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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Branton Rover on July 15, 2024, 12:35:36 pm
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Personally speaking I think we need to appoint a manager/coach who can get the best out of our young attacking talent. I don’t think it will happen but I’d push the boat out for Pep. After all there’s not a ready made English replacement knocking down the door to take over.
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100% agree. Our squad of players IMO was better than any other in that tournament and Southgate for all the good he did, didn't get the best out of them from an attacking sense.
Would love for us to go all out and get Klopp or Poch but in reality who would want the England job with the abuse that a person in that position receives.
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Can’t see a non English manager wanting the job the abuse they would get would be worst than Southgate. Also if was an ex or current premier league manager tribalism would take over. So it will be interesting see if Gareth goes what manager would accept the job.Then get the best of the players after an hard Premier league or European club season.
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It comes down to what we as a nation want. Do we want a better match tactician who believes in a system and will pick players to suit the system OR someone who harvests the best talent and tries to mould them into a team?
One thing Gareth hasn't Bern afraid of is blooding young talent, irrespective of the clubs they play for. He's risen above the club v country, not necessarily favouring players from the big 6 etc., or just favouring 'form' players.
The transition of players from youth to u21s to the senior team has been much better.
I wonder if Gareth still has a role in identifying and developing the talent through the system thereby providing a first team coach with the talent he needs to compete on the international stage?
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Would be more than a little surprised if it isn’t Potter next up.
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Gareth needs to resign. He’s done his best and we continue to fall short.
There is a very large pool to pick from but when he’s selected some, he’s then refused to play them. Not the best use of the squad and a different manager may well get better use out of all the players selected.
End of the road - move on. We need a much better tactician who develops the players into a pattern and are schooled into what happens if plans isn’t working!
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I'd be happy with Potter. Ticks a lot of the boxes we need - good man manager, articulate, and apparently he is excellent on the training ground, so can get players working to his system in a relatively short space of time. He's also adaptable.
Not sure Klopp and Poch are the answer. Great managers, yes, but they are highly system-driven and meticulous. You don't get the time on the training ground to get teams playing the way Klopp's Liverpool played. You can't just go out and sign players of a particular profile to make your system work either, you have to work with the players you have.
Maybe they could adapt to work at the international level, after all they are great managers, but it's far from a sure thing.
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I’d be very surprised if they didn’t promote Lee carsley if Southgate walks.
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I can think of 4.8 million reasons why someone would want to manage England. Best paid part time job in the country in my eyes. Crazy we are paying that to Southgate who would struggle to find a managerial job in the premier league. He literally has never achieved anything in football management, in terms of achievements or even a brand of football. Fair play to him, hes made a shed load of money and if anything over achieved in competitions while under achieving in terms of football played. Eddie Howe should have had the job years ago, and he would be my man now.
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International managers are a curious breed, granted. But if anyone was to list their top 50 managers globally, would Potter and Howe be on that list? Maybe in the bottom reaches.
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Think it’s nailed on to be Potter
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Not convinced he will resign yet but it would be nice if someone had a cv of managing in the premier league and has experience of managing in european club competitions
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Think it’s nailed on to be Potter
Would that be Graham or Harry because from what i've see this tournament we probably need the latter
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Kieran McKenna would be in my thoughts, Bielsa a couple of years ago would be a good fit for our players, and another who if still up to it I would consider.
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Paul Dickov's still available.
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Potter would be great.
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Whoever is the new manager they ll have to win the World Cup or they will be judged to have failed. Who will want it whether it’s well paid or not.
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Think we have to put a call out to Klopp. If he’s not interested then it should be an English manager probably Potter whose face would fit as well as having been a good manager. Is Brighton teams were always brave and that’s what’s been missing from Southgate to win.
Think Howe would be a bad appointment. While he’s very attacking and obviously a good manager I’m not sure he’s tactically as flexible as Potter.
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Think it’s nailed on to be Potter
Brian Potter
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Think it’s nailed on to be Potter
Brian Potter
Obviously
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Pochettino ( prob spelt wrong), think he plays good football. Can’t believe Chelsea got rid of him, he got them playing well last quarter of season
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The criticism an England manager gets is crazy, getting a failing team to consistently now reach finals and semi finals and still gets slagged off by the minority is ridiculous.
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I have to agree with the pundits who are saying that the big players let Southgate down. They just didn't turn up apart from against Holland.
Even Southgate was puzzled by that appalling decision by Kyle Walker to throw the ball all the way back to Stones, when we briefly had Spain on the back foot just after we'd scored.
That put Spain back into the ascendancy again.
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I have to agree with the pundits who are saying that the big players let Southgate down. They just didn't turn up apart from against Holland.
Even Southgate was puzzled by that appalling decision by Kyle Walker to throw the ball all the way back to Stones, when we briefly had Spain on the back foot just after we'd scored.
That put Spain back into the ascendancy again.
I blame Walker for both goals. Those who’ve criticised Southgate for his motivation skills should have a go at management people are very varied.
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The main argument is that Southgate is not forward thinking enough to get the best from these players. Thankfully we appear to have around 20 million forward thinking managers that are able to tell him where he went wrong and what he should do. So we needn’t worry.
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On that note, should we add so and so from the vsc forum, what’s his name from X, and the fat bloke from talksport to the poll?
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Personally speaking I think we need to appoint a manager/coach who can get the best out of our young attacking talent. I don’t think it will happen but I’d push the boat out for Pep. After all there’s not a ready made English replacement knocking down the door to take over.
Your clueless if you think we should get rid of southgate
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The main argument is that Southgate is not forward thinking enough to get the best from these players. Thankfully we appear to have around 20 million forward thinking managers that are able to tell him where he went wrong and what he should do. So we needn’t worry.
People having an opinion on football. Who'd have thought it.
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Potter for me. We need a bit of Harry's magic for England to actually win anything.
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The criticism an England manager gets is crazy, getting a failing team to consistently now reach finals and semi finals and still gets slagged off by the minority is ridiculous.
It's called scrutiny. It goes with the job. The england manager will always get scrutiny.
Southgate is rightly getting scrutinised for his tactics. I really haven't seen much "slagging off". Any criticism I've seen is qualified - i.e. it's not just "he's shit". It's criticising retreating into our own half when momentum has swung our way in a final.
Agree or disagree - fine - but it's not slagging off.
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Anyway back on topic I am someone who would always prefer an English manager. What's the point of a national team if you appoint foreign staff?
If we fall short with the best English manager we've got, fine.
I'd pick Howe. A bit underwhelming admittedly. But Southgate was massively underwhelming when appointed and look where that's taken us..
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The FA should advertise the job here and try to recruit someone from this forum. We have lots of experts on Viking Chat.
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Stick with Gareth, last 4 tournaments..A Semi, A Final, A Quarter and A Final. If that’s reason to bring someone else in, baring in mind the manager’s who have failed in the past (and yes with exceptional players) then it’s a funny old game Saint.
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Stick with Gareth, last 4 tournaments..A Semi, A Final, A Quarter and A Final. If that’s reason to bring someone else in, baring in mind the manager’s who have failed in the past (and yes with exceptional players) then it’s a funny old game Saint.
Well, thats that one out of the window, apparently Lee Carsley is among favourites.
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Worth pointing out the Spanish manager's record before taking over their national team looks unremarkable on paper. An unremarkable couple of spells in La Liga sandwiched between long spells coaching in youth setups. He's spent a decade working his way up the international age groups in the Spain setup.
Worth remembering when the next man up for England is inevitably being slaughtered for not being "proven" enough.
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I can see Howe and Southgate swapping jobs.
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Stick with Gareth, last 4 tournaments..A Semi, A Final, A Quarter and A Final. If that’s reason to bring someone else in, baring in mind the manager’s who have failed in the past (and yes with exceptional players) then it’s a funny old game Saint.
Well, thats that one out of the window, apparently Lee Carsley is among favourites.
Will the FA need to agree compensation with ourselves?
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I reckon it'll be Carsley too given his success with the U21s.
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Listen Sky sports this afternoon talking to their reporter from Newcastle I can’t see being Eddie Howe hes getting nearly twice what Gareth was getting. He signed a multi year contract last year that’s big compensation and he believes he’s happy at Newcastle
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Worth pointing out the Spanish manager's record before taking over their national team looks unremarkable on paper. An unremarkable couple of spells in La Liga sandwiched between long spells coaching in youth setups. He's spent a decade working his way up the international age groups in the Spain setup.
Worth remembering when the next man up for England is inevitably being slaughtered for not being "proven" enough.
Same for the Argentina manager, a temporary soultion from the coaching staff or u21s I think, who's now won a world cup and copa America. But it won't stop our hacks and pundits from throwing their toys out if we do appoint someone who isn't a big name
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Don’t know much about Carsley other than he was McShefferys mentor which I’m going to ignore!
I don’t mind if it’s not a big name and having the U21 manager stepping up did work really well with Gareth. Maybe the right thing to do is have a longer selection process and let him have a few matches.
I would like ti think we put a call in to Klopp but if he’s not interested fair enough.
Potter was great at Brighton but I saw him as a proper coach who needed time with the players, which he never got at Chelsea, not sure how that translates into the short international windows.
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Our First Nations League game is in September.
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Listen Sky sports this afternoon talking to their reporter from Newcastle I can’t see being Eddie Howe hes getting nearly twice what Gareth was getting. He signed a multi year contract last year that’s big compensation and he believes he’s happy at Newcastle
Eddie Howe is on £10m a year......?
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Who voted for Lampard? WTF man!
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Potter for me, similar profile of person as Southgate but is better tactically, seems like a good fit. Wouldn't hate Carsley as that is what most successful nations do - promote successful youth coaches who know the process/people and tournament environment etc. Who'd heard of de la Fuente a month ago?
There's no chance in hell we get a Klopp, and often these big appointments of successful club managers do not work - see Capello for us and Luis Enrique for Spain.
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Free Press reporting that Darren Moore has made it onto the bookies shortlist... He’d certainly have us well prepared for a pelanty shoot out.
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Carsley on an interim role wouldn’t be a bad call, as he has the U21’s playing some nice football.
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Interim? Waiting for whom?
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Kieran McKenna would be in my thoughts, Bielsa a couple of years ago would be a good fit for our players, and another who if still up to it I would consider.
Bielsa’s style transformed Leeds into an attractive attacking force, but it raises what is the central issue surrounding Southgate’s period in charge. Will the next manager satisfy the apparent insatiable desire for a more enterprising style?
And this highlights the essential difference between league and knock-out football. In International football, losing is often more of a risk than in a 40-odd match season. And of course, especially when you get to quarter finals and beyond.
So, as an international manager, especially when you are finding your feet, is it not surprising n that you play it safe? So will critics ever recognise this?
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Carsley on an interim role wouldn’t be a bad call, as he has the U21’s playing some nice football.
The more I think about it the more I come around to giving him the job permanently. The similarities to the success of the Spanish coach are there for all to see.
- Successfully coached through the youth setup
-FA man
- Knows many of the players
- Attractive but effective style of football
- Done the hard yards coaching for a decade
- Bald
I wouldn't be upset with him.
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I think they will go for Steve Cooper, the Leicester manager. He has managed through a lot of the younger age groups.
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Who voted for Lampard? WTF man!
I wouldn’t be surprised if Lampard was on the shortlist tbh.
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Has to be Klopp...if he'll take it.
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Smithy please.!!