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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: StocksArmy on August 31, 2024, 08:48:32 pm
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It deserves a post of its own this one. I would even do this if it went for us whether we won or not. At the time I thought the ref had to have seen something and just thought.. why would Anderson give him a decision to make when we were so comfortable? The more I watch it the more angry I get! 1 it’s not even a foul and 2 it’s not even in the vicinity of anybody. Refs should not get away with decisions like that it’s a complete joke and should be under investigation for it in my opinion.
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Our penalty shout was more of a penalty than that
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Our penalty shout was more of a penalty than that
Have heard a few mention this but can’t remember it! I never missed a kick either which is strange!
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...it’s not even in the vicinity of anybody...
No idea why you're so angry about this bit; there's no rule in football that says offences only count if they occur a certain distance away from other people, or the ball for that matter.
It was a soft penalty and I was surprised to see it given, but also Anderson regularly grapples any player he's marking and gets away with it so a decision like this going against him has been on the cards for a long time; hopefully after this he'll do it a bit less.
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...it’s not even in the vicinity of anybody...
No idea why you're so angry about this bit; there's no rule in football that says offences only count if they occur a certain distance away from other people, or the ball for that matter.
It was a soft penalty and I was surprised to see it given, but also Anderson regularly grapples any player he's marking and gets away with it so a decision like this going against him has been on the cards for a long time; hopefully after this he'll do it a bit less.
McCann stated in his interview after the game that they’d been told over the summer that if the ball was not in the vicinity and people were grappling then no foul would be given
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Well initially I thought how stupid are you Tom?. Then in the interview Grant says, the new rule at the beginning of the season is that if the ball floats over wrestling players, it’s play on.
The ball from the Marvellous Rovers+ camera appears way, way over Tom and Stockly.
However does the ref think it’s going way over, maybe not. There in lies the problem, people see it differently.
So before the ball is played in to the box the experienced Stockly gets in Tom’s head, pulling, kicking, shoving, etc…….then the ball comes in, Tom decides he ain’t having it and hauls Stockley down (rather easily) ref sees it rather than the high flying ball, pelanty to Big Dave.
So yes Tom you lost it lad.
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New rule or not it’s never been a penalty it’s a shocking decision. If that pen costs us points today it would go through the forum like wildfire. It’s a 1v3 game that and a comfortable win for us.
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I’ve yet to see the tackle on Yeboah that was deemed (by Mr Incompetent) no penalty.
GM was being very diplomatic when discussing the ref’s performance, as he knows it’ll cost him. The thing is they want/demand respect then do anything but trying to earn it.
Infuriating!
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Is it a new rule? or a so called new interpretation that was discussed with the referees again, like the six second rule with the keepers ignored by many, feet behind the line at throw ins ignored, arms behind the head again at throw ins and don't just drop the ball.
The old nutshell not enough in it the commentators invented, and the stiff arm tackle on a player the other evening the player would have been sent off at Rugby League for that went completely unpunished.
If a game was actually refereed to the rule book now a days there would be hell on.
And when someone loses an eye with the hand offs or a broken neck with a stiff arm, everybody will be up in arms about it.
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I thought Tom put himself in trouble, as much as it was 6 & half a dozen.
What was most infuriating was that he instantly shook his head, then changed his mind, for whatever reason.
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Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights
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What really annoys me is that some people seem to enjoy having a go at Anderson. I agree he’s not the most stylish of footballers but boy he’s what’s needed at this level. Well done Tom for being a no frills central defender, every team needs one but be aware you won’t be appreciated by the ones that have never kicked a ball in a competitive match.
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...it’s not even in the vicinity of anybody...
No idea why you're so angry about this bit; there's no rule in football that says offences only count if they occur a certain distance away from other people, or the ball for that matter.
It was a soft penalty and I was surprised to see it given, but also Anderson regularly grapples any player he's marking and gets away with it so a decision like this going against him has been on the cards for a long time; hopefully after this he'll do it a bit less.
I'm livid about it never mind angry, maybe it's because I can't stand cheats, & there were 2, Stockley, main culprit, & the ref.
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What really annoys me is that some people seem to enjoy having a go at Anderson.
I'm not having a go at Anderson. I really like him. But as an observation he does have a propensity to manhandle the player he's marking more so than our other players. And sometimes, like today, that's going to get pulled up.
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...it’s not even in the vicinity of anybody...
No idea why you're so angry about this bit; there's no rule in football that says offences only count if they occur a certain distance away from other people, or the ball for that matter.
It was a soft penalty and I was surprised to see it given, but also Anderson regularly grapples any player he's marking and gets away with it so a decision like this going against him has been on the cards for a long time; hopefully after this he'll do it a bit less.
I'm livid about it never mind angry, maybe it's because I can't stand cheats, & there were 2, Stockley, main culprit, & the ref.Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights
Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights
Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights
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Well initially I thought how stupid are you Tom?. Then in the interview Grant says, the new rule at the beginning of the season is that if the ball floats over wrestling players, it’s play on.
The ball from the Marvellous Rovers+ camera appears way, way over Tom and Stockly.
However does the ref think it’s going way over, maybe not. There in lies the problem, people see it differently.
So before the ball is played in to the box the experienced Stockly gets in Tom’s head, pulling, kicking, shoving, etc…….then the ball comes in, Tom decides he ain’t having it and hauls Stockley down (rather easily) ref sees it rather than the high flying ball, pelanty to Big Dave.
So yes Tom you lost it lad.
Dissagree, Anderson didn't lose it at all, he was defending his patch, & there was contact from both just before the ball came in, at this time we were comfortable & they were struggling to create anything, the ball comes in & is sailing over Stockley's head, he then dives forw
Well initially I thought how stupid are you Tom?. Then in the interview Grant says, the new rule at the beginning of the season is that if the ball floats over wrestling players, it’s play on.
The ball from the Marvellous Rovers+ camera appears way, way over Tom and Stockly.
However does the ref think it’s going way over, maybe not. There in lies the problem, people see it differently.
So before the ball is played in to the box the experienced Stockly gets in Tom’s head, pulling, kicking, shoving, etc…….then the ball comes in, Tom decides he ain’t having it and hauls Stockley down (rather easily) ref sees it rather than the high flying ball, pelanty to Big Dave.
So yes Tom you lost it lad.
I’ve yet to see the tackle on Yeboah that was deemed (by Mr Incompetent) no penalty.
GM was being very diplomatic when discussing the ref’s performance, as he knows it’ll cost him. The thing is they want/demand respect then do anything but trying to earn it.
Infuriating!
Don't normally complain about refs Alan, but this guy was the worst I have seen in a long long time. We should be talking about a really good game, not this incompetant idiot.
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What really annoys me is that some people seem to enjoy having a go at Anderson. I agree he’s not the most stylish of footballers but boy he’s what’s needed at this level. Well done Tom for being a no frills central defender, every team needs one but be aware you won’t be appreciated by the ones that have never kicked a ball in a competitive match.
Man of the match for me today, headed & kicked everything in sight. Even had a striker who couldn't get anything from him cheat to get a penalty.
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Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights
Had a great view of it & the moment the ball comes over Stockley knows it's sailing over his head, he dives, embarrasingly so, forward.
I was fully expecting a free kick to us & a yellow card, but true to form of the game, this idiot gives the penalty. Absolute joke of a decision, Stockley has had more clubs than Jack Nicklaus so obviously has the experience to pillock a ref.
Pisses me off that these decisions could have completely changed what was a good game & comfortable win for us into a different result altogether, a result that our team had worked hard for & deserved, against a cheat & an incompetant referee.
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Penalty?
Nah.
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Maybe those at the game got a different view but watching on the tv it looked a clear penalty to me. I’ve just watched the sky highlights and think the same, Stockley runs across Anderson as the ball is played to the winger and Anderson’s immediate reaction is to grab for him. They disappear out of shot but when the cross comes over and they reappear, Anderson (needlessly) is pushing him. Stockley is absolutely looking for it, but Anderson is daft enough to fall for it.
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13206799/port-vale-2-3-doncaster-leagu-two-highlights
Agreed, free kick situation in the box, ball going over the heads of the two players involved therefore 'in the vicinity' right in front of the ref, penalty all day.
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I think the best thing you can say about this incident is that over a period of a season they tend to balance out. If you think back to some of the decisions we have had in our favour recently and got away with(last week Flemming being last man and getting away with it) then we can't really complain, granted it made a match that we had comfortably won become a great deal more difficult for that last period and those ridiculous 8 mins of extra time (were did that come from)
At the end of the day it makes the victory more pleasing for me.
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Is it a new rule? or a so called new interpretation that was discussed with the referees again, like the six second rule with the keepers ignored by many, feet behind the line at throw ins ignored, arms behind the head again at throw ins and don't just drop the ball.
The old nutshell not enough in it the commentators invented, and the stiff arm tackle on a player the other evening the player would have been sent off at Rugby League for that went completely unpunished.
If a game was actually refereed to the rule book now a days there would be hell on.
And when someone loses an eye with the hand offs or a broken neck with a stiff arm, everybody will be up in arms about it.
Think they have changed the six second rule to an appropriate time allowed by the referee I read somewhere
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The fact a team can be given a 80% chance of scoring a goal after an incident like that is incredible.
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While Tom had hands on Stockley, throughout the incident Stockley is also all over Tom - and throughout the game as a whole, as a defender what else can you do if you’re being assaulted by a lump of an attacker than use your arms / body to defend. It wasn’t Tom blocking a run or grabbing an attacker trying to jump for the ball, it was a physical match up where Stockley flopped on the floor still holding on to Tom. Never a pen. As Spud says I also thought for about ten seconds that the ref hadn’t given it as he seemed to wave it away then change his mind.
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With replays I can see it shouldn’t be a penalty, I did think it was when watching the game and also after one replay. I fully expected Grant to give Tom a proper dressing down because that kind of silliness could have cost us, but it was the ref, which given the game he had in general doesn’t shock me.
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The Port Vale commentator said he was the worst referee he had ever seen. But he said he favoured the Rovers, I only saw the last 35 minutes or so but his commentary was so biased it made Trump sound sane.
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While Tom had hands on Stockley, throughout the incident Stockley is also all over Tom - and throughout the game as a whole, as a defender what else can you do if you’re being assaulted by a lump of an attacker than use your arms / body to defend. It wasn’t Tom blocking a run or grabbing an attacker trying to jump for the ball, it was a physical match up where Stockley flopped on the floor still holding on to Tom. Never a pen. As Spud says I also thought for about ten seconds that the ref hadn’t given it as he seemed to wave it away then change his mind.
Have you watched the highlights? Like I said earlier in the thread, the camera isn’t on them for long so can’t see the full incident but Stockley is moving away from Anderson when he goes down so definitely not holding him, and the ref gives it pretty much instantly.
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What really annoys me is that some people seem to enjoy having a go at Anderson. I agree he’s not the most stylish of footballers but boy he’s what’s needed at this level. Well done Tom for being a no frills central defender, every team needs one but be aware you won’t be appreciated by the ones that have never kicked a ball in a competitive match.
Was this at the match? As I’ve not read anything like that here. Just a few people saying that, for that incident, Anderson was foolish. Hardly a character assassination.
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While Tom had hands on Stockley, throughout the incident Stockley is also all over Tom - and throughout the game as a whole, as a defender what else can you do if you’re being assaulted by a lump of an attacker than use your arms / body to defend. It wasn’t Tom blocking a run or grabbing an attacker trying to jump for the ball, it was a physical match up where Stockley flopped on the floor still holding on to Tom. Never a pen. As Spud says I also thought for about ten seconds that the ref hadn’t given it as he seemed to wave it away then change his mind.
Have you watched the highlights? Like I said earlier in the thread, the camera isn’t on them for long so can’t see the full incident but Stockley is moving away from Anderson when he goes down so definitely not holding him, and the ref gives it pretty much instantly.
Yeah, was at the game but watched the highlights last night. It may look less of an incident in the short clip on the highlights but in the context of the game and how physical Stockley was being throughout and in the build up to that I’m not sure what else Tom could do other than keep letting him have free headers. Their number 4 assaulted Billy one second after the kick off and kept at it rest of the half. I don’t think the Tom one was any different to what had been happening all afternoon, just in my opinion.
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Another stupid rule, Law 12 is the ruling in question. It states: "A direct free-kick or penalty is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences… holds an opponent, impedes an opponent with contact…"
I must admit the holding of players in the box is ridiculous at times, so if it evens it self out and we get soft penalties, then our players have got to get use to the knew rule.
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The thing that gets me is - why doesn’t Ironside get penalties regularly then, because he’s assaulted on a regular basis! If these things do ‘even themselves out’ then we must be owed quite a few.
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While Tom had hands on Stockley, throughout the incident Stockley is also all over Tom - and throughout the game as a whole, as a defender what else can you do if you’re being assaulted by a lump of an attacker than use your arms / body to defend. It wasn’t Tom blocking a run or grabbing an attacker trying to jump for the ball, it was a physical match up where Stockley flopped on the floor still holding on to Tom. Never a pen. As Spud says I also thought for about ten seconds that the ref hadn’t given it as he seemed to wave it away then change his mind.
Have you watched the highlights? Like I said earlier in the thread, the camera isn’t on them for long so can’t see the full incident but Stockley is moving away from Anderson when he goes down so definitely not holding him, and the ref gives it pretty much instantly.
Yeah, was at the game but watched the highlights last night. It may look less of an incident in the short clip on the highlights but in the context of the game and how physical Stockley was being throughout and in the build up to that I’m not sure what else Tom could do other than keep letting him have free headers. Their number 4 assaulted Billy one second after the kick off and kept at it rest of the half. I don’t think the Tom one was any different to what had been happening all afternoon, just in my opinion.
That’s fair enough with the wider context but I don’t think the camera can alter things like “Stockley flopped on the floor still holding on to Tom”.
Looks like there’s going to be a lot of disagreement on this incident but fortunately it didn’t impact the result and maybe moving forward we can get a bit more clarity on what is/isn’t acceptable and adapt our approach accordingly.
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Why do refs fall for obvious fake dives?
Yes there was pulling and hustling , but if Anderson had pulled him strongly wouldn't he have fallen more in backwards direction?
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Why do refs fall for obvious fake dives?
Yes there was pulling and hustling , but if Anderson had pulled him strongly wouldn't he have fallen more in backwards direction?
This is exactly my point. I have watched it a lot of times now and there is less than normal contact from TA and Stockley even has hold of his shirt. The decision is worse every time I watch it. I’d like to see the sky sports replay in slow motion with close up view.
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D8AA7rmhiU3A&ved=2ahUKEwj20JPQtKGIAxUKWkEAHYP5ItUQwqsBegQIEBAG&usg=AOvVaw0VUolQrvr1UP1gJ4VnQQkQ
3mins 23 discusses interpretation of holding
What we’re looking at is the clear holding offences that impact the ability of the attacker to get onto the ball, or the clear impact on the ability of the attacker doing something with the ball.
“So if the defender’s actions are to deliberately bring the player down by holding him, sustained, impactful, then we’re going to penalise that whether that’s on the ball or off the ball.”
And Friend noted that although it may be missed initially by the on-field referee, the team of officials should come down harder on holding in the box further away from the ball too.
Friend said: “The more away from the ball, the more severe it has got to be. We saw a couple of examples last season of defending players rugby tackling attacking players 15 yards away from where the ball was.
“It’s very difficult on field for the referee but again we’re empowering, encouraging the referees as a team to understand the team tactics, what players are doing, how they’re setting up and actually identifying these little areas.”
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The thing that gets me is - why doesn’t Ironside get penalties regularly then, because he’s assaulted on a regular basis! If these things do ‘even themselves out’ then we must be owed quite a few.
Because he doesn't go to ground like a complete pansy I should imagine
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While Tom had hands on Stockley, throughout the incident Stockley is also all over Tom - and throughout the game as a whole, as a defender what else can you do if you’re being assaulted by a lump of an attacker than use your arms / body to defend. It wasn’t Tom blocking a run or grabbing an attacker trying to jump for the ball, it was a physical match up where Stockley flopped on the floor still holding on to Tom. Never a pen. As Spud says I also thought for about ten seconds that the ref hadn’t given it as he seemed to wave it away then change his mind.
Have you watched the highlights? Like I said earlier in the thread, the camera isn’t on them for long so can’t see the full incident but Stockley is moving away from Anderson when he goes down so definitely not holding him, and the ref gives it pretty much instantly.
Yeah, was at the game but watched the highlights last night. It may look less of an incident in the short clip on the highlights but in the context of the game and how physical Stockley was being throughout and in the build up to that I’m not sure what else Tom could do other than keep letting him have free headers. Their number 4 assaulted Billy one second after the kick off and kept at it rest of the half. I don’t think the Tom one was any different to what had been happening all afternoon, just in my opinion.
There were at least 3 very poor challenges against us second & the ref gave nothing. I agree he was poor both sides, but second half especially, his decision making favoured the home side.
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Gone to great lengths to explain what holding is all about, whilst ignoring what GM told us about their meeting pre-season. Also, explain how Yeboah didn’t get a penalty second half and their guy, first half, who stopped Gibson going through by hand balling (which the ref gave as a free kick but gave no further punishment).
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Gone to great lengths to explain what holding is all about, whilst ignoring what GM told us about their meeting pre-season. Also, explain how Yeboah didn’t get a penalty second half and their guy, first half, who stopped Gibson going through by hand balling (which the ref gave as a free kick but gave no further punishment).
I have watched full match replay on rovers+ and the challenge on Yeboah wasn’t a penalty but was assault in comparison to the one we gave away.
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A referees view.
The ref cheated!!!!! the ref was very poor!!!!!, The worst ref ever!!!just read back.
When you express your opinion on a refs poor performance just bear in mind its a very difficult job and you find that out even at junior level.
Have you had a go at reffing? have you done a refs course? I am sure it would have an affect on how you express your views
You pay your money and you are welcome to your opinion but at the end of the day you would have more credibility if you had had ago at it
Have you ever wondered why players dont take up reffing after they retire from the game!!!!!!
I reffed for many years at youth level and yes I made mistakes, it happens not because I was cheating.
I dont always support the ref but I will always express my views respectfully.
When I watch youth games now I offer my advice to young refs if I can help him/her after the game,
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A referees view.
The ref cheated!!!!! the ref was very poor!!!!!, The worst ref ever!!!just read back.
When you express your opinion on a refs poor performance just bear in mind its a very difficult job and you find that out even at junior level.
Have you had a go at reffing? have you done a refs course? I am sure it would have an affect on how you express your views
You pay your money and you are welcome to your opinion but at the end of the day you would have more credibility if you had had ago at it
Have you ever wondered why players dont take up reffing after they retire from the game!!!!!!
I reffed for many years at youth level and yes I made mistakes, it happens not because I was cheating.
I dont always support the ref but I will always express my views respectfully.
When I watch youth games now I offer my advice to young refs if I can help him/her after the game,
And at this level the ref gets one view, in real time, and often not the best view.
You give what you see, not what you thought you saw. You’re right, it isn’t easy. I did it for a few years about 30 years ago having been outraged at a shocking performance (at conference level).
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My lad was running the line in a kid's game at Bentley High Street School a few years back. I was standing behind him when the ball came off a red-shirted player before going out for a throw in and in an attempt to help him I said "Red Ball!" He took my word for it and put the flag up in the wrong direction.
It was then I realised how hard it is to make the right decision even when it is as clear as day!
I did feel a bit guilty walking away whistling as he got dogs abuse from the home crowd. :whistle:
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A referees view.
The ref cheated!!!!! the ref was very poor!!!!!, The worst ref ever!!!just read back.
When you express your opinion on a refs poor performance just bear in mind its a very difficult job and you find that out even at junior level.
Have you had a go at reffing? have you done a refs course? I am sure it would have an affect on how you express your views
You pay your money and you are welcome to your opinion but at the end of the day you would have more credibility if you had had ago at it
Have you ever wondered why players dont take up reffing after they retire from the game!!!!!!
I reffed for many years at youth level and yes I made mistakes, it happens not because I was cheating.
I dont always support the ref but I will always express my views respectfully.
When I watch youth games now I offer my advice to young refs if I can help him/her after the game,
And despite what you just said it was still a horrific decision.
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Alick - I could have the utmost respect for these guys if they showed the same respect to both sides, but therein lies the problem - they’re not consistent. It might not be easy - nobody ever said it was, but all people want is if you give it out to one side then you have to do the same to the other, but all too often we see the opposite to that.
My heart bleeds for Ironside every game I watch him. The punishment he puts up with and hardly any protection from referees. It’s unfathomable.
The standards throughout the EFL have dropped considerably and particularly the lower down the pyramid you go. Over a season we might be lucky and get maybe 3 or 4 decent referees but that’s about it.
And don’t get me started on West Stand Lino’s! ;)
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I still insist we were cheated out of the Championship by officials under Dickov in 2015.
Apart from that, the two most blatant acts of referees cheating in my experience of watching Rovers were Jack Pickles (V Notts County) at Belle Vue in the 60s, and Mick Russell v Portsmouth at the Keepmoat in 2012.
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All these that don’t think it’s a penalty are all saying they wouldn’t want one if it was for us infront of the south stand,get real both was holding and the ref obviously thought Anderson was the aggressor,happens in both boxes all the time I agree but there wasn’t really any need to do it as the ball was going too long.and think what the mean when not in the vicinity is when there probably holding at far post like they was and ball only going near.
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I still insist we were cheated out of the Championship by officials under Dickov in 2015.
Apart from that, the two most blatant acts of referees cheating in my experience of watching Rovers were Jack Pickles (V Notts County) at Belle Vue in the 60s, and Mick Russell v Portsmouth at the Keepmoat in 2012.
I disagree BB.
Dickov's relegation was 2014 :lol: :lol:
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I still insist we were cheated out of the Championship by officials under Dickov in 2015.
Apart from that, the two most blatant acts of referees cheating in my experience of watching Rovers were Jack Pickles (V Notts County) at Belle Vue in the 60s, and Mick Russell v Portsmouth at the Keepmoat in 2012.
I disagree BB.
Dickov's relegation was 2014 :lol: :lol:
Wow, I didn't realise it was that long ago, Dutch! :)
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I thought it was a penalty, couldn’t understand why Anderson needed to have a hold on him, from the view the ref got he had no choice but to give it, shame he didn’t see the offences on our players in the same light.
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A referees view.
The ref cheated!!!!! the ref was very poor!!!!!, The worst ref ever!!!just read back.
When you express your opinion on a refs poor performance just bear in mind its a very difficult job and you find that out even at junior level.
Have you had a go at reffing? have you done a refs course? I am sure it would have an affect on how you express your views
You pay your money and you are welcome to your opinion but at the end of the day you would have more credibility if you had had ago at it
Have you ever wondered why players dont take up reffing after they retire from the game!!!!!!
I reffed for many years at youth level and yes I made mistakes, it happens not because I was cheating.
I dont always support the ref but I will always express my views respectfully.
When I watch youth games now I offer my advice to young refs if I can help him/her after the game,
Referees do have a very difficult job, totally agree, I have reffed, albeit at junior level & that's why I don't normally criticise them, this one however deserves all the criticism coming to him, he was absolutely awful in my opinion. Cheat may have been too strong a word, more incompetent.
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Tom was claiming he was being pulling into Stockley, and you can see that clearly on the highlights. Stockley has hold of the front of Tom's shirt and pulls him into him as he goes down. Tom has his hand on Stockley's shoulder and that seems to be enough for his legs to give way. Looks a very well engineered dive to me, and the ref fell for it.
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Spot on Rob.