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Title: That Ref
Post by: Filo on May 10, 2024, 11:47:23 pm
Awful refereeing, and I’ve not seen the second goal back, but I’m sure there was an offside in there
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Fal on May 10, 2024, 11:49:33 pm
Worst ref than Ed Duckworth. Gave us nothing all night
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: ChrisBx on May 10, 2024, 11:50:37 pm
Dreadful referee, but we should have been better. Hopefully he's reffing in the National League next season.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Thorney on May 10, 2024, 11:51:01 pm
Loved the kick on molyneuxs head in the box that was flattly waved play on
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: DRFC-Hanksie on May 10, 2024, 11:51:42 pm
Genuinely the worst referee I've ever seen at the Rovers. No decisions our way, no b*llocks, Crewe were hands on shirts all night.

And that huddle on the pitch, f**k me.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: colincramb on May 10, 2024, 11:53:28 pm
Come on lads, can’t blame the ref. We just weren’t good enough tonight. And that’s the long and the short of it. Look forward to next season, that’s all I’ve got
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: jmt23 on May 10, 2024, 11:55:09 pm
looking back on the sky replay, it looks like someone at right back on the opposite side plays him on for the second. Day dreaming has cost us there, he became aware he was the last man just too late.
Some strange decisions and allowed them to do what they wanted, but we just weren't good enough.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: TonySoprano on May 10, 2024, 11:55:24 pm
He was awful, but so were we.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Chris Black come back on May 10, 2024, 11:57:27 pm
Cheated, yet again. Sigh.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: MachoMadness on May 11, 2024, 12:01:27 am
2 clear penalties not given, arguably a third as well. Clear red card not given for the off the ball incident. Even in the shootout he was dicking about before Ironside's penalty. I'm not one for coming on and slagging the refs after a defeat but we've been absolutely robbed there.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Chris Black come back on May 11, 2024, 12:03:53 am
Hurst definitely wasn’t a penalty but clear as day a foul and booking. Nothing given.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: bobbymax on May 11, 2024, 12:09:30 am
Loved the kick on molyneuxs head in the box that was flattly waved play on
That was a shocker! A game like that and the EFL appoint an absolute muppet!
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 11, 2024, 12:19:53 am
We made a rod for our backs letting in two early goals, and fair play to Crewe. No sour grapes as we were masters of our own downfall ultimately But yeah, Scott Oldham was absolutely terrible. At least one penalty and a stonewall red for Nevitt grabbing Craig around the neck and throwing him to the ground off the ball. Ref didn't see it and the fourth official told him, but it's a straight red. Absolutely no question. That changes the game significantly of course. After the great ref at Crewe, the bottom of the barrel tonight. Just ruins the f**king game.

Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: LondonRover1 on May 11, 2024, 12:22:14 am
People blaming the ref missing the point. We weren't at the races tonight. Let's win the league next season
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: turnbull for england on May 11, 2024, 12:30:18 am
Not excusing the first goal, but if the clear  push in the back is given , the goal doesn't happen. Couple of handballs not given either. End of day we got through the first 20 mins in Monday tonight we didn't and were spectacularly outshithoused  by a team with a plan from subs warming up to having a huddle in wrong end when 2nd half should have started
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: roversdude on May 11, 2024, 12:32:16 am
Don’t forget their goalie throwing Tim’s bottle away
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Cramby10 on May 11, 2024, 12:44:32 am
Loved the kick on molyneuxs head in the box that was flattly waved play on
correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure Rowey got sent off this season for something like that?? It was full on Bruce Lee!!
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Dagenham Rover on May 11, 2024, 12:47:16 am
Don’t forget their goalie throwing Tim’s bottle away

That wasn't gamesmanship  it was bang out of order
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 11, 2024, 12:51:58 am
He booked him for that I think.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: HomerJSimpson on May 11, 2024, 12:53:49 am
Watching game on tv is different to watching it at ground. There were no stonewall pens, ref allowed it to be a physical game, some free kicks were missed by ref but overall he controlled it ok. Clutching at straws if blaming ref. Donny never got going and even when we did play alright it was in patches. Didn’t deserve to go through really. Shame but true.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: HomerJSimpson on May 11, 2024, 12:54:17 am
Awful refereeing, and I’ve not seen the second goal back, but I’m sure there was an offside in there
A yard or two on side.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 11, 2024, 12:54:55 am
Loved the kick on molyneuxs head in the box that was flattly waved play on
correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure Rowey got sent off this season for something like that?? It was full on Bruce Lee!!

It’s a high boot that catches Moly - outside the box it’s a free kick. And it should have been a penalty in the box. A foul is a foul regardless of where it happens.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Thorney on May 11, 2024, 12:56:54 am
Loved the kick on molyneuxs head in the box that was flattly waved play on
correct me if I’m wrong but I’m sure Rowey got sent off this season for something like that?? It was full on Bruce Lee!!

It’s a high boot that catches Moly - outside the box it’s a free kick. And it should have been a penalty in the box. A foul is a foul regardless of where it happens.

Would like to see a good replay of it
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 11, 2024, 01:04:58 am
Watching game on tv is different to watching it at ground. There were no stonewall pens, ref allowed it to be a physical game, some free kicks were missed by ref but overall he controlled it ok. Clutching at straws if blaming ref. Donny never got going and even when we did play alright it was in patches. Didn’t deserve to go through really. Shame but true.


Disagree. What about the off the ball assault on Craig? Clear red card all day. Bottled it.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: drfcsteve on May 11, 2024, 05:01:36 am
What annoyed me was Crewe’s “gamesmanship” or cheating in another word, and the fact that the ref fell for it every single time. It was obvious to everyone watching what they were up to but not obvious to the one man that mattered.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: redbrez on May 11, 2024, 05:28:47 am
Watching game on tv is different to watching it at ground. There were no stonewall pens, ref allowed it to be a physical game, some free kicks were missed by ref but overall he controlled it ok. Clutching at straws if blaming ref. Donny never got going and even when we did play alright it was in patches. Didn’t deserve to go through really. Shame but true.

Watch the extended highlights, it shows the Hurst penalty appeal, shows it a few times on the highlights I watched ,deffinite penalty.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 11, 2024, 06:27:20 am
Cobbled together a few examples of Mr. Oldham’s greatest hits. First the off the ball incident where Craig was grabbed round the neck and thrown to the ground by Nevitt. Second was Rovers being penalised for a high foot on Nevitt, which was nowhere near as bad as the one on Mols in their box. Third, Hurst’s penalty shout which watching again is clearly a penalty. And then an example of the shirt pulling, this on Haks right in front of the ref. Could go on… but we all know what happened.

https://youtu.be/174-d19UGQU?si=D9e_pPDXUbABIyM3
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on May 11, 2024, 07:21:51 am
Not a red with the Craig incident for me.

Hurst however, is definitely a foul.

Yes, we needed a spark, as it wasn't coming from anywhere else.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: The Beast on May 11, 2024, 07:26:22 am
Goalkeeper getting cramp so they can all get a drink and stop our momentum, absolutely pathetic, needs legislating out of the game.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: drfchound on May 11, 2024, 07:42:40 am
Cobbled together a few examples of Mr. Oldham’s greatest hits. First the off the ball incident where Craig was grabbed round the neck and thrown to the ground by Nevitt. Second was Rovers being penalised for a high foot on Nevitt, which was nowhere near as bad as the one on Mols in their box. Third, Hurst’s penalty shout which watching again is clearly a penalty. And then an example of the shirt pulling, this on Haks right in front of the ref. Could go on… but we all know what happened.

https://youtu.be/174-d19UGQU?si=D9e_pPDXUbABIyM3

I thought it was a pen at the time but seeing that replay, the Crewe 17 clearly trips Hursty.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 11, 2024, 07:45:10 am
Goalkeeper getting cramp so they can all get a drink and stop our momentum, absolutely pathetic, needs legislating out of the game.


They were pulling stunts like that all game.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 11, 2024, 07:51:13 am
Not a red with the Craig incident for me.

Hurst however, is definitely a foul.

Yes, we needed a spark, as it wasn't coming from anywhere else.


How is it not a red? He raises his hand to an opponent, puts his hand around his head and yanks him to the ground. It’s a red card. How is it not?
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: drfchound on May 11, 2024, 07:53:25 am
Not a red with the Craig incident for me.

Hurst however, is definitely a foul.

Yes, we needed a spark, as it wasn't coming from anywhere else.


How is it not a red? He raises his hand to an opponent, puts his hand around his head and yanks him to the ground. It’s a red card. How is it not?

…..and the ball wasn’t even in play at the time.
Red card all day.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on May 11, 2024, 07:58:06 am
Not a red with the Craig incident for me.

Hurst however, is definitely a foul.

Yes, we needed a spark, as it wasn't coming from anywhere else.


How is it not a red? He raises his hand to an opponent, puts his hand around his head and yanks him to the ground. It’s a red card. How is it not?

He pulls Craig with his shirt. It was petulant. Yellow card.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Donnywolf on May 11, 2024, 07:58:22 am
Goalkeeper getting cramp so they can all get a drink and stop our momentum, absolutely pathetic, needs legislating out of the game.


They were pulling stunts like that all game.

Right from first minute , and as many will expect me to say get a Fixed Clock , 30 minutes each half , stop it whenever ball goes dead , restart when it is back in

It will save 90% of the pathetic time wasting that plagues yes PLAGUES the game

It wouldn't stop everything like Goalkeeper getting cramp to nullify the pressure his Team was under but the majority of ills would be gone forever

It would take away the undoubted responsibilty of time keeping away from the Ref and let them concentrate on their main job and by god that dopey Dumbo last night would have benefitted from that although his room for improvement is at least 100%
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 11, 2024, 08:01:33 am
Not a red with the Craig incident for me.

Hurst however, is definitely a foul.

Yes, we needed a spark, as it wasn't coming from anywhere else.


How is it not a red? He raises his hand to an opponent, puts his hand around his head and yanks him to the ground. It’s a red card. How is it not?

He pulls Craig with his shirt. It was petulant. Yellow card.

We’ll agree to disagree. Straight red for me.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: roversdude on May 11, 2024, 08:29:41 am
Don’t see how he can give a yellow, it’s either a bit of a talking to or if he believed there was intent (which he obviously did as he booked him) or a red
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: DRFCSouth on May 11, 2024, 08:35:06 am
I was sat down near the touchline and it seemed he was letting anything slide. Shirt pulling before the player received the pass. Their players grabbing fist fulls of shirt.

And the time wasting seemed to be going on, especially from their keeper from the off. He should have been carded in normal time.

The Hurst foul is bizarre how he hasn't given it. The Moly high boot to the head would be given anywhere else on the pitch.

I can only assume he wants to make a name for himself.

All that said, you have to find another way to win, and we didn't.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 11, 2024, 08:37:14 am
One of those two penalties gives us a high probability of going through.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: CJK on May 11, 2024, 08:43:44 am
I'll caveat my following comments in that we didn't play well last night but that certainly wasn't helped by the incompetent referee. I can only echo most of the above. How Ironside's shirt was still on his back at the end of the game after all the pulling it got, I really don't know. They reminded me of Lincoln under the Cowleys. Absolutely awful to watch and you're hoping the ref has some awareness, unfortunately not. The performance by the ref should be subject to review.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Michael Shaw on May 11, 2024, 08:47:20 am
We had the quality, belief and momentum to win that game and the final. But just fizzled out on the night. Don't just blame the ref.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: turnbull for england on May 11, 2024, 08:52:13 am
I'll caveat my following comments in that we didn't play well last night but that certainly wasn't helped by the incompetent referee. I can only echo most of the above. How Ironside's shirt was still on his back at the end of the game after all the pulling it got, I really don't know. They reminded me of Lincoln under the Cowleys. Absolutely awful to watch and you're hoping the ref has some awareness, unfortunately not. The performance by the ref should be subject to review.







Yhey were at it from subs on touchline, to the manager. Fair play though they had a plan, got the two early goals and played for pens from an hour in  and we couldn't find a way round it. Grants laid out the plan for next year , we will be there
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 11, 2024, 09:08:07 am
I'll caveat my following comments in that we didn't play well last night but that certainly wasn't helped by the incompetent referee. I can only echo most of the above. How Ironside's shirt was still on his back at the end of the game after all the pulling it got, I really don't know. They reminded me of Lincoln under the Cowleys. Absolutely awful to watch and you're hoping the ref has some awareness, unfortunately not. The performance by the ref should be subject to review.







Yhey were at it from subs on touchline, to the manager. Fair play though they had a plan, got the two early goals and played for pens from an hour in  and we couldn't find a way round it. Grants laid out the plan for next year , we will be there


Unfair play but yeah… they were allowed to do what they wanted by Mr. Hold’em
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: streathamdave on May 11, 2024, 09:53:55 am
Come on lads, can’t blame the ref. We just weren’t good enough tonight. And that’s the long and the short of it. Look forward to next season, that’s all I’ve got
we should have had 2 or 3 pens. Can absoloutely blame the ref.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Jonathan on May 11, 2024, 09:54:58 am
Ref was frustrating at times but we lost the game over 120 minutes and penalties. No excuses.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: GazLaz on May 11, 2024, 10:24:09 am
Watching game on tv is different to watching it at ground. There were no stonewall pens, ref allowed it to be a physical game, some free kicks were missed by ref but overall he controlled it ok. Clutching at straws if blaming ref. Donny never got going and even when we did play alright it was in patches. Didn’t deserve to go through really. Shame but true.

Kind of agree with this. He set his stall out not to give much from minute one and he was fairly consistent with it for both sides.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Donnywolf on May 11, 2024, 11:26:17 am
I'll caveat my following comments in that we didn't play well last night but that certainly wasn't helped by the incompetent referee. I can only echo most of the above. How Ironside's shirt was still on his back at the end of the game after all the pulling it got, I really don't know. They reminded me of Lincoln under the Cowleys. Absolutely awful to watch and you're hoping the ref has some awareness, unfortunately not. The performance by the ref should be subject to review.

Well there will be an Assessment which will remain private where the Assessor may criticise the hell out of him

Oldham may look back if confronted with the evidence Molys kick to the head to start with and apologise .

And that would be of no consequence now. He was wrong throughout the game and made Ed the Duck look a world class Ref
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: PDX_Rover on May 12, 2024, 10:13:24 pm
Sunday… He’s still an absolute tw@t.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: roversdude on May 13, 2024, 06:37:01 am
Monday no change
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: DRFCSouth on May 13, 2024, 09:17:06 pm
Never realised he was from Lancashire as well... :blink:
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: roversdude on May 13, 2024, 09:23:01 pm
Must be Scott from Oldham the kitson
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Donnybob on May 13, 2024, 10:27:02 pm
Rovers lost a wrestling match. As far as football goes it was like being transported back to the 1970s all over again. I thought such physicality had been eradicated from the game.
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Not Now Kato on May 14, 2024, 07:47:52 pm
I was sat down near the touchline and it seemed he was letting anything slide. Shirt pulling before the player received the pass. Their players grabbing fist fulls of shirt.

And the time wasting seemed to be going on, especially from their keeper from the off. He should have been carded in normal time.

The Hurst foul is bizarre how he hasn't given it. The Moly high boot to the head would be given anywhere else on the pitch.

I can only assume he wants to make a name for himself.

All that said, you have to find another way to win, and we didn't.

He did, and it begins with C
Title: Re: That Ref
Post by: Dutch Uncle on May 14, 2024, 08:07:43 pm
Trevor Cettle? :lol: