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Title: Ironside departing?
Post by: Branton Rover on June 26, 2024, 10:49:07 am
The Hollywood money men at Wrexham are sniffing around after Joe apparently and Parkinson has apparently targeted him as he wants to link him up again with Paul Mullin.

I’d be gutted to see Joe go, he’s been brilliant for us in the last year and I’d only countenance him leaving if we were to receive a kings ransom for his services. We do have leverage that he’s one year into a 3 year contract and that should be enough to fend off any approach.

Conversely from Joe’s angle he’s not getting any younger and a juicy Wrexham contract on big money would be appealing.

People have speculated that bringing Billy in is with the knowledge of Joe’s likely departure . I don’t see Billy as a like for like Ironside replacement as Billy is highly unlikely to play 90 minutes in every game whereas Joe is incredibly robust given that he only reaches 6ft on tip toes.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Arsenal Of The North on June 26, 2024, 10:53:30 am
I don’t see joe going anywhere.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: RoverinLincs on June 26, 2024, 11:00:03 am
Ironside still has 2 years on his contract doesn’t he?

He fits McCanns style of play, he doesn’t want to do what Marquis did
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: drfcsteve on June 26, 2024, 11:06:48 am
The money Wrexham throw around any player that they want they’ll probably get. Paying Mullin a fortune aren’t they.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Campsall rover on June 26, 2024, 11:13:50 am
Why would Wrexham want Ironside seriously.
They have already got 3 quality strikers. Are they doing a swap or something or is Mullin or Palmer on their way to a Championship club.

Don’t see Ironside going anywhere. I think this is utter rubbish.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Monkcaster_Rover on June 26, 2024, 11:17:58 am
It’s all a load of b*llocks. Made up to see how much traction it could get online. Rest easy.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Campsall rover on June 26, 2024, 11:26:12 am
The money Wrexham throw around any player that they want they’ll probably get. Paying Mullin a fortune aren’t they.
Won’t be throwing money around indefinitely I promise you. This will end in tears sooner rather than later.
Especially when they find it really difficult to get out of League 1
No way will Parkinson get them promoted next season or season after imo.
Change of manager again required for them.
They will run out of money in the next 3 seasons, realising the circus is just a bit too expensive.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Filo on June 26, 2024, 11:27:38 am
They’ve got Billy Waters, why would they want another striker lol!
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Campsall rover on June 26, 2024, 11:31:26 am
They’ve got Billy Waters, why would they want another striker lol!
He is not included in the 3 I mentioned Filo.
Fletcher is the 3rd one.   :)   Definitely not Waters   ;)
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: ncRover on June 26, 2024, 11:35:10 am
Joe is 6 foot 1. He got asked in an interview. Still got a hell of a leap on him and he’s strong as an ox.

I think Wrexham will look to be shopping a bit more upmarket than Joe though. He dropped out of League 1 last year after struggling at that level.

He also said this in May this year:

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=291494.msg1324350#msg1324350

Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: StocksArmy on June 26, 2024, 11:39:07 am
Not ideal if true but, I trust we will get the correct fee for what he is worth and an adequate replacement be brought in.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Chris Black come back on June 26, 2024, 12:15:59 pm
Ideally we move to an embedded system that means we can slot in players to that system when good players leave - and to be clear, we need good players to leave for big fees. That’s how the model works. The aim should be getting to the point where this can happen and you keep momentum by having a system that is more important than individual players. If a higher league side wants to pay big money for one of our players, then great.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: firestarter on June 26, 2024, 12:36:55 pm
They have FFP to consider now.. splashing the cash won’t be anywhere near as easy as it has been now
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: In the box on June 26, 2024, 12:42:45 pm
The Hollywood money men at Wrexham are sniffing around after Joe apparently and Parkinson has apparently targeted him as he wants to link him up again with Paul Mullin.

I’d be gutted to see Joe go, he’s been brilliant for us in the last year and I’d only countenance him leaving if we were to receive a kings ransom for his services. We do have leverage that he’s one year into a 3 year contract and that should be enough to fend off any approach.

Conversely from Joe’s angle he’s not getting any younger and a juicy Wrexham contract on big money would be appealing.

People have speculated that bringing Billy in is with the knowledge of Joe’s likely departure . I don’t see Billy as a like for like Ironside replacement as Billy is highly unlikely to play 90 minutes in every game whereas Joe is incredibly robust given that he only reaches 6ft on tip toes.
£1m no less than !!!!!
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on June 26, 2024, 12:43:12 pm
But, if they want to pay the fee then clearly he has a price and that's no bad thing ultimately.  But given we don't need to sell make it a strong fee, £750k+ would be good business. 
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Drover on June 26, 2024, 12:46:26 pm
The money Wrexham throw around any player that they want they’ll probably get. Paying Mullin a fortune aren’t they.

Yes,But with us having another 2 years on his contract,the money it will probaly cost them for Joe will probably get them a better player elsewhere or similar for less.If I was Parkinson and had already been given the likes of Mullin,Fletcher etc I would be setting my target hopes higher than Joe now they have been promoted to league one.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: philsky on June 26, 2024, 12:51:09 pm
But, if they want to pay the fee then clearly he has a price and that's no bad thing ultimately.  But given we don't need to sell make it a strong fee, £750k+ would be good business. 

On one hand £750k goes along way but the goals are priceless
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on June 26, 2024, 01:04:12 pm
The suggestion that Billy's been brought in to soften the blow of Ironside leaving is just nonsense. Usual suspects on FB peddling the conspiracy theories.

I'm not saying it isn't going to happen, as there aren't many surprises in football. McCann will know if there's any substance so he'll be prepared one way or another.  If they want to pay silly money and Joe wants to go, then so be it. Big IFs.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Donnybax on June 26, 2024, 01:07:07 pm
I can’t see Wrexham being after him. They’ll be wanting to challenge for promotion next season again and that’ll be mean they’ll be aiming for better.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Lesonthewest on June 26, 2024, 01:31:22 pm
I can’t see Wrexham being after him. They’ll be wanting to challenge for promotion next season again and that’ll be mean they’ll be aiming for better.

Agreed. As much as I like Joe, he's been great for us, but why would Wrexham pay money on a 2/3 year contract, costing them a decent wedge, for a striker who will be 31 soon, & not been proven prolific in league 1. Think it's a non starter personally.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Reg of the Rovers on June 26, 2024, 01:50:16 pm
Ironside was incredible last year, even when we were crap in the first half of the season he was decent. In the last 20 years only Marquis (16/17, 18/19) beat his league goals - no one else has come close (I think).

I think he'd be a massive loss, Billy is good but won't play 90mins 46 times, Miller is good but not kicked a ball in a year and even prime George isn't as good in all round play and goal return than Ironside. Keeping Joe would be the best business of the summer in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: pib on June 26, 2024, 01:51:47 pm
They could've offered him more money than we did and had him on a free transfer last year. They're clearly very reactive if there's any truth in this at all.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Bessie Red on June 26, 2024, 03:48:42 pm
Joe came to us to be closer to his family home (Sheffield), he has also intimated that he is extremely happy here and I've also been told that he wants to play for us until his retirement. I believe this rumour is complete BS!
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Nudga on June 26, 2024, 04:17:39 pm
Plus him and Billy can car share now so both can save a few quid.

Would actually be a good thing them car sharing,  forge a friendship and a partnership
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Filo on June 26, 2024, 04:34:47 pm
Plus him and Billy can car share now so both can save a few quid.

Would actually be a good thing them car sharing,  forge a friendship and a partnership
And Broadbent
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: TonySoprano on June 26, 2024, 05:28:35 pm
But, if they want to pay the fee then clearly he has a price and that's no bad thing ultimately.  But given we don't need to sell make it a strong fee, £750k+ would be good business.
Absolutely no way should we be letting him go for 750k.

1.5m up front,  minimum
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Chris Black come back on June 26, 2024, 05:36:28 pm
Nobody outside of institutional care is going to be offering £1.5m for Joe Ironside, as great as he has been for us.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: One_Matty_Lucas on June 26, 2024, 05:36:48 pm
Plus him and Billy can car share now so both can save a few quid.

Would actually be a good thing them car sharing,  forge a friendship and a partnership

 :that:

I still think the only reason we won league one in 2013 was the Kia Sedona  ;)
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: NickDRFC on June 26, 2024, 05:48:35 pm
Plus him and Billy can car share now so both can save a few quid.

Would actually be a good thing them car sharing,  forge a friendship and a partnership

 :that:

I still think the only reason we won league one in 2013 was the Kia Sedona  ;)

Is that Deji’s brother?
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: dknward2 on June 26, 2024, 08:33:29 pm
Plus him and Billy can car share now so both can save a few quid.

Would actually be a good thing them car sharing,  forge a friendship and a partnership

 :that:

I still think the only reason we won league one in 2013 was the Kia Sedona  ;)
Plus him and Billy can car share now so both can save a few quid.

Would actually be a good thing them car sharing,  forge a friendship and a partnership

 :that:

I still think the only reason we won league one in 2013 was the Kia Sedona  ;)

In the know joke the young uns won't know
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: TonySoprano on June 27, 2024, 07:21:12 am
Nobody outside of institutional care is going to be offering £1.5m for Joe Ironside, as great as he has been for us.
Good. Then he's staying
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: ctay on June 27, 2024, 07:29:56 am
I think the 500-750k mark would be good business. Joe was terrific last season, but he is what 30/31?. As long as Grant would be able to bring in a replacement I don't see the problem. He is a very good league two striker, probably a decent/good league one. No club would pay over that for a striker of that age, very little re-sale value. Half a million is still a lot to us, and it would give Grant options moving forward.

I don't see him going though.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Padge_DRFC on June 27, 2024, 07:49:13 am
Half a million gets us 4 top league 2 players on a free
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Metalmicky on June 27, 2024, 08:05:21 am
If (a big IF) he went, we wouldn't find out the figure....... it would be undisclosed as always.  So a bit pointless debating it really.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Frankie Rennie on June 27, 2024, 10:45:37 am
Keep Joe and along with Billy you should fly out of League two which would be far better financially than taking a short term bung from a sale, even if it was offered, which I don’t think it will. You came so close last year so hopefully the way Grants going and building the team you should hopefully go one better this time.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Michael Shaw on June 27, 2024, 10:54:58 am
If McCann prefers the attacking prowess of a 4-3-3 then with a line-up of Sharp, Ironside and Miller we will trounce this league. Losing Ironside just reduces our promotion chances. Not going to consider it  ... (but then I never thought we would get Sharp or lose to Crewe in the playoffs with a 2-0 advantage) ... so what do I know.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: ncRover on June 27, 2024, 11:43:55 am
If McCann prefers the attacking prowess of a 4-3-3 then with a line-up of Sharp, Ironside and Miller we will trounce this league. Losing Ironside just reduces our promotion chances. Not going to consider it  ... (but then I never thought we would get Sharp or lose to Crewe in the playoffs with a 2-0 advantage) ... so what do I know.

If we lost Ironside and didn’t replace him we wouldn’t get promoted.

And finding another striker who can aerially challenge, link the play, score lots of goals and run non-stop would be very difficult.

This isn’t a mug’s league, as we’ve seen over the last 2 years.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: mushRTID on June 27, 2024, 11:50:24 am
Absolutely no chance of a front three Sharp, Ironside, Miller.

We'd get murdered in midfield, not trounce the league.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: graingrover on June 27, 2024, 11:54:04 am
The club culture will be that the ultimate decision will lie with the player ( provided the asking price is met by the buyer ) .Fans support for the player always weighs on the decision as in the case of Molyneux .
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: karldew on June 27, 2024, 12:33:17 pm
The money Wrexham throw around any player that they want they’ll probably get. Paying Mullin a fortune aren’t they.

Sure I read somewhere that the ex Arsenal keeper they signed for free is on £21k a week!
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: donnyguy on June 27, 2024, 01:32:49 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/update-on-joe-ironside-amid-wrexham-transfer-links-to-doncaster-rovers-talisman-4682006
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Tdog1995 on June 27, 2024, 01:33:58 pm
I made this up Monday afternoon whilst tucking into my dinner, expected a few nibbles from both Wrexham and Rovers fans alike. What I didn't expect was 82K views, near 1600 engagements, a couple of articles from Wrexham and now a free press article...

Just goes to show how mad the football twitter world is!
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: keyser_soze on June 27, 2024, 02:10:16 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/update-on-joe-ironside-amid-wrexham-transfer-links-to-doncaster-rovers-talisman-4682006

That article reads suspiciously like a summary of this thread! :D
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: DearneValleyRover on June 27, 2024, 02:26:22 pm
I made this up Monday afternoon whilst tucking into my dinner, expected a few nibbles from both Wrexham and Rovers fans alike. What I didn't expect was 82K views, near 1600 engagements, a couple of articles from Wrexham and now a free press article...

Just goes to show how mad the football twitter world is!

You’re just a sad attention seeking p***k then aren’t you!
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Tdog1995 on June 27, 2024, 02:28:19 pm
I made this up Monday afternoon whilst tucking into my dinner, expected a few nibbles from both Wrexham and Rovers fans alike. What I didn't expect was 82K views, near 1600 engagements, a couple of articles from Wrexham and now a free press article...

Just goes to show how mad the football twitter world is!

You’re just a sad attention seeking p***k then aren’t you!

Tell me how you really feel!
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: roversdude on June 28, 2024, 10:54:28 am
Apparently they are back in for Alfie
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: ncRover on June 28, 2024, 11:14:17 am
Apparently they are back in for Alfie

Because they wasted money on an unfit and declining Jack Marriott.

Bookies have them to be up there in League 1 but I can’t see it with that squad and playing style.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Chris Black come back on June 28, 2024, 11:31:30 am
Just cannot see Parkinson seeing out the season. Will be fascinating to see how quickly the entire circus falls apart if they get bogged down in lower mid table obscurity. Not much TV interest if they are finishing 16th.
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: roversdude on June 28, 2024, 11:54:27 am
I agree CBCB can’t see this being a series that runs and runs, be interesting to see how interested Deadpool is if Disney drops it
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: Guernsey Exile on June 28, 2024, 06:17:45 pm
Apparently they are back in for Alfie
Huddersfield have had a £750k bid accepted for him
Title: Re: Ironside departing?
Post by: les@donr on June 28, 2024, 10:34:49 pm
Isn’t Alfie’s wife from Donny? He!d be bringing her home.