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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on August 27, 2024, 10:51:33 pm
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Not a place we have had much success at in the past when I have gone there, and a meeting with Darren Moore's side who will want to put one over us as much as we would like to beat them.
Beaten 4-0 in their game last weekend they will want to bounce back as much as we need to after our defeat at Everton where we played some decent football but hardly laid a glove on their goal as Everton just held us at arms length.
Anderson probably comes back in to partner Olowu and Lawlor will revert to the bench again and a hard game will be in prospect for us as the Vale drew their fist game at home 0-0 so will want to open their account with goals against us.
If Moore goes to type our press on their back line and midfield could be the catalyst for any success we might have as he loves playing out from the back and across the field, and closing it down could bring success.
At Everton this evening the changes we made to the starting line up didn't seem to upset our game too much and with six changes from Saturday's starting line up shows we have for our level strength in depth.
More important is our approach to the game after the disappointment at Newport where we were unexpectedly poor and we need to be better than that.
Without hitting the heights of our run last season we have started steady away, the shocker at Newport hopefully a one off and behind us.
So after our joust with Everton it is back to the importance of the league games and a test of can we go again on a run of unbeaten games, this fixture is likely to show where we are at with regard to most in the division, and in an unusual early start.
Lots to discuss about this game, a bit of an unknown opponent who we have not met for a while, and our old manager at the helm adding a bit of edge to the game. What do you think?
Will the starting line up resemble last weeks line up against Morecambe? or the Everton starting line up?
Please have your say.
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Our form against Port Vale in recent history is one of the odder runs we have. The last five games home and away have seen Port Vale have four wins and a draw. The previous five games had Rovers with four wins and a draw.
Our last two visits there have seen us get beaten 3-0 on both occasions. We last scored a goal at Vale Park in November 2007 (Guy, Hayter and Wellens).
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About time weset about changing that then, the group looks strong after the last two games v Everton and Morecambe and we have alternatives that can come in for the first time in a long time.
A win would make a statement and give confidence although Vale will not be easy we need to build on the performance last night, the team selection is getting harder and what the manager is paid for to sort out and guide the way forward.
Another little run of wins is what we want to aim for, and we look stronger than when we did it last season, we need to just go for it.
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I wonder if the impact of the Everton game might leave some players jaded for the weekend. PV have not had a mid week match, they would have trained all week and be fresh for Saturday’s game. We could be a end of a hiding.
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I wonder if the impact of the Everton game might leave some players jaded for the weekend. PV have not had a mid week match, they would have trained all week and be fresh for Saturday’s game. We could be a end of a hiding.
I predict:
TSL
Sterry Olowu Anderson Fleming
Westbrooke
Clifton Broadbent
Molyneux Sharp Gibson
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I believe this could be the team
TSL
Sterry. Anderson. McGrath. Fleming
Bailey. Kelly
Clifton
Molyneux. Ironside. Gibson
Subs. Lawlor. Senior or Yeboah Olowu. Broadbent Sbarra.or Westbrooke. Hurst Sharp
Senior if Grant goes extra defender Yeboah if extra attacker
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I wonder if the impact of the Everton game might leave some players jaded for the weekend. PV have not had a mid week match, they would have trained all week and be fresh for Saturday’s game. We could be a end of a hiding.
Away trips Tues/Sat aren’t easy. Especially against a team that has had a full weeks prep.
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I wonder if the impact of the Everton game might leave some players jaded for the weekend. PV have not had a mid week match, they would have trained all week and be fresh for Saturday’s game. We could be a end of a hiding.
I predict:
TSL
Sterry Olowu Anderson Fleming
Westbrooke
Clifton Broadbent
Molyneux Sharp Gibson
He won’t drop Bailey
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Don't forget the 12-30 pm kick off on Saturday for broadcasting reasons no doubt.
Means an early set off for those traveling to the game which could be a bonus with congestion.
The teams picked by supporters show we now have options with cover for most places, the difficult part Grants, finding the optimum mix that is our best team, which to be honest I would have difficulty with as most have had good games over preseason and the few competitive games we have had so the onus is on the management to find the successful formula he found last season.
If he does, and I am confident in them to do so, we could be in for a very good season, here's hoping
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I don't think Port Vale are all that. Terrible pre season and a surprising 0-2 win at Salford on opening day. A 4-0 humbling last time out at Barrow shows they are vulnerable but credit to Barrow for putting them away with some good goals.
We've seen quite a bit of chopping and changing already and you wonder how much more before McCann finds the right blend and balance, particularly in midfield.
As yet, we've not been a cohesive unit and been that convincing over a full 90 mins.
When do we start getting better service to Ironside and getting him into the game more, and I don't mean just having the usual wrestling match with their centre halves. Surely, there's more he can contribute if we avoid going long with high balls and try to play to feet. Have we seen any of our players look like they're getting an understanding with him? Where are the inviting crosses for him to attack?
It's early days but we need to improve our off the ball movement and passing. Doing so for short periods in games isn't going to be enough to separate us from the rest of the pack.
Despite PV being overated by the bookies, we will need to put on our best show yet to win this. We have the players, can we get them on the pitch in the right order at the right time?
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Positive news about Tom Nixon he could be available this weekend against Port Vale so apart from Maxwell and Wood all other players are available for Saturday and Tuesday
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Bin off Sterry, awful defender. Nixon gets my vote for a run of games.
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I don't think Port Vale are all that. Terrible pre season and a surprising 0-2 win at Salford on opening day. A 4-0 humbling last time out at Barrow shows they are vulnerable but credit to Barrow for putting them away with some good goals.
We've seen quite a bit of chopping and changing already and you wonder how much more before McCann finds the right blend and balance, particularly in midfield.
As yet, we've not been a cohesive unit and been that convincing over a full 90 mins.
When do we start getting better service to Ironside and getting him into the game more, and I don't mean just having the usual wrestling match with their centre halves. Surely, there's more he can contribute if we avoid going long with high balls and try to play to feet. Have we seen any of our players look like they're getting an understanding with him? Where are the inviting crosses for him to attack?
It's early days but we need to improve our off the ball movement and passing. Doing so for short periods in games isn't going to be enough to separate us from the rest of the pack.
Despite PV being overated by the bookies, we will need to put on our best show yet to win this. We have the players, can we get them on the pitch in the right order at the right time?
Not necessarily :cool:
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Bin off Sterry, awful defender. Nixon gets my vote for a run of games.
Must admit I prefer Nixon. He looked good v Villa and has whenever I’ve seen him.
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Can see Gibson being dropped for Hurst or Yeboah and Ironside coming in for Sharp.
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TSL
Nixon
Olowu
Anderson
Fleming
Westbrooke
Bailey
Clifton
Moly
Ironside
Gibson
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Bin off Sterry, awful defender. Nixon gets my vote for a run of games.
I agree.
Sterry at fault for goal 2 and 3 against Everton, awful positioning and defending. Does it regular. One other week when he was doing his hair after half time, left his man at back post.
Maybe a bit harsh BUT I would give Nixon a decent run and make Sterry win the shirt back.
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PV forum know the dangers of Moly and Gibs. They are wondering where their next goal is coming from. They are also complaining about DM ponderous formations especially his five man defence.
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Based on what he did at Everton, Fleming looks the sort of player who is able to "read" the game from the organisational point of view as a match progresses and should be a real asset. We have lacked dynamism in these league games and we won't beat good teams without it.
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If Nixon is ready then GM could change him for Sterry depends if he ready to play
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Based on what he did at Everton, Fleming looks the sort of player who is able to "read" the game from the organisational point of view as a match progresses and should be a real asset. We have lacked dynamism in these league games and we won't beat good teams without it.
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Fleming wasn’t in the squad for Everton
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Based on what he did at Everton, Fleming looks the sort of player who is able to "read" the game from the organisational point of view as a match progresses and should be a real asset. We have lacked dynamism in these league games and we won't beat good teams without it.
Agree. Fleming can change feet in an instant which can get him past players even without having to be quick, so as we saw in his debut, he can get to the byline and get crosses in, which we don't see much of down the left. He also can cut in and shoot , which means he can work better in tandem with Gibson, over or underlapping etc.
I think I would also tend to agree with the choice of Nixon if he's fit enough to start. Will just give us a bit more robustness in defence than Sterry.
As for midfield. Crikey. Away from home I would probably favour Bailey and Broadbent as two sitters staying fairly close together, with Clifton just in front doing alot of the free running and closing down, plus occasionally getting up to support Ironside. Hopefully, that combo will help us to get them on the break, but the passing to the runners will have to be spot on.
Gibson and Moly both prepared to do the diagonal runs to beat the offsides.
Be a bit more patient, less gung ho trying to force things and let's suck them in.
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Another addition to the Port Vale ranks....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c86lyd86n93o
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McGrath in for Olowu. Sharp in for Ironside. Midfield of Westbrooke, Clifton and Bailey. Senior and Nixon not in squad.
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Lot's going on in this game especially off the ball that is either being let go or hasn't been seen by the officials.
Anderson and McGrath looking solid now 3-1 Moly onto a great through ball showed pace and composure and right foot as well a great strike across the keeper as he came out, we just need to keep it going. for a good away result.
It has been a physical game another ref would have had a field day at with bookings, and at the beginning of last season we would have probably shrunk away from.
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Their penalty sounded a bit suspect.
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Great result and even sweeter to beat DM!! :boxing:
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Amazing result well
Done
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Great 3 points. Still things to work on but the important thing is to measure our progress compared to this time last season and, how close we are to the 2 points per game average. Position in the league is only cosmetic at this stage.
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Agreed decent points total and I think there is still a lot of improvement still to come
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We won because of the quality and interplay of Sharp, Molyneux and Gibson up front. Must be the best attacking line up in the league. Everything else is a bit more average at the moment.
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The bigger discussion in this game was that of the referee!
Appalling.
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Great result and some great finishes to boot! Thanks Mols for the fantasy EFL points!
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Their penalty sounded a bit suspect.
stonewall. God knows whatvTom was doing
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Lots of criticism of the penalty in the Lucky Pint but it was rightly given for me. Lots of other suspect decisions but Anderson was at fault there.
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Good win, though. We were under pressure for large spells so to come away with 3 points is a great result. Two more terrific goals for Moly as well with two excellent assists.
Midfield still doesn’t look right, though. Still struggling to find the right balance.
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I think Port Vale will get better as the season goes on, so to get 3 points there will be a massive result when we look back!
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Lots of criticism of the penalty in the Lucky Pint but it was rightly given for me. Lots of other suspect decisions but Anderson was at fault there.
Maybe it was rightly given but the problem I have with the decision is that you hardly ever see those situations given. And the defender went down far too easily and theatrically for me. but tbf I only saw it on the telly box.
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Even at 3-1 I was convinced we'd blow it. I agree midfield needs sorting but massive result. We'll done lads.
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Super win against a side who I thought would be our hardest opponents so far in the league.
I’m sat here again thinking that should have been 1-5. On second viewing I think it’s a penalty on Yeboah.
Then Tom’s brain fart with the ball sailing high over him and Stockly. Think Grant might have a word. However at least Big Dave got a Pelanty.
3 class goals with lightning quick breaks, and top class passes to create them.
McGrath, with an unbelievable overhead of the line, and winning 2 attacking headers leaping way over their defenders, if he can get his direction right we’ll have a CB with a goal tally.
Well done lads!
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Sterry was a lot better today
Fleming shaky but was up against Cover and the young sub who were both rapid
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Remember early on in the big run last season there were a few shaky or tight wins so I’m not overly concerned that there isn’t the right balance etc yet. Winning breeds confidence which will improve everything we do. Soon it’ll look like a well oiled machine
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Remember early on in the big run last season there were a few shaky or tight wins so I’m not overly concerned that there isn’t the right balance etc yet. Winning breeds confidence which will improve everything we do. Soon it’ll look like a well oiled machine
Exactly. Many games will be in the balance but if you win more than you lose, it's a good formula.
It's a good start to say we're asking questions of the squad while still learning about many of our players, who are still learning about each other.
Same with McCann who is prepared to mix things up, giving everyone a chance to perform. I reckon he'll keep doing this for at least ten games before getting a bit more ruthless with selections.
For example. One of the players who's yet to get going is Yeboah. We've seen both McCann and Byrne walking off the pitch with him, giving him one to one advice, as they know if he can realise some of his potential, he could have had two or three goals already. That arm round the shoulder is just what young players need.
All the little refinements, reducing mistakes, improving confidence will as you say, just add a little premium oil to that machine.
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Remember early on in the big run last season there were a few shaky or tight wins so I’m not overly concerned that there isn’t the right balance etc yet. Winning breeds confidence which will improve everything we do. Soon it’ll look like a well oiled machine
Exactly. Many games will be in the balance but if you win more than you lose, it's a good formula.
It's a good start to say we're asking questions of the squad while still learning about many of our players, who are still learning about each other.
Same with McCann who is prepared to mix things up, giving everyone a chance to perform. I reckon he'll keep doing this for at least ten games before getting a bit more ruthless with selections.
For example. One of the players who's yet to get going is Yeboah. We've seen both McCann and Byrne walking off the pitch with him, giving him one to one advice, as they know if he can realise some of his potential, he could have had two or three goals already. That arm round the shoulder is just what young players need.
All the little refinements, reducing mistakes, improving confidence will as you say, just add a little premium oil to that machine.
Yeboah’s got quick feet, but having won the ball in a tight position he seems slow to capitalise on the possession and often he loses it again. The quick feet are a gift, but deciding what to do afterwards requires development of his judgment - as you imply.
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It’s not a pen for me, the ball was nowhere near them and stockley was never going to get anywhere near it, realised that and just fell over
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It’s not a pen for me, the ball was nowhere near them and stockley was never going to get anywhere near it, realised that and just fell over
Disagree. Ball was in the vicinity and Tom clearly pulls his shirt had. Stonewall pen
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Lots of criticism of the penalty in the Lucky Pint but it was rightly given for me. Lots of other suspect decisions but Anderson was at fault there.
Absolutely shocking decision for me, had a great view of it, Stockley knew the ball was over his head & threw himself to the ground, more in hope & desperation, never a penalty, so both he & the ref are cheating w---ers, justice was done with us receiving the 3 points.
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Good battling win today, its still obvious that we're not fully on it yet, the side are still getting to grips with each other after last season and it will take time, but the omens are good. Some of the interplay still lacks snap and accuracy, its those under hit or mistimed passes, the over hit crosses, these are the kind of things that will get trimmed down and allow us to really kick on.
PV don't look a bad side and i was thinking like others that this would be a difficult game for us, but GM is starting to instil a strength of character that will realy pay off going forwards.
On today's play, the pass from BS to allow Mols into space for the first was perfect. Fantastic shot to finish it off. Midfield is still a work in development which i think was affected by the midweek game at Everton. Clifton coming back into the side is a real breath of energy for our go forward, in our away games id like to see him play there but at home i'd be tempted to have Sbarra in front of him and Bailey, he looks like a player who could play virtually anywhere in the side. Not Westbrookes biggest fan but i thought he played well today.
Thought the defence as a unit were solid and tight today, Sterry was much better and with McGrath having a tremendous game alongside Anderson who was not shabby himself we looked good, the amount of work TSL had to do was testament to the four in front of him, that clearance of the line was masterful. Their penalty was weak, both players holding on to each other, and then Stockley throwing himself forward to the ground should have been enough doubt for a competent ref, as it was this fella was quite poor and allowed a great many infringements to go for both sides. Our penalty shout did not look much better and i was not surprised to not get it given. 8 mins at the end was bordering on corruption.
Overall a good, battling and combative performance which i'd imagine GM will be over the moon with. The response after the Everton games was exactly what we wanted and needed.
Keep it going lads.
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Lots of criticism of the penalty in the Lucky Pint but it was rightly given for me. Lots of other suspect decisions but Anderson was at fault there.
Absolutely shocking decision for me, had a great view of it, Stockley knew the ball was over his head & threw himself to the ground, more in hope & desperation, never a penalty, so both he & the ref are cheating w---ers, justice was done with us receiving the 3 points.
your entitles ronyour view but qhere I was it was a clear massive pull on the blokes shirt. Completely unnecessary
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As Grant points out, and confirmed by Kevin Friend pre season, if there is grappling and the ball is nowhere near it will be ignored
This ref obviously didn't get the message
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Well, if you look at the highlights. Right after we see McGrath clearing off the line. The next passage of play you can see the PV player get grabbed by Tom as he runs by. They both disappear out of shot but when they emerge again, as the cross comes in, Tom has still got hold of him. I think the refs seen it but the PV player emphasised the point by going to ground. Can't blame ref for giving that as Tom's had hold off him while the players trying to break free.
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Their penalty sounded a bit suspect.
A bit it was a shocking decision,the ref was poor all game for both sides
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McCann has to learn when we go a goal up, especially away from home that we need to take a bit more control defensively. The penalty decision needs to be spoken about and made viral even though we won the game it’s a complete farce of a decision.
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If a pen was given every time a defender holds an attacker or pulls a shirt then we would have about ten pens a game.
It doesn’t make it ok of course.
It is rare for pens to be given of course, in these circumstances.
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It’s become a farce. At corners, why are referees stepping in before the kick is taken to tell players to be good boys and play fair. Why don’t they keep out of it and simply award a free kick or a penalty for the numerous fouls that occur when the ball floats in, then believe it or not even dumb players may start to understand it’s not the best scenario to wrestle in a footy match, ….Well, Eventually
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Forgot to note that the ball from Sharp for the first goal was a joke. As was Gibson’s who I’ve been critical of.
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It’s not a pen for me, the ball was nowhere near them and stockley was never going to get anywhere near it, realised that and just fell over
Disagree. Ball was in the vicinity and Tom clearly pulls his shirt had. Stonewall pen
Think you need to watch it again,
The ball was not going to be got to be either of them
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On the highlights it’s clear the ball is way over their heads, as also explained by Molyneux in his interview. Then Grant adds further clarity to the situation with their pre-season meeting with referees and what should happen. This ref can’t have had any feedback from that meeting and, if he had, he chose to ignore it.
Then he decides to give no penalty for a tackle on Yeboah inside the 18 yard box. What’s his theory on that one, I wonder!
It’s diabolical.
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Only seen the highlights so can’t comment on the ref overall. But with the pen why as a centre half would you take a lump of the centre forward shirt around his collar. Stupid decision by Anderson.
Yeah it’s going over both players heads but a shirt pull is a shirt pull isn’t it?
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It’s not a pen for me, the ball was nowhere near them and stockley was never going to get anywhere near it, realised that and just fell over
Disagree. Ball was in the vicinity and Tom clearly pulls his shirt had. Stonewall pen
Think you need to watch it again,
The ball was not going to be got to be either of them
It would provide a bit more assurance if the ref was obliged to consult his assistant to get a second opinion, the problem being that he can’t watch all 15 plus players at once.
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On the highlights it’s clear the ball is way over their heads, as also explained by Molyneux in his interview. Then Grant adds further clarity to the situation with their pre-season meeting with referees and what should happen. This ref can’t have had any feedback from that meeting and, if he had, he chose to ignore it.
Then he decides to give no penalty for a tackle on Yeboah inside the 18 yard box. What’s his theory on that one, I wonder!
It’s diabolical.
If that was a penalty today then there should be one given following every corner & set piece all over the country. Pathetic.
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On the highlights it’s clear the ball is way over their heads, as also explained by Molyneux in his interview. Then Grant adds further clarity to the situation with their pre-season meeting with referees and what should happen. This ref can’t have had any feedback from that meeting and, if he had, he chose to ignore it.
Then he decides to give no penalty for a tackle on Yeboah inside the 18 yard box. What’s his theory on that one, I wonder!
It’s diabolical.
If that was a penalty today then there should be one given following every corner & set piece all over the country. Pathetic.
And Joe Ironside would have won a thousand free kicks last season
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Lots of criticism of the penalty in the Lucky Pint but it was rightly given for me. Lots of other suspect decisions but Anderson was at fault there.
Absolutely shocking decision for me, had a great view of it, Stockley knew the ball was over his head & threw himself to the ground, more in hope & desperation, never a penalty, so both he & the ref are cheating w---ers, justice was done with us receiving the 3 points.
your entitles ronyour view but qhere I was it was a clear massive pull on the blokes shirt. Completely unnecessary
Yes all about opinions, stick with mine though that Stockley farcically dived, & forwards at that, from a shirt pull.
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Really good game yesterday & one we deserved to win against a side with good players. The pairing of Anderson & McGrath looks very promising, dealt with almost everything PV through at them. Great 3 points.
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If Joe or Billy win penalties in exactly the same scenario, then I don't think folk would be protesting as strongly. More likely defending the ref for applying the rules.
So, our players need to make sure the ref knows about it when their shirts are being pulled.
Back to the game. Another important step towards where we want to be. Also maybe folk will be realising Newport aren't the pushovers they think they should be. Barrow still looking good as they did last season. Winning football matches still largely depends on well coached, well managed and well prepared players gelling together and committing to a game plan.
I don't think Vale fans are seeing many of those qualities and their patience is wearing thin with Moore. For our sake, I hope he stays in the job a while longer yet.
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If Joe or Billy win penalties in exactly the same scenario, then I don't think folk would be protesting as strongly. More likely defending the ref for applying the rules.
So, our players need to make sure the ref knows about it when their shirts are being pulled.
Back to the game. Another important step towards where we want to be. Also maybe folk will be realising Newport aren't the pushovers they think they should be. Barrow still looking good as they did last season. Winning football matches still largely depends on well coached, well managed and well prepared players gelling together and committing to a game plan.
I don't think Vale fans are seeing many of those qualities and their patience is wearing thin with Moore. For our sake, I hope he stays in the job a while longer yet.
Didn’t Moore get quite a long contract with Vale.
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5 year deal - not 5 months!
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Yes Alan, I thought it was five years.