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Just a reminder in case it might catch a few out, it's a 2pm kick off.
Grant McCann hoping for a sterner test from Boro.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/grants-mccanns-hope-for-doncaster-rovers-v-middlesbrough-as-he-makes-hull-city-observation-4717048
After Tursday night, I certainly want to see our defense tested more thoroughly. While our defensive shape was good with Olowu and McGrath coping easily, having the time and space to move the ball, they and our keeper weren't really tested physically from many set pieces.
Although Boro are unlikely to be throwing bombs into the box, you'd hope they'll stretch us even more.
Do we want to see the same starting line up? Or should McCann mix it up a bit more with maybe Wood starting with Sbarra, Sharp, Miller, Yeboah etc?
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Just a reminder in case it might catch a few out, it's a 2pm kick off.
Grant McCann hoping for a sterner test from Boro.
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/grants-mccanns-hope-for-doncaster-rovers-v-middlesbrough-as-he-makes-hull-city-observation-4717048
After Tursday night, I certainly want to see our defense tested more thoroughly. While our defensive shape was good with Olowu and McGrath coping easily, having the time and space to move the ball, they and our keeper weren't really tested physically from many set pieces.
Although Boro are unlikely to be throwing bombs into the box, you'd hope they'll stretch us even more.
Do we want to see the same starting line up? Or should McCann mix it up a bit more with maybe Wood starting with Sbarra, Sharp, Miller, Yeboah etc?
Think he might make a few changes to the starting line up. Those you mentioned may start possibly + maybe Nixon and Senior.
Think v Rotherham he will go with the team he will hope to play v Accrington in the 1st league game.
We are short on options in midfield while all of Clifton, Close and Westbrooke are injured.
Flint is an option of course.
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Cheers, I would have rolled up at 3.
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My guess is that .most of the subs in the 2nd half on Tuesday will be getting 60mins
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I hope there’s no catastrophizing about our shortcomings after this one.
Boro will be competing for premier league promotion this year and had a strong end to last season.
If Latte Lath is playing he will give whoever our defenders are a very hard time.
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I hope there’s no catastrophizing about our shortcomings after this one.
Boro will be competing for premier league promotion this year and had a strong end to last season.
If Latte Lath is playing he will give whoever our defenders are a very hard time.
I watched highlights from their friendly v Gateshead last weekend which they won 1-0. Nobody was busting a gut, very much a friendly in the true sense.
Its difficult to know how these teams approach it. You can tell McCann was disappointed with Hull, because we want to be tested, we want them to put out their first team players to compete otherwise what's the point? Although, there is a line. We don't want three players stretchered off like happened not too long ago (was that Hull too?)
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It was Sheff U wasn’t it?
I’m hoping Anderson is back on the bench and maybe even Clayton (even if neither actually play). GM has said he hopes they bring their first team, but if we make too many changes, it will negate that to a degree.
Notably, Wood was on the bench v Hull, but never came on! So, has he got a slight knock or niggle?
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It was Sheff U wasn’t it?
I’m hoping Anderson is back on the bench and maybe even Clayton (even if neither actually play). GM has said he hopes they bring their first team, but if we make too many changes, it will negate that to a degree.
Notably, Wood was on the bench v Hull, but never came on! So, has he got a slight knock or niggle?
Moght have been.
Clayton, Anderson, Gary McSheffrey? Is this a time warp?,Ha ha.
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I think it was Newcastle.
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Wasn't it Mitrovic who took all three players out too.
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I think it was Newcastle.
It was Newcastle.
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Middleton was "done" in that game as I remember, I see he's now a Bobby
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Nearly 2000 Boro fans expected at the Eco today. Very good turnout from them if that’s the case. Doesn’t look like there’s a live stream on the Boro site which as an exile is disappointing. Needless to say absolutely nothing being offered by Rovers. If anyone does find a link either audio or video please post. Thanks.
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Should be a cracking day for it and hoping for a decent crowd (for a friendly) of around 5000??
Hopefully a good afternoons entertainment and good value.
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Looks like we'll be wearing the away kit today.
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I'm looking forward to this, my first friendly of the summer.
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Free Press reckon 2,000 Boro fans today.
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Will the team news and updates be posted on this thread anyone in the know? Thanks.
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Here you go...
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one - Nil Middlesbrough.... follow here.
https://x.com/drfc_official?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Thank you MM.
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1-1 Molly
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How we looking?
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2-1 Billy peno!!
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2-1 Sharp Peno after Sbarra brought down
2-2 more or less straight away
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Sharp makes it 2-1 but minutes after Boro equliise
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Free Press reckon 2,000 Boro fans today.
4,236 including 1,738 Boro.
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Glad that Boro have got a pretty much full strength side if we can keep up with them it will be good sign
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3:2 boro
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4-2 Boro
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Really not impressed by sharman-lowe.
At fault for three goals and tried to play will flint in with a man on his back.
Great cross by Miller for ironside goal.
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3-4 now..
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Really not impressed by sharman-lowe.
At fault for three goals and tried to play will flint in with a man on his back.
Great cross by Miller for ironside goal.
v Hull I thought S-L played some very risky balls out to the defenders. He got away with it but doesn’t fill you with much confidence.
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5-3
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5-3, someone said Latte Lath could well enjoy himself!
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Really not impressed by sharman-lowe.
At fault for three goals and tried to play will flint in with a man on his back.
Great cross by Miller for ironside goal.
v Hull I thought S-L played some very risky balls out to the defenders. He got away with it but doesn’t fill you with much confidence.
I’m not at this game but he looked good on the ball v Hull.
He’ll be getting instructed to do so and Boro are a top end championship side.
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5-3, someone said Latte Lath could well enjoy himself!
Only scored one goal in the end, Livesore had him down for the 5th, now credited to Finch.
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Was it a decent performance?
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Yes
A good work out against a team who will be top 6 championship this season imo
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We won’t play a team like that again this season, they were very good.
I have a few concerns but on the whole I think we look ready.
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It sounds as though it was an entertaining match to watch.
Had we lost 5-3 to them in the third round of the cup I suppose people would have accepted it because of their league status.
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Really not impressed by sharman-lowe.
At fault for three goals and tried to play will flint in with a man on his back.
Great cross by Miller for ironside goal.
You know what, I was going to say the same about the keeper, looks slow to react
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Enjoyable afternoon. Thank god we have Bailey and Moly tied up because somebody is going to have to pay us a hell of a lot of money to take either of them off of us. Think Sbarra hasn’t looked great in the 2 games this week and TSL I’m hoping today was a one off. The rest look bound for a successful season.
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5-3, someone said Latte Lath could well enjoy himself!
Only scored one goal in the end, Livesore had him down for the 5th, now credited to Finch.
The 5th goal should be credited to the linesman with the yellow flag. He was totally useless.
A massive well done to the youngsters we brought on, they will be pushing for a start before too long.
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I wasn't there today, and yes, it was just a pre-season friendly, and yes, Boro are an excellent team, far better than any team we'll meet this season in the league.
However, I still don't think our defensive problems have been fully addressed. Whether that's to do with personnel, formation, or training ground work, I don't know. However, GM did say last week in the DFP that he'd rather win 4-3 than 1-0.
This of course makes for entertaining football. I just hope it doesn't impede our push for top 3.
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I think we are in for a very good season. We have a strong squad with some very talented players
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Boro’s 5th goal looked miles off side from where I was which is a long way at the south end of the west stand.
But was told by someone at the other end of the West stand that it was off side.
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Really enjoyed that. Game played with intensity from both sides. On that showing, Middlesbrough won't concede 3 goals many times this season, but I wouldn't be surprised if they score 5 a fee times. Excellent play from them from back to front.
We competed very well, causing them problems but once they got into their stride, they were different to hold onto but we worked hard to hold our discipline. A good lesson learned in giving the ball away cheaply, you get punished.
It was good to see McCann mixing things up a bit to try different combinations. We were probably a little weak down our left hand side with Senior and Yeboah but other than that, we played through the lines quite well at times.
Maybe a couple of questions about the Keeper. Was he a bit slow to get down for a couple of those goals into the corners? A mistake obviously spilling the cross leaving their player to smash it home however, let's look at prevention rather than cure.
I'm sure McCann got what he wanted and will be able to use that to refine a few things but I still feel we look a strong outfit, ready to get going.
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Cracking game and good to see some of the new lads playing. They scored more easily once Wood/Olowu had been swapped for less experience I think. Our midfield felt a bit leaky but have to remind myself that Boro are a really decent Champ outfit. No shame on Rovers today, we gave them a good challenge I thought.
Jury still out on the keeper for me, felt he ought to have done better for a couple of theirs but again have to remind myself of the context of today.
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Should be a really good game next week at Rotherham.
Expect our 1st league game starting 11 to play most of the match subject to injuries.
My predicted starting team v Rotherham & Accrington.
Sherman- Lowe
Sterry
Olowu
Wood
Maxwell
Bailey
Broadbent
Hurst
Molyneux
Ironside
Gibson
Subs:
Lawlor
Nixon
McGrath
Flint
Sbarra
Miller
Sharp
Subject to Anderson, Clifton, Close& Westbrooke are all not fit.
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Should be a really good game next week at Rotherham.
Expect our 1st league game starting 11 to play most of the match subject to injuries.
My predicted starting team v Rotherham & Accrington.
Sherman- Lowe
Sterry
Olowu
Wood
Bailey
Broadbent
Hurst
Molyneux
Ironside
Gibson
Subs:
Lawlor
Nixon
McGrath
Flint
Sbarra
Miller
Sharp
Subject to Anderson, Clifton, Close& Westbrooke are all not fit.
That starting line up would get hammered by Rotherham.
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Should be a really good game next week at Rotherham.
Expect our 1st league game starting 11 to play most of the match subject to injuries.
My predicted starting team v Rotherham & Accrington.
Sherman- Lowe
Sterry
Olowu
Wood
Bailey
Broadbent
Hurst
Molyneux
Ironside
Gibson
Subs:
Lawlor
Nixon
McGrath
Flint
Sbarra
Miller
Sharp
Subject to Anderson, Clifton, Close& Westbrooke are all not fit.
That starting line up would get hammered by Rotherham.
Why? Apart from this being a starting 10, not 11..!!
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Should be a really good game next week at Rotherham.
Expect our 1st league game starting 11 to play most of the match subject to injuries.
My predicted starting team v Rotherham & Accrington.
Sherman- Lowe
Sterry
Olowu
Wood
Bailey
Broadbent
Hurst
Molyneux
Ironside
Gibson
Subs:
Lawlor
Nixon
McGrath
Flint
Sbarra
Miller
Sharp
Subject to Anderson, Clifton, Close& Westbrooke are all not fit.
That starting line up would get hammered by Rotherham.
Why, was that because I missed off Maxwell and had only 10 men?
Been corrected now.
Think we will get a decent result next week. Going for a draw but it’s the performance that’s more important than the result.
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As friendlies go ours was certainly more friendly than WBA’s
https://x.com/OfficialVizeh/status/1817185331474530718
COYR
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Really entertaining watch today, good football from both sides & we do look very good in areas going forward, I think we will cause problems for most sides in the league. Tend to agree with some regarding the keeper, first time he's really been tested pre season & looked a bit slow to react, hopefully just bedding in.
A word on Nixon who I thought was excellent, strength, tenacity, & great going forward putting a few really good balls in the box.
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Should be a really good game next week at Rotherham.
Expect our 1st league game starting 11 to play most of the match subject to injuries.
My predicted starting team v Rotherham & Accrington.
Sherman- Lowe
Sterry
Olowu
Wood
Maxwell
Bailey
Broadbent
Hurst
Molyneux
Ironside
Gibson
Subs:
Lawlor
Nixon
McGrath
Flint
Sbarra
Miller
Sharp
Subject to Anderson, Clifton, Close& Westbrooke are all not fit.
No Jack Senior in the squad? Has he been that bad?
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That was definately more interesting than the Hull game. Much, much harder test and showed there’s room for improvement. Boro’s speed of passing and moving was a joy to watch and had us in all kinds of trouble.
I agree with the questions over TSL, as I thought he was at fault for a couple of the goals. At times, from corners, he looked like he got lost a time or two and he didn’t instill confidence, but he’s the best we have.
I thought GM could have tried to match them up a bit more in midfield, as we were constantly under manned.
By comparison, we were slow in possession and looked to take the easy option and pass backwards, which only served to give them the ball back in the end. When we got our act together, we looked good and a threat and we will not play that level of team in L2.
I still think we lack a bit of quality in midfield and I hope we’ll have a re-think on that.
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Should be a really good game next week at Rotherham.
Expect our 1st league game starting 11 to play most of the match subject to injuries.
My predicted starting team v Rotherham & Accrington.
Sherman- Lowe
Sterry
Olowu
Wood
Maxwell
Bailey
Broadbent
Hurst
Molyneux
Ironside
Gibson
Subs:
Lawlor
Nixon
McGrath
Flint
Sbarra
Miller
Sharp
Subject to Anderson, Clifton, Close& Westbrooke are all not fit.
No Jack Senior in the squad? Has he been that bad?
Can’t put them all on bench. So it’s either Nixon or Senior. Think GM will go for Nixon as is a little more versatile. No way would you have 2 full backs on the bench. Need a balanced subs bench.
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Should be a really good game next week at Rotherham.
Expect our 1st league game starting 11 to play most of the match subject to injuries.
My predicted starting team v Rotherham & Accrington.
Sherman- Lowe
Sterry
Olowu
Wood
Maxwell
Bailey
Broadbent
Hurst
Molyneux
Ironside
Gibson
Subs:
Lawlor
Nixon
McGrath
Flint
Sbarra
Miller
Sharp
Subject to Anderson, Clifton, Close& Westbrooke are all not fit.
Probably about right. My only disappointment today was Gibson who didn't seem to apply himself when he came on. Seemed to stroll a bit and was a bit sloppy. Other than that, they all put the effort in and we have genuine competition for places.
Difficult to know how competitive Richard Woods testimonial will be and in the last game before kick off, are both sides going to risk injury? However, will local rivalry supercede that with both teams wanting to send their fans home happy?
I really hope we show a bit of class on the day.
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
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Should be a really good game next week at Rotherham.
Expect our 1st league game starting 11 to play most of the match subject to injuries.
My predicted starting team v Rotherham & Accrington.
Sherman- Lowe
Sterry
Olowu
Wood
Maxwell
Bailey
Broadbent
Hurst
Molyneux
Ironside
Gibson
Subs:
Lawlor
Nixon
McGrath
Flint
Sbarra
Miller
Sharp
Subject to Anderson, Clifton, Close& Westbrooke are all not fit.
Probably about right. My only disappointment today was Gibson who didn't seem to apply himself when he came on. Seemed to stroll a bit and was a bit sloppy. Other than that, they all put the effort in and we have genuine competition for places.
Difficult to know how competitive Richard Woods testimonial will be and in the last game before kick off, are both sides going to risk injury? However, will local rivalry supercede that with both teams wanting to send their fans home happy?
I really hope we show a bit of class on the day.
Noticed when Gibson & Hurst came on today they reversed roles from Tuesday v Hull.
I think they looked much better v Hull with Gibson out wide & Hurst in the hole behind the Striker.
Both looked very ineffective today imo.
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
Without Flint we have no cover in centre midfield hence my inclusion of him over Yeboah.
When Close, Westbrooke or Clifton become available then i expect one of them would be on the bench or possibly Clifton will get a starting place.
Anyway we will always, I expect have some injuries, so the luxury of a completely full squad to choose from is not very probable at any time during the season.
Thankfully we have a very good squad in numbers and decent quality right through so 4/5 injuries and we should cope ok as long as they are not all defenders, midfielders or forwards out at the same time.
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Should be a really good game next week at Rotherham.
Expect our 1st league game starting 11 to play most of the match subject to injuries.
My predicted starting team v Rotherham & Accrington.
Sherman- Lowe
Sterry
Olowu
Wood
Maxwell
Bailey
Broadbent
Hurst
Molyneux
Ironside
Gibson
Subs:
Lawlor
Nixon
McGrath
Flint
Sbarra
Miller
Sharp
Subject to Anderson, Clifton, Close& Westbrooke are all not fit.
Probably about right. My only disappointment today was Gibson who didn't seem to apply himself when he came on. Seemed to stroll a bit and was a bit sloppy. Other than that, they all put the effort in and we have genuine competition for places.
Difficult to know how competitive Richard Woods testimonial will be and in the last game before kick off, are both sides going to risk injury? However, will local rivalry supercede that with both teams wanting to send their fans home happy?
I really hope we show a bit of class on the day.
Noticed when Gibson & Hurst came on today they reversed roles from Tuesday v Hull.
I think they looked much better v Hull with Gibson out wide & Hurst in the hole behind the Striker.
Both looked very ineffective today imo.
Yes, a good observation that. Hurst wasn't really able to get on the ball too much, perhaps more preoccupied with defence rather than offence, which is an area he's improved.
Sbarra also found it difficult to make his mark but I expect he'll contribute much more over the season then Billy Walters for example.
Another learning curve was how Middlesbrough stuck to their game plan, not allowing conceding to knock them off. They kept up their slick passing and running most of the game. We have to aspire to replicate that.
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That was definately more interesting than the Hull game. Much, much harder test and showed there’s room for improvement. Boro’s speed of passing and moving was a joy to watch and had us in all kinds of trouble.
I agree with the questions over TSL, as he thought he was at fault for a couple of the goals. At times, from corners, he looked like he got lost a time or two and he didn’t instill confidence, but he’s the best we have.
I thought GM could have tried to match them up a bit more in midfield, as we were constantly under manned.
By comparison, we were slow in possession and looked to take the easy option and pass backwards, which only served to give them the ball back in the end. When we got our act together, we looked good and a threat and we will not play that level of team in L2.
I still think we lack a bit of quality in midfield and I hope we’ll have a re-think on that.
As a close observer of goalkeepers (with opinions which are not always shared) I did see it suggested by someone else that our GK coach, Letheren’s credentials, might be questioned. He must have a good deal of influence over how our GKs perform. (I suspect that TLT just went his own way). This Chelsea loanee is supposedly an International and it difficult to believe that he naturally shares all the faults we see in Jones. I wonder if McCann has considered Letheren’s role in this.
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Should be a really good game next week at Rotherham.
Expect our 1st league game starting 11 to play most of the match subject to injuries.
My predicted starting team v Rotherham & Accrington.
Sherman- Lowe
Sterry
Olowu
Wood
Maxwell
Bailey
Broadbent
Hurst
Molyneux
Ironside
Gibson
Subs:
Lawlor
Nixon
McGrath
Flint
Sbarra
Miller
Sharp
Subject to Anderson, Clifton, Close& Westbrooke are all not fit.
Probably about right. My only disappointment today was Gibson who didn't seem to apply himself when he came on. Seemed to stroll a bit and was a bit sloppy. Other than that, they all put the effort in and we have genuine competition for places.
Difficult to know how competitive Richard Woods testimonial will be and in the last game before kick off, are both sides going to risk injury? However, will local rivalry supercede that with both teams wanting to send their fans home happy?
I really hope we show a bit of class on the day.
Think it will be very competitive. Last game before the big KO. Sure GM will want a proper game to set the tone for what’s to come.
We need to hit the ground running this season and I expect us to be in the top 3 all season. Well after the 1st game which we never ( rarely ) win at home ;)
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Really enjoyed that. Game played with intensity from both sides. On that showing, Middlesbrough won't concede 3 goals many times this season, but I wouldn't be surprised if they score 5 a fee times. Excellent play from them from back to front.
We competed very well, causing them
Was he a bit slow to get down for a couple of those goals into the corners? A mistake obviously spilling the cross leaving their player to smash it home however, let's look at prevention rather than cure.
I'm sure McCann got what he wanted and will be able to use that to refine a few things but I still feel we look a strong outfit, ready to get going.
If I had an itchy one,I'd prefer cure rather than prevention! ;)
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
McGrath was terrible today. I know he was up against good players but he got dragged out of position many times including one almost on the half way line, got turned and they broke.
Has to improve a lot. CB is of my concerns if Anderson can’t stay fit, the last thing we want is Bailey getting put back there if we end up short.
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
McGrath was terrible today. I know he was up against good players but he got dragged out of position many times including one almost on the half way line, got turned and they broke.
Has to improve a lot. CB is of my concerns if Anderson can’t stay fit, the last thing we want is Bailey getting put back there if we end up short.
100% agree, said this weeks ago and got shot with sh*t :chair:
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Just watched highlights. Keeper needs to find his feet pretty quick.
Always a gamble going for a young lad with no league experience but it turned out well with TLT so don't give up hope.
Chelsea obviously think we'll of him and England youth.
He will be dissapointed with goals 1,2 and 4 there I think and will be kicking himself tonight no doubt. Let's support the kid and hope he comes good
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A terrible post. How do you think the lad reacts to that, have you ever kicked a ball ? I thought he did very well on Tuesday. Hopefully the players don't read the garbage that's posted on here. A reply to the previous.
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
Is he home grown?
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A terrible post. How do you think the lad reacts to that, have you ever kicked a ball ? I thought he did very well on Tuesday. Hopefully the players don't read the garbage that's posted on here. A reply to the previous.
A reply to mine GR?
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
Is he home grown?
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=291774.msg1331087#msg1331087
And I agree with Goole Rover. He was very good on Tuesday. As I said yesterday, no poor getting on player’s backs after coming up against top championship opposition. It is a huge gulf in class and physicality.
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A terrible post. How do you think the lad reacts to that, have you ever kicked a ball ? I thought he did very well on Tuesday. Hopefully the players don't read the garbage that's posted on here. A reply to the previous.
He didn't face a shot or cross under pressure as far as I remember on Tuesday.
He came out in the 1st half with no chance of winning the ball also lost the flight of the ball from a cross to far post 1st half. Beaten from distance twice fumbled a straightforward shot second half he's not TLT for sure. Only thing in his favour at the moment is he came for and caught a cross in the 1st half which is more than Jones or Lawlor does. Good distribution apart from the 2nd half suicide pass to Flint
For.me the jury is definitely out
Modify was the post quoted about McGrath or TSL?
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A terrible post. How do you think the lad reacts to that, have you ever kicked a ball ? I thought he did very well on Tuesday. Hopefully the players don't read the garbage that's posted on here. A reply to the previous.
If this is aimed at my thoughts on McGraths performance TODAY then blimey, chill out. Just saying he had a bad game, I’m allowed to give my opinion on a football forum.
I agree on Tuesday he looked good but with the step up in opponents I thought he struggled.
What’s me kicking a ball got to do with it?
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A terrible post. How do you think the lad reacts to that, have you ever kicked a ball ? I thought he did very well on Tuesday. Hopefully the players don't read the garbage that's posted on here. A reply to the previous.
Give over, this is the place for us to discuss all things Rovers.
I thought the keeper was awful today but I didn't get on his back at the match.
If we can't discuss team and individual performances on here then this forum just becomes the Tory/Labour echo chamber.
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
McGrath was terrible today. I know he was up against good players but he got dragged out of position many times including one almost on the half way line, got turned and they broke.
Has to improve a lot. CB is of my concerns if Anderson can’t stay fit, the last thing we want is Bailey getting put back there if we end up short.
100% agree, said this weeks ago and got shot with sh*t :chair:
Bit of perspective here. McGrath came on at 70 mins, along with Kasper Williams. Playing with a young keeper, you've got a quite inexperienced combination there playing against a top class Championship team.
That aint going to happen during the League Two season.
You previously said you think we need another centre half, and others said, we're unlikely to get one and we will manage with what we have. (At least until January) You weren't shot to sh*t.
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
McGrath was terrible today. I know he was up against good players but he got dragged out of position many times including one almost on the half way line, got turned and they broke.
Has to improve a lot. CB is of my concerns if Anderson can’t stay fit, the last thing we want is Bailey getting put back there if we end up short.
100% agree, said this weeks ago and got shot with sh*t :chair:
Bit of perspective here. McGrath came on at 70 mins, along with Kasper Williams. Playing with a young keeper, you've got a quite inexperienced combination there playing against a top class Championship team.
That aint going to happen during the League Two season.
You previously said you think we need another centre half, and others said, we're unlikely to get one and we will manage with what we have. (At least until January) You weren't shot to sh*t.
I actually rate McGrath, and Olowu. My concern is if Tom and Woods are BOTH out which at some point is probably guna happen.
We do have Senior aswell in there so understand it is unlikely we will get anyone else.
We have the squad to be up there this yr. Really impressed with the fitness and sharpness in the lads.
My biggest concern is GK, and it is a key role.
Hopefully the way we are playing and scoring it won't matter!!!!
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TLT won us a lot of points last season. I just hope we're not in the same position again of wishing for a better keeper.
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
McGrath was terrible today. I know he was up against good players but he got dragged out of position many times including one almost on the half way line, got turned and they broke.
Has to improve a lot. CB is of my concerns if Anderson can’t stay fit, the last thing we want is Bailey getting put back there if we end up short.
100% agree, said this weeks ago and got shot with sh*t :chair:
Bit of perspective here. McGrath came on at 70 mins, along with Kasper Williams. Playing with a young keeper, you've got a quite inexperienced combination there playing against a top class Championship team.
That aint going to happen during the League Two season.
You previously said you think we need another centre half, and others said, we're unlikely to get one and we will manage with what we have. (At least until January) You weren't shot to sh*t.
These are fair comments about who McGrath was on the pitch with, accept that.
It just didn’t look great him getting pulled all over the place. I do actually think he’s got potential too, certainly a step up from the likes of Younger and Long.
But it’s clear he’s got a lot to learn and my concern is if we (a team targeting the title) need to play him week in, week out at this stage of his career….is he ready for that?
We need Wood and Anderson to stay fit.
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TLT won us a lot of points last season. I just hope we're not in the same position again of wishing for a better keeper.
My thoughts exactly.
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Granted it was against lower opposition but McGrath has been excellent all preseason doing the basics right. Still learning and maybe just needs that bit of guidance from his peers.
Just want to comment on Ironsides goal - what a run, from winning the ball and playing it out to Miller to getting on the end of the cross …..brilliant
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
McGrath was terrible today. I know he was up against good players but he got dragged out of position many times including one almost on the half way line, got turned and they broke.
Has to improve a lot. CB is of my concerns if Anderson can’t stay fit, the last thing we want is Bailey getting put back there if we end up short.
100% agree, said this weeks ago and got shot with sh*t :chair:
Bit of perspective here. McGrath came on at 70 mins, along with Kasper Williams. Playing with a young keeper, you've got a quite inexperienced combination there playing against a top class Championship team.
That aint going to happen during the League Two season.
You previously said you think we need another centre half, and others said, we're unlikely to get one and we will manage with what we have. (At least until January) You weren't shot to sh*t.
These are fair comments about who McGrath was on the pitch with, accept that.
It just didn’t look great him getting pulled all over the place. I do actually think he’s got potential too, certainly a step up from the likes of Younger and Long.
But it’s clear he’s got a lot to learn and my concern is if we (a team targeting the title) need to play him week in, week out at this stage of his career….is he ready for that?
We need Wood and Anderson to stay fit.
That's always going to be the preference to have both fit and playing, failing that we need one or the other with Olowu then McGrath to play alongside.
Obviously, the additional concern is the GK, who I suspect might have a few threads of his own in the next few weeks.
We all know there's many aspects to a GKs portfolio of skills but quite rightly, a few questions were asked of TSL yesterday. Having seen the highlights a fee times now, it confirms his reaction time wasn't good. Even the incidents that didn't result in a goal, there seems to be a lag between his brain and his feet to get close enough to those shots into the corners or down at his feet.
On the positive side, yes he's decent kicking and came to gether a couple of crosses. Time will tell whether he can communicate well enough with Anderson and Wood, so they don't have to be over protective of him, and get dragged nearer to goal.
We know Seny Dieng and their centre half are top players, but they couldn't stop Ironside scoring a better of a header from a cross, so let's not be too hasty onTSL.
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
Is he home grown?
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=291774.msg1331087#msg1331087
And I agree with Goole Rover. He was very good on Tuesday. As I said yesterday, no poor getting on player’s backs after coming up against top championship opposition. It is a huge gulf in class and physicality.
Was it long enough to be considered as homegrown though?
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Most league 2 defenders will struggle against Championship attackers, I’ve seen our defenders being humiliated by league 2 attackers on numerous occasions. If he did well against Hull’s youth/reserves and struggled against Latte Lath etc, he might just be there or there abouts, I’m sure McCann is learning about him and telling him where he needs to improve, at least we have options for the first time in a while.
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I think Campsall’s team is what I’d go with and also what I’d expect, although I’d want Yeboah on the bench (for Flint).
With Westbrooke, Close, Anderson & Clifton still to come back it does show just how much competition we have for places - 4 or 5 senior players are going to miss out each week with a fully fit squad. Obviously it’s rare that will happen during the season but hopefully we have a bit more luck than previously on that front and it’s still a headache as to who makes the squad.
I thpught we had to have a homegrown on the bench Flint would be a good choice. Only one of the youngsters I've seen, including Faulkener, who might do well
McGrath
McGrath was terrible today. I know he was up against good players but he got dragged out of position many times including one almost on the half way line, got turned and they broke.
Has to improve a lot. CB is of my concerns if Anderson can’t stay fit, the last thing we want is Bailey getting put back there if we end up short.
100% agree, said this weeks ago and got shot with sh*t :chair:
Bit of perspective here. McGrath came on at 70 mins, along with Kasper Williams. Playing with a young keeper, you've got a quite inexperienced combination there playing against a top class Championship team.
That aint going to happen during the League Two season.
You previously said you think we need another centre half, and others said, we're unlikely to get one and we will manage with what we have. (At least until January) You weren't shot to sh*t.
These are fair comments about who McGrath was on the pitch with, accept that.
It just didn’t look great him getting pulled all over the place. I do actually think he’s got potential too, certainly a step up from the likes of Younger and Long.
But it’s clear he’s got a lot to learn and my concern is if we (a team targeting the title) need to play him week in, week out at this stage of his career….is he ready for that?
We need Wood and Anderson to stay fit.
what’s happened to Younger by the way?
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The squad as a whole is strong and exciting. Think back to last season on a number of occasions (Stockport away as a prime example) - we held our own until it was time for subs and we had a bench full of kids where the opponents had quality
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Defenders need to be able to defend, being easy on the eye is secondary'
All the best I have seen and in my time, I have watched the best can dish it out, are strong, physical, and don't mess about trying to be Ronaldo.
Think Argentina, think Brazil, think Italy, think Uruguay, thnik Germany how many know their wonderful central defenders by name they have had. and can roll them off the tongue.
You might know one or two, you will not know most and all them sides have had players who are household names, but their central defenders would kick their granny, and were indispensable to great sides, and were feared by strikers and star men of other teams, most not that easy on the eye, just great defenders.
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Defenders need to be able to defend, being easy on the eye is secondary'
All the best I have seen and in my time, I have watched the best can dish it out, are strong, physical, and don't mess about trying to be Ronaldo.
Think Argentina, think Brazil, think Italy, think Uruguay, thnik Germany how many know their wonderful central defenders by name they have had. and can roll them off the tongue.
You might know one or two, you will not know most and all them sides have had players who are household names, but their central defenders would kick their granny, and were indispensable to great sides, and were feared by strikers and star men of other teams, most not that easy on the eye, just great defenders.
Sorry but I don’t agree with the point I think you’re making. Household names is subjective, but all footballers that play at the top level like that can play. They reach that level because they can defend and play. Stick any of them at our level and they’d look like Franco Baresi!
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There's a lot of negativity around on this thread, can somebody tell me when we will come up against a side like Middlesbrough in League 2? Rovers had a good work out and did well against a team two divisions better than us. I suspect that GM will be pleased with what the squad have shown, and use it as a learning situation to improve the squad firther, that's the purpose of friendlies.
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The secret of being a top defender is not on the ball although I agree with you they could all play, but their main job was stopping others playing well and the secret is being in the right position off the ball, with the ball in front of you and you between your goal your defending and the ball and as tight as possible on the man you are facing, and being willing to do anything to stop the man getting in on goal.
Argentina won the world cup doing exactly that not because they were the best side. The team that troubled them the most was Holland who went long with a big lump up front when they went behind and extra time which made their defenders drop back into areas they couldn't depend on the tactical foul forty yards from their goal.
France were arrogant and thought they could out football them through the lines and got fouled to death in midfield and central areas.
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Defenders need to be able to defend, being easy on the eye is secondary'
All the best I have seen and in my time, I have watched the best can dish it out, are strong, physical, and don't mess about trying to be Ronaldo.
Think Argentina, think Brazil, think Italy, think Uruguay, thnik Germany how many know their wonderful central defenders by name they have had. and can roll them off the tongue.
You might know one or two, you will not know most and all them sides have had players who are household names, but their central defenders would kick their granny, and were indispensable to great sides, and were feared by strikers and star men of other teams, most not that easy on the eye, just great defenders.
Sorry but I don’t agree with the point I think you’re making. Household names is subjective, but all footballers that play at the top level like that can play. They reach that level because they can defend and play. Stick any of them at our level and they’d look like Franco Baresi!
Not sure I agree with you, we’ve had ex prem players turn out for us that I wouldn’t pay in washers. You have to have talent but application and the ability to learn from mistakes is far more important and not all those who play at a higher level have that. Yesterday was a far better test than Hull, it gave our team a glimpse of what they need to do to improve. Usually a beating is a far better lesson
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I’d agree on the lesson learning and I would add that one or two were maybe thinking ‘this is going to be easy’, particularly after the Hull game. It’s a perfect time to get a kick up the backside. The one thing that I wondered was why didn’t GM try to stem the flow and switch systems sooner? Surely, all these things have to be tried out before we kick off for real.
We needed that Boro’ game, as it really did ask a few questions - all over the pitch.
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I hope there’s no catastrophizing about our shortcomings after this one.
Boro will be competing for premier league promotion this year and had a strong end to last season.
*taps sign*
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I’d agree on the lesson learning and I would add that one or two were maybe thinking ‘this is going to be easy’, particularly after the Hull game. It’s a perfect time to get a kick up the backside. The one thing that I wondered was why didn’t GM try to stem the flow and switch systems sooner? Surely, all these things have to be tried out before we kick off for real.
We needed that Boro’ game, as it really did ask a few questions - all over the pitch.
He explained that in his post match interview.
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Highlights...
https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/2024/july/27/highlights--doncaster-rovers-3-boro-5/
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Highlights...
https://www.mfc.co.uk/news/2024/july/27/highlights--doncaster-rovers-3-boro-5/
Thought it at the time, and that confirms it TSL should have saved that first one easily, the Titanic went down quicker
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Lino missed 2 clear offside, the 2nd was their last goal
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Lino missed 2 clear offside, the 2nd was their last goal
I thought the last goal was offside but I was up the South end of the West Stand so kept me gob shut
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As was, and as did, I
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Same here Dagenham, but you can see from the highlights that the Lino on the East side was way behind play. It was offside.
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From West Stand it was way offside
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Watching those highlights wasn't pleasant - offside or not - TLT would only have conceded 1 out of the 5 I'm afraid.
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Watching those highlights wasn't pleasant - offside or not - TLT would only have conceded 1 out of the 5 I'm afraid.
Hopefully it was just a bad day at the office. Keepers have them but he needs to be better than that.
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Watching those highlights wasn't pleasant - offside or not - TLT would only have conceded 1 out of the 5 I'm afraid.
Hopefully it was just a bad day at the office. Keepers have them but he needs to be better than that.
Willing to look past those for 1 game. But watching those highlights, his dives were actually comical, even the shots that were off target.
Like you say, gonna need to be better than that.
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Can't help thinking the same. His hands/eyes don't even follow the flight of the ball. It seems he just dives in the general direction and hopes for the best.
We've got to give him a fair crack though.
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Watching those highlights wasn't pleasant - offside or not - TLT would only have conceded 1 out of the 5 I'm afraid.
Hopefully it was just a bad day at the office. Keepers have them but he needs to be better than that.
Willing to look past those for 1 game. But watching those highlights, his dives were actually comical, even the shots that were off target.
Like you say, gonna need to be better than that.
Way better. That goalkeeping performance was garbage.
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VAR ??
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Looked to lack athletic and gymnastic ability in those clips, probably can play with his feet though, which seems to be the main requirement nowadays as actually catching the ball has gone out of fashion.
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That centre forward play for our third goal :aok: