Viking Supporters Co-operative
Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Bentley Bullet on June 04, 2024, 12:05:06 pm
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As it's one month to the day away, I thought it would be interesting to see who we Viking site members intend to vote for, along with the swings in opinion as the campaigns get underway.
You may change your vote anytime, and all votes will be anonymous unless you choose to comment otherwise.
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It looks like there isn't an option to change your vote in the poll, as one of the main reasons it was requested when setting it up was to see to what extent campaigning persuaded opinions.
Does anyone know how to change the settings?
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Changed it for you.
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Cheers RTR!
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I was going to vote Labour but I'm tempted to Tory after seeing this.....
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I’ve put “other” as I’m currently undecided and wanted to see the results.
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I’ve put “other” as I’m currently undecided and wanted to see the results.
I've put "other" as I'm hoping that Count Binface will be fielding a candidate.
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I was going to vote Labour but I'm tempted to Tory after seeing this.....
Only if it’s got a Square Steering wheel!
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Where's the option
Non because voting is an illusion?
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Where's the option
Non because voting is an illusion?
Surely you wouldn't vote in this poll because voting is an illusion?
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Where's the option
Non because voting is an illusion?
Surely you wouldn't vote in this poll because voting is an illusion?
No, I wouldn't because it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.
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I’ve put “other” as I’m currently undecided and wanted to see the results.
I've put "other" as I'm hoping that Count Binface will be fielding a candidate.
Up for it SS?
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I was going to vote Labour but I'm tempted to Tory after seeing this.....
Only if it’s got a Square Steering wheel!
That's strong glue you have there, Sproty
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Labour all the way.
I'm sick and tired of this government. Truss was the final straw.
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Slightly surprised and concerned to see 7 votes for Reform. I'd love to know what that is based on.
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Slightly surprised and concerned to see 7 votes for Reform. I'd love to know what that is based on.
Presumably the Tories not being right wing enough, or possibly a discount on milkshakes.
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Slightly surprised and concerned to see 7 votes for Reform. I'd love to know what that is based on.
Mad Tories who think the party has gone socialist.
These are strange times of political polarisation
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Where’s the option for none of the above.
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Where’s the option for none of the above.
Other or don't vote.
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Slightly surprised and concerned to see 7 votes for Reform. I'd love to know what that is based on.
It's based on people who like Nigel Farage.
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As it stands.....
Labour 28 (53.8%)
Reform 9 (17.3%)
Green 6 (11.5%)
Conservative 3 (5.8%)
Lib Dem 3 (5.8%)
Other 3 (5.8%)
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By eck! Farage has been in charge for about 24 hours and has almost 19% of the vote!
.... And that's in the Republic Of South Yorkshire!
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Probably voting tory, I don't think reform have much chance where I live.
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Fascinating how many people would want Farage as PM.
Here's what he said on the day of the KamiKwaze Budget that damn nearly tanked the economy.
https://x.com/OperaSocialist/status/1797838147805663713
Does it never dawn on people that he, y'know, might be wrong? Or worse?
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If Reform start winning seats I'd be very nervous about the future of the NHS. It genuinely terrifies me that my children may grow up in a system like the USA where having the misfortune to become ill can bankrupt you.
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If Reform start winning seats I'd be very nervous about the future of the NHS. It genuinely terrifies me that my children may grow up in a system like the USA where having the misfortune to become ill can bankrupt you.
In that case you want to start asking questions about what the Labour plan will be medium to long term.
If we listen to the musings of people like Streeting then its a near certainty that the creeping vines of more private provision for certain sections of the NHS will be getting considered and planned.
Rather than worry be pragmatic about this, any Mega department that sucks in so much of the public purse will always become open to review when monies are tight.
In the worst case scenario , like in the states,and most of Europe most companies would pay medical insurance for their staff, unemployed and benefit claimants would be given it as part of their benefits entitlements.
Its the direction of travel and i'd be very surprised if Labour are not already looking at where they can hive off sections into private healthcare.
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Farage is an interesting case isn't he?
He's on record as saying he thinks Putin is the world leader he most admires.
He worked tirelessly for Brexit which was a massive foreign affairs victory for Putin.
His Leave.EU funder had regular meetings with the Russian ambassador in the run up to the Brexit vote and lied about them.
He had clandestine meetings with Assange at exactly the same time that Putin was pouring Clinton's emails through WikiLeaks and winning the Presidency for Trump.
He bangs the drum for us to not support Ukraine and leave them to Putin.
Almost as if...
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As if he has the right answers?
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Slightly surprised and concerned to see 7 votes for Reform. I'd love to know what that is based on.
I'd vote for them if I thought they had a chance
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I’m looking at Reform’s manifesto and there’s quite a lot that needs costing
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I’m looking at Reform’s manifesto and there’s quite a lot that needs costing
What, like air raid shelters?
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I know this is not a properly constructed poll, and it lives in a South Yorkshire fourth tier football clubs off topic section, but I'm really surprised at the percentage of the vote for Reform.
We know this won't be worrying Labour HQ any time soon, but if that's a rough estimate of what people are thinking, then this election could be very illuminating for some and give others sleepless nights.
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Absolutely. To say this is an area where a Lesser Spotted Dogfish would be elected if it sported a red rose, it's quite surprising, to say the least.
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It looks like right-wingers in the red wall are disillusioned with the Tories.
Not many of Johnsons promises have been delivered, immigration, levelling up. So it's perhaps not surprising they might turn to Farage now?
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Although Farage is the most popular politician in the country, it's still surprising he's in second position on this South Yorkshire fourth-tier football club's off-topic section.
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20% of the vote now!
Labour 35 (53.8%)
Reform 13 (20%)
Green 6 (9.2%)
Conservative 4 (6.2%)
Lib Dem 4 (6.2%)
Other 3 (4.6%)
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Reform will finish 2nd all over I think. Pretty much UKIP the time they got 4 million votes but no seats.
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Nice quiz if anyone's interested, may help you decide.
https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz
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The popularity of Reform is more confined to the rust belt areas. The red wall, the Essex seaside.
The more traditional Tory voter iis less impressed with them and more likely to protest with a liberal vote.
My guess is we'll see the rightwing vote cut in two.
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How can anyone decide to vote for Reform when nobody knows what they stand for on anything expect immigration? At least with the other parties you can make an educated guess what their policies are based on experience. What's Reforms view on NHS, Economy, Public Services, Education etc..etc..
All Reform are talking about is immigration!
Actually, maybe I've answered my own question...
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The popularity of Reform is more confined to the rust belt areas. The red wall, the Essex seaside.
The more traditional Tory voter iis less impressed with them and more likely to protest with a liberal vote.
My guess is we'll see the rightwing vote cut in two.
In my part of the South a lot seem to be moving to Labour and to a lesser extent Reform. I suspect we'll see Labour gain quite a few seats around here and then a straight fight between Tories and Reform for second. Not that it matters too much who comes second in terms of power. It's incredible to think that this was a staunch Tory seat when I first moved here.
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How can anyone decide to vote for Reform when nobody knows what they stand for on anything expect immigration? At least with the other parties you can make an educated guess what their policies are based on experience. What's Reforms view on NHS, Economy, Public Services, Education etc..etc..
All Reform are talking about is immigration!
Actually, maybe I've answered my own question...
They have a pretty clear manifesto if you look for it . Which covers most major topics .
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How can anyone decide to vote for Reform when nobody knows what they stand for on anything expect immigration? At least with the other parties you can make an educated guess what their policies are based on experience. What's Reforms view on NHS, Economy, Public Services, Education etc..etc..
All Reform are talking about is immigration!
Actually, maybe I've answered my own question...
They have a pretty clear manifesto if you look for it . Which covers most major topics .
Thanks Normal... I found some high level statements and populist soundbites but didn't realise they'd launched their manifesto. I'll have a look at that later.
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Nice quiz if anyone's interested, may help you decide.
https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz
Interesting for me. I got the following:
76% SDP
74% Labour
74% Women's Equality
74% Rejoin EU
72% Green
71% Liberal Party
70% Lib Dem
and bringing up the rear:
51% Tory
47% Reclaim
43% UKIP
41% Reform
No shocks at the bottom end but a slight surprise at the top. The OG version of the SDP founded by the Gang of Four I would've expected to identify with but not so much the current bunch.
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How can anyone decide to vote for Reform when nobody knows what they stand for on anything expect immigration? At least with the other parties you can make an educated guess what their policies are based on experience. What's Reforms view on NHS, Economy, Public Services, Education etc..etc..
All Reform are talking about is immigration!
Actually, maybe I've answered my own question...
Try Google, it's quite new, but it's catching on.
There you can search and find all kinds of information, including the reform manifesto.
Great this modern tech !
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Just been looking at the Reform manifesto.
I got as far as this.
"CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"
See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?
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I’m voting Liberal Democrats.
I’m in a blue wall seat - Haltemprice and Howden. I feel like they can do pretty well here and it’s they who have come the closest to beating David Davis, nearly doing so in 2001.
People might say it’s a wishy washy vote but they are more ideologically consistent than the two main parties and they align with me the most really.
I just think they need to get behind nuclear energy more.
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Just been looking at the Reform manifesto.
I got as far as this.
"CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"
See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?
So you've taken a small quote out of context ?
A quote you can't even disprove
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How can anyone decide to vote for Reform when nobody knows what they stand for on anything expect immigration? At least with the other parties you can make an educated guess what their policies are based on experience. What's Reforms view on NHS, Economy, Public Services, Education etc..etc..
All Reform are talking about is immigration!
Actually, maybe I've answered my own question...
Try Google, it's quite new, but it's catching on.
There you can search and find all kinds of information, including the reform manifesto.
Great this modern tech !
Great, thanks Tony
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Just been looking at the Reform manifesto.
I got as far as this.
"CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"
See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?
So you've taken a small quote out of context ?
A quote you can't even disprove
Nothing out of context. It's all they say on the subject of quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere.
It's designed to belittle the issue for people too thick to understand data.
"0.04%? That's tiny! How can that do damage. I don't die when I go in a greenhouse. If they ban CO2, won't plants die?"
If it's not meant to elect those reactions, what IS it meant for?
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Tories now last in this poll
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Has anyone else done the quiz thing? I'd be really interested to know if it makes anyone reconsider their voting preference.
If you were planning to vote for a party but you only had 50% preference in common with their manifesto would that sway you?
For the record, although they're not my most ideologically aligned I'm sticking with the Lib Dems as I'm in a position in my local party in which I would hope to influence policy from within rather than jump ship to someone else whenever there's a small variance. Had the party ranked much further down the list I would be seriously considering looking into the alternatives in more detail.
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Has anyone else done the quiz thing? I'd be really interested to know if it makes anyone reconsider their voting preference.
If you were planning to vote for a party but you only had 50% preference in common with their manifesto would that sway you?
For the record, although they're not my most ideologically aligned I'm sticking with the Lib Dems as I'm in a position in my local party in which I would hope to influence policy from within rather than jump ship to someone else whenever there's a small variance. Had the party ranked much further down the list I would be seriously considering looking into the alternatives in more detail.
These quizzes only really go skin-deep. It’s a starting point but you need to work out the tradeoffs and practicalities yourself.
There’s a lot to get through from “the Green Party shares some of my concerns” to “the Green Party is a serious party that could run the country”.
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More stuff from the RefUK(*) manifesto.
They plan to give 20% tax refunds to all payments on private education and private healthcare.
Just so you know what you are voting for lads, eh?
(*) Got to admire them choosing this name. They f**ked the UK with Brexit and now they are back to RefUK it. Hiding in plain sight, they are.
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After going through the quiz and seeing some of the results from certain ways questions were answered my thoughts were.
Its a pity we don't have some sort of basic psychometric test before the electorate cast their vote.
Nothing to complex or time consuming but a quick 20 question scheme that could identify the voters personal ideals. Take personalities and influencers out of the equation.
I think we have far to many people who vote a certain way because they think they should do so or are told to do so by their peers, MSM, social media, personalities and influencers.
Some of the people i have spoken to give me the distinct impression that they follow the crowd or feel they have to go a certain way to conform because it was implied on their favourite social media!
Would it not be better for people to vote for what they objectively want rather than what's subtly suggested for them?
Would be very interesting to see what sort of results developed.
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Just been looking at the Reform manifesto.
I got as far as this.
"CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"
See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?
So you've taken a small quote out of context ?
A quote you can't even disprove
Nothing out of context. It's all they say on the subject of quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere.
It's designed to belittle the issue for people too thick to understand data.
"0.04%? That's tiny! How can that do damage. I don't die when I go in a greenhouse. If they ban CO2, won't plants die?"
If it's not meant to elect those reactions, what IS it meant for?
It's completely out of context out of the whole section they have on the environment.
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Reform will also get a lot of votes because people are sick to death of the high horse your view isn't the same as mine crying left wing lunatics. Which exist on this forum too. Brexit happened because half the voters who voted it weren't passionate on Brexit they did it to stick 2 fingers up at those sort of people
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Just been looking at the Reform manifesto.
I got as far as this.
"CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"
See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?
So you've taken a small quote out of context ?
A quote you can't even disprove
Nothing out of context. It's all they say on the subject of quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere.
It's designed to belittle the issue for people too thick to understand data.
"0.04%? That's tiny! How can that do damage. I don't die when I go in a greenhouse. If they ban CO2, won't plants die?"
If it's not meant to elect those reactions, what IS it meant for?
It's completely out of context out of the whole section they have on the environment.
Go on then. Why do you think they've put that specific text in there?
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Vote for the strongest party that isn't Tory in your constituency.
I've done the quiz answering all bar one of the questions (the one at the end asking which candidate in Denby Dale you would vote for, don't know who is who), my results were:
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Reform will also get a lot of votes because people are sick to death of the high horse your view isn't the same as mine crying left wing lunatics. Which exist on this forum too. Brexit happened because half the voters who voted it weren't passionate on Brexit they did it to stick 2 fingers up at those sort of people
If people's voting patterns are based on who's p*ssed them off as opposed to the policies of the parties then they're fools.
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A few more policies from the Reform 'Contract'...
Cut foreign aid by 50%
Lift income tax starting point to £20k
Scrap VAT on energy bills
Abolish tourist tax
Reduce corporation tax
Frontline NHS staff pay zero tax for 3 years
Tax relief for private healthcare companies
Tax relief for independent schools
Recruit 40k more police
Increase defence spending to 2.5% and then 3% GDP
Build 10k new prison places
Increase farming budget by £3 Billion
Protect country sports
Repeal equalities act
Leave European court of human rights
Leave World Health organisation
I'd support a couple of those, but I don't understand how taxes can be cut so significantly whilst spending so much?
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Just been looking at the Reform manifesto.
I got as far as this.
"CO2 is essential for photosynthesis to enable plant growth. CO2 only represents 0.04% of the atmosphere; the average garden greenhouse has 3 times more!"
See, what gets me is this. Reform voters take offence at being called thick. But di they ever stop to think what the Reform leaders think about them?
So you've taken a small quote out of context ?
A quote you can't even disprove
Nothing out of context. It's all they say on the subject of quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere.
It's designed to belittle the issue for people too thick to understand data.
"0.04%? That's tiny! How can that do damage. I don't die when I go in a greenhouse. If they ban CO2, won't plants die?"
If it's not meant to elect those reactions, what IS it meant for?
It's completely out of context out of the whole section they have on the environment.
Go on then. Why do you think they've put that specific text in there?
I'd say they are referring to the billions being spent on the green agenda, often at the expense of British companies.
Which is a futile excercise when you see India and China building hundreds of coal power stations every year, and Brazil decimating the Amazon recently.
Out efforts are practically the equivalent of a cow fart, compared to what those countries are doing.
Don't forget the colossal open cast cobalt mines in Africa that are owned by the Chinese and mined by slaves, just so people in the west can virtue signal with their "zero emission" electric cars.
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A few more policies from the Reform 'Contract'...
Cut foreign aid by 50%
Lift income tax starting point to £20k
Scrap VAT on energy bills
Abolish tourist tax
Reduce corporation tax
Frontline NHS staff pay zero tax for 3 years
Tax relief for private healthcare companies
Tax relief for independent schools
Recruit 40k more police
Increase defence spending to 2.5% and then 3% GDP
Build 10k new prison places
Increase farming budget by £3 Billion
Protect country sports
Repeal equalities act
Leave European court of human rights
Leave World Health organisation
I'd support a couple of those, but I don't understand how taxes can be cut so significantly whilst spending so much?
Most of them should be in the Tim Vine thread
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"Country sports" - Is that another term for hunting?
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"Country sports" - Is that another term for hunting?
Its code to confuse Starmer's metropolitan cabal!
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A few more policies from the Reform 'Contract'...
Cut foreign aid by 50%
Lift income tax starting point to £20k
Scrap VAT on energy bills
Abolish tourist tax
Reduce corporation tax
Frontline NHS staff pay zero tax for 3 years
Tax relief for private healthcare companies
Tax relief for independent schools
Recruit 40k more police
Increase defence spending to 2.5% and then 3% GDP
Build 10k new prison places
Increase farming budget by £3 Billion
Protect country sports
Repeal equalities act
Leave European court of human rights
Leave World Health organisation
I'd support a couple of those, but I don't understand how taxes can be cut so significantly whilst spending so much?
Because they've plucked numbers out of thin air to make their figures add up.
For example, as well as spending all that money, they are also going to cut back Govt spending by £50bn/year.
And they reckon increased growth will bring them another £10bn/year in tax income. Justified by a one line calculation.
And they say they'll save £30bn a year by stopping interest payments on QE reserves. Sounds excellent. Trouble is, for very technical reasons, the BoE has to pay interest on those reserves whilever QE is high. If they don't, they lose control of the ability to change interest rates and then the biggest guard we have against runaway inflation, or deflation vanishes.
The BoE is currently trying to get its QE figures down to a level where it really could stop paying interest on reserves. This is called Quantitative Tightening.
Go on. Have a guess what the RefUK policy is on QT? That's right. To reverse it.
The economic plans in their manifesto read like they were scrawled down on the back of one of Farage's fag packets. They are not remotely realistic. But they sound good to people who know nowt about economics. And of course, they'll never ever be out to the test. But they do give Farage another route to throw shite at everyone else, which he does so well.
If he tries that in the debate tomorrow, someone should remind him what he thought of the Kamikwasi Budget.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoNBF3vXwAAGc9n.jpg)
f**king idiot.
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It was inevitable that Labour would top the fourth division forum poll and that Conservatives would finish bottom.
No surprises there.
In the outside world I still expect (hope) that Labour win but I don’t think that there will be a big electorate turnout.
I hope they win so I can see how accurate some of the comments on here will prove to be.
The general public are sick to death of politics and politicians and most like to think they are voting for the Party leader, rather than their local candidate.
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A few more policies from the Reform 'Contract'...
Cut foreign aid by 50%
Lift income tax starting point to £20k
Scrap VAT on energy bills
Abolish tourist tax
Reduce corporation tax
Frontline NHS staff pay zero tax for 3 years
Tax relief for private healthcare companies
Tax relief for independent schools
Recruit 40k more police
Increase defence spending to 2.5% and then 3% GDP
Build 10k new prison places
Increase farming budget by £3 Billion
Protect country sports
Repeal equalities act
Leave European court of human rights
Leave World Health organisation
I'd support a couple of those, but I don't understand how taxes can be cut so significantly whilst spending so much?
Because they've plucked numbers out of thin air to make their figures add up.
For example, as well as spending all that money, they are also going to cut back Govt spending by £50bn/year.
And they reckon increased growth will bring them another £10bn/year in tax income. Justified by a one line calculation.
And they say they'll save £30bn a year by stopping interest payments on QE reserves. Sounds excellent. Trouble is, for very technical reasons, the BoE has to pay interest on those reserves whilever QE is high. If they don't, they lose control of the ability to change interest rates and then the biggest guard we have against runaway inflation, or deflation vanishes.
The BoE is currently trying to get its QE figures down to a level where it really could stop paying interest on reserves. This is called Quantitative Tightening.
Go on. Have a guess what the RefUK policy is on QT? That's right. To reverse it.
The economic plans in their manifesto read like they were scrawled down on the back of one of Farage's fag packets. They are not remotely realistic. But they sound good to people who know nowt about economics. And of course, they'll never ever be out to the test. But they do give Farage another route to throw shite at everyone else, which he does so well.
If he tries that in the debate tomorrow, someone should remind him what he thought of the Kamikwasi Budget.
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f**king idiot.
In the interest of reasoned debate. This from the politically neutral New Economic forum.
The government could save £55bn over the next five years if it limits the amount of money the Bank of England pays interest on to commercial banks, according to new analysis from the New Economics Foundation. The Treasury will pay out over £150bn to the Bank of England to fund its payments to the banking sector by 2028, this on top of the £30bn already paid out in 2023. This is a result of the Bank of England paying interest on all central bank reserves, including the £875bn created through quantitative easing (QE).
Instead, the analysis finds that the Bank of England could pay interest on a smaller portion of reserves by requiring commercial banks to hold 10% of their liquid assets in reserves that pay no interest. This would save the government £55bn over the next five years, enough to repair crumbling schools and hospitals and fund installation for 7 million homes.
This 10% ‘reserve requirement’ is lower than requirements used by central banks in China and Brazil in recent years and the UK in the 1970s. The European Central Bank has recently announced a policy to stop paying interest on these reserves, and the application in the UK has been discussed by former deputy governor of the Bank of England, Sir Paul Tucker.
The Bank of England holds money for commercial banks in reserves and currently pays interest on all of this. The level of interest is set by the Bank’s own interest rates. The Treasury is responsible for funding any gap between the interest the Bank of England receives on bonds bought via quantitative easing and the interest it pays out, along with any losses the Bank makes from active sales.
The analysis shows that how the government could save billions by implementing a tiered reserves policy which would reduce the proportion of central bank reserves that the Bank of England pays interest to the banking sector on. The analysis finds that, over the next five years:
A 1% reserve requirement, equal to the policy implemented at the European Central Bank would save the government £1.3bn a year.
A 2.5% reserve requirement would save the government £3.3bn a year, enough to fund a mass insulation programme for 7m homes over five years. Such reserve requirements are common place in Switzerland.
A 5% reserve requirement would save the government £6.6bn a year, enough to fund repairs for crumbling schools and hospitals over the next five years. Such reserve requirements are lower than those used by China this summer.
A 10% reserve requirement would save the government £11.5bn a year, enough to implement all the above policies. Such reserve requirements would be lower than in the UK in the 1970s.
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Yes NR.
That article is talking about removing SOME of the interest, but it doesn't mention the downsides.
RefUK are talking about removing ALL of the interest, which would basically destroy the BoE's ability to control interest rates.
The only way they could get control back over interest rates would be to end QE. But RefUK say they would reinforce QE.
There's three possibilities here, take your pick but it's one of the three.
1) They've absolutely no f**king idea how stupid what they propose actually is.
2) They know it is stupid but they reckon it'll play well to some people because it will elicit a "Yes why are we paying banks interest?" response from people who don't understand the intricacies. But they know they'll never come to power and have to implement it.
3) As with Brexit, and supporting Truss, and supporting a US candidate who may well bring down NATO, they know damn well this would be yet another way of badly hurting the UK. Which would serve the purposes of the man who Farage has said he admires more than any other political leader.
RefUK
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I doubt very much they would remove all interest payments.
You won’t see this on the side of a bus either as people are generally not interested in how governments cost and budget for large scale policy change.
What people are taking notice of are tax thresholds increasing, fuel duty cuts, energy vat cuts.
Latest yougov poll has reform 2 points behind the tories.
Somewhat academic given that we are probably looking at a Liebore govt.
Liebore will get their chance to govern again. People can happily wave their red flags thinking that change is coming.
It isn’t. And I can’t help but think that the bickering from the left side of the fence on here, is because, in your red hearts, you all know we are about to get 4 or 5 years of the same shit that this current govt have served up. Just under a different colour flag.
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I doubt very much they would remove all interest payments.
You won’t see this on the side of a bus either as people are generally not interested in how governments cost and budget for large scale policy change.
What people are taking notice of are tax thresholds increasing, fuel duty cuts, energy vat cuts.
Latest yougov poll has reform 2 points behind the tories.
Somewhat academic given that we are probably looking at a Liebore govt.
Liebore will get their chance to govern again. People can happily wave their red flags thinking that change is coming.
It isn’t. And I can’t help but think that the bickering from the left side of the fence on here, is because, in your red hearts, you all know we are about to get 4 or 5 years of the same shit that this current govt have served up. Just under a different colour flag.
You don't need to doubt it.
They say it in their own manifesto.
They say it would save £30bn/year. Even though the BoE is currently paying out £23bn/year and that's falling asleep QT extends.
You want to bite for them. Go read their manifesto.
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Living in Northern Ireland the only option I have is 'Other', probably the Alliance Party
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End of play, day 3.
Labour 40 (54.8%)
Reform 15 (20.5%)
Green 7 (9.6%)
Lib Dem 5 (6.8%)
Conservative 3 (4.1%)
Other 3 (4.1%)
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Notice we've had one defector from the Tories. I wonder where they've defected to?
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The one thing Farage does is frighten the establishment, never a mention by Lord Haw HAW Billy who concentrated all his posts attacking the Tories up to the last weekend.
Now he is broadcasting to the world on here his character assassination of who he sees as the main threat now to his idea of the promised land.
Get ready Billy, if he is in it for the long haul all the three established parties are in trouble, and now the Labour Party are siding with the Palestinian's and making noises about a two state way to peace, to keep their Islamist voters on side, they are doing two things, inviting in a fifth column with their own agenda and alienating their core support especially in the red wall constituencies. and he will exploit any weakness shown when in opposition.
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Country Sports, it's nothing to do with hunting, they are referring to every where's equivalent to Askern's Mucky Lane wey hey.
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Has anyone else done the quiz thing? I'd be really interested to know if it makes anyone reconsider their voting preference.
If you were planning to vote for a party but you only had 50% preference in common with their manifesto would that sway you?
For the record, although they're not my most ideologically aligned I'm sticking with the Lib Dems as I'm in a position in my local party in which I would hope to influence policy from within rather than jump ship to someone else whenever there's a small variance. Had the party ranked much further down the list I would be seriously considering looking into the alternatives in more detail.
I have and I worry it's authentic because I've no intention of voting for the one it reckons I align with (and it surprises me).
82% Conservative#
68% Reclaim
54% Lib Dem
54% UKIP
51% Labour
50% Rejoin EU (surprised that was higher than 0%)
Loads of others in the high 40s.
Really surprised me, but I suspect it's the taxes, economic elements that sway it. It's very hard given the categories though because most of my answers would be yes/no but only if etc..... Politics isn't simple!
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Yes, Pud there were a few questions on which I clicked for more options but still didn't find anything that resembled my criteria for answering as I would like. I still think that as a broadly directional tool with a tolerance of +/-5% it's a useful exercise.
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I don't understand how taxes can be cut so significantly whilst spending so much?
Complete privatisation of the NHS would save £192bn in spend and no doubt bring in a hefty chunk of revenue from those private healthcare providers for whom they pledge to cut tax. Make no mistake, Farage is desperate for us to have a healthcare system like the USA. Ask any American who has spent time living in the UK and they will tell you how crippling that would be to the public. I'm amazed that anyone buys this "Nige is a man of the people speaking common sense" bullshit.
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Just done the quiz 80%Tory%UKIP, 60% Lib Dem 52% Labour
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If this is the first TikTok election, you might be surprised at who's winning.
On the youngest, buzziest social media platform, Reform UK - whose vote tends somewhat towards the elderly - has the most followers, 125,500, just ahead of Labour on 108,500. (Dated 30 May)
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If this is the first TikTok election, you might be surprised at who's winning.
On the youngest, buzziest social media platform, Reform UK - whose vote tends somewhat towards the elderly - has the most followers, 125,500, just ahead of Labour on 108,500. (Dated 30 May)
I'm just imagining who occupies the Venn Diagram overlap between RefUK supporters and TikTok users...
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Finally read their manifesto. Decent to be fair.
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No Reform candidate standing in Doncaster North apparently.
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No Reform candidate standing in Doncaster North apparently.
That's a shame would have been a good runner up.
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I imagine they're going to concentrate their resources in seats they can steal from the tories
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Reform has lost a vote in this poll, seemingly to the Tories.
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I imagine they're going to concentrate their resources in seats they can steal from the tories
Polls have them forecast to come 2nd in Doncaster central. I'm in edenthorpe where I'm sure weirdly we had a ukip councillor at some point.
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Looks like the Greens have conceded one to the Tories also.
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Looks like the Greens have conceded one to the Tories also.
That's an odd switch.
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End of play, day 4.
Labour 42 (55.3%)
Reform 15 (19.7%)
Green 6 (7.9%)
Conservative 5 (6.6%)
Lib Dem 5 (6.6%)
Other 3 (3.9%)
Total Members Voted: 76
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Come on,admit who is the daft facker that has multiple voted for the Tories?
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Liebore have lost a vote
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Looks like Labour has lost one to Reform!
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Where do I apply for a Postal Vote?
And can you send me a hundred in case I make a mistake?
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It looks like the majority have made a mistake so you wouldn't be alone.
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Maybe some people are pissing about with the voting.
Perhaps the poll shouldn’t have the option of removing the vote, it can’t be done during the election.
Once someone has voted they have to live with the consequences.
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Maybe some people are pissing about with the voting.
Perhaps the poll shouldn’t have the option of removing the vote, it can’t be done during the election.
Once someone has voted they have to live with the consequences.
People on this site not telling the truth hound - shocked I am...
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The idea of thread was partly to see if debates influenced opinions, hence the option to change vote.
So far it looks like it does, albeit slightly.
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Ive not voted in the poll, i would prefer to read the party manifestos to see what we're about to be "promised" this time.
But after watching that complete waste of time last night i don't have any great hopes for our democracy.
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It’s fun swapping votes and watching the giddiness
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It’s fun swapping votes and watching the giddiness
Maybe if someone has the time they can do some Bulltt points of each parties Manifesto, a big ask but I do know some of our members like that sort of thing,
Tories, Defence Tax Cuts and, National service.Labour
Defence no tax cuts, tax increases on high earners which equates to anyone paying 40%, SNP High taxes, Re join Europe, independence from UK.
They seem to be the sort of things that spring to mind!
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Here's some sprot:
Tories
Rise in cost of living, interest rates.
Reduction in quality of water
Rise in NHS waiting list
Total f**k-up of policing.
Rise in court delays
Overcrowding in prisons
Reduction in quality of teaching
Reduction of school building maintenance
Happy for others to add to list
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Sprot asked for bullet points from Party manifestos, not wish lists from a Labour supporter.
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Fan boy.
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Looks like the Greens have conceded one to the Tories also.
That's an odd switch.
Looks like the Greens have conceded one to the Tories also.
That's an odd switch.
Looks like the Greens have conceded one to the Tories also.
That's an odd switch.
Obviously a Green voter who is quite keen on exploiting North Sea fossil fuels as much as possible...
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If this is the first TikTok election, you might be surprised at who's winning.
On the youngest, buzziest social media platform, Reform UK - whose vote tends somewhat towards the elderly - has the most followers, 125,500, just ahead of Labour on 108,500. (Dated 30 May)
124,000 bots, 500 mouth-breathers and 500 watching the car crash.
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End of play, day 7.
Labour 42 (53.8%)
Reform 16 (20.5%)
Green 6 (7.7%)
Conservative 5 (6.4%)
Lib Dem 5 (6.4%)
Other 4 (5.1%)
Total Members Voted: 78
Reform gains one vote!
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Scary that 21% of us think we'll never be ill or unlucky enough to need healthcare.
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Scary that 21% of us think we'll never be ill or unlucky enough to need healthcare.
I’m not a Reform or Farage supporter but that’s quite misleading what you’ve just said there Mike.
Reform have been expressed interest in a “French-style” healthcare system that combines public funding with health insurance. The government generally refunds 70% of costs in France.
The WHO have said it provides some of the best healthcare in the world.
Although I’m baffled as to why Reform want to leave the WHO?? Very strange.
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It's a slippery slope though. They know that they can't go to a US style system straight away so they need to get people onboard with paying health insurance on a smaller scale first. Then it's a gradual process to dismantle the NHS through actions like giving tax benefits to private providers (which is in the Reform manifesto), making it more attractive for healthcare professionals to leave NHS practice. Then the NHS becomes untenable so there is "no choice" but to go wholly private. That's the long game. And you can name your price on Farage, Tice et al being on the receiving end of some fat cheques from the private healthcare lobby.
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It's a slippery slope though. They know that they can't go to a US style system straight away so they need to get people onboard with paying health insurance on a smaller scale first. Then it's a gradual process to dismantle the NHS through actions like giving tax benefits to private providers (which is in the Reform manifesto), making it more attractive for healthcare professionals to leave NHS practice. Then the NHS becomes untenable so there is "no choice" but to go wholly private. That's the long game. And you can name your price on Farage, Tice et al being on the receiving end of some fat cheques from the private healthcare lobby.
The shadow health spokesman himself has pushed for more private interventions into the NHS
Im also quite sure that the private hospital in DRI is manned almost entirely by staff who also work for the NHS, so i very much doubt that these consultants,doctors and nurses will be leaving the NHS any time soon.
Seems to me that we are already on a trajectory towards private services running parallel within the NHS.
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We do have private services in parallel with the NHS and that's freedom of choice in operation. What we shouldn't have is a system in which health insurance is mandatory.
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With the appropriate controls in place I really don't see the issue in the NHS accessing support from the private sector. As our population ages even further, perhaps it's unrealistic for the NHS to deliver each stage of health care? For example, there's a few not for profit healthcare organisations that do already help out apparently.
It's when we get these people saying that parts of the NHS could/should be sold off and we move to an insurance based system that I worry. Reforms policy of reducing tax for private health firms is a concern for me.
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It's a slippery slope though. They know that they can't go to a US style system straight away so they need to get people onboard with paying health insurance on a smaller scale first. Then it's a gradual process to dismantle the NHS through actions like giving tax benefits to private providers (which is in the Reform manifesto), making it more attractive for healthcare professionals to leave NHS practice. Then the NHS becomes untenable so there is "no choice" but to go wholly private. That's the long game. And you can name your price on Farage, Tice et al being on the receiving end of some fat cheques from the private healthcare lobby.
Farage was recorded 10 years ago giving a speech where he said he wanted us to go to an insurance system (i.e. American style).
He's a slippery f**ker. He's said what he actually believes many times over. Then when it comes back to bite him, he either denies he ever said it, or he says he's changed his mind.
Like f**k he has. But among he disciples, he's a straight up honest man. You do wonder how they don't get fleeced every time they leave the house.
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A few years back I had a hernia op I was given the options of NHS hospitals in Mansfield or Newark or a private hospital 2 miles from where I live, guess which one I picked
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The one nearest the bus stop?
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Billy, just a couple of years ago Stabber Starmer backed Corbyn, before that he was leading groups including Saubry acrooss the channel to overturn a democratic vote by the people of this country.
He has more faces than a diamond and will attach himself to any piece of sh*t until they are of no use to him, then comes out the old stiletto in the back.
He is a Quisling of the highest order
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Go on Selby. Close your eyes and squeeze really hard.
Big push.
Get it all out. You'll feel champion then.
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Just giving this a bump to see if there's been any change of mind from the floating voters.
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Yep, I'm probably voting reform now.
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Im still undecided, i've read the manifestoes and i seriously don't believe a word from any of them, some are so vague it's embarrassing and some are promising the world on a plate.
Greens and Reform, WTF.
Its looking like spoiling the ballot is still favourite.
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Form reading your contributions I guess your views are with the moderate right.
If I was in your boat I'd be scratching my head a bit too. The Tories are a car crash and they've lurched to the right thanks to loons like Patel, Braverman et al. Reform are far right pretending to be in touch with the common people in order to further their self-centred agenda at the cost of the people they claim to represent.
I guess I'd be voting Labour in your position as the current party ideology is more aligned to the 1990s Tories than 1980s Labour.
I'm hoping that the LDs pick up a bigger chunk of the vote from people interested in fairness, equality and kindness rather than buying into this divisive culture war bullshit.
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A good opinion of the situation, I won’t vote Labour as they may not be able to hold off the fractious elements waiting in the Wings, I wouldn’t vote Reform or Green, 2 sets of idiots!
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
mostly old and male
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
mostly old and male
Cynicism personified .
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
mostly old and male
Cynicism personified .
Show me that I'm wrong
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
mostly old and male
Prove you are right and how you know.
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
mostly old and male
Prove you are right and how you know.
The double standards this fella demonstrates on a regular basis is staggering if not typical.
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
Don't assume that everyone on this forum still live in or around Donny
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
mostly old and male
Prove you are right and how you know.
The double standards this fella demonstrates on a regular basis is staggering if not typical.
the tim vine thread is over there
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
mostly old and male
Prove you are right and how you know.
The double standards this fella demonstrates on a regular basis is staggering if not typical.
the tim vine thread is over there
Sorry mate, your the biggest joke.
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
mostly old and male
Cynicism personified .
Show me that I'm wrong
Show me that you’re right. I was commenting on this poll. You were commenting on your opinion.
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
Don't assume that everyone on this forum still live in or around Donny
Which would make the vote equally interesting.
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Now 21%
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Now 21%
Reform are a good fit from what I have seen of your posts nr, I hope he gets smashed on July 4.
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
And still some on here complain about people using terms like 'thick as mince'.
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
Get your Blood pressure checked sounds like your having a heat attack!
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
Get your Blood pressure checked sounds like your having a heat attack!
I’m quite calm thanks,going out leafleting for the Labour Party in a bit. Fancy joining me for a nice walk?
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Back in the day I used to attend lots of counter demonstrations when the NF and BM were marching in London. They’d often use terms like ‘invasion’ to describe people of different ethnicities living in England. We used to try and reason with these people but it’d often end up in a battle. Not good.
The thing is, they were openly and often unashamedly racist. Now, with sections of the Reform supporters, it’s more subtle and is hiding behind the veneer of being a ‘respectable political party’ (though I get it’s actually a limited company).
I find it all very chilling that people are so easily falling for this.
People coming over to England on boats or immigrants moving to England have absolutely no power or control over who we are or what we do. The roots of the problems in the country lie solely with those that have the power.
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20% of the vote so far for reform. On a tier 4 footy forum based on a club in a labour stronghold.
Interesting.
mostly old and male
Prove you are right and how you know.
The double standards this fella demonstrates on a regular basis is staggering if not typical.
To be fair to Syd, a while back there was a thread on here around who we were and it did reveal that we are mostly male and old!!
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It mostly falls on stony ground HA, some obviously like what they hear from the tele and murdoch media and lap it up without using reason.
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Funnily enough, just as I was going out leafleting, the Reform flyer dropped through my letterbox.
Apparently this is the ‘Immigration Election’ That’s the main issue folks.
Stop the boats
Stop immigration, unless you’re a doctor.
Ditch the ECHR.
That’s about it
w**kers.
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
What's he said that's racist?
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
What's he said that's racist?
Off the top of my head...
Claiming that Muslims don't share British values is fairly racist
Claiming that Muslims wanted to form a 'fifth column; to kill us all is fairly racist
Comparing the Black Lives Matter movement as a 'new Taliban' is fairly racist
All of these were a huge surprise to my Muslim and Black friends who've probably done more good for this country and the people in it that Farage ever has or will do.
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
What's he said that's racist?
Off the top of my head...
Claiming that Muslims don't share British values is fairly racist
Claiming that Muslims wanted to form a 'fifth column; to kill us all is fairly racist
Comparing the Black Lives Matter movement as a 'new Taliban' is fairly racist
All of these were a huge surprise to my Muslim and Black friends who've probably done more good for this country and the people in it that Farage ever has or will do.
That's just the overtime stuff.
There's dog whistle racism from him every day.
Then there was that Leni Reifenstahl type poster that he unveiled during the Referendum on the very day that a far right headcases shot an MP in the face.
The poster that he said showed an invasion coming our way, when it actually showed people fleeing Syria into Jordan, escaping Russian bombing that he said showed what a great leader Putin was.
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
What's he said that's racist?
Off the top of my head...
Claiming that Muslims don't share British values is fairly racist
Claiming that Muslims wanted to form a 'fifth column; to kill us all is fairly racist
Comparing the Black Lives Matter movement as a 'new Taliban' is fairly racist
All of these were a huge surprise to my Muslim and Black friends who've probably done more good for this country and the people in it that Farage ever has or will do.
Link to those quotes please in context?
I'll wait.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/25/undecided-voters-uk-general-election-polls
Seems like real people on the ground are still not convinced. Yet the opinion polls are screaming something else?
Ive spoken to people in my area who have been Tory voters in the past and not one of them has suggested that they will be voting Labour, its been mainly none of the above followed by a few reform and lib-dem.
We all know that their is a silent majority who don't want to advertise their preferences, certainly not to pollsters. but this still seems very irregular.
Seems like we will just have to wait to see what the true outcome will be, i'd be surprised if some of the recent media guestimates are anywhere near reality.
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
What's he said that's racist?
Off the top of my head...
Claiming that Muslims don't share British values is fairly racist
Claiming that Muslims wanted to form a 'fifth column; to kill us all is fairly racist
Comparing the Black Lives Matter movement as a 'new Taliban' is fairly racist
All of these were a huge surprise to my Muslim and Black friends who've probably done more good for this country and the people in it that Farage ever has or will do.
Link to those quotes please in context?
I'll wait.
Tony,
Try searching:
"Farage, Muslims don't share British Values"
"Farage, Muslim Fifth Column"
"Farage Black Lives Matter, Taliban"
Let us know what you find AND let us know if you agree with it.
I'll wait
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
What's he said that's racist?
Off the top of my head...
Claiming that Muslims don't share British values is fairly racist
Claiming that Muslims wanted to form a 'fifth column; to kill us all is fairly racist
Comparing the Black Lives Matter movement as a 'new Taliban' is fairly racist
All of these were a huge surprise to my Muslim and Black friends who've probably done more good for this country and the people in it that Farage ever has or will do.
Link to those quotes please in context?
I'll wait.
Tony,
Try searching:
"Farage, Muslims don't share British Values"
"Farage, Muslim Fifth Column"
"Farage Black Lives Matter, Taliban"
Let us know what you find AND let us know if you agree with it.
I'll wait
No, YOUR accusing him, so YOU prove it.
Still waiting
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/25/undecided-voters-uk-general-election-polls
Seems like real people on the ground are still not convinced. Yet the opinion polls are screaming something else?
Ive spoken to people in my area who have been Tory voters in the past and not one of them has suggested that they will be voting Labour, its been mainly none of the above followed by a few reform and lib-dem.
We all know that their is a silent majority who don't want to advertise their preferences, certainly not to pollsters. but this still seems very irregular.
Seems like we will just have to wait to see what the true outcome will be, i'd be surprised if some of the recent media guestimates are anywhere near reality.
I agree that the polls do seem a bit extreme in terms of the level of the Labour victory. I don't think we'll see anything like the size of the majority some polls have predicted. Saying that, even a small Labour majority would be an incredible result given their starting position.
A friend of mine and his wife are lifelong Tories but are voting Labour this time. Fairly reluctantly to be fair as they feel politically homeless being centre right traditionally. They feel the Tories have gone too far to the right, Lib Dems as a wasted vote and Reform as an extremist party.
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
What's he said that's racist?
Off the top of my head...
Claiming that Muslims don't share British values is fairly racist
Claiming that Muslims wanted to form a 'fifth column; to kill us all is fairly racist
Comparing the Black Lives Matter movement as a 'new Taliban' is fairly racist
All of these were a huge surprise to my Muslim and Black friends who've probably done more good for this country and the people in it that Farage ever has or will do.
Link to those quotes please in context?
I'll wait.
Tony,
Try searching:
"Farage, Muslims don't share British Values"
"Farage, Muslim Fifth Column"
"Farage Black Lives Matter, Taliban"
Let us know what you find AND let us know if you agree with it.
I'll wait
No, YOUR accusing him, so YOU prove it.
I don't need to prove anything to you. I've shared with you when he's been racist and they're just off the top of my head. If I begin to search, maybe it'll never end? Maybe if you search you'll begin to find things that you don't like and shatter your illusions? However, as it's a sunny day, I'm off work and I'm in a good mood I'll help you out a bit with a clue. Check out why he left LBC.
I'll wait.
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Anyone with half a brain should know that Farage is a high end racist, even when he sometimes cloaks his views by cleverly implying things and then backtracking.
He’s constantly sewing his divisive, racist seeds.
Like I’ve said before the rise of parties like his throughout Europe is as dangerous as Putin.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/25/undecided-voters-uk-general-election-polls
Seems like real people on the ground are still not convinced. Yet the opinion polls are screaming something else?
Ive spoken to people in my area who have been Tory voters in the past and not one of them has suggested that they will be voting Labour, its been mainly none of the above followed by a few reform and lib-dem.
We all know that their is a silent majority who don't want to advertise their preferences, certainly not to pollsters. but this still seems very irregular.
Seems like we will just have to wait to see what the true outcome will be, i'd be surprised if some of the recent media guestimates are anywhere near reality.
Hound wants to know their names, addresses, phone numbers and when you spoke them.
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Muslims are a follower of Islam and therefore a religion not a race
That would apply to Jews also then?
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Muslims are a follower of Islam and therefore a religion not a race
That would apply to Jews also then?
Yes
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Muslims are a follower of Islam and therefore a religion not a race
That would apply to Jews also then?
Yes
I'm glad that's sorted
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/25/undecided-voters-uk-general-election-polls
Seems like real people on the ground are still not convinced. Yet the opinion polls are screaming something else?
Ive spoken to people in my area who have been Tory voters in the past and not one of them has suggested that they will be voting Labour, its been mainly none of the above followed by a few reform and lib-dem.
We all know that their is a silent majority who don't want to advertise their preferences, certainly not to pollsters. but this still seems very irregular.
Seems like we will just have to wait to see what the true outcome will be, i'd be surprised if some of the recent media guestimates are anywhere near reality.
Hound wants to know their names, addresses, phone numbers and when you spoke them.
That is rich coming from you Syd.
Asking everyone for links and evidence is your forte.
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I'm a bit lost and still undecided between three parties. But I just don't see anything inspiring from any of them, a bit like the England game.
I'm a bit behind though as been abroad the last week, appears the focus is on betting, because clearly that fixes all of our lives.
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I'm a bit lost and still undecided between three parties. But I just don't see anything inspiring from any of them, a bit like the England game.
I'm a bit behind though as been abroad the last week, appears the focus is on betting, because clearly that fixes all of our lives.
You're not trying hard enough pud, you did vote for this ''shower of shit'' 4 times in a row.
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
What's he said that's racist?
Off the top of my head...
Claiming that Muslims don't share British values is fairly racist
Claiming that Muslims wanted to form a 'fifth column; to kill us all is fairly racist
Comparing the Black Lives Matter movement as a 'new Taliban' is fairly racist
All of these were a huge surprise to my Muslim and Black friends who've probably done more good for this country and the people in it that Farage ever has or will do.
Link to those quotes please in context?
I'll wait.
Tony,
Try searching:
"Farage, Muslims don't share British Values"
"Farage, Muslim Fifth Column"
"Farage Black Lives Matter, Taliban"
Let us know what you find AND let us know if you agree with it.
I'll wait
No, YOUR accusing him, so YOU prove it.
I don't need to prove anything to you. I've shared with you when he's been racist and they're just off the top of my head. If I begin to search, maybe it'll never end? Maybe if you search you'll begin to find things that you don't like and shatter your illusions? However, as it's a sunny day, I'm off work and I'm in a good mood I'll help you out a bit with a clue. Check out why he left LBC.
I'll wait.
Ah, so you can't find any proof then?
Right. I'll stop waiting then.
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
What's he said that's racist?
Off the top of my head...
Claiming that Muslims don't share British values is fairly racist
Claiming that Muslims wanted to form a 'fifth column; to kill us all is fairly racist
Comparing the Black Lives Matter movement as a 'new Taliban' is fairly racist
All of these were a huge surprise to my Muslim and Black friends who've probably done more good for this country and the people in it that Farage ever has or will do.
Link to those quotes please in context?
I'll wait.
Tony,
Try searching:
"Farage, Muslims don't share British Values"
"Farage, Muslim Fifth Column"
"Farage Black Lives Matter, Taliban"
Let us know what you find AND let us know if you agree with it.
I'll wait
No, YOUR accusing him, so YOU prove it.
I don't need to prove anything to you. I've shared with you when he's been racist and they're just off the top of my head. If I begin to search, maybe it'll never end? Maybe if you search you'll begin to find things that you don't like and shatter your illusions? However, as it's a sunny day, I'm off work and I'm in a good mood I'll help you out a bit with a clue. Check out why he left LBC.
I'll wait.
Ah, so you can't find any proof then?
Right. I'll stop waiting then.
Wait no longer, I've posted it before, this is from people very close to him and knew him well, enjoy-or not.
''‘He was a deeply unembarrassed racist’: Nigel Farage, by those who have known him''
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2024/jun/14/he-was-a-deeply-unembarrassed-racist-nigel-farage-by-those-who-have-known-him
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I guess now proof that farage is a racist git is out there and nobody has answered my previous question to name anything positive he has done for the UK or the people in it ........... what good would it serve having him as an mp, who could he please except other racists?
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20 of you, that’s nearly a quarter of those who’ve voted, have been charmed by a racist,Trump loving far right divisive bigot who only cares about himself and his bank balance.
Some people never learn.
What's he said that's racist?
Off the top of my head...
Claiming that Muslims don't share British values is fairly racist
Claiming that Muslims wanted to form a 'fifth column; to kill us all is fairly racist
Comparing the Black Lives Matter movement as a 'new Taliban' is fairly racist
All of these were a huge surprise to my Muslim and Black friends who've probably done more good for this country and the people in it that Farage ever has or will do.
Link to those quotes please in context?
I'll wait.
Tony,
Try searching:
"Farage, Muslims don't share British Values"
"Farage, Muslim Fifth Column"
"Farage Black Lives Matter, Taliban"
Let us know what you find AND let us know if you agree with it.
I'll wait
No, YOUR accusing him, so YOU prove it.
I don't need to prove anything to you. I've shared with you when he's been racist and they're just off the top of my head. If I begin to search, maybe it'll never end? Maybe if you search you'll begin to find things that you don't like and shatter your illusions? However, as it's a sunny day, I'm off work and I'm in a good mood I'll help you out a bit with a clue. Check out why he left LBC.
I'll wait.
Ah, so you can't find any proof then?
Right. I'll stop waiting then.
Tony, it's absolutely ok, I get it. Nobody likes to have their views challenged and proved wrong, but really, trying to defend Farage leaves you on thin ice and surely you're smart enough to know this? You don't want to search for yourself because you're a little worried about what you know you'll find! Look, I'm sure you're a very decent fella and you're not alone in falling for Farage's bullshit. Lots of people seem to be right now, but the bigger person is the one who stands for what's right and deep down, I'm sure that you do know what Farage is and what he stands for. You want what's best for the country and its people, whatever their creed, religion or colour and yet you're frustrated with the other political parties, so you think that Farage is the man to 'shake things up a bit' as he represents the majority doesn't he? Well, no he doesn't.... he wants to slash public services, sell off the NHS and introduce an insurance based scheme and cut taxes for the rich. The painful truth is that he really, really doesn't give a toss about you or I. Even less than the other parties do. And if you happen to be of a race, creed , religion, ethnicity or class that he doesn't like then he'd do everything that he can to make your life as difficult as possible.
Finally, because I like you Tony and I don't really think that you're a bad egg at all, I'm going to help you out by sharing just a snippet of why I don't like Farage.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nigel-farage-leaves-lbc-show-black-lives-matter-taliban-comments-2020-6
You're welcome.
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Bloody hell, 1 in 5 people on this site are 'far right', and in the Republic of South Yorkshire en'all!
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Including you eh BB eh?
Go on you know you want to.
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Now make your mind up tt! Aren't I a staunch, raving, Johnson-loving Tory?
Am I going to have to add disloyalty to my lying, thick, stupid, racist, fascist CV?
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Anyone with half a brain should know that Farage is a high end racist, even when he sometimes cloaks his views by cleverly implying things and then backtracking.
He’s constantly sewing his divisive, racist seeds.
Like I’ve said before the rise of parties like his throughout Europe is as dangerous as Putin.
I'll have to take your word for that, tt.
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Bloody hell, 1 in 5 people on this site are 'far right', and in the Republic of South Yorkshire en'all!
How many of the French population, are far right ?
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People talking about "far right" was that not the NF, BNP?
Crazy when you think about it, we have people on here today who are going to vote for a party who are to the right of previous versions of both Tory and Liberals, Tories who are to the left of previous versions of Labour!
Its becoming a very muddled middle ground, pick a version of a centrist party, you have many to choose from, not a great deal of difference between them when it comes to the actual implantation of policy.
Whoever was going to win the GE was always going to be implementing a broad range of their policy in exactly the same way.
This is going to store up a good deal of issues going forward leading to some pretty unsavoury choices down the line. A party with vision would be able to take that into consideration and plan to ensure the future does not look dire.
Do we have anyone with that vision?
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People talking about "far right" was that not the NF, BNP?
Crazy when you think about it, we have people on here today who are going to vote for a party who are to the right of previous versions of both Tory and Liberals, Tories who are to the left of previous versions of Labour!
Its becoming a very muddled middle ground, pick a version of a centrist party, you have many to choose from, not a great deal of difference between them when it comes to the actual implantation of policy.
Whoever was going to win the GE was always going to be implementing a broad range of their policy in exactly the same way.
This is going to store up a good deal of issues going forward leading to some pretty unsavoury choices down the line. A party with vision would be able to take that into consideration and plan to ensure the future does not look dire.
Do we have anyone with that vision?
Here's your chance to name policies with vision that you would support dd.
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People talking about "far right" was that not the NF, BNP?
Crazy when you think about it, we have people on here today who are going to vote for a party who are to the right of previous versions of both Tory and Liberals, Tories who are to the left of previous versions of Labour!
Its becoming a very muddled middle ground, pick a version of a centrist party, you have many to choose from, not a great deal of difference between them when it comes to the actual implantation of policy.
Whoever was going to win the GE was always going to be implementing a broad range of their policy in exactly the same way.
This is going to store up a good deal of issues going forward leading to some pretty unsavoury choices down the line. A party with vision would be able to take that into consideration and plan to ensure the future does not look dire.
Do we have anyone with that vision?
Here's your chance to name policies with vision that you would support dd.
What would be the point in that?
The way the country is now governed is not going to change, i don't know if you've noticed being an immigrant and all that, but the whole political apparatus is now rigged to such an extent that going forwards we will have the same choices, there's no such thing as right and left wing anymore, that gone and any parties that push that narrative are going to be in the wilderness until such a time as the country gets so fed up and has had its fill of politicians telling the nation what's going to happen, should it not be the other way around?
Regardless of who you vote for in this election when it comes down to the actual process of implementing policy we are going to be getting virtually the same from whoever's in power. Taxes will rise, services will be cut and the same issues we have now will just multiply as we go forward.
No such thing as Labour, Tory and Liberal any more, just a bunch of social democrats who cannot see beyond their noses.
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People talking about "far right" was that not the NF, BNP?
Crazy when you think about it, we have people on here today who are going to vote for a party who are to the right of previous versions of both Tory and Liberals, Tories who are to the left of previous versions of Labour!
Its becoming a very muddled middle ground, pick a version of a centrist party, you have many to choose from, not a great deal of difference between them when it comes to the actual implantation of policy.
Whoever was going to win the GE was always going to be implementing a broad range of their policy in exactly the same way.
This is going to store up a good deal of issues going forward leading to some pretty unsavoury choices down the line. A party with vision would be able to take that into consideration and plan to ensure the future does not look dire.
Do we have anyone with that vision?
Here's your chance to name policies with vision that you would support dd.
What would be the point in that?
The way the country is now governed is not going to change, i don't know if you've noticed being an immigrant and all that, but the whole political apparatus is now rigged to such an extent that going forwards we will have the same choices, there's no such thing as right and left wing anymore, that gone and any parties that push that narrative are going to be in the wilderness until such a time as the country gets so fed up and has had its fill of politicians telling the nation what's going to happen, should it not be the other way around?
Regardless of who you vote for in this election when it comes down to the actual process of implementing policy we are going to be getting virtually the same from whoever's in power. Taxes will rise, services will be cut and the same issues we have now will just multiply as we go forward.
No such thing as Labour, Tory and Liberal any more, just a bunch of social democrats who cannot see beyond their noses.
It would show you are not just flannelling and do have an idea of what you really want.
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People talking about "far right" was that not the NF, BNP?
Crazy when you think about it, we have people on here today who are going to vote for a party who are to the right of previous versions of both Tory and Liberals, Tories who are to the left of previous versions of Labour!
Its becoming a very muddled middle ground, pick a version of a centrist party, you have many to choose from, not a great deal of difference between them when it comes to the actual implantation of policy.
Whoever was going to win the GE was always going to be implementing a broad range of their policy in exactly the same way.
This is going to store up a good deal of issues going forward leading to some pretty unsavoury choices down the line. A party with vision would be able to take that into consideration and plan to ensure the future does not look dire.
Do we have anyone with that vision?
Here's your chance to name policies with vision that you would support dd.
What would be the point in that?
The way the country is now governed is not going to change, i don't know if you've noticed being an immigrant and all that, but the whole political apparatus is now rigged to such an extent that going forwards we will have the same choices, there's no such thing as right and left wing anymore, that gone and any parties that push that narrative are going to be in the wilderness until such a time as the country gets so fed up and has had its fill of politicians telling the nation what's going to happen, should it not be the other way around?
Regardless of who you vote for in this election when it comes down to the actual process of implementing policy we are going to be getting virtually the same from whoever's in power. Taxes will rise, services will be cut and the same issues we have now will just multiply as we go forward.
No such thing as Labour, Tory and Liberal any more, just a bunch of social democrats who cannot see beyond their noses.
It would show you are not just flannelling and do have an idea of what you really want.
Would that be the same flanneling that you subject every poor bugger on here to constantly? that one?
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People talking about "far right" was that not the NF, BNP?
Crazy when you think about it, we have people on here today who are going to vote for a party who are to the right of previous versions of both Tory and Liberals, Tories who are to the left of previous versions of Labour!
Its becoming a very muddled middle ground, pick a version of a centrist party, you have many to choose from, not a great deal of difference between them when it comes to the actual implantation of policy.
Whoever was going to win the GE was always going to be implementing a broad range of their policy in exactly the same way.
This is going to store up a good deal of issues going forward leading to some pretty unsavoury choices down the line. A party with vision would be able to take that into consideration and plan to ensure the future does not look dire.
Do we have anyone with that vision?
Here's your chance to name policies with vision that you would support dd.
What would be the point in that?
The way the country is now governed is not going to change, i don't know if you've noticed being an immigrant and all that, but the whole political apparatus is now rigged to such an extent that going forwards we will have the same choices, there's no such thing as right and left wing anymore, that gone and any parties that push that narrative are going to be in the wilderness until such a time as the country gets so fed up and has had its fill of politicians telling the nation what's going to happen, should it not be the other way around?
Regardless of who you vote for in this election when it comes down to the actual process of implementing policy we are going to be getting virtually the same from whoever's in power. Taxes will rise, services will be cut and the same issues we have now will just multiply as we go forward.
No such thing as Labour, Tory and Liberal any more, just a bunch of social democrats who cannot see beyond their noses.
It would show you are not just flannelling and do have an idea of what you really want.
Would that be the same flanneling that you subject every poor bugger on here to constantly? that one?
It's asking the same of you that you ask others is all, if you don't know just say so.
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People talking about "far right" was that not the NF, BNP?
Crazy when you think about it, we have people on here today who are going to vote for a party who are to the right of previous versions of both Tory and Liberals, Tories who are to the left of previous versions of Labour!
Its becoming a very muddled middle ground, pick a version of a centrist party, you have many to choose from, not a great deal of difference between them when it comes to the actual implantation of policy.
Whoever was going to win the GE was always going to be implementing a broad range of their policy in exactly the same way.
This is going to store up a good deal of issues going forward leading to some pretty unsavoury choices down the line. A party with vision would be able to take that into consideration and plan to ensure the future does not look dire.
Do we have anyone with that vision?
Here's your chance to name policies with vision that you would support dd.
What would be the point in that?
The way the country is now governed is not going to change, i don't know if you've noticed being an immigrant and all that, but the whole political apparatus is now rigged to such an extent that going forwards we will have the same choices, there's no such thing as right and left wing anymore, that gone and any parties that push that narrative are going to be in the wilderness until such a time as the country gets so fed up and has had its fill of politicians telling the nation what's going to happen, should it not be the other way around?
Regardless of who you vote for in this election when it comes down to the actual process of implementing policy we are going to be getting virtually the same from whoever's in power. Taxes will rise, services will be cut and the same issues we have now will just multiply as we go forward.
No such thing as Labour, Tory and Liberal any more, just a bunch of social democrats who cannot see beyond their noses.
It would show you are not just flannelling and do have an idea of what you really want.
Would that be the same flanneling that you subject every poor bugger on here to constantly? that one?
It's asking the same of you that you ask others is all, if you don't know just say so.
Should not the whole forum be asking you the same question?
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No just you dd you're the one that said you want people with vision, yet here you are, can't name one policy with vision that you want.
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No just you dd you're the one that said you want people with vision, yet here you are, can't name one policy with vision that you want.
I'm to take it then that you don't want people with vision to lead this country?
This is not surprising given you want a Starmer government, he has zero vision, as we all are about to find out.
I'll remind you of this when the time is right.
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Switched to Labour.
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Switched to Labour.
Same. Tactical voting.
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18.9% on here voting for Reform. Very small sample of people of course.
I hope that’s not a reflection of the whole country.
If people can’t see through Farage for what he is then Heaven help us all.
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18.9% on here voting for Reform. Very small sample of people of course.
I hope that’s not a reflection of the whole country.
If people can’t see through Farage for what he is then Heaven help us all.
As previously said or implied CR this is not a truly random poll but more of a captured audience of mainly old men guessing most over 45. It is showing more support for reform than national polls.
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18.9% on here voting for Reform. Very small sample of people of course.
I hope that’s not a reflection of the whole country.
If people can’t see through Farage for what he is then Heaven help us all.
As previously said or implied CR this is not a truly random poll but more of a captured audience of mainly old men guessing most over 45. It is showing more support for reform than national polls.
This is the Republic Of South Yorkshire CR, where a Labradoodle would get in if it wore a Red Rosette. I suspect the country in general could have a higher % of Reform voters.
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''Nigel Farage has said he is part of a “similar phenomenon” to the misogynist influencer Andrew Tate, as he claimed that there were forces in society trying to “stop young men from being young men”.
The Reform UK leader used the last day of campaigning before the general election to appear alongside Derek Chisora, the controversial boxer and Reform UK supporter, in a boxing gym in Clacton, where Farage is making his eighth bid to be elected as an MP.
Farage used the visit to speak about what he described as the feelings of “emasculation” among young men, saying: “Look at the football. You know, they’re told: Go to Germany. Please don’t drink more than two pints of beer. You what? Don’t chant at the football matches. You what? Oh, and don’t tell jokes that might offend the Germans. I mean, come on. We are trying to stop young men being young men.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/03/farage-says-he-is-part-of-similar-phenomenon-to-andrew-tate-among-young-men
I just want to say to any of the 18 that have nominated Reform that I'm here for you should you wish to talk about any such problems.
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It's polling day and despite being a Lib Dem member and erstwhile councillor candidate for them I've switched my vote to Labour on a tactical basis so I can metaphorically return the middle finger that Andrea Jenkyns gave the British public.
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It's polling day and despite being a Lib Dem member and erstwhile councillor candidate for them I've switched my vote to Labour on a tactical basis so I can metaphorically return the middle finger that Andrea Jenkyns gave the British public.
Nice one Mike
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Switched to Labour.
Same. Tactical voting.
Tactical voting in Doncaster. Wow. Stick my dog as the labour candidate he picks up a salary of 80-90k a year
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Switched to Labour.
Same. Tactical voting.
Tactical voting in Doncaster. Wow. Stick my dog as the labour candidate he picks up a salary of 80-90k a year
And who has been MP for Don Valley this past 4.5 years?
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Switched to Labour.
Same. Tactical voting.
Tactical voting in Doncaster. Wow. Stick my dog as the labour candidate he picks up a salary of 80-90k a year
And if he gets to be deputy chairman like Ghoulish he gets a pension based on £170k+!!!!
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Switched to Labour.
Same. Tactical voting.
Tactical voting in Doncaster. Wow. Stick my dog as the labour candidate he picks up a salary of 80-90k a year
I'm in Bassetlaw. We have a Tory MP.
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Switched to Labour.
Same. Tactical voting.
Tactical voting in Doncaster. Wow. Stick my dog as the labour candidate he picks up a salary of 80-90k a year
And who has been MP for Don Valley this past 4.5 years?
I always forget about Don Valley.
He won't be tomorrow for sure.
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Switched to Labour.
Same. Tactical voting.
Tactical voting in Doncaster. Wow. Stick my dog as the labour candidate he picks up a salary of 80-90k a year
And who has been MP for Don Valley this past 4.5 years?
I always forget about Don Valley.
He won't be tomorrow for sure.
It will be closer than you think, with a big tory area of the Isle of Axholme incorporated into the new constituency
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Switched to Labour.
Same. Tactical voting.
Tactical voting in Doncaster. Wow. Stick my dog as the labour candidate he picks up a salary of 80-90k a year
And who has been MP for Don Valley this past 4.5 years?
I always forget about Don Valley.
He won't be tomorrow for sure.
It will be closer than you think, with a big tory area of the Isle of Axholme incorporated into the new constituency
Axholme.? That’s a shoe-in for Reform isn’t it.?
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I wonder if Keir Starmer voted Labour, or changed his mind?
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With 14.3% of the vote so far it suggests the old men of the forum have performed well at 20%
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With 14.3% of the vote so far it suggests the old men of the forum have performed well at 20%
If you look at the many constituencies where reform have polled second or third, you will see they have garnered around 20% of the vote for that area, in many cases. I actually think this forum was a fairly good straw poll.
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With 14.3% of the vote so far it suggests the old men of the forum have performed well at 20%
If you look at the many constituencies where reform have polled second or third, you will see they have garnered around 20% of the vote for that area, in many cases. I actually think this forum was a fairly good straw poll.
The forum is not from a single constituency.
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Remember Reform didn't stand candidates in many places (eg Doncaster North). That skews it.
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With 14.3% of the vote so far it suggests the old men of the forum have performed well at 20%
If you look at the many constituencies where reform have polled second or third, you will see they have garnered around 20% of the vote for that area, in many cases. I actually think this forum was a fairly good straw poll.
The forum is not from a single constituency.
And yet you compared the national vote with that of a fourth tier football team forum poll.
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Because I thought the forum is more or less national also