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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Chris Black come back on May 16, 2024, 06:52:37 am
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Not coming back in any form according to Free Press. Wants to make a go of it at Hull City next season. Can’t say that is hugely surprising.
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Time will tell.
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I thought he might want to do that. I’d do the same. He’s already at a decent size Tier 2 club, so prove yourself there and you can get a move a division higher or even promotion with them.
He’s set the bar for what we need from the first choice goalie and has shown that what we have isn’t good enough. For once I think everyone on here agrees with that.
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Time will tell.
Exactly. Season is barely over and they haven’t appointed a new manager yet. If a new boss comes in and tells him he’s 4th choice, I’m sure he’ll be out of there. Not necessarily to us like.
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Wouldn't people be worried if players didn't want an opportunity to be at that level and have confidence they were good enough?
He did amazing here and showed we need a strong keeper but ultimately he's shown he's better than our level unfortunately.
Good luck to him and you never know but for us we need to find a permanent keeper of high quality.
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I think getting another loan GK is probably the safest bet. Doubt there will be anyone remotely like TLT in the permanent market for this level.
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Time will tell.
No, I think Tim already told.......
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Tbf we have done pretty well with loan keepers.
As much as I like our own keepers it has highlighted that neither are at the standard to be first choice if we are really going to challenge next season.
You wouldn’t expect TLT to say any different really would you
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Even in the remote possibility he fails to impress at Hull, he's raised his stock so other higher ranked clubs would likely be in hot pursuit of him.
I wish him all the best after being a very bright light for us in the footsteps of Sam Johnstone and Senny Dieng.
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Still disappointing, though. What a difference he made.
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Gutted but not surprised.
One of my first thoughts at 11pm on Friday wasn't only missing out on promotion, it was losing these players.
Trust Grant to get someone just as good in, not sure we will get better.
I think TLT is very close to being my favorite loan signing of all time. What a player and character.
All the best big man!
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He will go down in Rovers folk law.
He doesn’t want to be sat on Hulls bench next season.
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If he's not second choice he wont be
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There's a bit of context to this that may be interesting.
Earlier on this week the owner at Hull held a Meet the Owners event. At this event he was very openly and very publicly critical of certain individual players, including their goalkeeper.
It seems that one of the reasons he's sacked their Manager (despite finishing 7th) was his unwillingness to drop certain players due to poor form (or perceived poor form on the part of the owner) and this included the keeper amongst others. As a result of this public criticism it's felt by some fans that this is a clear indication that these players will be offloaded, after all who'd want to stay at a club where the owner has called you out personally and publicly?
So, it looks like Hull will possibly be releasing 2 keepers during the summer, which means that TLT will potentially have the opportunity to move up the pecking order. However, the view amongst the fans (well, my Hull supporting mates) is that he'd have needed to improve quite a bit to get into their side. Plus, there are rumours of various other keepers who they're interested in.
As a general point about Hull, their owner is an interesting fella. He's done a fabulous PR job to get the fans on side through paying for fans to travel to Turkey to watch friendlies and funding away travel to league games. He is a TV personality in Turkey and has certainly put his money where his mouth is, but since he sacked a very popular manager and it seems that he has slightly more influence on the playing side that originally thought, all may not seem as clear as it once did.
Watch this space...
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Needs to work on collecting crosses , this was his only real weakness. Still very young but got a lot of great attributes, he will be missed.
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TLT has shown he is more than a capable goalie who really needs to play at a much higher level than Lg.2 Any Championship club should be glad to get hold of him if Hull are stupid enough not to give him a proper berth there.
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If we get stuck with Lawlor or Jones as our only alternatives for the goalie next year kiss goodbye to any challenge for promotion, neither can control their area, their distribution is poor and the back 4 are constantly looking over their shoulders when they are there in case they need to try and save them. The whole defence starts with a reliable goalie, we don't have one on the books now.
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Loan keepers in this league is definitely the fashion, Wrexham for one did well with a good loan keeper. We've had success there before, TLT and Dieng being the best, so no reason why we couldn't go out again and get someone decent with Lawlor as decent back up. I personally think Jones will leave of his own accord to go and find a first team spot to try and move his career on.
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Loan keepers in this league is definitely the fashion, Wrexham for one did well with a good loan keeper. We've had success there before, TLT and Dieng being the best, so no reason why we couldn't go out again and get someone decent with Lawlor as decent back up. I personally think Jones will leave of his own accord to go and find a first team spot to try and move his career on.
I think Sam Johnstone might have something to say about that.
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I don't think many of us are shocked at this, he will want progression whether that's with competing with the no1 Jersey at Hull or at league 1 level first team football.
I wasn't that impressed with the decision to bring Lawlor back tbh, he wasn't good enough first time and he hasn't improved this time. However GM has issued his war cry about a title tilt next year so i'm sure he realises that a better keeper is required for that
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Loan keepers in this league is definitely the fashion, Wrexham for one did well with a good loan keeper. We've had success there before, TLT and Dieng being the best, so no reason why we couldn't go out again and get someone decent with Lawlor as decent back up. I personally think Jones will leave of his own accord to go and find a first team spot to try and move his career on.
I think Sam Johnstone might have something to say about that.
Quite right, definitely should be on my list - but proves the point that you can get a good loan keeper. Ramsdale, Pickford, Pope and others all had loans around our level, so hope for getting another decent one through the door in the summer.
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Loan keepers in this league is definitely the fashion, Wrexham for one did well with a good loan keeper. We've had success there before, TLT and Dieng being the best, so no reason why we couldn't go out again and get someone decent with Lawlor as decent back up. I personally think Jones will leave of his own accord to go and find a first team spot to try and move his career on.
I think Sam Johnstone might have something to say about that.
He was the clear standout for me. Dieng and TLT both great though.
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He’ll be very hard to replace, I’ve never felt more comfortable with a keeper playing out from the back, he was crucial to the way we played
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Listening to Grants latest interview he mentions that Kyle is on the case
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Listening to Grants latest interview he mentions that Kyle is on the case
Yes, that was very subtle!
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Marosi would you have him back
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Not for me.
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Thank you TLT good luck in the future
Now time to get someone new and better than we currently have
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Marosi would you have him back
Great banter
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If we get stuck with Lawlor or Jones as our only alternatives for the goalie next year kiss goodbye to any challenge for promotion, neither can control their area, their distribution is poor and the back 4 are constantly looking over their shoulders when they are there in case they need to try and save them. The whole defence starts with a reliable goalie, we don't have one on the books now.
Saying Jones's distribution is poor is ridiculous. He is excellent at getting the ball out quickly and accurately.
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One big difference in our make-up this close season is the fact that Terry Bramall has got not only much closer to GM and Gavin but to understanding firsthand the issues with the squad. It will be easier for Grant to explain the need for this and that than and for Terry to understand than it ever was through David Blunt .
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I said it last year and again now if we want to be Champions next season the Jones and Lawlor are not good enough. The contract situation was a mistake at the beginning of the season. We had to find better in January we did and the results showed it .
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If we get stuck with Lawlor or Jones as our only alternatives for the goalie next year kiss goodbye to any challenge for promotion, neither can control their area, their distribution is poor and the back 4 are constantly looking over their shoulders when they are there in case they need to try and save them. The whole defence starts with a reliable goalie, we don't have one on the books now.
Saying Jones's distribution is poor is ridiculous. He is excellent at getting the ball out quickly and accurately.
Agreed, I think this is one of his better attributes.
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Agree with that Billy, if only he could command his 6 yard box
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Jones and Lawlor are up there with Etheridge and Woods for our worst permanent Keepers since 97/98
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And yet we won a promotion with Woods, albeit he had a certain Rob Jones in front of him ! Agreed though, both our incumbents aren’t no where near the level of TLT ! I’m sure it will be addressed before the start of the season
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Jones and Lawlor are up there with Etheridge and Woods for our worst permanent Keepers since 97/98
Dahlberg? Mitchell? BFG wasn't that sparkling either
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Jones and Lawlor are up there with Etheridge and Woods for our worst permanent Keepers since 97/98
Dahlberg? Mitchell? BFG wasn't that sparkling either
I stand by my statement
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Jones and Lawlor are up there with Etheridge and Woods for our worst permanent Keepers since 97/98
Dahlberg? Mitchell? BFG wasn't that sparkling either
I stand by my statement
In that case, we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Jones and Lawlor are up there with Etheridge and Woods for our worst permanent Keepers since 97/98
Dahlberg? Mitchell? BFG wasn't that sparkling either
I stand by my statement
In that case, we'll have to agree to disagree.
I’d rather have you in Goal than Jones mate and Dahlberg wasn’t permanent either
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Jones and Lawlor are up there with Etheridge and Woods for our worst permanent Keepers since 97/98
Dahlberg? Mitchell? BFG wasn't that sparkling either
I hate to be pedantic but we only ever had Dahlberg on loan. Fortunately, given he was utter crap.
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I would have subbed Jones on for the penalty shoot out v Crewe
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I would have subbed Jones on for the penalty shoot out v Crewe
We said this during extra time. He's a very clever lad and I always fancy him in a 1 v1
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Jones isn’t what we need from a no.1 but he’s miles ahead of that utter clown Mitchell.
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Jones isn’t what we need from a no.1 but he’s miles ahead of that utter clown Mitchell.
Bit harsh IMO. Mitchell played in a really poor team and made some fantastic saves. Distribution was terrible at times but he wasn't a clown and won player of season. Just a sign of the times we were in.
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Could handle a high ball better than a lot of recent keepers.
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JM was good in the air I’ll give him that. He’s actually just been released by Harrogate.
I think people are being harsh on Jones though. He doesn’t drop the clangers that Mitchell used to. And he can actually kick a ball.
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The endless talk about the shortcomings of recent goalkeepers only emphasises their general inadequacy. Risk-averse Jones has his permanent critics and none of the recent loanees - TLT excepted - reaches even a generally agreed level of “satisfactory”.
We go round in circles. It’s time for those who recruit to improve their judgement.
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Jones and Lawlor are up there with Etheridge and Woods for our worst permanent Keepers since 97/98
Dahlberg? Mitchell? BFG wasn't that sparkling either
I stand by my statement
In that case, we'll have to agree to disagree.
I’d rather have you in Goal than Jones mate and Dahlberg wasn’t permanent either
SS would struggle to catch a bus these days never mind a football :-]]
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JM was good in the air I’ll give him that. He’s actually just been released by Harrogate.
I think people are being harsh on Jones though. He doesn’t drop the clangers that Mitchell used to. And he can actually kick a ball.
He wasn't good in the air in his debut v Rotherham. We've skimped and saved on that area since we had Lumley on loan. We need a strong Number 1, not alternating Number 2's. Harsh on Jones as I don't think he's had the run of games he needs.
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Mitchell was on a one man mission to get us relegated during the second half of the season.
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Is it completely out of the question that TLT will return? I havn’t read anything that says he’s definately not coming back here. If I’ve missed where he has said it, then I apologise.
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He’s said what he had to and what you’d expect him to say
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Where is the quote though?
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On ‘X’:
The past 5 months have been nothing other than a blessing, all i can say is thank you.
To all the fans, thank you for your unwavering support throughout, from the very first game to the very last. I will always remember ❤️
TLT
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Let's face it, it would be a backward step for TLT if he ended up back here. I'm sure we'd all want to see him progress.
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There will be other factors but staying down this season means we lost any chance of TLT, potentially Craig coming back, and perhaps even the three out of contract players. Go up, and most of those would have been possible. Same after losing at Charlton, all the quality then left. It is fine margins to keep progressing.
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I would have subbed Jones on for the penalty shoot out v Crewe
So would have I, last Saturday I was talking to one his ex youth team colleagues and he said exactly the same because he had a very high percentage of penalty saves
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I would have subbed Jones on for the penalty shoot out v Crewe
So would have I, last Saturday I was talking to one his ex youth team colleagues and he said exactly the same because he had a very high percentage of penalty saves
His general shot saving % is not very good. Has he ever saved a penalty for the first team?
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Yes he was good in the JPT during pens....well BSM now.
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Jones and Lawlor are up there with Etheridge and Woods for our worst permanent Keepers since 97/98
Goalkeeper position is certainly a problem that needs sorting, but putting those other 3 names alongside Etheridge is unfair. Mitchell escaping mention as well when worse than those three.
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TLT still with the Rovers theme. Clips of him training in Rovers gear. Probably nothing in it other than free joggers amd top he got when here.....I can but dream!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8xR53KiMrq/?igsh=MWJodWIyOHNra2R3Yw==
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Not even made the Hull bench today.
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Think he’s injured
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They signed another goalkeeper on Thursday