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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: DonnyOsmond on May 01, 2024, 03:01:19 pm
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Get in!
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Huge news.
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Wow! Absolutely didn't see that coming. Excellent news.
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Just expected us to accept it decision and move on but that's fantastic news
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I thought it was fake news, but it's real. On DFP. Great for those who doubted Jones' ability. Wonderful news.
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Said that would be the case if they appealed!!!! You would’ve thought the cheeky buggers would of let us know they were appealing though
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I thought it was fake news, but it's real. On DFP. Great for those who doubted Jones' ability. Wonderful news.
The argument about whether the ball was going into the net obviously succeeded. Perhaps the ref (who I thought had a good game) accepted he was wrong in retrospect which was big of him. It does surprise me but credit to those who might have influenced the club to appeal.
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Wow, am truly shocked !
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Can we have the penalty now lol.
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Great news, TLT is instrumental to the way we play
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WTF?! Tequila chant confirmed Monday let’s gooo
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Said that would be the case if they appealed!!!! You would’ve thought the cheeky buggers would of let us know they were appealing though
Probably have some fans unhappy that communication between the club and the fans isn’t good enough ;)
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No disrespect to Louie Jones but that’s brilliant news.
As i write that it does feel disrespectful towards him.
The fact is though TLT is a much more pro active goalkeeper.
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Here we go. We now have 3 threads on the TLT not being suspended.
Can we just use one or it’s going to be tiresome.
Is it possible they can all be amalgamated?
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Can you imagine if the sending off had meant we did not get into top 7!!!!!
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Exactly. The major point here is that the ref was now confirmed as an absolute crook. Two huge decisions he got wrong and stole our record, and was just short of taking game from us. Cheat.
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Great news, TLT is instrumental to the way we play
Keeping clean sheets.
Yes that does have a benefit to the team.
Playing out from the back I assume you mean Filo.
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The planets continue to align . I’m confident the draw at Gillingham was to take a little pressure off. It’s fates way.
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Exactly. The major point here is that the ref was now confirmed as an absolute crook. Two huge decisions he got wrong and stole our record, and was just short of taking game from us. Cheat.
I think you have to be careful calling him a cheat or a crook.
What are you saying, bribed or just biased towards Gillingham because he prefers them to us.
Look he made 2/3 very poor decisions agreed, TLT sending off, Maxwell penalty & Craig yellow card was also very harsh. Very poor on the big decisions but was he a deliberate cheat? Or was he just incompetent?
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That errant decision turned the game and could have cost us a place in the playoffs. The denied penalty compounded his failings. We deserve better referees at this level of football, there is no excuse in my opinion.
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Great news, TLT is instrumental to the way we play
Keeping clean sheets.
Yes that does have a benefit to the team.
Playing out from the back I assume you mean Filo.
Correct, I’ve never been as comfortable as I am right now playing from the back
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Exactly. The major point here is that the ref was now confirmed as an absolute crook. Two huge decisions he got wrong and stole our record, and was just short of taking game from us. Cheat.
I think you have to be careful calling him a cheat. What are you saying, bribed or just biased towards Gillingham because he prefers them to us.
Look he made 2/3 poor decisions agreed TLT sending off, Maxwell penalty & Craig yellow card was also very harsh. Very poor on the big decisions but was he a deliberate cheat?
The players accepted the decision at the time - not one raised an objection and credit to them. I agree that it’s unfair to call the ref a cheat.
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Exactly. The major point here is that the ref was now confirmed as an absolute crook. Two huge decisions he got wrong and stole our record, and was just short of taking game from us. Cheat.
I think you have to be careful calling him a cheat. What are you saying, bribed or just biased towards Gillingham because he prefers them to us.
Look he made 2/3 poor decisions agreed TLT sending off, Maxwell penalty & Craig yellow card was also very harsh. Very poor on the big decisions but was he a deliberate cheat?
The players accepted the decision at the time - not one raised an objection and credit to them. I agree that it’s unfair to call the ref a cheat.
Best just put it down to the Gillingham curse.
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Exactly. The major point here is that the ref was now confirmed as an absolute crook. Two huge decisions he got wrong and stole our record, and was just short of taking game from us. Cheat.
I think you have to be careful calling him a cheat. What are you saying, bribed or just biased towards Gillingham because he prefers them to us.
Look he made 2/3 poor decisions agreed TLT sending off, Maxwell penalty & Craig yellow card was also very harsh. Very poor on the big decisions but was he a deliberate cheat?
The players accepted the decision at the time - not one raised an objection and credit to them. I agree that it’s unfair to call the ref a cheat.
Especially if he had any role in it being reversed (presumably downgraded to yellow?) - e.g. saw video and admitted he was wrong.
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Said that would be the case if they appealed!!!! You would’ve thought the cheeky buggers would of let us know they were appealing though
Probably have some fans unhappy that communication between the club and the fans isn’t good enough ;)
Think they was quite right to keep it quite until after the decision,especially with so much riding on the outcome,risk of losing him for more play offs games.I know most thought the club should appeal the red card,but there would been plenty moaning its too risky,if mentioned earlier.
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No disrespect to Louie Jones but that’s brilliant news.
As i write that it does feel disrespectful towards him.
The fact is though TLT is a much more pro active goalkeeper.
:that: Truth is TLT commands his area and claims aerial balls so much better.
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The football league robbed our 11th.
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Exactly. The major point here is that the ref was now confirmed as an absolute crook. Two huge decisions he got wrong and stole our record, and was just short of taking game from us. Cheat.
I think you have to be careful calling him a cheat. What are you saying, bribed or just biased towards Gillingham because he prefers them to us.
Look he made 2/3 poor decisions agreed TLT sending off, Maxwell penalty & Craig yellow card was also very harsh. Very poor on the big decisions but was he a deliberate cheat?
The players accepted the decision at the time - not one raised an objection and credit to them. I agree that it’s unfair to call the ref a cheat.
Best just put it down to the Gillingham curse.
That’s the best post on the subject Avsuptem.
We are simply jinxed at that ground.
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The football league robbed our 11th.
We should just keep singing rovers won 11 in a row really.
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What would have happened if that had cost us our place in the play offs? Assume there would be no grounds to appeal the result, no matter how obvious it affected us after the sending off. Dread to think about it TBH.
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WEMBERLEYYYYY
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I'm astonished and delighted in equal measure. I assume the ref has held his hand up and said he called it wrong.
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What would have happened if that had cost us our place in the play offs? Assume there would be no grounds to appeal the result, no matter how obvious it affected us after the sending off. Dread to think about it TBH.
Nothing. That’s football. Refs can make mistakes and I’ll admit in real time when I saw it I thought it was a red. Obviously when we look at the replay or still’s from different angles it’s easy for us to say the ref got it wrong
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Crewe fans are absolutely rattled by this news by the way.
Lovely to see.
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Exactly. The major point here is that the ref was now confirmed as an absolute crook. Two huge decisions he got wrong and stole our record, and was just short of taking game from us. Cheat.
I completely disagree with this. I thought the ref had a good game generally, just got a couple of decisions wrong which is part and parcel of football.
The sending off looked like a sending off from the away stand and everyone around me at least had accepted it. It was only upon seeing the incident a 2nd time that alot of us realised it was not a DOGSO. That 2nd time viewing is a luxury the ref does not get at this level. Had there been VAR there's an argument to say it would of been downgraded to a Yellow, but lets no go there. VAR stinks.
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There also the possibility that the authorities took the blatant penalty non-decision and evened it out?
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There also the possibility that the authorities took the blatant penalty non-decision and evened it out?
No chance.
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Exactly. The major point here is that the ref was now confirmed as an absolute crook. Two huge decisions he got wrong and stole our record, and was just short of taking game from us. Cheat.
hardly a crook for getting it wrong he had one take on it whether he thought it was a goal scoring opportunity and sum on here thought it was even after seeing replays,as for the penalty not sure why he didn’t give or caution maxwell for diving if he didn’t think it was but then our friend michael Oliver also missed a obvious one in the spurs v Arsenal game on Sunday
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Crewe fans are absolutely rattled by this news by the way.
Lovely to see.
Yes I hope their players have the same mentality. They wouldn't complain if they didn't fear us.
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That errant decision turned the game and could have cost us a place in the playoffs. The denied penalty compounded his failings. We deserve better referees at this level of football, there is no excuse in my opinion.
Do you not think that if better referees were available they would be the ones chosen?
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I am equally surprised and delighted by this. Credit to the ref because he must surely have influenced this decision.
I doubt, though, that they would have reached this decision had it cost us a playoff place. Can you imagine the repercussions of that?
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Massive pick up for our players and the squad, we keep going as we have.
Cant wait for the games now.
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Exactly. The major point here is that the ref was now confirmed as an absolute crook. Two huge decisions he got wrong and stole our record, and was just short of taking game from us. Cheat.
I completely disagree with this. I thought the ref had a good game generally, just got a couple of decisions wrong which is part and parcel of football.
The sending off looked like a sending off from the away stand and everyone around me at least had accepted it. It was only upon seeing the incident a 2nd time that alot of us realised it was not a DOGSO. That 2nd time viewing is a luxury the ref does not get at this level. Had there been VAR there's an argument to say it would of been downgraded to a Yellow, but lets no go there. VAR stinks.
I’ve only seen the highlights but thought the same about the red card. All refs make mistakes, it’s a touch melodramatic to leap to corruption.
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I watched the weekly edition of ‘Ref Watch’ on Sky on Monday lunchtime.
It’s normally just a discussion covering Premier League Referee / VAR decisions but the TLT clip was shown to Dermott Gallagher (ex ref) as well as Sue Smith and Stephen Warnock (pundits) and they unanimously agreed that it was 100% a red card with very little discussion as to whether it was actually DOGSO.
This is the key thing here as a goalkeeper handling outside his area is NOT an automatic red card - it has to be Denial Of a Goal Scoring Opportunity.
The one angle that we are given does look as though the ball may be heading for the net, but if the club has shown proof from a different angle then that may be why the decision was reversed.
A ‘straight on’ view of the incident would have been an ideal view as to whether the ball was going into the net, which would have been precisely the view that the referee had! Fair play to him if he has admitted that the ball was not goal bound and agreed to reverse his decision.
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Never saw this piece (no disrespect to Louis intended) of news coming for a player who has been paramount in our turnaround of results.
Very brave (?) of the club to appeal with the outcome possibly being a further ban of games.
I don’t know if the referee would have been party to the decision because I’ve know idea how the process works i.e., does the “panel’ look at slow motion replays of the incident (one would presume so) do they speak to the other officials on the day including the ref?
Whatever, I am as pleased as I am astounded in equal measures!
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That errant decision turned the game and could have cost us a place in the playoffs. The denied penalty compounded his failings. We deserve better referees at this level of football, there is no excuse in my opinion.
Do you not think that if better referees were available they would be the ones chosen?
I think we have a massive problem in recruiting, training, rewarding and suporting referees at all levels of the game in UK. A consequence of this is that the pool of competent professionals is far too small. This could be why we had an American gentleman in the middle last week.
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Doncaster Rovers Win Appeal is the new Sheffield United Lose Appeal
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Tough one for the ref, in real time it looked like we were in bother at the back.
Only VAR would have shown the reality of 3 defenders ahead of the attacker and the ball headed well wide of the posts- NO I Never want VAR, so we take it on the chin.
Credit for the final outcome as someone has to say ‘I got it wrong’ fair enough.
We could do a Leeds and chant we did actually win 11 on the trot, but we’re not that desperate or sad to be so eager to be noticed, (and by the way, Go Ipswich!)
Good work from the club to challenge it as quite a few on the forum said ‘leave it and take the hit’
Here’s to Monday, TLT now has quite a lot of pressure to do well…. I’m sure he will.
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Have I got this wrong or did the rule used to be that no matter if its a goalscoring opportunity or not, if the keeper handles it outside the box its a red card?
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According to dros the red card was dished out for dogs which is how they appealed as it wasn't dogso Independant panel decided
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This is incredible news. Can’t believe it. Well worth appealing. There were two defenders covering, definite yellow. The guy has been absolutely outstanding in this run. An instrumental part of it. That save near the end against Wrexham stands out. There have been many more.
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Crewe fans are absolutely rattled by this news by the way.
Lovely to see.
As well as Bradford City fans, for some reason!
:thumbsup:
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Have I got this wrong or did the rule used to be that no matter if its a goalscoring opportunity or not, if the keeper handles it outside the box its a red card?
Yes I think that is correct, but that was deemed as unfair on keepers who inadvertently come out of their area by a fraction and handle the ball, even when there is no opponent any where near the play.
The rule now is that it has to be Denial of an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity in line with a similar type of foul which results in a red card.
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Thinking about it I’m surprised more wasn’t made of it at the time. Maybe I just missed it. There were lots of defenders around and it wasn’t going on target so it’s a good appeal
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Holy shitballs this is unbelievable news. A genuine shock!
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I was in the “too risky” camp despite believing the red card was incorrect.
Shame for Jones, but I guess he was fully aware of the appeal.
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Thinking about it I’m surprised more wasn’t made of it at the time. Maybe I just missed it. There were lots of defenders around and it wasn’t going on target so it’s a good appeal
As I said above, I thought if a GK handled the ball outside the area its a straight red so I had no complaints at the time. But, none of our players constested it and McCann glossed over it also which I find weird.
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I was in the “too risky” camp despite believing the red card was incorrect.
Shame for Jones, but I guess he was fully aware of the appeal.
He is probably quite relieved. Can you imagine the abuse he would have got if he made a mistake at Crewe.
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Thinking about it I’m surprised more wasn’t made of it at the time. Maybe I just missed it. There were lots of defenders around and it wasn’t going on target so it’s a good appeal
As I said above, I thought if a GK handled the ball outside the area its a straight red so I had no complaints at the time. But, none of our players constested it and McCann glossed over it also which I find weird.
If you’re not sure as a manager, or you’re being told the club intend to appeal, why would you be anything but ambiguous about the situation in an interview straight after the game?
I think (only think) our players have been ‘told’ not to contest decisions made by the referee in a ‘confrontational/mob handed’ way because at the end of the day, if a ref brandishes a red card (rightly or wrongly at this level) it :-
A) Won’t be overturned.
B) It gets the team a ‘reputation’ for being ‘at’ officials.
Neither of which wins points, literally or metaphorically.
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Here's the quote from the club:
''We can confirm that the red card received by Thimothée Lo-Tutala during the draw at Gillingham on April 27 has been rescinded.
The club submitted an appeal on the grounds of wrongful dismissal against the decision to dismiss Lo-Tutala for denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity by handling the ball outside his area.
An independent disciplinary panel found in favour of the club and overturned the red card, which means the goalkeeper will not serve a suspension.
Lo-Tutala is therefore available for selection in Monday’s Sky Bet League Two play-off semi-final first leg at Crewe Alexandra''
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2024/may/lo-tutala-appeal/
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just f**kin brilliant
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I was in the “too risky” camp despite believing the red card was incorrect.
Shame for Jones, but I guess he was fully aware of the appeal.
He is probably quite relieved. Can you imagine the abuse he would have got if he made a mistake at Crewe.
I doubt it - if he’s relieved to not be playing in a playoff game then he should just pack it in altogether.
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The thing I can't fathom is this.
T T-L handled the ball and got a Red presumably for DOGSO.
(Like others I was assuming it was for simply handling outside the area but apparently Rules have moved on)
But if Ref or anyone behind the goal or opposite goal or indeed the Ref says it was going wide , how do they KNOW for sure ?
It never carried on its way as he knocked it forwards , whereas if it carries on it could have spun , hit a divot or been affected by wind or indeed any outside interference
However I'm glad it was overturned of course and well done those in Club with the conviction to follow it up especially knowing frivolous Appeals can result in lengthier bans
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If the ball was going in the goal, that’s denying a goal. If there’s a chance a Gills player could have got to the ball, that’s denying an obvious goal scoring opportunity. I think the card was rescinded nowt to do with going in the goal or not, but because we had too many defenders likely to get to the ball first.
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Completely agree, wolfie. The handling was a spit second after the ball was headed, I too had doubts as to how anyone could judge with certainty that the ball was going wide.
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The thing I can't fathom is this.
T T-L handled the ball and got a Red presumably for DOGSO.
(Like others I was assuming it was for simply handling outside the area but apparently Rules have moved on)
But if Ref or anyone behind the goal or opposite goal or indeed the Ref says it was going wide , how do they KNOW for sure ?
It never carried on its way as he knocked it forwards , whereas if it carries on it could have spun , hit a divot or been affected by wind or indeed any outside interference
However I'm glad it was overturned of course and well done those in Club with the conviction to follow it up especially knowing frivolous Appeals can result
in lengthier bans
I suppose the same could be said about the Hawkeye system that is used in tennis.
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One thing is, if we get to the final we will be playing under VAR for the first time ever
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The handling was a spit second after the ball was headed, I too had doubts as to how anyone could judge with certainty that the ball was going wide.
It may have helped, on the day, if the referee had been in the same post code as the actual incident. On his arrival at the scene, he couldn’t wait to get the red card out of his pocket (no thinking time at all).
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I doubt the ref even considered if the ball was going into the goal. It would have been more h at TLT prevented Gillingham having an opportunity to put it in an unguarded net.
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To be fair to the ref, in real time, full speed, I completely understand the ref's decision.
TLT, if he realised he was out of his penalty box (and he should of), handled it because he thought he was stopping Gillingham score.
Glad we successfully appealed it, bring on the Crewe.
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So, TLT didn't deny a GSO but created one with a free kick being awarded for handling the ball?
Hmm.
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Well whatever the reasons are for the decision to be rescinded, I am back to 100% convinced we are going up to league one.
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It's certainly got us and others talking:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-red-card-overturned-crewe-32720602
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The fans they quoted clearly don’t know the laws of the game. Mind you, lots of us on here, me included, had to check to see if this was a yellow or red card!!
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So, TLT didn't deny a GSO but created one with a free kick being awarded for handling the ball?
Hmm.
Regardless of whether it was or wasn’t a red card, it was definitely a free kick!
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It's certainly got us and others talking:
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/doncaster-red-card-overturned-crewe-32720602
Well that was a journalistic rollercoaster! Starts with the headline 'most blatant red card ever' and then resolves in the last para saying the ref should have only brandished a yellow. M Night Shyamalan couldn't have managed a bigger twist.
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The risk of all this publicity is that TLT is going to get pelters from their fans all game, and behind the goals both ends is 'home' fans, so we'll need to drum up a bit of encouragement and counterbalance from the side methinks!