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Natalie Elphicke defects to Labour.
Should Starmer have told her that Reform would be.more appropriate?
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I think Starmer sees Labour as appropriate for anyone. Netanyahu even.
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Looking at the promo pics though, what exactly are the national social implications of Labour having taken over British Airways in some 30 odd year time warp?
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Such a weird thing to happen when you read up on her past. She's hardly a leftie is she?
I wonder if the nasty party is back now?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/08/conservative-mp-natalie-elphicke-defects-to-labour-party
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Embarrassing that she's allowed into the party. Even ignoring her shocking politics, her involvement in the attempts to cover up for her sex offender husband should be an instant disqualifier from front line politics of any kind.
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Here she is on Rwanda:
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1788167522690220032/pu/vid/avc1/720x720/D8xV5RaF__lk6A8M.mp4?tag=12
Anti trade union, and thinks Suella was too woke as Home Secretary.
Jesus wept!
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Apparently she's the first labour member of the ERG :laugh:
Starmer is taking a big risk with this, she's the part of the tory party that tory voters are largely turned away from. Yesterday a former tory minister introduced the shadow chancellor and defections willingly accepted. Crazy times.
Boris for next labour leader? How can these defectees align with the views of the labour guys we see on this forum? How do you go from vociferously slating them to being aligned with them? Weird.
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She has moved from one bum cheek of the arse that is current uk politics to the other.
Her motivation will be purely selfish.
Labour peerage perhaps to come ? Or a plumb job somewhere. Time will tell.
#allthesame.
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Sorry, i just don't recognise where this Labour Party version comes from. What next, Dianne Abbott and Jezza flying in for Reform?
Is this what Labour means by "diversity and inclusivity"
What's more cynical, Labour excepting a "right wing Tory or the rat leaving the sinking ship?
Forgot to add, #allinittogether
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Another thing. She won't be standing for re-election as Labour already has a candidate for that seat. So she'd have to find another seat if she wants to continue to be an MP. Has she been offered a plum seat/advisor role, or did she just want to give Rishi the rods on her way out of politics?
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It just gets worse,
3:18PM
Labour declines to say if Farage would be welcome in party
Labour has declined to say whether Nigel Farage would be welcome in the Labour Party, writes Dominic Penna.
Sir Keir Starmer’s official spokesman was asked this afternoon whether the party would open its arms to the former Ukip leader following the defection of Natalie Elphicke, who was widely seen as being on the Right of the Conservative Party.
Sir Keir’s spokesman replied: “Of course we have conversations with all sorts of people who talk to us about wanting to come and support the party in various different ways.
“Those conversations happen every time before we move forward with any decision about anyone.”
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This is a truly crazy thing for Labour to do. Lost marbles
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Crackers, she’s been part of the problem and she’s stepping down at the GE
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It’s an easy way to further humiliate the government. I can understand why they’ve allowed her in on that basis.
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A broad church is the Labour Party cough cough !!!
Embarrassing .
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It’s an easy way to further humiliate the government. I can understand why they’ve allowed her in on that basis.
Humiliate and win at all costs? And there was me led to believe the Labour Party were “well principled”.
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Proper Thatcherite. Weird move.
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He is wanting to bring them in from all over the world, why not one from Dover? Old diamond face back stabber any port in a storm.
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https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1788177635127812565
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Nuff said:
https://twitter.com/CountBinface/status/1788171554104250494
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Hmm typical views on immigration as a large portion of Labour voters….slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan
Cough cough!
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Electoral choices for 2024.
Biden, Trump, Sunak, Starmer.
Wow.
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It is perplexing, but then if labour win the election and she resigns from parliament will it all be forgiven?
I didn't call McCann a snake for leaving as I accept what is fact of life for coaches.
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It is perplexing, but then if labour win the election and she resigns from parliament will it all be forgiven?
I didn't call McCann a snake for leaving as I accept what is fact of life for coaches.
You get the impression that the PR is of greater value to Starmer. Did he need to stoop so low?
Im just wondering if he's also managed to wipe some of that shiny gloss of his manufactured profile.
Will not sit well with genuine Labour folk and give the electorate the impression that he's totally unprincipled. We all know Parliament is full of it but this is just blatant.
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If PR was worth more than a win he wouldn't have allowed her to join, no?
Although I'm still perplexed, it is a gamble even though you do see it in all other aspects of life and politics, as I noted above.
Journalists move across the spectrum, political staffers do the same. However I don't think you'll see Elphicke championing workers rights or backing strikers.
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I have written to Ed Miliband to express my disgust in this action
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There is another side to Elphicke.
Before she became an MP she was involved in setting up a housing association with an ambition of providing one million affordable homes. She has often spoke about the need for more affordable housing to buy and rent. she got her OBE for services to housing. She has even praised Nye Bevan in the house in respect to this subject.
Within Labour her only remitis to advise on housing.
She isn't going to stand as a Labour MP. or get a place in the lords.
Perhaps just wait and see how this one develops?
I guess she will remain an advisor to Labour on housing and return to working in that sector quite soon.
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Some might say she's "seen the light" by joining the Labour party, but maybe she's just joined them to show them it.
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I think she has seen the light on Tory housing failure, that she has been critical of.
From the point of view of housing, her defection makes sense. She goes back to the task of providing affordable homes, whilst having an input on government housing strategy. Within a government whose aim is to build.
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Quitting at the next GE, allegedly, as well as the other defector from the other week. (Poulter?)
Maybe Labour are looking to emphasise Tory problems now, but hoping these individuals will be forgotten when the GE comes around.?
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Crossing the floor does give her the opportunity to weaken a government that she now sees as chaotic and failing.
It also reduces the Tory majority to 38 now.
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I think she has seen the light on Tory housing failure, that she has been critical of.
From the point of view of housing, her defection makes sense. She goes back to the task of providing affordable homes, whilst having an input on government housing strategy. Within a government whose aim is to build.
Maybe she's just dedicated to the cause and knows that her immediate contribution lies within the Labour Party.
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I think this is a case of both Labour and the Tories losing. A puzzling move indeed.
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I think anyone joining the Labour Party with an IQ over 85 is a bonus for the party.
Every little helps.
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You've got zero chance of that fella,being dumb enough to believe Bullshit Boris
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Back she goes!
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She has moved from one bum cheek of the arse that is current uk politics to the other.
Her motivation will be purely selfish.
Labour peerage perhaps to come ? Or a plumb job somewhere. Time will tell.
#allthesame.
too many People Still don't recognise they are the same just ones red and the others blue.
People vote them at their peril both anti EU, globalist, Ukraine and Israel lovers etc. Anti trade union and WEF puppets
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I think she has seen the light on Tory housing failure, that she has been critical of.
From the point of view of housing, her defection makes sense. She goes back to the task of providing affordable homes, whilst having an input on government housing strategy. Within a government whose aim is to build.
Maybe she's just dedicated to the cause and knows that her immediate contribution lies within the Labour Party.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Her cause has always been housing. My guess is that she'd prefer to be involved in housing rather than sitting on the opposition benches
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If her cause had always been housing, or just housing then i imagine certain elements in the labour party would not be wanting her to explain herself and her actions.
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She has moved from one bum cheek of the arse that is current uk politics to the other.
Her motivation will be purely selfish.
Labour peerage perhaps to come ? Or a plumb job somewhere. Time will tell.
#allthesame.
too many People Still don't recognise they are the same just ones red and the others blue.
People vote them at their peril both anti EU, globalist, Ukraine and Israel lovers etc. Anti trade union and WEF puppets
Rtid91
Can I decipher from this that you are pro-EU but somehow anti-globalist?
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https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/1788177635127812565
https://x.com/batariangal/status/1788183088473772385?s=46
This one tickled me
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If her cause had always been housing, or just housing then i imagine certain elements in the labour party would not be wanting her to explain herself and her actions.
Her background is growing up in social housing, so I assume that's why she's passionate about affordable homes.
All the other stuff will make for some interesting conversations, I imagine.
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She has moved from one bum cheek of the arse that is current uk politics to the other.
Her motivation will be purely selfish.
Labour peerage perhaps to come ? Or a plumb job somewhere. Time will tell.
#allthesame.
too many People Still don't recognise they are the same just ones red and the others blue.
People vote them at their peril both anti EU, globalist, Ukraine and Israel lovers etc. Anti trade union and WEF puppets
Rtid91
Can I decipher from this that you are pro-EU but somehow anti-globalist?
Not answering for rtid, just fyi I am anti globalist but pro EU. The pro EU is on balance, with the mega corporate, globalist governmental side of things on the negative side of that balance sheet. The anti globalist is majorly about not being tied to any mega corps interests including the financial side of that, and of course that includes not being tied to US anything. I feel the same re the "dark side" globalist team, BRICS. And any corresponding mafiosa.
Point being, its fairly simple really, from my point of view.
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She has moved from one bum cheek of the arse that is current uk politics to the other.
Her motivation will be purely selfish.
Labour peerage perhaps to come ? Or a plumb job somewhere. Time will tell.
#allthesame.
too many People Still don't recognise they are the same just ones red and the others blue.
People vote them at their peril both anti EU, globalist, Ukraine and Israel lovers etc. Anti trade union and WEF puppets
Rtid91
Can I decipher from this that you are pro-EU but somehow anti-globalist?
I wasn't but clearly it hasn't worked and in terms of globalist yes it appears we have puppets in charge planning to yield control over us
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I think she has seen the light on Tory housing failure, that she has been critical of.
From the point of view of housing, her defection makes sense. She goes back to the task of providing affordable homes, whilst having an input on government housing strategy. Within a government whose aim is to build.
Maybe she's just dedicated to the cause and knows that her immediate contribution lies within the Labour Party.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Her cause has always been housing. My guess is that she'd prefer to be involved in housing rather than sitting on the opposition benches
described the sacking of the workers at P&O after being heckled denouncing the threat of militant unionism.
Shows what Labour stands for.
Many more will be voting against them why do you think theyre now going after greens and independents as they're a genuine threat
https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1788169878991405357#m
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And joined in with the shame on you chant before realising it was aimed at her
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And joined in with the shame on you chant before realising it was aimed at her
what we need is to be governed by people who are interested in improving the outcomes of the public and represent our interests. Not to make a quick buck for themselves.
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I think she has seen the light on Tory housing failure, that she has been critical of.
From the point of view of housing, her defection makes sense. She goes back to the task of providing affordable homes, whilst having an input on government housing strategy. Within a government whose aim is to build.
Maybe she's just dedicated to the cause and knows that her immediate contribution lies within the Labour Party.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Her cause has always been housing. My guess is that she'd prefer to be involved in housing rather than sitting on the opposition benches
described the sacking of the workers at P&O after being heckled denouncing the threat of militant unionism.
Shows what Labour stands for.
Many more will be voting against them why do you think theyre now going after greens and independents as they're a genuine threat
https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1788169878991405357#m
Since she's not standing as an MP or taking a seat in the lords in future, she has no input whatsoever on what Labour stands for. Bar housing perhaps, where she is on the same page as Labour anyway.
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I think she has seen the light on Tory housing failure, that she has been critical of.
From the point of view of housing, her defection makes sense. She goes back to the task of providing affordable homes, whilst having an input on government housing strategy. Within a government whose aim is to build.
Maybe she's just dedicated to the cause and knows that her immediate contribution lies within the Labour Party.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Her cause has always been housing. My guess is that she'd prefer to be involved in housing rather than sitting on the opposition benches
described the sacking of the workers at P&O after being heckled denouncing the threat of militant unionism.
Shows what Labour stands for.
Many more will be voting against them why do you think theyre now going after greens and independents as they're a genuine threat
https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1788169878991405357#m
Since she's not standing as an MP or taking a seat in the lords in future, she has no input whatsoever on what Labour stands for. Bar housing perhaps, where she is on the same page as Labour anyway.
Still associated with labour and a typical tory.
Not a great move in my view.
They think by letting ex tory mp's that it is attracting tory voters.
It certainly won't to much effect and labour voters should cast their vote elsewhere.
We need a stoplabour as well as stop the tories website
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Re the P&O march/demo she was on, I don't know what her particular views were, but it's possible she was supportive to the unions in that instance. That is what she is saying. And so it is possible she was wrongly treated.
I think she's mistaken when saying it was the hard left who were being unkind to her, it seems more likely it was the hard extreme Starmerites.
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They think by letting Tory MPs do what?
This ex Tory MP is only likely to vote along with Labour for a few months on her way out.
Some will feel the symbolism is bad for the Labour brand. I think it's worse for Sunak.
Very few people will be put off voting Labour because of this.
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I agree, the humiliation to Sunak was extreme. I think it was the fatal wound, one which was inflicted on a dying thread anyway after the local elections, but was the final blow.
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Really surprised that some on the left are quite laid back by all this.
Still think this exposes the Starmer left as conniving and as manipulative as any right wing members they have been constantly pointing out.
When this fella has spent his whole leadership period trying to expose the sleaze, underhand dealings and corruption that's been demonstrated on the right he then gives a very good impression of being the exact slimeball he's constantly tried to expose.
These are all small facets of what kind of individual Starmer is that he's letting out of the bag.
The more we learn about him personally and his mode of operation, the more we see that the difference between him and people he's been fighting against and accusing as devious, underhand and untrustworthy is negligible.
He's spent an age trying to make out that he and his party will be making a difference after the GE.
He's just demonstrated to the whole country that he and his Labour party are just exactly the same as the lot who are on the way out.
What kind of a choice does the electorate have with people and parties like this?
It wont surprise me if independents do quite well in many constituencies, followed by "none of the above , their all sh*t.
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Agreed, it's yet another demonstration of where Starmer, or his puppetmasters, are at. I saw his hustings performances, one live. He wasn't my favourite then, but I didn't see him as the antichrist he's become. He was surprisingly weak then, and has gone downhill since, not just weaker, but ever more to the dark side. I fully expect blood red eyes for his election victory speech.
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Agreed, it's yet another demonstration of where Starmer, or his puppetmasters, are at. I saw his hustings performances, one live. He wasn't my favourite then, but I didn't see him as the antichrist he's become. He was surprisingly weak then, and has gone downhill since, not just weaker, but ever more to the dark side. I fully expect blood red eyes for his election victory so each.
Will he execute order 66?
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They think by letting Tory MPs do what?
This ex Tory MP is only likely to vote along with Labour for a few months on her way out.
Some will feel the symbolism is bad for the Labour brand. I think it's worse for Sunak.
Very few people will be put off voting Labour because of this.
Labour did not do great in the recent elections.
If this is reflected its even been said they won't get a majority at the GE
Embarrassing considering how diabolical the Tories have been.
It doesn't surprise me however.
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Really surprised that some on the left are quite laid back by all this.
Still think this exposes the Starmer left as conniving and as manipulative as any right wing members they have been constantly pointing out.
When this fella has spent his whole leadership period trying to expose the sleaze, underhand dealings and corruption that's been demonstrated on the right he then gives a very good impression of being the exact slimeball he's constantly tried to expose.
These are all small facets of what kind of individual Starmer is that he's letting out of the bag.
The more we learn about him personally and his mode of operation, the more we see that the difference between him and people he's been fighting against and accusing as devious, underhand and untrustworthy is negligible.
He's spent an age trying to make out that he and his party will be making a difference after the GE.
He's just demonstrated to the whole country that he and his Labour party are just exactly the same as the lot who are on the way out.
What kind of a choice does the electorate have with people and parties like this?
It wont surprise me if independents do quite well in many constituencies, followed by "none of the above , their all sh*t.
also reneged on the supposed new bill of rights for workers or whatever it is called.
The problem is he lies, lies and lies again and isn't to be trusted.
The reason they want the GE now is because on the major issues he is failing and their popularity is nosediving bit by bit.
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Where's your vote going 91 and how will it effect how the UK is governed?
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Where's your vote going 91 and how will it effect how the UK is governed?
however I vote it won't be enough to keep Labour out.
The best we can hope for is either a hung parliament or a slight Labour majority so they can be held to account in some way.
However I believe people will be disappointed when they get in as not much will change.
Not enough people realise the real issues and not enough people vote for their to be any serious change.
Its easy for Starmer being in opposition but when he is PM and unpopular it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
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They think by letting Tory MPs do what?
This ex Tory MP is only likely to vote along with Labour for a few months on her way out.
Some will feel the symbolism is bad for the Labour brand. I think it's worse for Sunak.
Very few people will be put off voting Labour because of this.
Labour did not do great in the recent elections.
If this is reflected its even been said they won't get a majority at the GE
Embarrassing considering how diabolical the Tories have been.
It doesn't surprise me however.
It won't be reflected.
There is a different dynamic in a GE. The electorate is less likely to vote for smaller parties and independents.
Sunak leaped on the idea that the local election results would be mirrored in a general election. Even then he could only suggest a hung parliament is possible.
The vote won't translate in that manner though.
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Stuff like this is the biggest risk to labour isn't it? They're in a position now where they can only beat themselves just like the Tories have really. It's now the job gets tough for them as they have to move from sniping opposition to real ideas and scrutiny.
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Stuff like this is the biggest risk to labour isn't it? They're in a position now where they can only beat themselves just like the Tories have really. It's now the job gets tough for them as they have to move from sniping opposition to real ideas and scrutiny.
When the government steals labour tax policies you know they are on the correct path.
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Really surprised that some on the left are quite laid back by all this.
Still think this exposes the Starmer left as conniving and as manipulative as any right wing members they have been constantly pointing out.
When this fella has spent his whole leadership period trying to expose the sleaze, underhand dealings and corruption that's been demonstrated on the right he then gives a very good impression of being the exact slimeball he's constantly tried to expose.
These are all small facets of what kind of individual Starmer is that he's letting out of the bag.
The more we learn about him personally and his mode of operation, the more we see that the difference between him and people he's been fighting against and accusing as devious, underhand and untrustworthy is negligible.
He's spent an age trying to make out that he and his party will be making a difference after the GE.
He's just demonstrated to the whole country that he and his Labour party are just exactly the same as the lot who are on the way out.
What kind of a choice does the electorate have with people and parties like this?
It wont surprise me if independents do quite well in many constituencies, followed by "none of the above , their all sh*t.
Not really sure why you needed that. You'd made your mind up on this years ago.
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Neutral!
Ha,ha. :whistle:
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Agreed, it's yet another demonstration of where Starmer, or his puppetmasters, are at. I saw his hustings performances, one live. He wasn't my favourite then, but I didn't see him as the antichrist he's become. He was surprisingly weak then, and has gone downhill since, not just weaker, but ever more to the dark side. I fully expect blood red eyes for his election victory so each.
Will he execute order 66?
He's already done that.
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The Mail is fascinating int it?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNVKlaBbYAAPXAL?format=jpg&name=large
Every single day for the 4 years, since this happened, they've shown f**k all interest in it.
I wonder why they are clutching their pearls and screaming how shocked (SHOCKED, ah tell thi) they are now?
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And Buckland sat on it for 4 years if true
Love how Dodgy Dave says doesn't know anything about it but it's not their problem now it's Labours
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And Buckland sat on it for 4 years if true
Love how Dodgy Dave says doesn't know anything about it but it's not their problem now it's Labours
It's Buckland who has said it happened. So the Lord Chancellor was a direct witness to a crime - an attempt to pervert the course of justice - but kept quite about it because it the criminal was a Tory MP.
People have resigned for a lot less than that - and what else has he covered up?
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Same in the times
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And Buckland sat on it for 4 years if true
Love how Dodgy Dave says doesn't know anything about it but it's not their problem now it's Labours
It's Buckland who has said it happened. So the Lord Chancellor was a direct witness to a crime - an attempt to pervert the course of justice - but kept quite about it because it the criminal was a Tory MP.
People have resigned for a lot less than that - and what else has he covered up?
I have a sneaking suspicion he will have chosen his words wisely!
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No change to recent polls. Labour still with a +20 lead.
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And Buckland sat on it for 4 years if true
Love how Dodgy Dave says doesn't know anything about it but it's not their problem now it's Labours
It's Buckland who has said it happened. So the Lord Chancellor was a direct witness to a crime - an attempt to pervert the course of justice - but kept quite about it because it the criminal was a Tory MP.
People have resigned for a lot less than that - and what else has he covered up?
Apparently the Tory Whips are threatening other potential defectors with the line: you've seen the shit we've thrown at Elphicke - do you want the same?
Which appears to mean "You've seen that we'll protect law breakers while they stay in the Family."
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And Buckland sat on it for 4 years if true
Love how Dodgy Dave says doesn't know anything about it but it's not their problem now it's Labours
It's Buckland who has said it happened. So the Lord Chancellor was a direct witness to a crime - an attempt to pervert the course of justice - but kept quite about it because it the criminal was a Tory MP.
People have resigned for a lot less than that - and what else has he covered up?
Apparently the Tory Whips are threatening other potential defectors with the line: you've seen the shit we've thrown at Elphicke - do you want the same?
Which appears to mean "You've seen that we'll protect law breakers while they stay in the Family."
Have you any evidence of that BST.
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Wonder which 1, presumably of the half dozen who voted against the Govt yesterday will do the walk tomorrow, Mrs May was one of them......... she wouldn't , would she?
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Wonder which 1, presumably of the half dozen who voted against the Govt yesterday will do the walk tomorrow, Mrs May was one of them......... she wouldn't , would she?
That would be a sad day for the Labour Party!
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Even worse for Rich-ie