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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on August 22, 2024, 11:28:49 am
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After the loss at Newport it would be easy to jump up and down in frustration after we played poorly in that game, but it brought to an end a fantastic run of results, went against the form we had showed in preseason games when we played well just weeks before, and a good result against Accrington, and a good performance and result in the game at Salford in the cup, all while using quite a number of our squad who had all performed and contributed to those games.
Was it overconfidence? did we underestimate Newport? are they our Bogey side? or were they on the day a side that found themselves after a bad run and played well? it just happens usually like that game unexpectedly.
Now it is about our response, in a game that will not be easy against a side that ran one of the favourites in Gillingham close last week, and have made a couple of decent signings since that game.
Our supporters main interest at this time will be who will be in our team as starters? me I will leave that to our manager, but would like as few as possible at this juncture injury allowing, one bad game not a reason to go overboard, it's early in the season these things happen.
So what do you think?
Would you go for changes?
Can we get back on track and start another little good run of results?
Has the result at Newport shook your confidence?
Lot's to discuss as ever about one of our games coming up, Please have your say.
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Did you notice that someone already started a thread previewing the game?
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Did you notice that someone already started a thread previewing the game?
I don’t mind having 2. Selbys were always a good talking point the last few seasons. Also, sure I read a comment on here asking where Selbys ‘let’s talk about …’ threads had gone.
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Did you notice that someone already started a thread previewing the game?
I don’t mind having 2. Selbys were always a good talking point the last few seasons. Also, sure I read a comment on here asking where Selbys ‘let’s talk about …’ threads had gone.
That was me and I’ve done the other one.
I thought I’d ask before doing my own as they were missing for the first few games of the season.
Will leave it to the main man if he’s back.
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NC your always welcome for a different view , I admit I completely forgot the first two games, I plead an age related forgetfulness, in fact your great introduction to the game jogged the memory, and I admit I have watched some other games than the Rovers at junior level that have took my time.
The more the merrier that have an interest in the club and get others involved in stating their views as far as I am concerned.
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Nooooo, there's only one 'Lets talk about.....' original and best :)
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So Wood is out injured which could be longer. So it could Olowu and Anderson we then hope Anderson’s back is ok. McGrath on bench. Sterry Flemming with Nixon on the bench. Bailey and Kelly with Broadbent and Westwoode as back up.
Molyneux and Gibson with Yeboah and now Hurst as backup. Sbarra or Gibson behind Ironside or GM might risk Hurst if he’s ready then Billy as back up to Ironside. Who ever GM chooses to start the others are available to start against Everton
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So Wood is out injured which could be longer. So it could Olowu and Anderson we then hope Anderson’s back is ok. McGrath on bench. Sterry Flemming with Nixon on the bench. Bailey and Kelly with Broadbent and Westwoode as back up.
Molyneux and Gibson with Yeboah and now Hurst as backup. Sbarra or Gibson behind Ironside or GM might risk Hurst if he’s ready then Billy as back up to Ironside. Who ever GM chooses to start the others are available to start against Everton
Plus Clifton to consider in midfield.
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So Wood is out injured which could be longer. So it could Olowu and Anderson we then hope Anderson’s back is ok. McGrath on bench. Sterry Flemming with Nixon on the bench. Bailey and Kelly with Broadbent and Westwoode as back up.
Molyneux and Gibson with Yeboah and now Hurst as backup. Sbarra or Gibson behind Ironside or GM might risk Hurst if he’s ready then Billy as back up to Ironside. Who ever GM chooses to start the others are available to start against Everton
Plus Clifton to consider in midfield.
Think the 2nd Gibson is meant to be Clifton.
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My team for satdi.
TSL
Nixon
Olowu
Anderson
Fleming
Molly
Bailey
Clifton
Gibson
Sharp
Ironside
4-4 f**kin 2, git up em.
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Thank God you are alive Selby, your pre- match observations are always interesting and thought provoking.
I can't help having niggles of doubt after the Crewe and Newport games. We need a victory in this one. Man for man I believe we are better than Morecambe and it should be a comfortable win for us.
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Everyone was disappointed on Saturday which was natural after the way we had started the season the first two games and the fact Newport had not pulled any trees up.
Now it is about a new start again, the slate is clean and all our concentration should be on the task in front of us and trying to replicate the run of results we have just had in the league, which if we do will stand us in good stead for a good season.
It will not be easy, most teams are now scouting at levels in non league and lower EFL where the standard of players is higher than it ever was in my opinion.
Over the last few seasons I have watched quite a bit of non league and u21s games and the standard of player, the fitness levels, and the organisation of teams is very high in a lot of cases and it is no surprise to me that players like Bailey with us, and Evans at Newport last season to name a couple have made people take notice when they have stepped up to EFL level, a lot of people could put a competitive side together at our level from the non league world.
So we must in my opinion give any opponent the utmost respect, and be on our own game every week or as much as possible and not disrespect the smaller clubs in our division, they are quite capable of putting good sides together from players who have not had a Stella upbringing in the game.
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My team for satdi.
TSL
Nixon
Olowu
Anderson
Fleming
Molly
Bailey
Clifton
Gibson
Sharp
Ironside
4-4 f**kin 2, git up em.
I’d be surprised if Grant makes 3 changes to the defence although I do prefer Nixon to Sterry. I also doubt we will go two up top from the start.
TSL
Sterry Olowu Anderson Fleming
Bailey Kelly
Moly Hurst Yeboah
Ironside
Subs: Lawlor Nixon McGrath Sbarra Sharp Clifton Westbrooke
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My team for satdi.
TSL
Nixon
Olowu
Anderson
Fleming
Molly
Bailey
Clifton
Gibson
Sharp
Ironside
4-4 f**kin 2, git up em.
I’d be surprised if Grant makes 3 changes to the defence although I do prefer Nixon to Sterry. I also doubt we will go two up top from the start.
TSL
Sterry Olowu Anderson Fleming
Bailey Kelly
Moly Hurst Yeboah
Ironside
Subs: Lawlor Nixon McGrath Sbarra Sharp Clifton Westbrooke
Has Gibson done something to upset you? Would definitely start for me and I’d be shocked if he didn’t start tomorrow.
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My team for satdi.
TSL
Nixon
Olowu
Anderson
Fleming
Molly
Bailey
Clifton
Gibson
Sharp
Ironside
4-4 f**kin 2, git up em.
I’d be surprised if Grant makes 3 changes to the defence although I do prefer Nixon to Sterry. I also doubt we will go two up top from the start.
TSL
Sterry Olowu Anderson Fleming
Bailey Kelly
Moly Hurst Yeboah
Ironside
Subs: Lawlor Nixon McGrath Sbarra Sharp Clifton Westbrooke
I know, I just hate playing with one striker. Fashionable though int it.
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My team for satdi.
TSL
Nixon
Olowu
Anderson
Fleming
Molly
Bailey
Clifton
Gibson
Sharp
Ironside
4-4 f**kin 2, git up em.
I’d be surprised if Grant makes 3 changes to the defence although I do prefer Nixon to Sterry. I also doubt we will go two up top from the start.
TSL
Sterry Olowu Anderson Fleming
Bailey Kelly
Moly Hurst Yeboah
Ironside
Subs: Lawlor Nixon McGrath Sbarra Sharp Clifton Westbrooke
Has Gibson done something to upset you? Would definitely start for me and I’d be shocked if he didn’t start tomorrow.
No, I meant to put him on the bench. If Hurst isn’t fit I’d be tempted to play him behind Ironside. I just thought Yeboah offered more when he came on.
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All about opinions. I think Gibson is light years ahead of Yeboah.
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Convincing win needed to get our season back on track.
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All about opinions. I think Gibson is light years ahead of Yeboah.
At best Yeboah does not seem to quite know where he fits into the plan - although that might be said of quite a few.
Indeed, it is all very well to “mix it up” selection-wise for the cup games, but if you are aiming at cohesion, the best 11 probably need as many games with each other as possible at this stage of the season.
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Think Sharpe will replace ironside today ,Kelly should start and flemming
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All about opinions. I think Gibson is light years ahead of Yeboah.
At best Yeboah does not seem to quite know where he fits into the plan - although that might be said of quite a few.
Indeed, it is all very well to “mix it up” selection-wise for the cup games, but if you are aiming at cohesion, the best 11 probably need as many games with each other as possible at this stage of the season.
Probably a bit difficult given Grant doesn’t know what his best 11 is.
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Think Sharpe will replace ironside today ,Kelly should start and flemming
All starting with owlua
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No full back on the bench just McGrath
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Hell of a good subs bench for League 2.
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No nixon?
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Is Ironside going ???
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Is Ironside going ???
I hope not. Surely just squad rotation.
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Think Sharpe will replace ironside today ,Kelly should start and flemming
All starting with owlua
New signing from Wednesday? :lol:
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All about opinions. I think Gibson is light years ahead of Yeboah.
At best Yeboah does not seem to quite know where he fits into the plan - although that might be said of quite a few.
Indeed, it is all very well to “mix it up” selection-wise for the cup games, but if you are aiming at cohesion, the best 11 probably need as many games with each other as possible at this stage of the season.
I think Yeboah might work better playing off Ironside rather than Sharp which he hasn’t done yet
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Are we allowed to say on here that we were awful from the minute we scored? Onto the next.
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3 points but deary me! Awful game.
We look like strangers!
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Yeah weren’t great. That being said we score 4 on another day. Early days but Matty Craig is a massive loss
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Positive - 2ppg and promotion form, with a clean sheet in this game despite a makeshift defence.
Negative - the three sides we have beaten thus season are currently bottom, third bottom and fifth bottom. The side we lost against is in the play off places.
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3 points but deary me! Awful game.
We look like strangers!
Careful!
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Can’t really understand some of the doom and gloom
….Didn’t play that well today, mainly by giving the ball away with sloppy passing in the 2nd half which gave Morcambe momentum, however how we didn’t score 5 I’ve no idea, and considering TSL only had one save from THE free kick and 2 tip overs from corners, god help the opposition when we do play well.
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The good, the bad and the ugly today.
First 30 minutes there was a clear gulf in quality, after that we somehow let them back into a game they had no right to be in. Set pieces - bad. Some ugly defending to do. Lucky perhaps not to get a player sent off, but I thought Olowu did a very good job of mopping things up.
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Yeah weren’t great. That being said we score 4 on another day. Early days but Matty Craig is a massive loss
Craig and Adelakun are losses from last season without doubt, but Kelly looked very good. Yes we looked disjointed today at times, but we were easily the better team.
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Yeah weren’t great. That being said we score 4 on another day. Early days but Matty Craig is a massive loss
Craig and Adelakun are losses from last season without doubt, but Kelly looked very good. Yes we looked disjointed today at times, but we were easily the better team.
Adelakun is less of a loss because Gibson is a very good replacement. He nearly scored an excellent goal today.
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That referee was bloody terrible. How can he keep giving their goalkeeper a free kick when it's the keeper making the challenge?
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That referee was bloody terrible. How can he keep giving their goalkeeper a free kick when it's the keeper making the challenge?
He appeared to finally give up actually judging things around the 55 minute mark and started guessing from them on.
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It's three points. That's the positive, but anything less would have been unforgivable. The first half performance from Morecambe was as bad as anything I've seen since we returned to the League.
The concern is that we're still not looking like a unit with a system to play to.
Kelly certainly has something, no question, but he's raw and McCann was right to take him off when he did - he lost the ball 2-3 times in dangerous positions in the 10 mins before he came off.
Overall, we'll bank the 3 points, and we never really looked in danger. But I was hoping for a better performance against a side that I'd lump on to go down.
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That referee was bloody terrible. How can he keep giving their goalkeeper a free kick when it's the keeper making the challenge?
He appeared to finally give up actually judging things around the 55 minute mark and started guessing from them on.
Agreed, he had a decent first half but was shocking after that.
Probably the most unbelievable thing was just before the first Hirst free kick.
He paced out ten yards and drew a line on the ground.
Then went back to get the “wall” to move back the the line, about two yards behind them, but when they didn’t go back he simply drew another line where they had stood.
Pathetic refereeing.
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It's three points. That's the positive, but anything less would have been unforgivable. The first half performance from Morecambe was as bad as anything I've seen since we returned to the League.
The concern is that we're still not looking like a unit with a system to play to.
Kelly certainly has something, no question, but he's raw and McCann was right to take him off when he did - he lost the ball 2-3 times in dangerous positions in the 10 mins before he came off.
Overall, we'll bank the 3 points, and we never really looked in danger. But I was hoping for a better performance against a side that I'd lump on to go down.
Since we returned to the league I can give terrible performance from teams, and here’s one
Doncaster Rovers 0 Morcambe 5
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That referee was bloody terrible. How can he keep giving their goalkeeper a free kick when it's the keeper making the challenge?
I thought he had a good game, we should have been down to 10men
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Are there enough runs in behind from Gibson and Molyneux?
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That referee was bloody terrible. How can he keep giving their goalkeeper a free kick when it's the keeper making the challenge?
He appeared to finally give up actually judging things around the 55 minute mark and started guessing from them on.
Agreed, he had a decent first half but was shocking after that.
Probably the most unbelievable thing was just before the first Hirst free kick.
He paced out ten yards and drew a line on the ground.
Then went back to get the “wall” to move back the the line, about two yards behind them, but when they didn’t go back he simply drew another line where they had stood.
Pathetic refereeing.
Right at the end when it was a morecambe throw right at the corner flag and their player took it level with the penalty area was laughable.
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That referee was bloody terrible. How can he keep giving their goalkeeper a free kick when it's the keeper making the challenge?
I thought he had a good game, we should have been down to 10men
Why? Olowu was covering behind Fleming which the ref was clearly explaining to the moaning Shrimpers, assuming that is the incident you mean
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That referee was bloody terrible. How can he keep giving their goalkeeper a free kick when it's the keeper making the challenge?
He appeared to finally give up actually judging things around the 55 minute mark and started guessing from them on.
Agreed, he had a decent first half but was shocking after that.
Probably the most unbelievable thing was just before the first Hirst free kick.
He paced out ten yards and drew a line on the ground.
Then went back to get the “wall” to move back the the line, about two yards behind them, but when they didn’t go back he simply drew another line where they had stood.
Pathetic refereeing.
Right at the end when it was a morecambe throw right at the corner flag and their player took it level with the penalty area was laughable.
I think there's been a policy decision to ignore players pinching 10-12 yards. It was very noticeable at the Euros.
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Are there enough runs in behind from Gibson and Molyneux?
Nope, Gibson doesn't look like that kind of player currently, great player though.
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3 points but deary me! Awful game.
We look like strangers!
I've sat through 90 mins on cold Tuesday nights in the not too distant past where we've done absolutely nothing, got a pasting and wondering why I keep coming.
Your description of "awful" is so far detached from reality it's just laughable.
I've never been a happy clapper. But wow, have people completely lost their minds here? We win 1-0 and it's an awful game.
We admittedly looked a bit disjointed and frustrating not to score more than 1 against what looked a poor side. But we had plenty of good plays, chances that should've gone in etc.
It wasn't a stunning victory but it was far from an awful game.
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Yeah weren’t great. That being said we score 4 on another day. Early days but Matty Craig is a massive loss
Matty Craig, who took about 4/5 games at this level to warm up.
We are lacking a bit in that area but the solution might already be on the pitch..
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Kane also took a good few games to get up to full 90 mins. It is a lot different from PL youth football and takes some adjusting.
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Are there enough runs in behind from Gibson and Molyneux?
Nope, Gibson doesn't look like that kind of player currently, great player though.
Well then this is the main problem. Not whoever is or isn’t in midfield
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Not the greatest of performances but hitting the woodwork a few times didn't help and how many would be ecstatic if they had gone in and we had come away with a big score win with exactly the same performance.
For us to do what we want to do and get near the top of the division we need the Eco to be our fortress and pick points up away as well.
A good habit is winning when you don't play that well, and after the shock last week I will take the win because we will play well and lose this season.
We are away to a decent start even though we are nowhere near as good as we can be as we have a team that can improve as a collective and individually with experience.
Let's go for another good unbeaten run.
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I thought Flemming was excellent. Took one for the team first half too
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I think the perfectly reasonable concern is that we've played three of the bookies' top 4 favourites to go down, and we haven't really got a system working yet.
We've got 6 points, which is great of course, but we are going to have to play a lot better than we've done to date if we are going to get anything from the next two games.
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If no wide forwards are making runs in behind Joe and Billy up top are going to struggle to be effective through no fault of their own
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I thought Flemming was excellent. Took one for the team first half too
Very good going forward but he was regularly out of position against their No7 in the first half. That No7 along with the No8 were the only two players who looked remotely up to L2 standard. The rest looked like National League North players.
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Folks are raving about Gillingham. Walsall in top three, guess what? neither scored a hatful v Morcambe.
1-0 I think.
Morcambe were under an embargo so looked doomed.Hence the favourites to go down.
They’ve recently had that sorted and brought in nearly 20 players, so maybe they’re in a better place than they’re given credit for.
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They weren't in a better place that first half. They were utterly dreadful. Misplaced simple passes, a retreat to their 30 yard level every time we got the ball, total absence of any physical aggression or threat, and a keeper that we know well is as trustworthy as Jermaine Jenas with a mobile.
They were absolutely awful.
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That referee was bloody terrible. How can he keep giving their goalkeeper a free kick when it's the keeper making the challenge?
He appeared to finally give up actually judging things around the 55 minute mark and started guessing from them on.
Great shout. It's like he couldn't be bothered to concentrate any more and just became completely whistle happy.
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I think as bad as Morecambe were, especially first half, Adams had them fairly well organised playing really deep nullifying Mollyneux & Gibson, I can only remember us getting in behind a couple of times first half, which had they go in changes the game & our 2nd half performance completely.
Much as I dislike the guy Adams had his team of mostly poor players (Slew & the Liverpool lad aside), playing like they could take something from the game, & our poor ball retention was helping them to do that. Thankfully our defence kept them out & deservedly kept a clean sheet & 3 points.
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I think the perfectly reasonable concern is that we've played three of the bookies' top 4 favourites to go down, and we haven't really got a system working yet.
We've got 6 points, which is great of course, but we are going to have to play a lot better than we've done to date if we are going to get anything from the next two games.
I have to disagree with the “system” comments. We have proven goals all over the pitch so whatever system we are playing it is smack bang in the face working. In the last 2 games we have 2 goals but could have easily been 5,6,7….? And I agree that’s when we have played below parr. I hope we don’t change system anytime soon.
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My first game of the season and I thought we were ok and comfortably the better side. We should have scored two or three more.
Yes, things to work on and some improvement required in certain parts of the pitch.
However, a big difference to a year ago.
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3 points but deary me! Awful game.
We look like strangers!
Careful!
Shurrup you
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Negative - the three sides we have beaten thus season are currently bottom, third bottom and fifth bottom. The side we lost against is in the play off places.
Are you serious?
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I think the perfectly reasonable concern is that we've played three of the bookies' top 4 favourites to go down, and we haven't really got a system working yet.
We've got 6 points, which is great of course, but we are going to have to play a lot better than we've done to date if we are going to get anything from the next two games.
I have to disagree with the “system” comments. We have proven goals all over the pitch so whatever system we are playing it is smack bang in the face working. In the last 2 games we have 2 goals but could have easily been 5,6,7….? And I agree that’s when we have played below parr. I hope we don’t change system anytime soon.
Any average football game could be 5-5 if everyone took their chances all the time, but they don’t.
The Accrington game could have easily been 1-1. Three amazing finishes that are hard to replicate.
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I think the perfectly reasonable concern is that we've played three of the bookies' top 4 favourites to go down, and we haven't really got a system working yet.
We've got 6 points, which is great of course, but we are going to have to play a lot better than we've done to date if we are going to get anything from the next two games.
I have to disagree with the “system” comments. We have proven goals all over the pitch so whatever system we are playing it is smack bang in the face working. In the last 2 games we have 2 goals but could have easily been 5,6,7….? And I agree that’s when we have played below parr. I hope we don’t change system anytime soon.
Any average football game could be 5-5 if everyone took their chances all the time, but they don’t.
The Accrington game could have easily been 1-1. Three amazing finishes that are hard to replicate.
My point being we are creating numerous guilt edged chances whereas we last season and the season before we went many games creating nothing. While we aren’t at our fluent best and still scoring goals I don’t think it’s too much of a bad thing.