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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: albie on August 31, 2024, 03:00:21 pm
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights
Jay got lucky with the header back, but a great clearance off the line.
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I once had my shirt pulled.
I fell backwards not flat forwards on my chest with my arms spread out
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What a ball from Gibson.
Great penalty from their lad too.
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He stopped in his run up?
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I thought he had and my wife said is it allowed to stop in your run up?
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Those abroad might be better with an mp4 link;
https://videos.skysports.com/media/v1/pmp4/static/clear/6057984924001/2a497ec3-5c27-4224-85e1-454d65730e05/f941590e-672d-4ccf-8a59-2e1b868bf42f/main.mp4
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Those abroad might be better with an mp4 link;
https://videos.skysports.com/media/v1/pmp4/static/clear/6057984924001/2a497ec3-5c27-4224-85e1-454d65730e05/f941590e-672d-4ccf-8a59-2e1b868bf42f/main.mp4
Thank you albie for taking time out to do the link…
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I thought he had and my wife said is it allowed to stop in your run up?
It’s not allowed for a player to stop on the run up to take a penalty.
It is a yellow card offence and if a goal is subsequently scored it should be disallowed.
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Thanks Houd confirmed what ai told her
Now watch the the replay of their penalty did he stop?
It's time this stuttering approach was stopped
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I thought he had and my wife said is it allowed to stop in your run up?
It’s not allowed for a player to stop on the run up to take a penalty.
It is a yellow card offence and if a goal is subsequently scored it should be disallowed.
Wrong, a player can stop/feint in the run up but not at the ball I believe. It was a good penalty.
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I thought he had and my wife said is it allowed to stop in your run up?
It’s not allowed for a player to stop on the run up to take a penalty.
It is a yellow card offence and if a goal is subsequently scored it should be disallowed.
I think it's all changed. Player can do what they want before taking the kick. As can the keeper as long as at the point the kick is taken, he has at least one foot planted on or behind the goal line. .
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Was there today that ball from Gibson was very good looking at it on the highlights , shapes ball to Luke was superb for the opener
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I thought he had and my wife said is it allowed to stop in your run up?
It’s not allowed for a player to stop on the run up to take a penalty.
It is a yellow card offence and if a goal is subsequently scored it should be disallowed.
I think it's all changed. Player can do what they want before taking the kick. As can the keeper as long as at the point the kick is taken, he has at least one foot planted on or behind the goal line. .
I just found this on Google, dated July 2024.
“Because your run-up is considered to be complete when you stop, and once you stop, you have to kick the ball. If you stop, pause, then strike the ball, the goal (assuming you score) is disallowed, and you get a yellow card.9 Jul 2024”
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I thought he had and my wife said is it allowed to stop in your run up?
It’s not allowed for a player to stop on the run up to take a penalty.
It is a yellow card offence and if a goal is subsequently scored it should be disallowed.
I think it's all changed. Player can do what they want before taking the kick. As can the keeper as long as at the point the kick is taken, he has at least one foot planted on or behind the goal line. .
I just found this on Google, dated July 2024.
“Because your run-up is considered to be complete when you stop, and once you stop, you have to kick the ball. If you stop, pause, then strike the ball, the goal (assuming you score) is disallowed, and you get a yellow card.9 Jul 2024”
Well these are the FA rules.
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick
If there's a directive that says a player can't stutter their run, fair enough, I stand corrected, but there's plenty of examples recently where we've seen it happen and, the ref didn't see anything wrong with it today.
I've always thought if the keeper dives early then it's his fault.
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If we’re disallowing penalties like that today we’d be disallowing 90% of penalties scored in modern football.
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Gibson looked to have a decent game to be fair, he is slotting in well and creating opportunities for others.
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Gibson looked to have a decent game to be fair, he is slotting in well and creating opportunities for others.
He’s got loads of ability. Hope he remains consistent all season.
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Moly’s goals were both terrific. Great balls through from Sharp and particularly Gibson (lovely bit of skill beforehand from him to beat the man that sadly didn’t make the cut), and Moly puts them both away beautifully. He’s full of confidence, long may it continue.
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I thought he had and my wife said is it allowed to stop in your run up?
It’s not allowed for a player to stop on the run up to take a penalty.
It is a yellow card offence and if a goal is subsequently scored it should be disallowed.
I think it's all changed. Player can do what they want before taking the kick. As can the keeper as long as at the point the kick is taken, he has at least one foot planted on or behind the goal line. .
I just found this on Google, dated July 2024.
“Because your run-up is considered to be complete when you stop, and once you stop, you have to kick the ball. If you stop, pause, then strike the ball, the goal (assuming you score) is disallowed, and you get a yellow card.9 Jul 2024”
Well these are the FA rules.
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-14---the-penalty-kick
If there's a directive that says a player can't stutter their run, fair enough, I stand corrected, but there's plenty of examples recently where we've seen it happen and, the ref didn't see anything wrong with it today.
I've always thought if the keeper dives early then it's his fault.
The precise words are
“the player taking the penalty kick or a team-mate offends:
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feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker” (and an indirect free kick is awarded)
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I thought he had and my wife said is it allowed to stop in your run up?
It’s not allowed for a player to stop on the run up to take a penalty.
It is a yellow card offence and if a goal is subsequently scored it should be disallowed.
I think it's all changed. Player can do what they want before taking the kick. As can the keeper as long as at the point the kick is taken, he has at least one foot planted on or behind the goal line. .
I just found this on Google, dated July 2024.
“Because your run-up is considered to be complete when you stop, and once you stop, you have to kick the ball. If you stop, pause, then strike the ball, the goal (assuming you score) is disallowed, and you get a yellow card.9 Jul 2024”
That is exactly what should happen. No stops , no stutter , no tricks
If you see Rate the Ref I must have posted straight after the game that I don't think it was a Penalty and it should not have been allowed as their player simply stopped in his run up
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I thought he had and my wife said is it allowed to stop in your run up?
It’s not allowed for a player to stop on the run up to take a penalty.
It is a yellow card offence and if a goal is subsequently scored it should be disallowed.
I think it's all changed. Player can do what they want before taking the kick. As can the keeper as long as at the point the kick is taken, he has at least one foot planted on or behind the goal line. .
I just found this on Google, dated July 2024.
“Because your run-up is considered to be complete when you stop, and once you stop, you have to kick the ball. If you stop, pause, then strike the ball, the goal (assuming you score) is disallowed, and you get a yellow card.9 Jul 2024”
That is exactly what should happen. No stops , no stutter , no tricks
If you see Rate the Ref I must have posted straight after the game that I don't think it was a Penalty and it should not have been allowed as their player simply stopped in his run up
Sounds like your interpretation. I’ve quoted the actual rule above which refers to “feinting” which is what the penalty-taker did on his run up. You seem to feel you can substitute your paraphrase and use that to argue that the ref was wrong.
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Feinting is that different to stopping?
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Yes - look it up.
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Watched the whole match and never saw the fellow pass out :thumbsup: :woohoo:
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Yes - look it up.
So the pen should not have been given
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Whichever way you dress it up I think the one thing we can all agree on is that the ref was shite.
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I thought he had and my wife said is it allowed to stop in your run up?
It’s not allowed for a player to stop on the run up to take a penalty.
It is a yellow card offence and if a goal is subsequently scored it should be disallowed.
I think it's all changed. Player can do what they want before taking the kick. As can the keeper as long as at the point the kick is taken, he has at least one foot planted on or behind the goal line. .
I just found this on Google, dated July 2024.
“Because your run-up is considered to be complete when you stop, and once you stop, you have to kick the ball. If you stop, pause, then strike the ball, the goal (assuming you score) is disallowed, and you get a yellow card.9 Jul 2024”
That is exactly what should happen. No stops , no stutter , no tricks
If you see Rate the Ref I must have posted straight after the game that I don't think it was a Penalty and it should not have been allowed as their player simply stopped in his run up
Sounds like your interpretation. I’ve quoted the actual rule above which refers to “feinting” which is what the penalty-taker did on his run up. You seem to feel you can substitute your paraphrase and use that to argue that the ref was wrong.
You're right and unfortunately Donnywolf is mis interpreting the way the protocol is written. It isn't 'ungentlemanly conduct' if a taker pauses, stutters, stops, during his 'approach' to the ball. As it says, he can't feint kicking the ball once he's there but up to that point he could do a pirouette if he wanted to.
Similarly, the keepers can bounce up and down, move side to side as much as they want as long as they don't come forward of the line. That isn't ungentlemanly conduct either.
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Was otherwise engaged yesterday, so am only just catching up.
Few thoughts.
1)What a ball from Gibson for the third!
2) Sharp's instinct in the box for the second, just nudging the defender forward then stepping back for half a yard of space.
3) Bailey was at fault for their first. Ball watching when he should have been picking up the runner. Something to work on.
4) How stupid was I not to have twenty quid on Molyneux to be top scorer this season?
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Can see why their pen was given, albeit soft. Thought we should’ve had one too though, hasn’t made it into the highlights.
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Yes - look it up.
So the pen should not have been given
Yes - look it up.
So the pen should not have been given
The subject was “feinting”, which was the issue over the run up to the penalty kick and whether what the man did was “illegal”.
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Maybe I should have been clearer and said the goal resulting from the penalty should not have been given
My question was what is the difference, is stopping in the run up classed as feinting or is it against the rules that is all. A number of people seem to agree he stopped whether you agree or not, is stopping in your run up legal? That is all I am querying
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Watched the whole match and never saw the fellow pass out :thumbsup: :woohoo:
Apparently the girls in the ticket office passed out when they saw the photo of my boatrace that I sent in for my ST card last season.
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Watched the whole match and never saw the fellow pass out :thumbsup: :woohoo:
Apparently the girls in the ticket office passed out when they saw the photo of my boatrace that I sent in for my ST card last season.
Maybe they thought Bela Lugosi was dead?
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The ref at the time shuck his head to say no penalty the 5-6 seconds later blows for it ,which was strange
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I once had my shirt pulled.
I fell backwards not flat forwards on my chest with my arms spread out
Bet it was Nodder Hodkin.
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Not surprised it’s all confusing. However what I pick up from the rules is that during the run up the player can do what he likes. Seems that when his run is complete, the split second he’s about to kick the ball he cannot stop/feint/pass out etc.
Also the keeper is not allowed to distract the kicker in any way, even touching the bar /posts etc.Didnt know that.
But what I’m really waiting for is a back heel penalty….
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Not surprised it’s all confusing. However what I pick up from the rules is that during the run up the player can do what he likes. Seems that when his run is complete, the split second he’s about to kick the ball he cannot stop/feint/pass out etc.
Also the keeper is not allowed to distract the kicker in any way, even touching the bar /posts etc.Didnt know that.
But what I’m really waiting for is a back heel penalty….
Just to clarify about the Keeper. It doesn't say he can't distract the taker.
"The goalkeeper must not behave
in a way that unfairly distracts the kicker, e.g. delay the taking of the kick or touch the goalposts, crossbar or goal net"
He can FAIRLY distract the taker by such things as bouncing up and down, moving side to side, standing off centre etc etc. as long as he doesn't move forward of the line before the kicks taken (at least one foot on the line)
The taker can fairly stutter if he wants, and the keeper can fairly distract if he wants. Which is fair on both sides really.
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Not surprised it’s all confusing. However what I pick up from the rules is that during the run up the player can do what he likes. Seems that when his run is complete, the split second he’s about to kick the ball he cannot stop/feint/pass out etc.
Also the keeper is not allowed to distract the kicker in any way, even touching the bar /posts etc.Didnt know that.
But what I’m really waiting for is a back heel penalty….
Just to clarify about the Keeper. It doesn't say he can't distract the taker.
"The goalkeeper must not behave
in a way that unfairly distracts the kicker, e.g. delay the taking of the kick or touch the goalposts, crossbar or goal net"
He can FAIRLY distract the taker by such things as bouncing up and down, moving side to side, standing off centre etc etc. as long as he doesn't move forward of the line before the kicks taken (at least one foot on the line)
The taker can fairly stutter if he wants, and the keeper can fairly distract if he wants. Which is fair on both sides really.
Clear as mud then. There is a point in a stutter when a person stops, albeit for a fraction of a second but nonetheless he still stops
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Not surprised it’s all confusing. However what I pick up from the rules is that during the run up the player can do what he likes. Seems that when his run is complete, the split second he’s about to kick the ball he cannot stop/feint/pass out etc.
Also the keeper is not allowed to distract the kicker in any way, even touching the bar /posts etc.Didnt know that.
But what I’m really waiting for is a back heel penalty….
Just to clarify about the Keeper. It doesn't say he can't distract the taker.
"The goalkeeper must not behave
in a way that unfairly distracts the kicker, e.g. delay the taking of the kick or touch the goalposts, crossbar or goal net"
He can FAIRLY distract the taker by such things as bouncing up and down, moving side to side, standing off centre etc etc. as long as he doesn't move forward of the line before the kicks taken (at least one foot on the line)
The taker can fairly stutter if he wants, and the keeper can fairly distract if he wants. Which is fair on both sides really.
Clear as mud then. There is a point in a stutter when a person stops, albeit for a fraction of a second but nonetheless he still stops
Which isn't illegal.