham. We have Barrow also at home. 5 wins in a row. I haven't written off the playoffs.
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I can’t remember his exact words but McCann did admit that maybe he was somewhat naive as to what it took to succeed in league 2 but that he and the group have realised.
I think we will be in the top 3 of the bookies’ favourite to go up next year. If the current top 3 go up that’s 3 with massive budgets out of the division. Hopefully MK win the play offs too then it’s 4.
I agree with all of the above apart from the last sentence. Hopefully we win the play offs.