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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on July 06, 2024, 11:53:05 am
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Going to be an intellectual heavyweight contest.
Braverman this morning.
"There's going to be a lot of dark clouds on the horizon. Caused by Keir Starmer."
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Tory, who lost his seat, being interviewed this morning recons their next leader will just be a place holder before electing a 'real' leader to take on Labour at the next GE. I wonder who he was thinking of for the 'real' job.....
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Initially, Jeremy Hunt.
Eventually, Boris Johnson.
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Initially, Jeremy Hunt.
Eventually, Boris Johnson.
not in yours or my lifetime
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Initially, Jeremy Hunt.
Eventually, Boris Johnson.
not in yours or my lifetime
Syd, don’t do it.
It isn’t worth it.
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I reckon Sunak will resign his safe seat,piss off to America and leave the door open for Johnson to return
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I reckon Sunak will resign his safe seat,piss off to America and leave the door open for Johnson to return
Can't see it myself Filo, they're traditional tories up there, he's liar a criminal and all the rest ...........
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Anyone who thinks Johnson is coming back really doesn't get Johnson.
The job of being LotO after a towsing like this is hard, long and thankless. It requires discipline and very hard work to r build the party. There's no glamour and probably no reward because it's usually something that takes several different people to achieve.
You reckon the lying man-child has got any interest in that while he's getting paid £250k a month for writing b*llocks in the Mail and Telegraph for his disciples to lap up?
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Reported in his Mail column that maybe they shouldn't have got rid of a succesfull vote winning leader, was there also a suggestion of a I'll be back?
Let's wait and see Billy, 5 years is a long time in politics and people have short memories
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Before the results were declared I told you all who my 2 against the field were
TT was in a very very very safe seat and the Labour candidate's odds for Jenrick's seat were 4 to one on to win -- meaning put £1 on Labour to win 25 pence --- How on earth did he win that seat and why did Coleman make such a mad prediction !!! you think --
BST finally twigged Jenrick yesterday and since the Joe public (THE ONE'S WHO KNOW- NOT JOE PUBLIC) haVE backed him in to 4/1 about the same price as TT. You may recall I favored TT the last time he competed
it's between Tom (TT as in TT race ) & Jenrick in my world
turned out nice
and the race has begun already !!!
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Could be quite a few Tory leaders coming and going over the next five years , they burn PM's pretty regularly chances are leaders in opposition will be even more replaceable .
I'd go as far as to say that the next winning Tory leader isn't even involved in politics right now .
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Before the results were declared I told you all who my 2 against the field were
TT was in a very very very safe seat and the Labour candidate's odds for Jenrick's seat were 4 to one on to win -- meaning put £1 on Labour to win 25 pence --- How on earth did he win that seat and why did Coleman make such a mad prediction !!! you think --
BST finally twigged Jenrick yesterday and since the Joe public (THE ONE'S WHO KNOW- NOT JOE PUBLIC) haVE backed him in to 4/1 about the same price as TT. You may recall I favored TT the last time he competed
it's between Tom (TT as in TT race ) & Jenrick in my world
turned out nice
and the race has begun already !!!
big Big changes yesterday for obvious reasons - I wrote this leadership "evolving leadership script" a long long time ago " and even mentioned an unnamed person ( if Starmer can keep his children's names secret it justified me not telling you who I had backed at stratospheric odds apart from him being male --
I mentioned it on here 3 to 4 months ago but didn't let the cat out of the bag who he was - A lot of my time is going to be taken up on hedging (only without a pair of shears)
there is talk Braverman with eventually defect after losing her backer
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Going to be an intellectual heavyweight contest.
Braverman this morning.
"There's going to be a lot of dark clouds on the horizon. Caused by Keir Starmer."
She's absolutely correct, and if she's the next leader of the Conservatives, then hopefully they will become Conservative again, and get my vote.
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Going to be an intellectual heavyweight contest.
Braverman this morning.
"There's going to be a lot of dark clouds on the horizon. Caused by Keir Starmer."
She's absolutely correct, and if she's the next leader of the Conservatives, then hopefully they will become Conservative again, and get my vote.
Tony, can you give me an approx date when you were happy with the conservatives to help define what it is you want. What were their best years?
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Going to be an intellectual heavyweight contest.
Braverman this morning.
"There's going to be a lot of dark clouds on the horizon. Caused by Keir Starmer."
She's absolutely correct, and if she's the next leader of the Conservatives, then hopefully they will become Conservative again, and get my vote.
I really, really hope you are right that she becomes their leader and they get your vote.
Nothing would please me more. That puts them out of power until the end of the next decade.
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Yes she has no chance of ever being a successful leader.
Don't discount Boris. He won't want in now but 2-3 years when there's not so long to go and labours honeymoon wears off, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Yes she has no chance of ever being a successful leader.
Don't discount Boris. He won't want in now but 2-3 years when there's not so long to go and labours honeymoon wears off, it wouldn't surprise me.
Sounds just like my boss, nowhere to be seen whilst there's plenty to be done but always manages to turn up when the jobs complete and the big chief has come in to see where we are.
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Give it a couple of years and a safeish tory by election seat for Penny Mordaunt to parachute in.
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Give it a couple of years and a safeish tory by election seat for Penny Mordaunt to parachute in.
Nah she will be shipped in
she's thinking "If I could turn back time"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n3A_-HRFfc
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Yes she has no chance of ever being a successful leader.
Don't discount Boris. He won't want in now but 2-3 years when there's not so long to go and labours honeymoon wears off, it wouldn't surprise me.
So you don't accuse me of anything pud, do you actually like the man, are your posts about johnson showing a genuine preference for the man in the hope that he can resurrect a broken party that now exists in name only. None of the above and you are projecting that others may forgive him following a litany of failures?
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Don't care for him either way really. He's not as bad as some make out, not as good as others do. Too disorganised to get things done but he's a good campaigner, don't discount that.
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Don't care for him either way really. He's not as bad as some make out, not as good as others do. Too disorganised to get things done but he's a good campaigner, don't discount that.
In that case I may put myself up for beatification
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Don't care for him either way really. He's not as bad as some make out, not as good as others do. Too disorganised to get things done but he's a good campaigner, don't discount that.
In other words, precisely the living embodiment of why our politics has gone so horrendously wrong.
All image and no practical substance. All flash bang and no disciplined hard work.
God help us if he ever comes back. But he won't of course, because the path for the Tories to become electable again requires them to do a lot of boring, hard, disciplined work.
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Although you can never say never ..............
Italy: Milan airport to be named after former late PM Berlusconi
https://timesofoman.com/article/147496-italy-milan-airport-to-be-named-after-former-late-pm-berlusconi#:~:text=Milan%3A%20The%20main%20international%20airport,and%20business%20tycoon%2C%20Silvio%20Berlusconi.
Maybe Thames Water or such like could be renamed in johnson's honour?
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Going to be an intellectual heavyweight contest.
Braverman this morning.
"There's going to be a lot of dark clouds on the horizon. Caused by Keir Starmer."
did she mention skeletons in the cupboard
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Going to be an intellectual heavyweight contest.
Braverman this morning.
"There's going to be a lot of dark clouds on the horizon. Caused by Keir Starmer."
did she mention skeletons in the cupboard
If someone has the same views and opinions all their life they aren’t thinking for themselves
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I see Braverman has gone all in on the line that the Tories lost because they were right wing enough.
https://x.com/NatConTalk/status/1810384345720614980
That might win her the leadership. Good luck with persuading the country beyond a couple of wannabe fascists in here.
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I see Braverman has gone all in on the line that the Tories lost because they were right wing enough.
https://x.com/NatConTalk/status/1810384345720614980
That might win her the leadership. Good luck with persuading the country beyond a couple of wannabe fascists in here.
They'll be fighting as rats in sack for pole position for a while, some of the stuff that is pouring from a few of those left and those out of seats is nuts and rudderless. They don't appear to know themselves which part of the spectrum they should be in or move to.
I'm enjoying reading what labour's plans are and appreciate how much work they must have put in preparing for this moment.
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If they don't know which part of the spectrum they should be in, Sidders, then they shouldn't be anywhere near power. Some t**t making his choices that way is what gave us Brexit.
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Couldn't agree more.
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If they don't know which part of the spectrum they should be in, Sidders, then they shouldn't be anywhere near power. Some t**t making his choices that way is what gave us Brexit.
What's wrong with Brexit? It enabled me to get a much better job in a different industry. Can't fault it.
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If they don't know which part of the spectrum they should be in, Sidders, then they shouldn't be anywhere near power. Some t**t making his choices that way is what gave us Brexit.
What's wrong with Brexit? It enabled me to get a much better job in a different industry. Can't fault it.
Nail on head there Axholme, the right has always looked after itself
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If they don't know which part of the spectrum they should be in, Sidders, then they shouldn't be anywhere near power. Some t**t making his choices that way is what gave us Brexit.
What's wrong with Brexit? It enabled me to get a much better job in a different industry. Can't fault it.
Why was you not able to get the job without brexit?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4y7ewedg1o
Braverman says Tories lost cos they weren't right wing enough.
Hmm.
2015 Election
Tories: 37%
Parties to right of Tories: 13%
Parties to left of Tories: 47%
Result: Tory Majority
2024 Election
Tories: 24%
Parties to right: 14%
Parties to left: 56%*
Result: Tory annihilation.
(Rough figures, excluding NI parties.
Parties to right, UKIP, RefUK
Parties to left: Lab, LD, Green, SNP, PC.
2024 figure for left is more like 58% if you include Galloway's rabble and the Muslim independents.)
Simple logic really. But, if they want to make themselves unelectable for a generation, good luck wi that.
Those of you on the Right who want PR, be careful what you wish for. 2015 is the one and only time since 1935 that 50% of the votes went to parties to the right of the LDs. The UK is basically a centre-left country. Has been for nearly a century.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4y7ewedg1o
Braverman says Tories lost cos they weren't right wing enough.
Hmm.
2015 Election
Tories: 37%
Parties to right of Tories: 13%
Parties to left of Tories: 47%
Result: Tory Majority
2024 Election
Tories: 24%
Parties to right: 14%
Parties to left: 56%*
Result: Tory annihilation.
(Rough figures, excluding NI parties.
Parties to right, UKIP, RefUK
Parties to left: Lab, LD, Green, SNP, PC.
2024 figure for left is more like 58% if you include Galloway's rabble and the Muslim independents.)
Simple logic really. But, if they want to make themselves unelectable for a generation, good luck wi that.
Those of you on the Right who want PR, be careful what you wish for. 2015 is the one and only time since 1935 that 50% of the votes went to parties to the right of the LDs. The UK is basically a centre-left country. Has been for nearly a century.
This person has worked out the vote had Reform not stood.
She used the poll on people’s preferences that I posted a few days ago.
https://x.com/liveraldemocrat/status/1810883861275914737?s=46
The Labour majority goes down to 120.
The Tories just need to realise why they lost. A lack of capability and positive vision. I saw Gavin Williamson the other day complaining about Labour:
“concreting the green belt”
“Force government housing targets on communities”
“Ignore local voices in the planning process”
Clueless
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Whomever is elected leader will need to accept the dire position many if not most of services are in as it has touched almost everyone. I'm not sure that it will wash with the electorate to try and suggest the government is overegging it.
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The economic numbers this morning show just why Sunak was daft to call the election when he did.
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He maybe wasn't confident it was enough (one swallow etc), or he may have been more concerned with reform spoiling the party. He didn't seem to have a grip on things that concerned voters, services, services, services.
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If they don't know which part of the spectrum they should be in, Sidders, then they shouldn't be anywhere near power. Some t**t making his choices that way is what gave us Brexit.
What's wrong with Brexit? It enabled me to get a much better job in a different industry. Can't fault it.
Why was you not able to get the job without brexit?
Because a lot of the Poles went back home where I work.
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Initially, Jeremy Hunt.
Eventually, Boris Johnson.
Hopefully not, we've moved on from our clown era, let's be a serious country again.
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Interesting to see what happens in rishis seat if he goes.
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Interesting to see what happens in rishis seat if he goes.
will that person have blond hair - he could buy the 2 million house as well
He's probably never heard of Richmond in Richmondshire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmondshire
Hopefully he'll think it's Richmond on Thames. Thinking about it it has Penny Mordant written all over it.
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I very much doubt any Yorkshire person would actually vote for Johnson, even dyed in the wood Tories would baulk at the thought.
This cretins time has been and gone, people who fell for his five card tricks wont do so again.
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I wouldn't put money against it
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Id say even the most deluded Tory would baulk at actually voting to bring back this pantomime show.
Serious and positive actions are needed from a party leader, if they happen to be running for a party that's just been reduced to a scabby rump then the last thing that's needed is pretend buffoonery and lies. By all means have a personality that resonates with the public but they need to remember that the role requires a serious and organised mindset.
Someone like Johnson could never fit this role, style over substance gets you annihilated at the ballot box. Even the most stubborn must realise this now.
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If it wasn't actually important to have a functioning centre right party, it'd be a reight laugh watching this clown fight.
Braverman has gone all Seig Heil.
Badenoch has leaked Shadow Cabinet papers then said what a disgrace it is to leak.
Jenrick's supporters are saying he's the real deal cos he had murals of Mickey Mouse painted over at an immigrant kids detention centre, so that shows he's enough of a nasty Kitson to take on Farage.
Badenoch is saying they should fight in private and be united in public.
Braverman has responded by accusing Badenoch of saying that Braverman is having a public nervous breakdown.
Tugendhat's mates are saying his team never slags off rivals. Not like the others!
It's like a pitch to the Thick of It producers that gets chucked out cos it's too f**king daft to laugh at.
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If it wasn't actually important to have a functioning centre right party, it'd be a reight laugh watching this clown fight.
Braverman has gone all Seig Heil.
Badenoch has leaked Shadow Cabinet papers then said what a disgrace it is to leak.
Jenrick's supporters are saying he's the real deal cos he had murals of Mickey Mouse painted over at an immigrant kids detention centre, so that shows he's enough of a nasty Kitson to take on Farage. Replacing Mickey Mouse with your AVATAR would do the trick NICELY ... SHAME YOU HAVE THE COPYRIGHT ON IT :mad: THEY SAY AN AVATAR NEVER LIES -just look in the mirror.
Badenoch is saying they should fight in private and be united in public.
Braverman has responded by accusing Badenoch of saying that Braverman is having a public nervous breakdown.
Tugendhat's mates are saying his team never slags off rivals. Not like the others! and he's NOT ALLOWED INTO CHINA
It's like a pitch to the Thick of It producers that gets chucked out cos it's too f**king daft to laugh at.