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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: Herbert Anchovy on July 01, 2024, 08:39:19 am
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In my view we have far bigger problems in the country than this, but it seems to be continually pushed up to the top of the agenda. So…
How should the UK deal with illegal immigration?
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I used to work with a bloke at Rockware, who had a coat made from Immigration leather, as he called it. (Wolfe will confirm)
So if all coats were made from real leather then at a stroke, immigration would be a thing of the past.
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I'm not suede by that anecdote.
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That joke makes me want to HIDE behind my immigration leather sofa.
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That's better than hiding behind Keir Starmer's irritation leather coat.
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That’s the most honest straightforward Politician in History your talking about BB, as you well know.
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That's because of all the poverty he suffered in his childhood. His dad was only a poor toolmaker you know?
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Surprised you’ve missed his dad being the maker of a Tool…until now.
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
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Certainly not that one that will be at number 10 next week.
God help us
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I see some folks on tv when asked about election concerns citing “immigration”, but not saying why or what problems it causes them.
It’s just “immigration”. It smacks of sensationalism, rather than understanding what problems there might be.
They don’t distinguish between legal migrants and illegal migrants/asylum seekers. They don’t say there is an employment issue etc. it’s just “immigration”.
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They don't need to, IDM, that's the limit of their thinking. They just fear people who are different.
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
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I see some folks on tv when asked about election concerns citing “immigration”, but not saying why or what problems it causes them.
It’s just “immigration”. It smacks of sensationalism, rather than understanding what problems there might be.
They don’t distinguish between legal migrants and illegal migrants/asylum seekers. They don’t say there is an employment issue etc. it’s just “immigration”.
Immigration is a red herring, I think the major issue for people around it is perceived lack of integration. Fears people have around differing cultures are been played upon and sensationalism has taken root
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In my view we have far bigger problems in the country than this, but it seems to be continually pushed up to the top of the agenda. So…
How should the UK deal with illegal immigration?
How were the illegal invaders dealt with at Pro mass migration Glastonbury this weekend?
It's incumbent on those in favour of accommodating them to explain
https://youtu.be/yh9XEJHOrV4?si=sJefe9FixrnvhahK
Not quite. Surely it's also incumbent on those who wish to stop immigration to explain how it should be stopped?
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
How do you think illegal immigration should be stopped Sproty?
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
How do you think illegal immigration should be stopped Sproty?
Deporting them to Rwanda seemed a good idea.
In my opinion we should build some Camps , porta cabins with bunk beds no lecky sockets, but lighting and heating and get em processed then send em to Rwanda they’l soon get the message!, oh by the way I welcome legal immigrants who don’t present as Military age potential cut throats and who have something to offer in a way that would make the UK a Better Place!
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
How do you think illegal immigration should be stopped Sproty?
Deporting them to Rwanda seemed a good idea.
In my opinion we should build some Camps , porta cabins with bunk beds no lecky sockets, but lighting and heating and get em processed then send em to Rwanda they’l soon get the message!, oh by the way I welcome legal immigrants who don’t present as Military age potential cut throats and who have something to offer in a way that would make the UK a Better Place!
Thanks for the reply Sproty.
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
Seriously?! How about people start to act with a bit more class? Whatever their views
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
Seriously?! How about people start to act with a bit more class? Whatever their views
Yes, another disgusting reply from him to go alongside his description of Angela Rayner.
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
How do you think illegal immigration should be stopped Sproty?
Deporting them to Rwanda seemed a good idea.
In my opinion we should build some Camps , porta cabins with bunk beds no lecky sockets, but lighting and heating and get em processed then send em to Rwanda they’l soon get the message!, oh by the way I welcome legal immigrants who don’t present as Military age potential cut throats and who have something to offer in a way that would make the UK a Better Place!
Go on. I'll bite.
1) How does Rwanda work as a deterrent to people who have been prepared to risk drowning to reach here?
2) You talk about people arriving here illegally. How are people supposed to claim asylum here legally?
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
How do you think illegal immigration should be stopped Sproty?
Deporting them to Rwanda seemed a good idea.
In my opinion we should build some Camps , porta cabins with bunk beds no lecky sockets, but lighting and heating and get em processed then send em to Rwanda they’l soon get the message!, oh by the way I welcome legal immigrants who don’t present as Military age potential cut throats and who have something to offer in a way that would make the UK a Better Place!
Go on. I'll bite.
1) How does Rwanda work as a deterrent to people who have been prepared to risk drowning to reach here?
2) You talk about people arriving here illegally. How are people supposed to claim asylum here legally?
Playing devils advocate here, what are they fleeing from in France? Surely making the choice to cross the channel makes it a lifestyle choice and not asylum as they are leaving a safe country
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
How do you think illegal immigration should be stopped Sproty?
Deporting them to Rwanda seemed a good idea.
In my opinion we should build some Camps , porta cabins with bunk beds no lecky sockets, but lighting and heating and get em processed then send em to Rwanda they’l soon get the message!, oh by the way I welcome legal immigrants who don’t present as Military age potential cut throats and who have something to offer in a way that would make the UK a Better Place!
Go on. I'll bite.
1) How does Rwanda work as a deterrent to people who have been prepared to risk drowning to reach here?
2) You talk about people arriving here illegally. How are people supposed to claim asylum here legally?
See Ldr post France is a safe Country!
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https://news.sky.com/story/i-wanted-her-to-have-a-future-dads-grief-as-he-buries-daughter-7-crushed-to-death-on-overcrowded-migrant-boat-13130791
This is the tragic story about 7 year old
Sara who died of crush injuries on the Rubber Dinghy last month!
Just what is going off here, father left Iraq 15 year ago, met a Muslim girl in Antwerp and they started having children they them. Had 3 Daughters who were all born in Belgium! Then they all move to Sweden after 7 years Dad gets a deportation letter so they head back to Belgium then France looks like Dad is going to be deported again, So they find an Iraqi People smuggler in Luxembourg and he gets them on a Dinghy!
What did dad do to upset the Swedes? What did do to upset the Belgian’s with what means was he going to fund the £20,000 for the channel crossing, the article says he was bringing them here as we would have taken them in!
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
How do you think illegal immigration should be stopped Sproty?
Deporting them to Rwanda seemed a good idea.
In my opinion we should build some Camps , porta cabins with bunk beds no lecky sockets, but lighting and heating and get em processed then send em to Rwanda they’l soon get the message!, oh by the way I welcome legal immigrants who don’t present as Military age potential cut throats and who have something to offer in a way that would make the UK a Better Place!
Go on. I'll bite.
1) How does Rwanda work as a deterrent to people who have been prepared to risk drowning to reach here?
2) You talk about people arriving here illegally. How are people supposed to claim asylum here legally?
Playing devils advocate here, what are they fleeing from in France? Surely making the choice to cross the channel makes it a lifestyle choice and not asylum as they are leaving a safe country
This has been answered numerous times on this forum but here's a link from the Red Cross explaining.
https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/migration-and-displacement/refugees-and-asylum-seekers/5-reasons-people-cross-the-channel
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
How do you think illegal immigration should be stopped Sproty?
Deporting them to Rwanda seemed a good idea.
In my opinion we should build some Camps , porta cabins with bunk beds no lecky sockets, but lighting and heating and get em processed then send em to Rwanda they’l soon get the message!, oh by the way I welcome legal immigrants who don’t present as Military age potential cut throats and who have something to offer in a way that would make the UK a Better Place!
Go on. I'll bite.
1) How does Rwanda work as a deterrent to people who have been prepared to risk drowning to reach here?
2) You talk about people arriving here illegally. How are people supposed to claim asylum here legally?
See Ldr post France is a safe Country!
Only for about another week .
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Don't be too harsh on his dad. I'm sure he made some useful tools too.
Best part of Starmer Dribbled down his Toolmaker Dads Legs!
How do you think illegal immigration should be stopped Sproty?
Deporting them to Rwanda seemed a good idea.
In my opinion we should build some Camps , porta cabins with bunk beds no lecky sockets, but lighting and heating and get em processed then send em to Rwanda they’l soon get the message!, oh by the way I welcome legal immigrants who don’t present as Military age potential cut throats and who have something to offer in a way that would make the UK a Better Place!
Go on. I'll bite.
1) How does Rwanda work as a deterrent to people who have been prepared to risk drowning to reach here?
2) You talk about people arriving here illegally. How are people supposed to claim asylum here legally?
Playing devils advocate here, what are they fleeing from in France? Surely making the choice to cross the channel makes it a lifestyle choice and not asylum as they are leaving a safe country
This has been answered numerous times on this forum but here's a link from the Red Cross explaining.
https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories/migration-and-displacement/refugees-and-asylum-seekers/5-reasons-people-cross-the-channel
Yes Im aware of that thanks, was playing devils advocate
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They must feel it's a good enough reason if they're willing to risk their lives for it.
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They must feel it's a good enough reason if they're willing to risk their lives for it.
Clearly what’s on offer in the UK is better than the rest of Europe , we live in the ‘Land of Milk and Honey’ you don’t even need to spend money on Food!
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They must feel it's a good enough reason if they're willing to risk their lives for it.
Ah, it's not because Britain is painted as the land of milk and honey, then?
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What's Labour's plan to stop the thousands of illegal immigrants every year ?
All I've heard is they rather pathetically plan to scrap the Rwanda plan.
All I see is them rolling out the red carpet for them
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What's Labour's plan to stop the thousands of illegal immigrants every year ?
All I've heard is they rather pathetically plan to scrap the Rwanda plan.
All I see is them rolling out the red carpet for them
What do you think should be done Tony?
Do you think Reforms plan to put them back onto a beach in France (which the French won’t agree with btw) is feasible?
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Is it feasible that we should agree to them landing on our beaches?
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Is it feasible that we should agree to them landing on our beaches?
No, but they are BB. So what should be done to stop it?
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If we weren’t an island and immigrants could simply walk into the country as of course they can and do across much of Europe would people still be so outraged by their arrival? Would they even be aware of their arrival. Is it because people regard our beaches as somehow sacrosanct? Or is it because people are so worried for their safety as they make the dangerous crossing?
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Is it feasible that we should agree to them landing on our beaches?
No, but they are BB. So what should be done to stop it?
We should have a proper deterrent. Deterrents aren't meant to be nice, otherwise, they're not deterrents!
Now isn't the time for namby-pamby, Jessie do-gooders.
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Turkey already have a deal with the Afghan govt to send back Afghan nationals. They have sent back tens of thousands since the Taliban took back power.
You can fly to Kabul indirect via Turkey. The money spent on the current situation would be well spent looking at this as an option.
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Sounds like a good shout
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Is it feasible that we should agree to them landing on our beaches?
No, but they are BB. So what should be done to stop it?
We should have a proper deterrent. Deterrents aren't meant to be nice, otherwise, they're not deterrents!
Now isn't the time for namby-pamby, Jessie do-gooders.
What if someone wants to claim asylum here as they speak English and have family here? Do we deter them? Or do we process their claim?
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I think language and family connections here are the reasons many want to come
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And of course it would be.
If you've escaped from a war zone and are wanting to rebuild your life in another country, wouldn't you want to do that in a country where you spoke the language and knew people?
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Turkey already have a deal with the Afghan govt to send back Afghan nationals. They have sent back tens of thousands since the Taliban took back power.
You can fly to Kabul indirect via Turkey. The money spent on the current situation would be well spent looking at this as an option.
Turkey has over 3.5m refugees in its country
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I know quite a few Brits who have moved to live abroad for a better quality of life. I don’t know any that have moved abroad to escape poverty, persecution or war thankfully.
Many choose to live in countries like Spain and don’t learn the language but surround themselves with other brits so it doesn’t really matter.
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I know quite a few Brits who have moved to live abroad for a better quality of life. I don’t know any that have moved abroad to escape poverty, persecution or war thankfully.
Many choose to live in countries like Spain and don’t learn the language but surround themselves with other brits so it doesn’t really matter.
Read up about Ireland during the potato famine and Scotland during the clearances.Oh and not forgetting when America stopped accepting convicts they were shipped to NSW.
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Is it feasible that we should agree to them landing on our beaches?
No, but they are BB. So what should be done to stop it?
We should have a proper deterrent. Deterrents aren't meant to be nice, otherwise, they're not deterrents!
Now isn't the time for namby-pamby, Jessie do-gooders.
What if someone wants to claim asylum here as they speak English and have family here? Do we deter them? Or do we process their claim?
If we're happy to accept these people then how do they claim asylum so they're able to be processed because currently it's catch-22 if they can't fly, you can only claim asylum if you get to the UK but if you come on a boat then as of July 2023 you're an illegal immigrant.
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I think that we can see from the responses on this thread just how difficult it will be to solve this issue for whoever is PM on Friday morning. I don’t pretend to know much about it, but in my view we are going to need to rely on immigrants more and more so our priority should be to create an application process that is prompt and that actually works and to also work collectively with Europe to put the criminal gangs away. It’s a difficult one for sure though,
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That's because of all the poverty he suffered in his childhood. His dad was only a poor toolmaker you know?
finally I have refound this little gem
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=291576.0
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Turkey already have a deal with the Afghan govt to send back Afghan nationals. They have sent back tens of thousands since the Taliban took back power.
You can fly to Kabul indirect via Turkey. The money spent on the current situation would be well spent looking at this as an option.
Turkey has over 3.5m refugees in its country
It also has a population of over 85 million . Turkey is also severely hampered geographically when it comes to accessibility for refugees.
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Turkey already have a deal with the Afghan govt to send back Afghan nationals. They have sent back tens of thousands since the Taliban took back power.
You can fly to Kabul indirect via Turkey. The money spent on the current situation would be well spent looking at this as an option.
Turkey has over 3.5m refugees in its country
It also has a population of over 85 million . Turkey is also severely hampered geographically when it comes to accessibility for refugees.
Not sure how that effects the massive numbers of refugees they have nr?
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=whats+labours+plan+to+stop+illegal+immigration%3F
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
I've heard Labour describe their plans to reduce immigration generally and to tackle so called illegal immigration on multiple occasions throughout this campaign.
I've also heard them describe their plans on pretty much every other issue.
I'm genuinely confused why people keep saying they have no plan. Fair enough if you disagree with their plan by the way.
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
I've heard Labour describe their plans to reduce immigration generally and to tackle so called illegal immigration on multiple occasions throughout this campaign.
I've also heard them describe their plans on pretty much every other issue.
I'm genuinely confused why people keep saying they have no plan. Fair enough if you disagree with their plan by the way.
They're raising taxes by £2,000 too.
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
I've heard Labour describe their plans to reduce immigration generally and to tackle so called illegal immigration on multiple occasions throughout this campaign.
I've also heard them describe their plans on pretty much every other issue.
I'm genuinely confused why people keep saying they have no plan. Fair enough if you disagree with their plan by the way.
Seriously, again. What is their plan ?
I've only heard they plan to scrap the Rwanda plan, which will be a waste of money and just remove the only deterent we have.
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
I've heard Labour describe their plans to reduce immigration generally and to tackle so called illegal immigration on multiple occasions throughout this campaign.
I've also heard them describe their plans on pretty much every other issue.
I'm genuinely confused why people keep saying they have no plan. Fair enough if you disagree with their plan by the way.
Seriously, again. What is their plan ?
I've only heard they plan to scrap the Rwanda plan, which will be a waste of money and just remove the only deterent we have.
Serious question Tony, are you running the tory campaign?
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I think language and family connections here are the reasons many want to come
Almost 1 in 5 people speak English globally. More people speak English than any other language. To have the ability to speak English as justification to come and live here would sink us.
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I think language and family connections here are the reasons many want to come
So a choice then
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I think language and family connections here are the reasons many want to come
Almost 1 in 5 people speak English globally. More people speak English than any other language. To have the ability to speak English as justification to come and live here would sink us.
Good point BB. What do you think about those that have family already here living as citizens. Should they be allowed in?
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
I've heard Labour describe their plans to reduce immigration generally and to tackle so called illegal immigration on multiple occasions throughout this campaign.
I've also heard them describe their plans on pretty much every other issue.
I'm genuinely confused why people keep saying they have no plan. Fair enough if you disagree with their plan by the way.
Seriously, again. What is their plan ?
I've only heard they plan to scrap the Rwanda plan, which will be a waste of money and just remove the only deterent we have.
They are telling people what their plan is and have been throughout the campaign. You can disagree with the plan but you can’t say they haven’t got one
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
I've heard Labour describe their plans to reduce immigration generally and to tackle so called illegal immigration on multiple occasions throughout this campaign.
I've also heard them describe their plans on pretty much every other issue.
I'm genuinely confused why people keep saying they have no plan. Fair enough if you disagree with their plan by the way.
Seriously, again. What is their plan ?
I've only heard they plan to scrap the Rwanda plan, which will be a waste of money and just remove the only deterent we have.
What about you use this thing called the Internet to go and look for yourself?
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I think language and family connections here are the reasons many want to come
Almost 1 in 5 people speak English globally. More people speak English than any other language. To have the ability to speak English as justification to come and live here would sink us.
Good point BB. What do you think about those that have family already here living as citizens. Should they be allowed in?
If it benefits the country and not simply because they have relations living here then they should have the same rights as every other immigrant.
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How would you determine benefit to the country? A points based system?
Is it ok to accept unskilled workers with family members here if we cannot find enough brits to do unpaid work?
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Sorry I mean unskilled work
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Yep, a point-based system, which automatically excludes criminals.
First, we should encourage our people to do unskilled work.
Unskilled workers should be allowed if it benefits the country, irrespective of whether they have family members living here.
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Yep, a point-based system, which automatically excludes criminals.
First, we should encourage our people to do unskilled work.
Unskilled workers should be allowed if it benefits the country, irrespective of whether they have family members living here.
In what context?
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How would you determine benefit to the country? A points based system?
Is it ok to accept unskilled workers with family members here if we cannot find enough brits to do unpaid work?
Good luck finding anyone to do that type of work!
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Yep, a point-based system, which automatically excludes criminals.
First, we should encourage our people to do unskilled work.
Unskilled workers should be allowed if it benefits the country, irrespective of whether they have family members living here.
In what context?
Yes I was going to ask how given how nothing seems to have worked previously. Also if we can’t get our own citizens to do unskilled or semi skilled work is it still ok to bring people in to do these jobs if net migration continues to be so high as a result?
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Yep, a point-based system, which automatically excludes criminals.
First, we should encourage our people to do unskilled work.
Unskilled workers should be allowed if it benefits the country, irrespective of whether they have family members living here.
In what context?
Yes I was going to ask how given how nothing seems to have worked previously. Also if we can’t get our own citizens to do unskilled or semi skilled work is it still ok to bring people in to do these jobs if net migration continues to be so high as a result?
Cut off benefits and starve them into submission.
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oops already tried that with Austerity tens of thousands died.
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sf9944.
I was made redundant 8 years ago and went on the dole for 6 months. Every week I had to produce evidence of at least 3 jobs I had applied for the previous week, to receive my £60 odd benefit payment.
If this rule applies to everyone capable of working, how on earth do they get away with receiving benefits long term?
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oops already tried that with Austerity tens of thousands died.
Correction:
''Over 300,000 'excess' deaths in Great Britain attributed to UK Government austerity policies. Recent evidence has shown people across the UK are dying younger as a result of austerity, with people living in the poorest areas hardest hit''
https://www.gla.ac.uk/news/archiveofnews/2022/october/headline_885099_en.html#:~:text=University%20news-,Over%20300%2C000%20'excess'%20deaths%20in%20Great%20Britain%20attributed,to%20UK%20Government%20austerity%20policies&text=Recent%20evidence%20has%20shown%20people,the%20poorest%20areas%20hardest%20hit.
I guess this is just one of the many reasons the government is on the nose.
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
I've heard Labour describe their plans to reduce immigration generally and to tackle so called illegal immigration on multiple occasions throughout this campaign.
I've also heard them describe their plans on pretty much every other issue.
I'm genuinely confused why people keep saying they have no plan. Fair enough if you disagree with their plan by the way.
Seriously, again. What is their plan ?
I've only heard they plan to scrap the Rwanda plan, which will be a waste of money and just remove the only deterent we have.
What about you use this thing called the Internet to go and look for yourself?
I'm asking the labour fan boys on here.
See if they can articulate the plan.
Which I highly doubt, because labour simply don't have one.
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When my dad was induced to come her to work in this country it was made very clear to him and all the others in his cohort what was required of them.
They had to present themselves at the police station every week to declare that they were still employed by the same employer, they still lived at the same address(a hostel that they had no choice but to live in) and that they had not been arrested for any reason. Any deviation from this would lead to instant deportation back to where they came from, and at least 30% ended up this way.
This lasted for a whole year, after which they were allowed to move out of the hostel and buy a property and apply for naturalisation if they wished.
The main point being they had to be able to provide for themselves without any recourse to the state in handouts or benefits, if they could not do this then as above they were deemed a burden and would be deported back to their home country, no questions asked, no right to appeal.
Fast forward to today, just WTF have we become?
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sf9944.
I was made redundant 8 years ago and went on the dole for 6 months. Every week I had to produce evidence of at least 3 jobs I had applied for the previous week, to receive my £60 odd benefit payment.
If this rule applies to everyone capable of working, how on earth do they get away with receiving benefits long term?
I honestly don’t know BB but there must be a reason we have felt it necessary to import such large numbers of unskilled and semi skilled workers. Whatever policies we have been employing to try to get our own to do these jobs they don’t seem to have worked.
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sf9944.
I was made redundant 8 years ago and went on the dole for 6 months. Every week I had to produce evidence of at least 3 jobs I had applied for the previous week, to receive my £60 odd benefit payment.
If this rule applies to everyone capable of working, how on earth do they get away with receiving benefits long term?
Who is getting away with what bb, show some figures and a bit of evidence please?
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
I've heard Labour describe their plans to reduce immigration generally and to tackle so called illegal immigration on multiple occasions throughout this campaign.
I've also heard them describe their plans on pretty much every other issue.
I'm genuinely confused why people keep saying they have no plan. Fair enough if you disagree with their plan by the way.
Seriously, again. What is their plan ?
I've only heard they plan to scrap the Rwanda plan, which will be a waste of money and just remove the only deterent we have.
What about you use this thing called the Internet to go and look for yourself?
I'm asking the labour fan boys on here.
See if they can articulate the plan.
Which I highly doubt, because labour simply don't have one.
Tony why can’t we have a reasoned debate without resorting to name calling?
In a nutshell labour don’t believe that deporting a tiny proportion of asylum seekers to Rwanda will act as an effective deterrent and there doesn’t currently seem to be any evidence that it will. They don’t want to spend hundreds of millions on a scheme they don’t think will work.
Labour want to tackle the isssue at source by taking out the people smugglers. Keir Starmer has experience of successfully prosecuting organised criminals and he thinks that with a more organised approach this can be achieved. Labour also want to agree returns policies with countries such as the one that turkey has with Afghanistan. Labour also wants to process asylum claims more quickly and efficiently such that asylum seekers aren’t waiting years for a decision whilst being supported by the tax payer. There may be more but these are the central planks of their plan.
So you see labour does have a plan. Why don’t you think it will work?
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I know quite a few Brits who have moved to live abroad for a better quality of life. I don’t know any that have moved abroad to escape poverty, persecution or war thankfully.
Many choose to live in countries like Spain and don’t learn the language but surround themselves with other brits so it doesn’t really matter.
Read up about Ireland during the potato famine and Scotland during the clearances.Oh and not forgetting when America stopped accepting convicts they were shipped to NSW.
You read it up got nothing to do with this thread!
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I know quite a few Brits who have moved to live abroad for a better quality of life. I don’t know any that have moved abroad to escape poverty, persecution or war thankfully.
Many choose to live in countries like Spain and don’t learn the language but surround themselves with other brits so it doesn’t really matter.
Read up about Ireland during the potato famine and Scotland during the clearances.Oh and not forgetting when America stopped accepting convicts they were shipped to NSW.
You read it up got nothing to do with this thread!
why?
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I know quite a few Brits who have moved to live abroad for a better quality of life. I don’t know any that have moved abroad to escape poverty, persecution or war thankfully.
Many choose to live in countries like Spain and don’t learn the language but surround themselves with other brits so it doesn’t really matter.
Read up about Ireland during the potato famine and Scotland during the clearances.Oh and not forgetting when America stopped accepting convicts they were shipped to NSW.
You read it up got nothing to do with this thread!
why?
Because it’s ancient History! Nothing to do with this thread you are trying to divert the thread as usual you monger!
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No, I meant why would I have to look it up I already know about it aye?
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No, I meant why would I have to look it up I already know about it aye?
I do too Syd we were taught it in History class back in the 1970’s
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No, I meant why would I have to look it up I already know about it aye?
I do too Syd we were taught it in History class back in the 1970’s
I'd have thought it was way earlier than that.
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
I've heard Labour describe their plans to reduce immigration generally and to tackle so called illegal immigration on multiple occasions throughout this campaign.
I've also heard them describe their plans on pretty much every other issue.
I'm genuinely confused why people keep saying they have no plan. Fair enough if you disagree with their plan by the way.
Seriously, again. What is their plan ?
I've only heard they plan to scrap the Rwanda plan, which will be a waste of money and just remove the only deterent we have.
What about you use this thing called the Internet to go and look for yourself?
I'm asking the labour fan boys on here.
See if they can articulate the plan.
Which I highly doubt, because labour simply don't have one.
Yeah.
I know exactly what you are doing.
And I'm telling you to go and look for it yourself because there's plenty out there on it.
Life tip. Educate yourself on topics before you mouth off about them.
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Rather than wasting our defence budget on arming the Ukrainians in an unwinnable war, why not build a fleet of armed patrol boats to deter any dodgy asylum seekers in boats by any means necessary? The eventual end game of uncontrolled immigration is that we become a minority in our own country, and before bst starts boring on calling me a fascist, this is a view shared by many of my Polish friends.
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Seriously, what's Labour's plan to stop illegal immigration?
I've heard Labour describe their plans to reduce immigration generally and to tackle so called illegal immigration on multiple occasions throughout this campaign.
I've also heard them describe their plans on pretty much every other issue.
I'm genuinely confused why people keep saying they have no plan. Fair enough if you disagree with their plan by the way.
Seriously, again. What is their plan ?
I've only heard they plan to scrap the Rwanda plan, which will be a waste of money and just remove the only deterent we have.
Hi Tony, I've already linked you higher up this page, you might have missed it.
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I suspect the question should be what is Starmer's plan that is different to that of the Tories, apart from cancelling the Rwanda plan?
Starmer says, "Where people have no right to be here, they will be removed."
He says he would "negotiate returns agreements with individual states and the European Union, creating a mechanism for those in Britain unlawfully to be removed."
Would a Labour government want to sign returns agreements with countries which have terrible human rights records, like Afghanistan? Or are in the grip of civil war?
Since Brexit, even negotiating returns agreements with our European neighbours would be challenging.
So, WHAT EXACTLY IS KEIR STARMER GOING TO DO DIFFERENT THAN THE TORIES HAVE ALREADY TRIED TO DO?
In other words, what is his NEW plan?
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I suspect the question should be what is Starmer's plan that is different to that of the Tories, apart from cancelling the Rwanda plan?
Starmer says, "Where people have no right to be here, they will be removed."
He says he would "negotiate returns agreements with individual states and the European Union, creating a mechanism for those in Britain unlawfully to be removed."
Would a Labour government want to sign returns agreements with countries which have terrible human rights records, like Afghanistan? Or are in the grip of civil war?
Since Brexit, even negotiating returns agreements with our European neighbours would be challenging.
So, WHAT EXACTLY IS KEIR STARMER GOING TO DO DIFFERENT THAN THE TORIES HAVE ALREADY TRIED TO DO?
In other words, what is his NEW plan?
Indeed. It's a difficult one for sure BB and no solution would please everyone. Options are extremely limited.
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Starmer saying labour will
Tackle the gangs is like him saying he will
Stop organised drug supply coming into the uk .
Utterly, utterly futile. A pipe dream. A political carrot.
Don’t take my word for it . Let’s re visit this in 4 years time. There will be a few headline grabbing successes but they will be like grains of sand in a desert on the grand scheme.
History will show that the single biggest failure of this incoming labour government will be its inability to stem the tide of migrants crossing the channel. If I’m Honest I don’t envy them .
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Starmer saying labour will
Tackle the gangs is like him saying he will
Stop organised drug supply coming into the uk .
Utterly, utterly futile. A pipe dream. A political carrot.
Don’t take my word for it . Let’s re visit this in 4 years time. There will be a few headline grabbing successes but they will be like grains of sand in a desert on the grand scheme.
Rishi stopped the boats.
Johnson got Brexit done.
What a horrible future we have.
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I suspect the question should be what is Starmer's plan that is different to that of the Tories, apart from cancelling the Rwanda plan?
Starmer says, "Where people have no right to be here, they will be removed."
He says he would "negotiate returns agreements with individual states and the European Union, creating a mechanism for those in Britain unlawfully to be removed."
Would a Labour government want to sign returns agreements with countries which have terrible human rights records, like Afghanistan? Or are in the grip of civil war?
Since Brexit, even negotiating returns agreements with our European neighbours would be challenging.
So, WHAT EXACTLY IS KEIR STARMER GOING TO DO DIFFERENT THAN THE TORIES HAVE ALREADY TRIED TO DO?
In other words, what is his NEW plan?
People arriving from countries with terrible human rights records and claiming asylum are unlikely to be sent back to those countries since that is the whole purpose of asylum arrangements. Come on BB, do keep up.
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Starmer saying labour will
Tackle the gangs is like him saying he will
Stop organised drug supply coming into the uk .
Utterly, utterly futile. A pipe dream. A political carrot.
Don’t take my word for it . Let’s re visit this in 4 years time. There will be a few headline grabbing successes but they will be like grains of sand in a desert on the grand scheme.
History will show that the single biggest failure of this incoming labour government will be its inability to stem the tide of migrants crossing the channel. If I’m Honest I don’t envy them .
Would you say the Rwanda scheme is also a political carrot?
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
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I suspect the question should be what is Starmer's plan that is different to that of the Tories, apart from cancelling the Rwanda plan?
Starmer says, "Where people have no right to be here, they will be removed."
He says he would "negotiate returns agreements with individual states and the European Union, creating a mechanism for those in Britain unlawfully to be removed."
Would a Labour government want to sign returns agreements with countries which have terrible human rights records, like Afghanistan? Or are in the grip of civil war?
Since Brexit, even negotiating returns agreements with our European neighbours would be challenging.
So, WHAT EXACTLY IS KEIR STARMER GOING TO DO DIFFERENT THAN THE TORIES HAVE ALREADY TRIED TO DO?
In other words, what is his NEW plan?
People arriving from countries with terrible human rights records and claiming asylum are unlikely to be sent back to those countries since that is the whole purpose of asylum arrangements. Come on BB, do keep up.
85% of asylum seekers are male. Where are the women and children?
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I suspect the question should be what is Starmer's plan that is different to that of the Tories, apart from cancelling the Rwanda plan?
Starmer says, "Where people have no right to be here, they will be removed."
He says he would "negotiate returns agreements with individual states and the European Union, creating a mechanism for those in Britain unlawfully to be removed."
Would a Labour government want to sign returns agreements with countries which have terrible human rights records, like Afghanistan? Or are in the grip of civil war?
Since Brexit, even negotiating returns agreements with our European neighbours would be challenging.
So, WHAT EXACTLY IS KEIR STARMER GOING TO DO DIFFERENT THAN THE TORIES HAVE ALREADY TRIED TO DO?
In other words, what is his NEW plan?
People arriving from countries with terrible human rights records and claiming asylum are unlikely to be sent back to those countries since that is the whole purpose of asylum arrangements. Come on BB, do keep up.
85% of asylum seekers are male. Where are the women and children?
Waiting for the signal to come and join them in the uk.
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Turkey already have a deal with the Afghan govt to send back Afghan nationals. They have sent back tens of thousands since the Taliban took back power.
You can fly to Kabul indirect via Turkey. The money spent on the current situation would be well spent looking at this as an option.
Turkey has over 3.5m refugees in its country
It also has a population of over 85 million . Turkey is also severely hampered geographically when it comes to accessibility for refugees.
Not sure how that effects the massive numbers of refugees they have nr?
Did I miss your answer to this nr?
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Turkey already have a deal with the Afghan govt to send back Afghan nationals. They have sent back tens of thousands since the Taliban took back power.
You can fly to Kabul indirect via Turkey. The money spent on the current situation would be well spent looking at this as an option.
Turkey has over 3.5m refugees in its country
It also has a population of over 85 million . Turkey is also severely hampered geographically when it comes to accessibility for refugees.
Not sure how that effects the massive numbers of refugees they have nr?
Did I miss your answer to this nr?
People can literally walk from the Middle East and North Africa to Turkey. Transport links are favourable too. Very much so. And I’m guessing the Turks are pretty sloppy in their administration of such. It’s a huge country with a huge border.
Not so easy to walk to an island.
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Turkey already have a deal with the Afghan govt to send back Afghan nationals. They have sent back tens of thousands since the Taliban took back power.
You can fly to Kabul indirect via Turkey. The money spent on the current situation would be well spent looking at this as an option.
Turkey has over 3.5m refugees in its country
It also has a population of over 85 million . Turkey is also severely hampered geographically when it comes to accessibility for refugees.
Not sure how that effects the massive numbers of refugees they have nr?
Did I miss your answer to this nr?
People can literally walk from the Middle East and North Africa to Turkey. Transport links are favourable too. Very much so. And I’m guessing the Turks are pretty sloppy in their administration of such. It’s a huge country with a huge border.
Not so easy to walk to an island.
A nice Sunday stroll you may say, what about the population numbers?
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
This makes depressing reading.
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"Men of fighting age" is such an odd comment.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
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Yep like food, job security, a better wage, a working health system, a better coordinated education system,
more PPE less stick more carrot.
Not forgetting clean water.
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Yep like food, job security, a better wage, a working health system, a better coordinated education system, more PPE less stick more carrot.
All of which has been happening for many years, not just the last 14.
Probably why you cleared off when you did.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
In your opinion, you need to remember that not everyone on here agrees with it, regardless of what you like to think.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
Classic response there Billy boy.
You have a serious lack of respect for older people, especially ones who have worked hard over the years to have a comfortable retirement.
Why do you have a seeming hatred of them.
Not all of them are Tory’s (me included) so I suppose you are including Labour supporters in your uncalled for rant.
Oh and I see you are still harping back to the 1930’s.
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I'm quite sure that Avatar is his actual mush just after he's had one of these "rants"
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
In your opinion, you need to remember that not everyone on here agrees with it, regardless of what you like to think.
I'm saying people with your and Hound's attitudes are there in every single generation. And every generation, they are wrong
What makes you think you are right this time?
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
In your opinion, you need to remember that not everyone on here agrees with it, regardless of what you like to think.
I'm saying people with your and Hound's attitudes are there in every single generation. And every generation, they are wrong
What makes you think you are right this time?
I think I am right in saying that too many people want things given to them without having to earn them.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
In your opinion, you need to remember that not everyone on here agrees with it, regardless of what you like to think.
I'm saying people with your and Hound's attitudes are there in every single generation. And every generation, they are wrong
What makes you think you are right this time?
What makes you think you are are right.
BST is correct on this point hound. You only need to look at old newspapers online to see that they pretty much complain about the same things as today’s do. The perception that modern generation are lazy for one.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
In your opinion, you need to remember that not everyone on here agrees with it, regardless of what you like to think.
I'm saying people with your and Hound's attitudes are there in every single generation. And every generation, they are wrong
What makes you think you are right this time?
What makes you think you are are right.
BST is correct on this point hound. You only need to look at old newspapers online to see that they pretty much complain about the same things as today’s do. The perception that modern generation are lazy for one.
You might have noticed that I changed the wording of my post Herbert, and I think I am right with what I say.
Is it just old people who say it as bst is claiming.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
In your opinion, you need to remember that not everyone on here agrees with it, regardless of what you like to think.
I'm saying people with your and Hound's attitudes are there in every single generation. And every generation, they are wrong
What makes you think you are right this time?
What makes you think you are are right.
BST is correct on this point hound. You only need to look at old newspapers online to see that they pretty much complain about the same things as today’s do. The perception that modern generation are lazy for one.
You might have noticed that I changed the wording of my post Herbert, and I think I am right with what I say.
Is it just old people who say it as bst is claiming.
I don’t know if it’s just old people or not Hound. I was just stating that the opinion that the modern generation is lazy and wants stuff for nowt etc isn’t a new one by any stretch. From my experience it generally is older people that hold that view, but I’m sure that they were on the receiving end of it in past!
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We have a variety of people on this forum, from different backgrounds and perspectives, different ages and with different experiences and with different levels of empathy and understanding of the world around them.
We also have some bonehead extremists, when we talk of extremists we often think of people like Farage, Corbyn and others like Putin but remember these are the tip of the iceberg, everyone knows that.
What you need to be wary of is the extremist who sit alongside us, the party fanaticals, the ones who can't see beyond the end of their nose and in who's world everything else is wrong because it doesn't conform to their understanding of life.
These extremist are here, they are amongst us and they make it clear every day with their extreme party views. These are the real extremist in life, the ones who cannot accept that everyday life does not revolve around their agitations.
What a way to live your life!
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
In your opinion, you need to remember that not everyone on here agrees with it, regardless of what you like to think.
I'm saying people with your and Hound's attitudes are there in every single generation. And every generation, they are wrong
What makes you think you are right this time?
What makes you think you are are right.
BST is correct on this point hound. You only need to look at old newspapers online to see that they pretty much complain about the same things as today’s do. The perception that modern generation are lazy for one.
You might have noticed that I changed the wording of my post Herbert, and I think I am right with what I say.
Is it just old people who say it as bst is claiming.
I don’t know if it’s just old people or not Hound. I was just stating that the opinion that the modern generation is lazy and wants stuff for nowt etc isn’t a new one by any stretch. From my experience it generally is older people that hold that view, but I’m sure that they were on the receiving end of it in past!
Hound has an obsession that I hate old people.
I don't.
I'm trying my best to become one myself.
I dislike SOME old people, not all. Because there are cracking folk and the opposite in every generation.
And of course it's mainly (part of) the older generation who moan about the younger one. By definition, you can't get young people saying "Young people today aren't as hard working as we were when we were young."
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It is the hate of the Communists, They hate better than anyone people who don't follow the left's line of thought and better themselves.
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It is the hate of the Communists, They hate better than anyone people who don't follow the left's line of thought and better themselves.
English?
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
In your opinion, you need to remember that not everyone on here agrees with it, regardless of what you like to think.
I'm saying people with your and Hound's attitudes are there in every single generation. And every generation, they are wrong
What makes you think you are right this time?
What makes you think you are are right.
BST is correct on this point hound. You only need to look at old newspapers online to see that they pretty much complain about the same things as today’s do. The perception that modern generation are lazy for one.
You might have noticed that I changed the wording of my post Herbert, and I think I am right with what I say.
Is it just old people who say it as bst is claiming.
I don’t know if it’s just old people or not Hound. I was just stating that the opinion that the modern generation is lazy and wants stuff for nowt etc isn’t a new one by any stretch. From my experience it generally is older people that hold that view, but I’m sure that they were on the receiving end of it in past!
Hound has an obsession that I hate old people.
I don't.
I'm trying my best to become one myself.
I dislike SOME old people, not all. Because there are cracking folk and the opposite in every generation.
And of course it's mainly (part of) the older generation who moan about the younger one. By definition, you can't get young people saying "Young people today aren't as hard working as we were when we were young."
BST, you are doing your usual thing of misquoting people.
I haven’t said anything about young people not working hard, I know that loads of them do.
I am saying that there are lots of people who want things given to them without having to earn them.
To make it very clear, I’m not saying that all of those people are young ones.
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Their economic migrants, men of fighting age, who have left their families and travelled through several safe countries, and risked their lives in a dingy to get here, all because they see a pot at the end of the rainbow.
We're too soft, and need tougher measures to stop the boats, and a real deterrent against coming here.
They have absolutely no right whatsoever in coming here, we owe them nothing !
My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
Sounds like your farther in law arrived around the same time as my dad. There's not many of them left now but what a generation of people, wives included.
If we had a small measure of the work ethic, desire and enthusiasm to get stuff done now, we would be in much a better place.
Sadly times have measurably changed dd.
Too many people want things given to them without having to earn it.
So much for "progress"
Absolute b*llocks.
Every generation has idlers and hard workers.
The economy is f**ked these days because we've made a string of awful economic policy decisions over the past 14 years.
Old, right wing people have this attitude every generation. Go and read The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell. He writes in absolute disgust of the attitudes of comfortable, old right wing people in the Great Depression, who say the problem is that people are too idle to work. Whereas the real problem was that Governments had made massive economic mistakes. When WWII came, the people who'd been airily dismissed as shirkers were the very same ones who joined up to fight Hitler, or who worked double shifts in the pits and the steel works to provide the means to beat him.
I'm sick of hearing this sort of ignorant, bone idle crap.
In your opinion, you need to remember that not everyone on here agrees with it, regardless of what you like to think.
I'm saying people with your and Hound's attitudes are there in every single generation. And every generation, they are wrong
What makes you think you are right this time?
What makes you think you are are right.
BST is correct on this point hound. You only need to look at old newspapers online to see that they pretty much complain about the same things as today’s do. The perception that modern generation are lazy for one.
You might have noticed that I changed the wording of my post Herbert, and I think I am right with what I say.
Is it just old people who say it as bst is claiming.
I don’t know if it’s just old people or not Hound. I was just stating that the opinion that the modern generation is lazy and wants stuff for nowt etc isn’t a new one by any stretch. From my experience it generally is older people that hold that view, but I’m sure that they were on the receiving end of it in past!
Hound has an obsession that I hate old people.
I don't.
I'm trying my best to become one myself.
I dislike SOME old people, not all. Because there are cracking folk and the opposite in every generation.
And of course it's mainly (part of) the older generation who moan about the younger one. By definition, you can't get young people saying "Young people today aren't as hard working as we were when we were young."
BST, you are doing your usual thing of misquoting people.
I haven’t said anything about young people not working hard, I know that loads of them do.
I am saying that there are lots of people who want things given to them without having to earn them.
To make it very clear, I’m not saying that all of those people are young ones.
What I will say is kids get more these days than we got. When we were kids we had hand-me-downs from our elders. Nowadays, it's the elders who get bloody hand-me-ups from the kids!
Mobile phones
Tablets
Headphones.....
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When unemployment goes up thousands upon thousands decide they are going to be lazy bas**rds and when unemployment goes down ...........
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Let's look at 2 posts A) and B) on this thread
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A)….My father-in-law came to Britain as a migrant 50 years ago.
He worked his b*llocks off, set up two successful companies, was a pillar of the community, running a youth club and Sunday school, and fathered three wonderful kids, including the woman I'm honoured to share my life with.
I'd have 10 million of him before one of you.
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BST will be an angry man for the rest of his life, what he fails to say is that WE tried to kick his father in law out of the country because he had no passport no documention etc
here he is not stating the usual "imaginary facts" but not telling the full story of the father in law. He may or may not have been stateless I can't remember when he did his washing in public a few years ago.
Mrs Coleman has just been explaining to me how Nationalisation (Prince Philip had to do it - he had to give up his Greek citizenship) works or used to work, finally going before a Judge who might say "you look English" - no translator needed.
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In hounds post
B) …..."BST, you are doing your usual thing of misquoting people.
I haven’t said anything about young people not working hard, I know that loads of them do.
I am saying that there are lots of people who want things given to them without having to earn them.
To make it very clear, I’m not saying that all of those people are young ones."
he mentions your usual trick of misquoting people -- I put this this down to "ohmic losses" like being at ohm all day.
and you of all people should know about "normal distribution curves" there are extremities at both ends of the N.D. curve
Get a life man (take the wife out to an Italian Restaurant to celebrate Starmer's win) and have a break from the site for your health.