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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: CheeseToastie on September 12, 2024, 10:08:09 pm
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Genuinely starting to think we would be better just playing with 10 men. Liability defending, gets forward well but has no end product and nearly every time they attack he's out of position. Hopefully grant sees this and gives Emmanuel a start at MK can't remember the last time I saw him play above a 6 out of 10.
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What’s Nixon done wrong?
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Can’t walk at moment and won’t be back for a month.
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For the 1st he may aswell of stood to 1 side. Made no effort to close down or block it. Turns sideways insted of throwing himself infront of it
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What’s Nixon done wrong?
Injured
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It was obvious that Harrogate thought he was a liability from the way they pressed when he had the ball.
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Can’t walk at moment and won’t be back for a month.
Think he'd still do a better job
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This is one where we are accepting he’ll not be the tightest defensively and is why we shouldn’t be surprised we concede or lose games. Not blaming him it’s just the way we are going to play and I’m ok with it.
When Nixon is back he has to be 1st choice imo. Also keen to see what the new lad can do. He could be the best of the bunch
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Ok, I accept there is a compromise to be made but what does he bring to the forward play? Last night nothing, every cross he managed to make was overhit and ended the move.
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I thought a recent interview with GM said that there had been good news on Nixon?
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Back on the grass according to GM
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Goals conceded through Sterry stats would be interesting.
He's still making the same mistakes as last season, letting people cross, showing them outside but still allowing them to cut inside.
I always allow a period of bedding in for new players as there's a lot of upheaval in their lives around a move to a new club but he's had long enough in my opinion.
Give the shirt to JE until Nixon is back.
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Goals conceded through Sterry stats would be interesting.
He's still making the same mistakes as last season, letting people cross, showing them outside but still allowing them to cut inside.
I always allow a period of bedding in for new players as there's a lot of upheaval in their lives around a move to a new club but he's had long enough in my opinion.
Give the shirt to JE until Nixon is back.
Why are there so many crosses in football. Is it all poor defending or is it good attacking play. Each time our players get a cross in, is it because all the full backs are crap?
Don't get me wrong, as a former full back, I hate to see easy crosses coming in but it's near on impossible to prevent them all. Sterry was good in our last home game and defended well. If he becomes a liability and provides no resistance at all then fair do's.
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The fact is Sterry very rarely puts a decent tackle in or even a toe in.
He shadows the player, I'm not going to call it jockeying because he doesn't force them into dead ends.
It's not just the crosses coming in, it's the letting the wide player cut inside.
It's like he can't read that part of the game.
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It was a quality cross and a good finish, in hindsight could Sterry have got tighter quicker? Maybe, but he didn't do a great deal wrong for me, Gibson gave the ball away cheaply and the midfield were nowhere to be seen .
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Problem is our second dopiest defender plays on the inside of him too in Anderson. Oluwu should be playing now
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I posted this on the Lucky Pint forum, and still stand by it:
“Any coach with half a brain would put all the traffic towards Sterry.
Going forward he’s fine, but often out of position.
They’re all coming down the same side, just like the goal”
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Emmanuel will start at right back next week
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Am I the only one who thinks Sterry is decent. There's more to a goal in passages of play than just the player defending the cross. He's being made a scapegoat.
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Am I the only one who thinks Sterry is decent. There's more to a goal in passages of play than just the player defending the cross. He's being made a scapegoat.
Agreed
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Am I the only one who thinks Sterry is decent. There's more to a goal in passages of play than just the player defending the cross. He's being made a scapegoat.
Agreed
Me too.
Fans will always have players they like to blame though.
Is Emmanuel any better than Sterry.
Most of us will have only seen him play for ten minutes or so.
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Am I the only one who thinks Sterry is decent. There's more to a goal in passages of play than just the player defending the cross. He's being made a scapegoat.
Exactly. When you look at the amount of goals and goalmouth incidents that arise from crosses coming into the box, the odds on full backs preventing those crosses are probably 50/50 at best. Yes, he has made mistakes but footballers do. They aren't robots. Is he the best defensive full back we've had? No but it's about what he does bring to the team and at the moment, McCann sees him as first choice. If he sees fit to play Nixon or Emmanuel then fair do's but we can't expect Sterry to all of a sudden to stop all crosses coming into the box.
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Am I the only one who thinks Sterry is decent. There's more to a goal in passages of play than just the player defending the cross. He's being made a scapegoat.
Agree, I think he’s a very clever player, and he’s being asked to do quite a lot in terms of attacking and supporting down the flanks, physically tough.
No issues starting him in any of our matches.
Like the look of Emmanuel, looks physically strong, this is where we are weak, too many lightweight players through the team.
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Am I the only one who thinks Sterry is decent. There's more to a goal in passages of play than just the player defending the cross. He's being made a scapegoat.
Agree, I think he’s a very clever player, and he’s being asked to do quite a lot in terms of attacking and supporting down the flanks, physically tough.
No issues starting him in any of our matches.
Like the look of Emmanuel, looks physically strong, this is where we are weak, too many lightweight players through the team.
I think the stick is OTT. He's not perfect but if he gets too tight and the winger skins him, he gets the blame anyway.
I also think Anderson is far too slow to react for that first goal. He doesn't keep an eye on his man and allows him to get across him.
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I think we would be better defensively if Owen Bailey played as the defensive midfielder.
Last season during our great run from Feb we played 4-2-3-1 or you could say it was 4-2-1-3
The point is we had Bailey and Craig playing in front of the back 4 where as we have neither playing that role this season. This season it is 4-1-4-1 or you could call it 4-1-2-3
We now have a ball player in either Westbrooke, Close playing as the deep lying midfielder and previously to them it was Broadbent.
I think that is very significant and we simply don’t have the protection in front of the defence this season as we did late last season.
Bailey does not look the same player in a more advanced role imo.
That is my big concern at the moment and am hopeful GM will see this flaw in his tactical strategy sooner rather than later.
Just my take on it.
I am not suggesting for one min I have more tactical acumen than GM but to me it stands out like a sore thumb at present.
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You could put Walker from Manchester City there, if you are playing with Close in front of you, you are going to have two men coming at you during the game and nobody covering back at some point in the game..
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We also have Kelly to slot in the midfield - he may improve the defensive effort possibly alongside Bailey?
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Over the last three years we have had four or five right backs the same number of left backs and about eight central defenders , all at different times maligned as poor at one time or another.
We have got off to a decent start and just the Saturday before the Harrogate game had a hard fought clean sheet against a better side than Harrogate,
Up to the Bradford game last season we shipped goals and were in danger of losing a battle against relegation after just endured two terrible seasons before last season and a relegation from division one, and Close picked up another injury keeping him out the rest of the season.
We then went on a fabulous winning streak and have largely apart from the Newport game carried on that sequence of results this season until the Harrogate our back four as a whole playing poorly.
Then it was back to type, and I will leave you to work out the common denominator.
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I think for what ever reason Harrogate are our bogey side. At the back of my mind I assumed Terry Bramall and Irving Weaver came from the Sprotborough area. Strata Homes/Construction grew out of Weaver Construction whilst Keepmoat Homes succeeded Bramall D + B and other companies. Strata used to have a box at the old Belle Vue ground. This is pure conspiracy theory but it's possible to imagine all manner of rivalries or other between the two camps.
I didn't go to the Harrogate game but from what I hear Close was not the reason the game was lost. He and Sterry can be key players for this season so let's stop parading prejudices and support the team.
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Over the last three years we have had four or five right backs the same number of left backs and about eight central defenders , all at different times maligned as poor at one time or another.
We have got off to a decent start and just the Saturday before the Harrogate game had a hard fought clean sheet against a better side than Harrogate,
Up to the Bradford game last season we shipped goals and were in danger of losing a battle against relegation after just endured two terrible seasons before last season and a relegation from division one, and Close picked up another injury keeping him out the rest of the season.
We then went on a fabulous winning streak and have largely apart from the Newport game carried on that sequence of results this season until the Harrogate our back four as a whole playing poorly.
Then it was back to type, and I will leave you to work out the common denominator.
I'm thick as a plank ..... what is the common denominator?
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Over the last three years we have had four or five right backs the same number of left backs and about eight central defenders , all at different times maligned as poor at one time or another.
We have got off to a decent start and just the Saturday before the Harrogate game had a hard fought clean sheet against a better side than Harrogate,
Up to the Bradford game last season we shipped goals and were in danger of losing a battle against relegation after just endured two terrible seasons before last season and a relegation from division one, and Close picked up another injury keeping him out the rest of the season.
We then went on a fabulous winning streak and have largely apart from the Newport game carried on that sequence of results this season until the Harrogate our back four as a whole playing poorly.
Then it was back to type, and I will leave you to work out the common denominator.
I'm thick as a plank ..... what is the common denominator?
It's Ben Close , at present he divides the fan base. Some of us believe he's massively overrated and whenever he's in midfield we're powderpuff & the others think he's a Rolls Royce of a midfielder who is too good for this division and when we get promoted to L1 he'll finally prove his worth
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And when Selby gets it in for a player there's no stopping him
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Over the last three years we have had four or five right backs the same number of left backs and about eight central defenders , all at different times maligned as poor at one time or another.
We have got off to a decent start and just the Saturday before the Harrogate game had a hard fought clean sheet against a better side than Harrogate,
Up to the Bradford game last season we shipped goals and were in danger of losing a battle against relegation after just endured two terrible seasons before last season and a relegation from division one, and Close picked up another injury keeping him out the rest of the season.
We then went on a fabulous winning streak and have largely apart from the Newport game carried on that sequence of results this season until the Harrogate our back four as a whole playing poorly.
Then it was back to type, and I will leave you to work out the common denominator.
I'm thick as a plank ..... what is the common denominator?
It's Ben Close , at present he divides the fan base. Some of us believe he's massively overrated and whenever he's in midfield we're powderpuff & the others think he's a Rolls Royce of a midfielder who is too good for this division and when we get promoted to L1 he'll finally prove his worth
I think close slows the play down and never puts in a good tackle or block and anyone running at him with pace just goes past him and he does not have the pace to get back ,his passing is good but would use him when we are defending a lead in the last 10 minutes, definitely would not start him think we have better options
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GM saw a role for BC, so much so he gave him an extended contract. Ive always thought of Close as a luxury type of player, especially at this level.
If we are to build a team around him then he needs the armchair and the two willing workhorses to do his legwork, is BC good enough to deserve this type of preference?
I would keep him wrapped in cotton wool for the big games where we have done the hard work already and can then use him to keep possession late on, away from home, forget it.