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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: drfcsteve on May 11, 2024, 05:48:48 pm
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Apologies if I’ve missed this previously, but how have we reduced the capacity of the stadium so much?
We started off at 15,000 and last night was a sell out but less than 13,000 in attendance.
Not that we need the extra seats, but where have they gone? I’ve heard people say about some being removed for the big screen but surely not 2,000 seats?
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The South West corner in front of the screen was empty and much of the North West corner too.
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The South West corner in front of the screen was empty and much of the North West corner too.
Why was it “sold out” then if there were seats available? People buying tickets and not turning up?
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We've lost probably too many for the big screen, we've lost 500 due to unreserved in the black bank, which is a bit overzealous, and the segregation too was a bit overzealous aswell.
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Apologies if I’ve missed this previously, but how have we reduced the capacity of the stadium so much?
We started off at 15,000 and last night was a sell out but less than 13,000 in attendance.
Not that we need the extra seats, but where have they gone? I’ve heard people say about some being removed for the big screen but surely not 2,000 seats?
I'm glad I'm not the one to start this off. But I'll add my two pennarth.
The bottom ten or so rows of W32 block have had the seat backs removed to replace damaged ones around the ground, these have yet to be replaced. What I couldn't understand was why the back 12 or so rows weren't sold. Answer for the safety officer??
There are then another two smaller block W33 and W34 that were probably the buffer zone for segregation, even though that could have been altered for the empty corner sections that crewe didn't sell.
The netting under the screen wasn't removed, again more seats that could have been sold and weren't, again one for the safety officer to answer.
And lastly, the segregation between the fans in the middle of north stand was in my opinion way over the top. Manchester United and city and countless others use lines of stewards and thinner netting sections. The club opted to block off over 2/3rd of a block when it could and should have been less. Again for the safety officer to answer.
To round off, we should have had the opportunity to sell 700-800 more seats easily but something or some individuals don't want to change the norm. I do not know why?? Quite disappointing to be honest and lots of fans in the south stand said the same.
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Apologies if I’ve missed this previously, but how have we reduced the capacity of the stadium so much?
We started off at 15,000 and last night was a sell out but less than 13,000 in attendance.
Not that we need the extra seats, but where have they gone? I’ve heard people say about some being removed for the big screen but surely not 2,000 seats?
I'm glad I'm not the one to start this off. But I'll add my two penath.
The bottom ten or so rows of W32 block have had the seat backs removed to replace damaged ones around the ground, these have yet to be replaced. What I couldn't understand was why the back 12 or so rows weren't sold. Answer for the safety officer??
There are then another two smaller block W33 and W34 that were probably the buffer zone for segregation, even though that could have been altered for the empty corner sections that crewe didn't sell.
The netting under the screen wasn't removed, again more seats that could have been sold and weren't, again one for the safety officer to answer.
And lastly, the segregation between the fans in the middle of north stand was in my opinion way over the top. Manchester United and city and countless others use lines of stewards and thinner netting sections. The club opted to block off over 2/3rd of a block when it could and should have been less. Again for the safety officer to answer.
To round off, we should have had the opportunity to sell 700-800 more seats easily but something or some individuals don't want to change the norm. I do not know why?? Quite disappointing to be honest and lots of fans in the south stand said the same.
Imagine what ever that Mexican advertising is the reason why.
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Apologies if I’ve missed this previously, but how have we reduced the capacity of the stadium so much?
We started off at 15,000 and last night was a sell out but less than 13,000 in attendance.
Not that we need the extra seats, but where have they gone? I’ve heard people say about some being removed for the big screen but surely not 2,000 seats?
I'm glad I'm not the one to start this off. But I'll add my two penath.
The bottom ten or so rows of W32 block have had the seat backs removed to replace damaged ones around the ground, these have yet to be replaced. What I couldn't understand was why the back 12 or so rows weren't sold. Answer for the safety officer??
There are then another two smaller block W33 and W34 that were probably the buffer zone for segregation, even though that could have been altered for the empty corner sections that crewe didn't sell.
The netting under the screen wasn't removed, again more seats that could have been sold and weren't, again one for the safety officer to answer.
And lastly, the segregation between the fans in the middle of north stand was in my opinion way over the top. Manchester United and city and countless others use lines of stewards and thinner netting sections. The club opted to block off over 2/3rd of a block when it could and should have been less. Again for the safety officer to answer.
To round off, we should have had the opportunity to sell 700-800 more seats easily but something or some individuals don't want to change the norm. I do not know why?? Quite disappointing to be honest and lots of fans in the south stand said the same.
Imagine what ever that Mexican advertising is the reason why.
Sorry??
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Seats removed to accommodate Big Screen and seats in front not used so screen isn't obscured (or damaged) @ 250
South Stand reduced capacity to accommodate unreserved seating by approx 250.
Crewe were in an area of the ground that can accommodate @2000 and they were short of selling their allocation so approx 700 to 800 short in that section. (Some used for segregation) The concourse is divided so we can't use their unsold seats.
A section of West stand, (North end) rarely used has had some seat parts used to repair others around the stadium. @250 not used.
Then from what I heard the first row or two of the East Stand became 'restricted views' due to the height of the illuminated advertising boards so fans were given the choice to relocate their seats (not sure how many)
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I said last week that the stadium capacity was now nowhere near 15000, and was poo-pooed by some, one poster even telling me I was scaremongering.
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Apologies if I’ve missed this previously, but how have we reduced the capacity of the stadium so much?
We started off at 15,000 and last night was a sell out but less than 13,000 in attendance.
Not that we need the extra seats, but where have they gone? I’ve heard people say about some being removed for the big screen but surely not 2,000 seats?
I'm glad I'm not the one to start this off. But I'll add my two penath.
The bottom ten or so rows of W32 block have had the seat backs removed to replace damaged ones around the ground, these have yet to be replaced. What I couldn't understand was why the back 12 or so rows weren't sold. Answer for the safety officer??
There are then another two smaller block W33 and W34 that were probably the buffer zone for segregation, even though that could have been altered for the empty corner sections that crewe didn't sell.
The netting under the screen wasn't removed, again more seats that could have been sold and weren't, again one for the safety officer to answer.
And lastly, the segregation between the fans in the middle of north stand was in my opinion way over the top. Manchester United and city and countless others use lines of stewards and thinner netting sections. The club opted to block off over 2/3rd of a block when it could and should have been less. Again for the safety officer to answer.
To round off, we should have had the opportunity to sell 700-800 more seats easily but something or some individuals don't want to change the norm. I do not know why?? Quite disappointing to be honest and lots of fans in the south stand said the same.
Imagine what ever that Mexican advertising is the reason why.
Always a mystery to me how that ended up there. Not hugely effective either because probably now three season staring at that I’ve still not bothered to get on the internet to see what they are all about.
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Seats removed to accommodate Big Screen and seats in front not used so screen isn't obscured (or damaged) @ 250
South Stand reduced capacity to accommodate unreserved seating by approx 250.
Crewe were in an area of the ground that can accommodate @2000 and they were short of selling their allocation so approx 700 to 800 short in that section. (Some used for segregation) The concourse is divided so we can't use their unsold seats.
A section of West stand, (North end) rarely used has had some seat parts used to repair others around the stadium. @250 not used.
Then from what I heard the first row or two of the East Stand became 'restricted views' due to the height of the illuminated advertising boards so fans were given the choice to relocate their seats (not sure how many)
Do you believe the netting between the fans was two wide?
For me the club should have explored a thinner section with more stewards. This could have given 200 more seats to home fans?
I disagree with the netting Infront of the screen somewhat. The back two rows of that corner section could have been netted off leaving approximately 5 to 6 rows that are directly behind the south west corner access tunnel available for sale.
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Apologies if I’ve missed this previously, but how have we reduced the capacity of the stadium so much?
We started off at 15,000 and last night was a sell out but less than 13,000 in attendance.
Not that we need the extra seats, but where have they gone? I’ve heard people say about some being removed for the big screen but surely not 2,000 seats?
I'm glad I'm not the one to start this off. But I'll add my two pennarth.
The bottom ten or so rows of W32 block have had the seat backs removed to replace damaged ones around the ground, these have yet to be replaced. What I couldn't understand was why the back 12 or so rows weren't sold. Answer for the safety officer??
There are then another two smaller block W33 and W34 that were probably the buffer zone for segregation, even though that could have been altered for the empty corner sections that crewe didn't sell.
The netting under the screen wasn't removed, again more seats that could have been sold and weren't, again one for the safety officer to answer.
And lastly, the segregation between the fans in the middle of north stand was in my opinion way over the top. Manchester United and city and countless others use lines of stewards and thinner netting sections. The club opted to block off over 2/3rd of a block when it could and should have been less. Again for the safety officer to answer.
To round off, we should have had the opportunity to sell 700-800 more seats easily but something or some individuals don't want to change the norm. I do not know why?? Quite disappointing to be honest and lots of fans in the south stand said the same.
Can't agree with you re segregation being too over the top.
https://youtu.be/QDx5bV-8ILk?si=CBbvScay57K50Zg1
Adequate and sensible would be my choice.
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I said last week that the stadium capacity was now nowhere near 15000, and was poo-pooed by some, one poster even telling me I was scaremongering.
It's disappointing. We started off with a stadium that had a capacity of 15000. It's probably no more than 13500.
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Apologies if I’ve missed this previously, but how have we reduced the capacity of the stadium so much?
We started off at 15,000 and last night was a sell out but less than 13,000 in attendance.
Not that we need the extra seats, but where have they gone? I’ve heard people say about some being removed for the big screen but surely not 2,000 seats?
I'm glad I'm not the one to start this off. But I'll add my two pennarth.
The bottom ten or so rows of W32 block have had the seat backs removed to replace damaged ones around the ground, these have yet to be replaced. What I couldn't understand was why the back 12 or so rows weren't sold. Answer for the safety officer??
There are then another two smaller block W33 and W34 that were probably the buffer zone for segregation, even though that could have been altered for the empty corner sections that crewe didn't sell.
The netting under the screen wasn't removed, again more seats that could have been sold and weren't, again one for the safety officer to answer.
And lastly, the segregation between the fans in the middle of north stand was in my opinion way over the top. Manchester United and city and countless others use lines of stewards and thinner netting sections. The club opted to block off over 2/3rd of a block when it could and should have been less. Again for the safety officer to answer.
To round off, we should have had the opportunity to sell 700-800 more seats easily but something or some individuals don't want to change the norm. I do not know why?? Quite disappointing to be honest and lots of fans in the south stand said the same.
Can't agree with you re segregation being too over the top.
https://youtu.be/QDx5bV-8ILk?si=CBbvScay57K50Zg1
Adequate and sensible would be my choice.
So do you believe clubs that have a thinner segregation are less safe?
Whats your opinion on why the last 12 rows W33 not being sold? This is the block where the front 10 or so rows have been stripped for parts. To me these should have been sold, but we're not.
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Thinking about it the South and West did probably need separating with the South being unreserved. Probably easier to do that then people thinking reserved ones were available.
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Apologies if I’ve missed this previously, but how have we reduced the capacity of the stadium so much?
We started off at 15,000 and last night was a sell out but less than 13,000 in attendance.
Not that we need the extra seats, but where have they gone? I’ve heard people say about some being removed for the big screen but surely not 2,000 seats?
I'm glad I'm not the one to start this off. But I'll add my two pennarth.
The bottom ten or so rows of W32 block have had the seat backs removed to replace damaged ones around the ground, these have yet to be replaced. What I couldn't understand was why the back 12 or so rows weren't sold. Answer for the safety officer??
There are then another two smaller block W33 and W34 that were probably the buffer zone for segregation, even though that could have been altered for the empty corner sections that crewe didn't sell.
The netting under the screen wasn't removed, again more seats that could have been sold and weren't, again one for the safety officer to answer.
And lastly, the segregation between the fans in the middle of north stand was in my opinion way over the top. Manchester United and city and countless others use lines of stewards and thinner netting sections. The club opted to block off over 2/3rd of a block when it could and should have been less. Again for the safety officer to answer.
To round off, we should have had the opportunity to sell 700-800 more seats easily but something or some individuals don't want to change the norm. I do not know why?? Quite disappointing to be honest and lots of fans in the south stand said the same.
Can't agree with you re segregation being too over the top.
https://youtu.be/QDx5bV-8ILk?si=CBbvScay57K50Zg1
Adequate and sensible would be my choice.
So do you believe clubs that have a thinner segregation are less safe?
Whats your opinion on why the last 12 rows W33 not being sold? This is the block where the front 10 or so rows have been stripped for parts. To me these should have been sold, but we're not.
I do yes. Maybe easier said unless you happen to be in the front line. I wouldn't want to be there would you?
I think they used W33 as additional segregation because of the seats.
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I said last week that the stadium capacity was now nowhere near 15000, and was poo-pooed by some, one poster even telling me I was scaremongering.
It's disappointing. We started off with a stadium that had a capacity of 15000. It's probably no more than 13500.
Oh, and just to reiterate, in terms of revenue, the gate receipts from the play offs are pooled and we get a 20% share so we could do some maths once we decide what's adequate or inadequate segregation. I think the Safety Officer might come to a different conclusion.
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Apologies if I’ve missed this previously, but how have we reduced the capacity of the stadium so much?
We started off at 15,000 and last night was a sell out but less than 13,000 in attendance.
Not that we need the extra seats, but where have they gone? I’ve heard people say about some being removed for the big screen but surely not 2,000 seats?
I'm glad I'm not the one to start this off. But I'll add my two pennarth.
The bottom ten or so rows of W32 block have had the seat backs removed to replace damaged ones around the ground, these have yet to be replaced. What I couldn't understand was why the back 12 or so rows weren't sold. Answer for the safety officer??
There are then another two smaller block W33 and W34 that were probably the buffer zone for segregation, even though that could have been altered for the empty corner sections that crewe didn't sell.
The netting under the screen wasn't removed, again more seats that could have been sold and weren't, again one for the safety officer to answer.
And lastly, the segregation between the fans in the middle of north stand was in my opinion way over the top. Manchester United and city and countless others use lines of stewards and thinner netting sections. The club opted to block off over 2/3rd of a block when it could and should have been less. Again for the safety officer to answer.
To round off, we should have had the opportunity to sell 700-800 more seats easily but something or some individuals don't want to change the norm. I do not know why?? Quite disappointing to be honest and lots of fans in the south stand said the same.
Can't agree with you re segregation being too over the top.
https://youtu.be/QDx5bV-8ILk?si=CBbvScay57K50Zg1
Adequate and sensible would be my choice.
So do you believe clubs that have a thinner segregation are less safe?
Whats your opinion on why the last 12 rows W33 not being sold? This is the block where the front 10 or so rows have been stripped for parts. To me these should have been sold, but we're not.
I do yes. Maybe easier said unless you happen to be in the front line. I wouldn't want to be there would you?
I think they used W33 as additional segregation because of the seats.
Personally it wouldn't bother me.
Regarding W33, I still find this senseless to not sell the last 12 rows when segregation was enough for the following two blocks. Another opportunity to sell more seats, but we didn't. It's disappointing and raises further questions about some decisions for the full fan experience. There's lots of room for improvement and having the largest available capacity to sell tickets is one of them.
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I said last week that the stadium capacity was now nowhere near 15000, and was poo-pooed by some, one poster even telling me I was scaremongering.
It's disappointing. We started off with a stadium that had a capacity of 15000. It's probably no more than 13500.
Oh, and just to reiterate, in terms of revenue, the gate receipts from the play offs are pooled and we get a 20% share so we could do some maths once we decide what's adequate or inadequate segregation. I think the Safety Officer might come to a different conclusion.
Yes, fully aware of this split on the gate receipts
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A section of West stand, (North end) rarely used has had some seat parts used to repair others around the stadium. @250 not used.
Sorry but this is pretty naf and tinpot, surely get them fixed properly and we could have got £3,000 plus income towards the repairs. The actual seat I was sat on was broken, gave my arse a right nip when Molyneux screwed it wide.
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A section of West stand, (North end) rarely used has had some seat parts used to repair others around the stadium. @250 not used.
Sorry but this is pretty naf and tinpot, surely get them fixed properly and we could have got £3,000 plus income towards the repairs. The actual seat I was sat on was broken, gave my arse a right nip when Molyneux screwed it wide.
Crowd funder to buy more seats backs to increase our capacity?? I'll even bring my tools down and fit them when they hopefully do the week longer stadium clean up done by the fans before the season starts
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No comments on how clean the piss pots were
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I might be wrong, but it didn't look like the East South corner was netted off, so why under the big screen?
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I might be wrong, but it didn't look like the East South corner was netted off, so why under the big screen?
Over zealous netting. I agree there should have been some (two rows) to make sure no one stood Infront of the screen to impede the views of the reduced capacity crowd but 6 rows could have been sold and we're not! Again, why??
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So basically we will never have a repeat of the Leeds attendance because seats are cut massively.
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As far as I am aware the whole stadium is being used for the RL Challenge Cup semi-final with minimum - if any - segregation. Bound to sell-out with two well supported teams playing - so you will see what the current capacity is with the Hull KR - Wigan attendence next week.
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I never understood, why when they were constructing the stadium, crowd segregation didn't seem to be considered in the design. I'm sure there might have been some useful physical divides that might have been useful and flexible in accommodating away crowds.
Oh well. There is a saying that you have to build a thing before you discover how it should have been built.
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As far as I am aware the whole stadium is being used for the RL Challenge Cup semi-final with minimum - if any - segregation. Bound to sell-out with two well supported teams playing - so you will see what the current capacity is with the Hull KR - Wigan attendence next week.
It will be interesting to see if the big screen gets fixed to show replays, as this will be a requirement for the video ref. It would be highly embarrassing if another screen has to be hired in because a relatively expensive part hasn't been purchased to show replays. Hope I'm wrong and the big screen gets fixed for the challenge cup semi final
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So basically we will never have a repeat of the Leeds attendance because seats are cut massively.
Not with the current incumbent who is the safety officer, not even close!
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I said last week that the stadium capacity was now nowhere near 15000, and was poo-pooed by some, one poster even telling me I was scaremongering.
It's disappointing. We started off with a stadium that had a capacity of 15000. It's probably no more than 13500.
Oh, and just to reiterate, in terms of revenue, the gate receipts from the play offs are pooled and we get a 20% share so we could do some maths once we decide what's adequate or inadequate segregation. I think the Safety Officer might come to a different conclusion.
Yes, fully aware of this split on the gate receipts
The FA or EFL take quite a percentage of the gate receipts so the 4 teams don’t get anywhere near 20%.
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What's 100 divided by 5?? Answer 20.
Thus 20 percent for each of the 4 clubs.....the last 20 percent for the EFL
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What's 100 divided by 5?? Answer 20.
This 20 percent for each of the 4 clubs.....the last 20 percent for the EFL
I think the EFL get more than 20%
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What's 100 divided by 5?? Answer 20.
This 20 percent for each of the 4 clubs.....the last 20 percent for the EFL
I think the EFL get more than 20%
But if the four clubs each get 20 percent, then that's 80 percent taken up. So it is highly likely it is 20 percent
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Thought the EFL take 50% and the rest is shared so 25% of 50%?
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The South West corner in front of the screen was empty and much of the North West corner too.
Its a shame, because the South West corner seats are covered by a filthy old rag. And a big screen without any highlights is pointless in my opinion
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The South West corner in front of the screen was empty and much of the North West corner too.
Its a shame, because the South West corner seats are covered by a filthy old rag. And a big screen without any highlights is pointless in my opinion
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Very rate you get to see replays in a ground.
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The South West corner in front of the screen was empty and much of the North West corner too.
Its a shame, because the South West corner seats are covered by a filthy old rag. And a big screen without any highlights is pointless in my opinion
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Very rate you get to see replays in a ground.
We used too, it added to the overall experience. But we can't afford a part to repair the screen apparently
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The South West corner in front of the screen was empty and much of the North West corner too.
Its a shame, because the South West corner seats are covered by a filthy old rag. And a big screen without any highlights is pointless in my opinion
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The advertising revenue that the big screen generates is probably more than what we would raise if the tickets in that block were sold. Its not there for replays, its there to make money for the club
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As far as I am aware the whole stadium is being used for the RL Challenge Cup semi-final with minimum - if any - segregation. Bound to sell-out with two well supported teams playing - so you will see what the current capacity is with the Hull KR - Wigan attendence next week.
Be interesting to see if the big screen is used in replays at that game
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The club need to be working to get the capacity back up to at least 14,000. Agree with most of the comments that it’s disappointing our 15000 seater stadium is suddenly a 13000.
Understand a couple hundred for screen and a couple hundred for South unreserved but that’s it. The away end has a massive metal fences bordering it from the east and west so not even sure why any netting is needed usually (obv needed when Donny fans are in the North).
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For me it’s not a massive priority to get the capacity back up, we don’t use it, I just wondered why a “sell out” had gone from 15,001 to less than 13,000.
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Segregation and un-used seats in the West/South corner, end of the West towards the North and West/North corner. Also can't sell all the seats in the South due to being Unreserved.
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Not a single bit of segregation at Norwich v Leeds today.
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So basically we will never have a repeat of the Leeds attendance because seats are cut massively.
Not with the current incumbent who is the safety officer, not even close!
You make it sound so simple, when the truth is it’s much more complicated than that.
The Safety Advisory Group have a lot to say on the terms and conditions of how a stadium is operated to ensure the licence they issue is current and operative. No licence no games, as simple as that.
They in turn report to the Sports Ground Safety Authority and their inspectors turn up quite regularly at matches to ensure compliance.
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I did a stadium tour a few years back, and was told the blocks at the north end of the west stand weren’t used as to do so would mean much more policing and therefore more cost.
I don’t know the maths nor if this is still the same, but it’s what I was told at the time.
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Just a thought (and don’t know how possible it is) but why not move the screen to the northwest corner? If its only real purpose is for advertising then it doesn’t really matter where it is and it would mean we gain some extra home seats. Makes sense to me
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Just a thought (and don’t know how possible it is) but why not move the screen to the northwest corner? If its only real purpose is for advertising then it doesn’t really matter where it is and it would mean we gain some extra home seats. Makes sense to me
Pretty impossible to be honest. When it was installed it had to be done where the resources were available and that was in the SW corner, a link could be my made directly into the existing IT infrastructure. It wasn’t possible anywhere else.