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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: PDX_Rover on September 28, 2024, 04:49:20 pm
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Well, besides the fact that Rovers have been awful, this has to be the worst refereeing performance I’ve seen in 50 years supporting Rovers.
Hard to find the words. But of course nothing will happen to this sorry excuse of an official.
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James Bell End
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No excuses we were shit but he was an absolute disgrace
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Chesterfield got their moneys worth of they've paid him. Not sure what's just happened there. Worst referee performance I've ever seen.
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I am sure McCann will go right in on him here. No restraint, take the fine. Make the point.
Absolutely disgraceful even the first half, didn’t give us a thing!
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No excuses we were shit but he was an absolute disgrace
Having said that, absolutely moronic from Molyneux
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Where do you email to complain? It was that bad. Corrupt as f*ck, I'm so angry.
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First red: Correct by the law.
Penalty: Very very harsh, its hit his arm in a natural position with no movement towards the ball.
Second red: Hard to know what's actually been said or gone on.
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No excuses we were shit but he was an absolute disgrace
Having said that, absolutely moronic from Molyneux
Agreed re Molyneux.
But oh my word you couldn’t describe that performance from a guy dressed in black. I can’t even call him a referee.
The linesman?? Put his flag up on two occasions then put it down, one resulted in a goal.
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See you next tuesday of the highest order.
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w**ker but typical of the dross at this level.
But - we are further away from promotion than we were last season. That midfield was shockingly bad!
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Flagged for offside which was waved away which lead to a corner!
Corner came in with the ball striking the rovers player. If it didnt it would of ran fir a throw in. Then he gives a penalty.
Man was a disgrace
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Did Moly even know he was on a yellow to begin with? He approaches the ref to discuss his performance at half time, gets told to go away so tells the ref to f*ck off then runs down the tunnel without turning back.
Was Moly even offside?
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Chesterfield are a very good side and will be right up there. Finish above them and you will go up. Yes we was poor but let's not get carried away. Its a long slog and I'm sure by Christmas we will know what's needed and get one or 2 in like last year.
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Had a good mate in their end. The pen he thought our defender leant into the ball. The two yellows for Molyneux were right.
We didn't recognise the type of ref and play accordingly
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Flagged for offside which was waved away which lead to a corner!
Corner came in with the ball striking the rovers player. If it didnt it would of ran fir a throw in. Then he gives a penalty.
Man was a disgrace
You don’t have to stop the game when the flag goes up.
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“ Referee James Bell has been stood down from Ipswich Town's League One game against Charlton Athletic, after a backlash when it emerged he is a Sheffield Wednesday supporter.”
Yorkshire Post 14/04/23
Could he favour Chesterfield too I wonder?
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We have to accept some responsibility, seems we’re complaining about the ref every game, it’s the same shit standard of refs for everyone in this league.
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Is it fair to say that he seemed to favour Chessie with his decisions
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We were Pish poor from the start, gave away far to many fouls, have to regroup and move forward to the next game, Some big changes needed
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Say it every week about refs- they are all corrupt
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No excuses we were shit but he was an absolute disgrace
Having said that, absolutely moronic from Molyneux
Second yellow, when was the First one because I don’t recall it
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Their goal - not a foul or free kick.
Molyneux, didn't think offside but Luke stupid. Didn't look a pen first half on him which he got booked for dissent for.
Second goal. Pen harsh, no idea what the rule is now. Wtf was the whole lack of offside about before that though.
Anderson red, didn't see it.
But his general play was awful.
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No excuses we were shit but he was an absolute disgrace
Having said that, absolutely moronic from Molyneux
Second yellow, when was the First one because I don’t recall it
Dissent at half time.
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First red: Correct by the law.
Penalty: Very very harsh, its hit his arm in a natural position with no movement towards the ball.
Second red: Hard to know what's actually been said or gone on.
The corner leading to the Penalty should never have been taken, East Stand Lino briefly flagged for offside before putting it down again
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We weren't great but the entire game including large parts against 10 and later 9 men, they only had four shots on target. We didn't really have a shape and bar early spell it was just lumping ball up to Ironside. They were not cutting us apart at will, far from that. McGrath was good again. Midfield and up front we didn't really offer much.
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Their goal - not a foul or free kick.
Molyneux, didn't think offside but Luke stupid. Didn't look a pen first half on him which he got booked for dissent for.
Second goal. Pen harsh, no idea what the rule is now. Wtf was the whole lack of offside about before that though.
Anderson red, didn't see it.
But his general play was awful.
Molly was a mile onside
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The team, both teams, were sensible vs MKD. The ref there was strict and both teams watched their step. We have to play by whatever rules the ref sets, however unfair it may seem.
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Is it fair to say that he seemed to favour Chessie with his decisions
Ironside man handled all game again nothing given, tickle a Chesterfield players boot laces and its a foul
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Did Moly even know he was on a yellow to begin with? He approaches the ref to discuss his performance at half time, gets told to go away so tells the ref to f*ck off then runs down the tunnel without turning back.
Was Moly even offside?
No
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Mcgrath yellow carded when he won the ball by a yard, Dobra stayed down in an attempt to get him sent off
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It was the ref that walked back to the halfway line with Chesterfiled after their 1st goal, cuddling Madden arms round each other, then when Maddes put ball in net after his offside the ref actually apologised to him for the card?? What's that all about?
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Mcgrath yellow carded when he won the ball by a yard, Dobra stayed down in an attempt to get him sent off
You'll do well to see a better tackle than that all season. Proper old school, won the ball hard and fair and left a little bit on for good measure.
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“ Referee James Bell has been stood down from Ipswich Town's League One game against Charlton Athletic, after a backlash when it emerged he is a Sheffield Wednesday supporter.”
Yorkshire Post 14/04/23
Could he favour Chesterfield too I wonder?
Sounds like a totally inappropriate appointment by the FA
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No excuses we were shit but he was an absolute disgrace
Having said that, absolutely moronic from Molyneux
Agreed re Molyneux.
But oh my word you couldn’t describe that performance from a guy dressed in black. I can’t even call him a referee.
The linesman?? Put his flag up on two occasions then put it down, one resulted in a goal.
shocking from the linesman 1st one I think he puts it up for offside then realises it’s from a goal kick,2nd one puts it up when the pass is cut out so you either leave it up till ref acknowledges you or you wait like the do too long at times to see if it was going to be cut out
1st red Molly want fining massively
2nd red didn’t see but I presume it’s the 4th official that spotted sumthing as play was brought back,no sure on the penalty for hand ball how outstretched the arm was when it hit him
,gave a lot off similar fouls to chesterfield but not many the other way
The other 2 of note that I think he did get correct was Flemings yellow always gonna be a yellow if he is goving a foul
And also McGrath challenge yes he wins the ball but is follow through was similar to ravenhill at Bradford
But overall I though he was up there with the worst
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The mythical offside was from a goal kick.....you can't be off side.
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It was the ref that walked back to the halfway line with Chesterfiled after their 1st goal, cuddling Madden arms round each other, then when Maddes put ball in net after his offside the ref actually apologised to him for the card?? What's that all about?
he wasnt apologising it was more what else can I do he did the same to molyneux when he did it
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There's an old saying in football, play to the whistle!
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The mythical offside was from a goal kick.....you can't be off side.
exactly and that’s why he put it back down but he shouldn’t even be getting that wrong full stop
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We were poor but that officiating was Russell-esque in its ineptitude. From where he was stood, ref must have x-ray vision to have ascertained that was a pen.
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Mcgrath yellow carded when he won the ball by a yard, Dobra stayed down in an attempt to get him sent off
it’s the follow through raising your foot you just can’t do it anymore it’s classed as excessive force
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Grigg takes TSL out late,not even a talking to when it was a nailed on Yellow card
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We were Pish poor from the start, gave away far to many fouls, have to regroup and move forward to the next game, Some big changes needed
I disagree Upton. I thought that we were going well in the first 10 minutes I didn’t rate Chesterfield but then that diabolic free kick that resulted in the first goal we seemed to fall apart. I don’t think the ref appreciated his welcome on leaving the field at halftime he appeared more severe to Rovers after. It maybe just my imagination.
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James Bell End
He did drop a few clangers.
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First red: Correct by the law.
Penalty: Very very harsh, its hit his arm in a natural position with no movement towards the ball.
Second red: Hard to know what's actually been said or gone on.
Second red, Anderson has been f**king stupid. He's gone forehead to forehead with their lad like a pair of rutting stags, they made a jerk motion with his head. Nothing violent but it gave a stupid opportunity for their lad to play the dying swan. It's a red card in today's football.
I'm f**king livid with him and Molyneux. They've acted like a pair of Sunday League d**kheads.
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First red: Correct by the law.
Penalty: Very very harsh, its hit his arm in a natural position with no movement towards the ball.
Second red: Hard to know what's actually been said or gone on.
Second red, Anderson has been f**king stupid. He's gone forehead to forehead with their lad like a pair of rutting stags, they made a jerk motion with his head. Nothing violent but it gave a stupid opportunity for their lad to play the dying swan. It's a red card in today's football.
I'm f**king livid with him and Molyneux. They've acted like a pair of Sunday League d**kheads.
The ref caused all of the aggression and nonsense due to to his disgraceful decision making.
It was never a pen, molyneux was onside, we had another where we were through in the other side that wasn’t offside either that got flagged for.
He was a disgrace, we’ve had some shite here over the years but nothing to compare with that
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The mythical offside was from a goal kick.....you can't be off side.
exactly and that’s why he put it back down but he shouldn’t even be getting that wrong full stop
To put your flag up wrongly, then take it down and have play go on is a career-limiting mistake for a linesman.
To do it twice in 10 minutes is incompetence on a historic scale.
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The lino also after flagging moly offside gave a thumbs up to the goalkeeper.
The officiating today was literally the worst in my 39 years on this earth. East stand Lino putting his flag up and then down twice.
Surprised Sharp didn’t get sent off too, you could see the fans, the players and grant/cliff were rattled and lost their heads today.
Chesterfield assistant manager said he got every call right, what a deluded bellend
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First red: Correct by the law.
Penalty: Very very harsh, its hit his arm in a natural position with no movement towards the ball.
Second red: Hard to know what's actually been said or gone on.
Second red, Anderson has been f**king stupid. He's gone forehead to forehead with their lad like a pair of rutting stags, they made a jerk motion with his head. Nothing violent but it gave a stupid opportunity for their lad to play the dying swan. It's a red card in today's football.
I'm f**king livid with him and Molyneux. They've acted like a pair of Sunday League d**kheads.
The ref caused all of the aggression and nonsense due to to his disgraceful decision making.
It was never a pen, molyneux was onside, we had another where we were through in the other side that wasn’t offside either that got flagged for.
He was a disgrace, we’ve had some shite here over the years but nothing to compare with that
He was f**king dreadful, but he was 100% right with both red cards and those two players should be apologising for their amateurish lack of discipline.
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Its always been the case that whatever the ref decides goes, it was pointless arguing with him and got Mols his first yellow.
But you have to ask yourself how thick are our players? if the ref is blowing up for every soft touch tackle for them then you need to have the discipline to prevent the ref from giving a fouls against you every time.
This ref wad disgraceful, they soon sussed that he would give a free kick at every tackle, so they just kept throwing themselves to the floor at every opportunity knowing this imbecile would give a free kick, why did our players not understand this and act accordingly, why give him the opportunity to do this every time, notice it was always against us, when they did it they got the benefit of doubt, every time, that's cheating.
It totally killed the game for us and just resulted in completely frustrating the players, leading to Mols first yellow and then Anderson reacting and getting sent off.
Will GM put in an official complaint? i doubt it, the reaction to that from all the rest of the reffing community ensures the stick by their man and give us bugger for the rest of the season, just not worth it.
GM needs to rally this squad, we are short in the determination and grit department and the players we have are too lightweight to be effective in a game like today, we missed the drive of Clifton, he would of probably got sent off again if he'd played.
They deserved to win the game just on their application to the match, they kept the ball and had us chasing shadows, we have to regroup, look at what we attempt to do and above all learn to keep the ball when we have it which includes cutting out the really sloppy play that just kept giving them possession constantly.
The midfield have to impose themselves more on the match, if we don't or can't then get rid, we can't carry anyone, we need them all firing.
That bas*ard today set the tone very early and we as a team were not smart enough to adapt to his ways, very frustrating for everyone but as professional players they need to take responsibility.
What i don't want to see is a player like Ironside going through a war to attempt to keep a ball when he's being fouled constantly, as soon as he feels the touch why was he not hitting the deck like their players, we need to be far smarter, there's nothing to gain from playing the "game" it seems every side we now play do this, we need to adapt, or its going to be another very long season.
Ref ruins the game and we fall for it,hook line and sinker!! Shocking.
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“ Referee James Bell has been stood down from Ipswich Town's League One game against Charlton Athletic, after a backlash when it emerged he is a Sheffield Wednesday supporter.”
Yorkshire Post 14/04/23
Could he favour Chesterfield too I wonder?
Maybe,maybe not,maybe it was more he just hates Rovers with him being a wednesday fan,BUT it does indicate what kind of person he is,willing to keep silent on his possible indirect vested interest in a game he was set to officiate,says alot about the character of the man.
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The lino also after flagging moly offside gave a thumbs up to the goalkeeper.
The officiating today was literally the worst in my 39 years on this earth. East stand Lino putting his flag up and then down twice.
Surprised Sharp didn’t get sent off too, you could see the fans, the players and grant/cliff were rattled and lost their heads today.
Chesterfield assistant manager said he got every call right, what a deluded bellend
…..and no doubt that the assessor will say that he got all the big decisions right too and Bell will get another match to ruin next weekend.
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It was truly awful refereeing. I have never felt so angry towards an official in nearly 50 years of watching.
I honestly think that he had an ‘oh I’m a w**ker am I? I’ll show you a w**ker’ attitude.
An absolute disgrace. The worst thing is, he will justify all of the cards he gave, and probably be given a pat on the back.
That said, we were very poor again.
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He was nearly as bad against us at Goodison in the Carabou Cup match!
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I am sure McCann will go right in on him here. No restraint, take the fine. Make the point.
Absolutely disgraceful even the first half, didn’t give us a thing!
Not exactly true . He gave us a foul for a wrestle on Ironside
I leapt out of my Seat applauding , thinking this has the potential to be a good Ref
I was wrong he was a Card Happy Clown and could not have been more biased if he HAD been paid
Where I sit the people always the pee because I am almost always anti Ref but some of them were purple face , apoplectic , and swearing and went down to "vent their spleens" and the Ref was given a protective shield coming off AND the Card Happy c*** actually laughed , grinned and didn't give a f*** ( job done )
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Only one word required for Mr Bell. Incompetent.
The refs seem to get worse each week.
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I have to chalk up a " I've never seen that in all my days watching football"
A team 2-0 down are being pressed back into their Penalty area obviously under pressure
The attacking side ( CFC ) are caught offside , roughly level with the Penalty Spot and the Lino signals it immediately.
The Ref sees the flag and ffs ( only he will know ) signals advantage to DRFC in their own area with barely a player in any position to take any advantage whatsoever
Total f****** muppet
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Has anyone got a screenshot of Molys offside?
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Grigg takes TSL out late,not even a talking to when it was a nailed on Yellow card
Out of all the decisions that one enraged me the most, just totally baffled me how with all the bookings he dished out he didn’t think that deemed one, outrageous!
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Has anyone got a screenshot of Molys offside?
Molyneux was miles out of shot when the ball was played. Given the length of time it was in the air, I'd not be surprised if he was onside. It was right in front of us and my reaction was he was onside. But someone a couple of rows back said he was clearly off.
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Has anyone got a screenshot of Molys offside?
Molyneux was miles out of shot when the ball was played. Given the length of time it was in the air, I'd not be surprised if he was onside. It was right in front of us and my reaction was he was onside. But someone a couple of rows back said he was clearly off.
It was right in front of me, onside by a mile
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I'm neutral and that was the worst refereeing performance I've ever seen. Nevermind the phantom offside by the lino. A disgrace.
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Is there any action that can be taken after such an inept display of both referee and Lino’s - who monitors this, I am certain even Chesterfield fans would agree that that was not a fair , right or just performance from the ref.
I am still not sure what I have witnessed, i don’t swear really but I did at this game, I just don’t understand what were his reasons to give all the fouls he did and that impacted the game so so much. I’m really confused
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The east stand lino caused the corner for the second goal. False flag idiot.
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Is there any action that can be taken after such an inept display of both referee and Lino’s - who monitors this, I am certain even Chesterfield fans would agree that that was not a fair , right or just performance from the ref.
I am still not sure what I have witnessed, i don’t swear really but I did at this game, I just don’t understand what were his reasons to give all the fouls he did and that impacted the game so so much. I’m really confused
The referee assessor will give him a good report and we will all move on.
Bell will get another game next week.
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Has anyone got a screenshot of Molys offside?
Molyneux was miles out of shot when the ball was played. Given the length of time it was in the air, I'd not be surprised if he was onside. It was right in front of us and my reaction was he was onside. But someone a couple of rows back said he was clearly off.
The fact Moly stopped, looked at the lino, then kicked it, was unbelievable.
Anderson lunged his head at Dunkley so can’t argue there.
The contentious one was the penalty. It his his and and it helped him control the ball but it was ball to hand wasn’t it??
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First red: Correct by the law.
Penalty: Very very harsh, its hit his arm in a natural position with no movement towards the ball.
Second red: Hard to know what's actually been said or gone on.
Second red, Anderson has been f**king stupid. He's gone forehead to forehead with their lad like a pair of rutting stags, they made a jerk motion with his head. Nothing violent but it gave a stupid opportunity for their lad to play the dying swan. It's a red card in today's football.
I'm f**king livid with him and Molyneux. They've acted like a pair of Sunday League d**kheads.
We played into the referees hands two matches on the bounce.
Problem is Grant has built this lot up to win the league, even told them with almost 2 points per game they only achieving at 30% of what they are apparently capable of.
All very well and good…
But actually we now have a bunch of players that think walking onto the pitch will be enough.
And when it goes a bit wrong, rather than putting aggression into moving the ball quick and having a real go at the opponents, by breathing fire and putting them well and truly on the back foot, they winge, moan and generally show a complete lack of intelligence and hand a totally incompetent referee with all the ammunition required.
Get a grip for Tuesday and start playing football quickly…Now!
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https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=292017.0#msg1338556
My comment re the Everton game mentioned above
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It’s so wrong there needs to be clarity and consequences at the moment we have neither, it’s like the Lego movie everything’s good everything is fine
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57 years I’ve been watching Rovers.
Performances like that by the referee today, which ruined the game, could actually put me off going to football.
There was a moment, after he gave that penalty, when I fleetingly considered planning my route from my seat down to the perimeter fence and onto the pitch to get to the ref and remove the red card from his pocket and shove it up his f**king arse.
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57 years I’ve been watching Rovers.
Performances like that by the referee today, which ruined the game, could actually put me off going to football.
There was a moment, after he gave that penalty, when I fleetingly considered planning my route from my seat down to the perimeter fence and onto the pitch to get to the ref and remove the red card from his pocket and shove it up his f**king arse.
I was really expecting someone to try something like that today.
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Said the same to the guy behind me in the South Stand - it use makes you want to leave football all together. We all pay good money to go watch our team, but any enjoyment we could have had was totally ruined by all the officials. Incompetence on an unprecedented scale.
It was, as I’ve read someone else write, as if the ref and linesmen had been bribed to give everything to Chesterfield. Some unbelievably bad decisions. This is the guy that left our injured right back floundering on the pitch, having been fouled at Everton, which led to them scoring, but that, as it turns out, was so insignificant when compared to the officiating on display today!
The 3 of them need removing from their posts. But they’ll be on another pitch next week, ruining someone else’s day.
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Agreed Alan.
Rovers were not good today but I find myself unable to analyse and reflect on our performance because these disgraceful officials (or should I say 2 out of the 3) totally ruined that match due to their utter ineptitude.
Particularly the ref, but well done the East Stand liner for a wonderful supporting role.
For me, this took bad officiating to a new level and it ruined the game.
There’s an old saying that the best refs are those you barely notice during the game.
This f**king t**t today was the absolute opposite of that.
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Agreed Alan.
Rovers were not good today but I find myself unable to analyse and reflect on our performance because these disgraceful officials (or should I say 2 out of the 3) totally ruined that match due to their utter ineptitude.
Particularly the ref, but well done the East Stand liner for a wonderful supporting role.
For me, this took bad officiating to a new level and it ruined the game.
There’s an old saying that the best refs are those you barely notice during the game.
This f**king t**t today was the absolute opposite of that.
Oh I wouldn't leave out the west stand lino. At least two flags second half that weren't even close to being offside.
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His betting account needs a good check - he most certainly had a good bet on chesterfield today. Seriously, it needs to be checked because that display was worse than incompetent - too bad to be honest!
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The thought too crossed my mind that if I’d been able to do a ‘Tony Coleman’ on him it would a) put him out of action for a while b) whilst having to accept the lifetime ban from attending all future live games, a criminal record for assault, I would accept in the hope I might yet go down in ‘Rovers folklore’ if I was to bow to the home crowd after dropping the ref then walking sedately towards the tunnel with my hands held out in front of me in the ‘you may now apply the cuffs’ position.
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Is there any action that can be taken after such an inept display of both referee and Lino’s - who monitors this, I am certain even Chesterfield fans would agree that that was not a fair , right or just performance from the ref.
I am still not sure what I have witnessed, i don’t swear really but I did at this game, I just don’t understand what were his reasons to give all the fouls he did and that impacted the game so so much. I’m really confused
You’d think so wouldn’t you but I listened to their assistant manager interviews on RS, who said the ref had a great game and got every decision right. Lying c*nt!!!!!!
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I've put a complaint into the FA I wouldn't normally but watching back on the highlights the fact that for their penalty they had one player about 5 yards inside the box before he took and the referee was closest to him and did nothing pushed me over the edge if you can't make the basic decisions right what do we expect?!
Although penalty all day tried to move his arm unfortunately made it worse.
Red card for Luke no complaints and neither can Tom both need to wise but sure they'll come back stronger with a point to prove.
Little blip
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The thing that really gets me is that there’s no recourse that really matters is there? Officials are untouchable. Protected.
If the ref today is assessed and demoted… damage already done.
Say he was investigated and found to be betting or whatever. What then? The damage is again already done to us already (not that we’d have got anything from the game anyway the way we played today).
Are officials still part time at our level or are they full time professionals?
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The West Stand linesman was frequently 10 yards behind the back line and scrambling to make a guess at offsides.
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I think a few folks have taken it a bit too far (with the whole ‘I wonder if he’s had a bet’ nonsense). He was very poor. But…
1. Molyneux only has himself to blame.
2. The handball is avoidable if you are concentrating and anticipating play
3. They passed it around our midfield at will in the first half. That’s not the referee’s fault.
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Let's blame the ref, the linesman, the pitch but let's not blame the squad for just not being good enough even though McCann put this squad together before any other club in league two. Do the players really want promotion, I don't think so? The simple fact is that now we have dropped into league two we can't get out of it.
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Nobody was not blaming our team-set up-tactics today we were poor but what made me more angry to the point like a post above. I am 66 been going to Rovers since the 80s and I said to my lad Im gonna take a live time ban a t**t this ref. He was that bent. Worst I have seen Lino on east stand caused chaos. Mols got booked at end of first half for telling Ref he was a Kitson for not giving us a pen when he was clearly tripped in the box but when he booked him he had his back to him did he even know...but daft kicking ball away. So yes we were shite and have been for the last few games have we even been that good yet...but the officials should never come back to Doncaster.
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Does any rational person seriously think a referee comes to Doncaster with the intention of making us lose the game?
If that was really true the ref would not be in the job for long. They are under scrutiny themselves even if we don't like every decision against us.
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I think a few folks have taken it a bit too far (with the whole ‘I wonder if he’s had a bet’ nonsense). He was very poor. But…
1. Molyneux only has himself to blame.
2. The handball is avoidable if you are concentrating and anticipating play
3. They passed it around our midfield at will in the first half. That’s not the referee’s fault.
If the Lino did his job correctly, Molly doesn’t get a second yellow, because he was miles onside, and did Molly even know he was on a yellow card?
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I think a few folks have taken it a bit too far (with the whole ‘I wonder if he’s had a bet’ nonsense). He was very poor. But…
1. Molyneux only has himself to blame.
2. The handball is avoidable if you are concentrating and anticipating play
3. They passed it around our midfield at will in the first half. That’s not the referee’s fault.
Just from the first half alone he was giving them all 50-50s, all light challenges from us were given to them, the opposite weren't given to us. Hence why he was booed off at half time and Molyneux felt the need to approach him anyway. There was definitely an agenda.
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https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=292017.0#msg1338556 (https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=292017.0#msg1338556)
I posted this on the Everton game in error , because he reffed there and as I stated then " gave the big Team everything "
Worst scoring ever on Rate the Ref is 39 x Nil and at the moment the Card Happy Clown is only on 23
I think we were not at it 100%, I think some individuals let themselves and their Team mates and we the Fans down BUT that does not take anything away from the performance of the Officials in any way
The Ref appeared to be clearly biased one way or, not quite as bad , totally inconsistent and / or incompetent if he WASNT biased
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Does any rational person seriously think a referee comes to Doncaster with the intention of making us lose the game?
If that was really true the ref would not be in the job for long. They are under scrutiny themselves even if we don't like every decision against us.
Does any rational person believe the players “don’t want promotion”?
Because promotion of course brings them an increase in wage & no one wants that.
Does any rational person believe that the squad Grant has put together isn’t one of the strongest we’ve had for the past 5 years?
Does any rational person believe that we “can’t get out of it (league two)?
No.
You’re irrational & your comments irrelevant.
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Let's blame the ref, the linesman, the pitch but let's not blame the squad for just not being good enough even though McCann put this squad together before any other club in league two. Do the players really want promotion, I don't think so? The simple fact is that now we have dropped into league two we can't get out of it.
Absolute clown, yes we were bad yesterday but get a grip.
As McCann said it’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.
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Right in front of me, looked well onside
That lino set his stall out early 1st half 5yards behind play sprinting to catch up.missed the Chessie player yards offside near the East stand. Didn't get many decisions right after that
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Let's blame the ref, the linesman, the pitch but let's not blame the squad for just not being good enough even though McCann put this squad together before any other club in league two. Do the players really want promotion, I don't think so? The simple fact is that now we have dropped into league two we can't get out of it.
Even a Chesie fan has dropped a comment on this forum saying the ref was a disgrace.
And I think you’ll find many posts clearly stating that the team was a shambles, few are solely blaming the ref for the defeat.
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Watched man utd spurs yesterday. Thought it interesting the hand ball penalty was not given. How is it different to the one in our game? Tried to explain it to my kids but had no idea how to. I'm a bit lost on the rules.
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Watched man utd spurs yesterday. Thought it interesting the hand ball penalty was not given. How is it different to the one in our game? Tried to explain it to my kids but had no idea how to. I'm a bit lost on the rules.
At our level its about the individual Refs interpretation, at PL level they have VAR, but there was no difference
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Just watched the extended highlights and its got me mad again. As stated we got it wrong in midfield. Close is not up for it as I have said before he is a choccy tea cup just melts away. Obviously I would not run on pitch to smack the ref...that's just anger and I would not reach. Be blowing out my arse after I stuck the east side linesman's flag up his bum...lol
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I don't want to make things any worse but if you think this guy was bad then just wait for the clown that's coming up tomorrow night.
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I don't want to make things any worse but if you think this guy was bad then just wait for the clown that's coming up tomorrow night.
Made me look it up - oh great Scott Oldham the ref from the Crewe play off game (home) can’t wait
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https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=292351.msg1345011#msg1345011
It shouldn't have been a surprise given we panned him when we actually won this game
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I think a few folks have taken it a bit too far (with the whole ‘I wonder if he’s had a bet’ nonsense). He was very poor. But…
1. Molyneux only has himself to blame.
2. The handball is avoidable if you are concentrating and anticipating play
3. They passed it around our midfield at will in the first half. That’s not the referee’s fault.
If the Lino did his job correctly, Molly doesn’t get a second yellow, because he was miles onside, and did Molly even know he was on a yellow card?
If he didn’t know he was on a yellow, then serious questions need asking as to why our analysts haven’t made him aware. I can therefore only assume he knew.
Whether he was onside or not isn’t really the point (I haven’t seen any screenshots shots that prove this either way). The facts are that he knew the ref had stopped play and he still choose to kick the ball away. Whether we agree with the rule or not doesn’t matter either, it’s his responsibility to manage his actions on the field of play in accordance with the laws of the game.
We’ve got to wise up. Clifton equally as stupid the week before.
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Saturday was Bell's first match officiating at league two level this season, previously he's been officiating in the Championship apart from the match at Goodison.
It would appear he is considered to be one of the EFL's better referees!
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Jeez, the standards really are falling.
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Saturday was Bell's first match officiating at league two level this season, previously he's been officiating in the Championship apart from the match at Goodison.
It would appear he is considered to be one of the EFL's better referees!
Maybe he was so bad at Championship level he was "punished" by being dropped a couple of divisions. That seems to be the norm
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Has anyone got a screenshot of Molys offside?
Molyneux was miles out of shot when the ball was played. Given the length of time it was in the air, I'd not be surprised if he was onside. It was right in front of us and my reaction was he was onside. But someone a couple of rows back said he was clearly off.
The fact Moly stopped, looked at the lino, then kicked it, was unbelievable.
Anderson lunged his head at Dunkley so can’t argue there.
The contentious one was the penalty. It his his and and it helped him control the ball but it was ball to hand wasn’t it??
im with you on this for me ball to hand for me his arms arnt outstretched demand me me he doesn’t lean into the ball and also all other little fiddly fouls he seemed to give chesterfield but not us but all other big incidents regarding cards can’t argue with even McGraths caution as it was because of his follow through,even doppy linesman putting his flag up and down you should still play to the whistle.
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Anderson's red card has been appealed.
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Interesting to hear that Grant spoke to the head of referees and gave his opinion that neither the foul on Molyneux or the handball by Yeboah were penalties. Also that Anderson's red will be appealed.
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No point in appealing if there is no evidence apart from the Fourth officials word
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Maybe rovers have extra evidence we haven't seen?
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Lets hope the fella who walks up and down the goal line with his video cam has caught this altercation and its enough to warrant an appeal.
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Interesting to hear that Grant spoke to the head of referees and gave his opinion that neither the foul on Molyneux or the handball by Yeboah were penalties. Also that Anderson's red will be appealed.
And no doubt gave his opinion of Mr Bell as well
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James bell sent Luton substitute off last night within a minute off him coming on. So that’s 4 red cards in his last 3 games
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Say it every week about refs- they are all corrupt
How?
And more to the point, why would they be?
Who exactly would be looking to chuck enough money at bribing officials in the fourth tier to make it worth anyone's while?
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I don't think it's about bribery, it's about referees not being impartial - James Bell for whatever reason - loyalty to Sheff Wed, personal bias, reaction to crowd jeers, or perverse arrogance (which I think drives many refs - that feeling of smug satisfaction about being centre of attention and having the power to upset so many people) - deliberately and routinely favoured one team over another on Tuesday. That is corrupt.
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James bell sent Luton substitute off last night within a minute off him coming on. So that’s 4 red cards in his last 3 games
He brandished the yellow card six times as well.
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I don't think it's about bribery, it's about referees not being impartial - James Bell for whatever reason - loyalty to Sheff Wed, personal bias, reaction to crowd jeers, or perverse arrogance (which I think drives many refs - that feeling of smug satisfaction about being centre of attention and having the power to upset so many people) - deliberately and routinely favoured one team over another on Tuesday. That is corrupt.
That's a nonsense. There is absolutely no incentive for referees to be biased in any way or form.
The reactions to referees performances are blown way out of proportion. They're an easy target, and are held to account much more rigorously than anyone else on the pitch, despite being paid the least. We've got players making really stupid decisions that are getting them rightly carded, yet the referees get their credibility questioned for rightly issuing those cards.
Refereeing is tougher than it's ever been – television has massively skewed the expectation of them and what they're there for; they're bound by very exacting assessment criteria which limits their ability to let games flow; and then you've this increasing celebration of 'shithousery' whereby refs have to contain with 22 players, managers and subs trying to influence every decision they might make.
Referees will always perceive a game differently to everyone in the stands because they've got a different perspective aspect of the game to everyone else. I think there are some excellent referees, I think there are some less good ones, and yeah there are some who I whince at the prospect of, but either way they don't deserve the level of nonsense that gets hurled at them just because they read a game differently to people watching.
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I don't think it's about bribery, it's about referees not being impartial - James Bell for whatever reason - loyalty to Sheff Wed, personal bias, reaction to crowd jeers, or perverse arrogance (which I think drives many refs - that feeling of smug satisfaction about being centre of attention and having the power to upset so many people) - deliberately and routinely favoured one team over another on Tuesday. That is corrupt.
That's a nonsense. There is absolutely no incentive for referees to be biased in any way or form.
The reactions to referees performances are blown way out of proportion. They're an easy target, and are held to account much more rigorously than anyone else on the pitch, despite being paid the least. We've got players making really stupid decisions that are getting them rightly carded, yet the referees get their credibility questioned for rightly issuing those cards.
Refereeing is tougher than it's ever been – television has massively skewed the expectation of them and what they're there for; they're bound by very exacting assessment criteria which limits their ability to let games flow; and then you've this increasing celebration of 'shithousery' whereby refs have to contain with 22 players, managers and subs trying to influence every decision they might make.
Referees will always perceive a game differently to everyone in the stands because they've got a different perspective aspect of the game to everyone else. I think there are some excellent referees, I think there are some less good ones, and yeah there are some who I whince at the prospect of, but either way they don't deserve the level of nonsense that gets hurled at them just because they read a game differently to people watching.
I agree mostly, like all things in life there are a few that give the majority a bad name. But those few - Bell included - must have some reason to be biased. There's a short blonde ref we keep getting who is the epitome of arrogant pr*ck, always puts on a performance that riles up the crowd and means he gets to walk off with a smug grin to a barrage of abuse. He loves it.
But you're right - all things being equal - most refs do their best to be fair, and red and white tinted glasses can get in the way can cloud how we see a ref!
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Thought last nights ref was excellent. Definitely not in the drama Queen category.
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James bell sent Luton substitute off last night within a minute off him coming on. So that’s 4 red cards in his last 3 games
He brandished the yellow card six times as well.
Didnt see any of it. Was he favouring one side .... the home Team or the BIG Team (if they are not one and the same)
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James bell sent Luton substitute off last night within a minute off him coming on. So that’s 4 red cards in his last 3 games
He brandished the yellow card six times as well.
Didnt see any of it. Was he favouring one side .... the home Team or the BIG Team (if they are not one and the same)
I don’t know mate, I just looked on the bbc website stats.
Three yellows for each team.
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Yes , I should have known !
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I don't think it's about bribery, it's about referees not being impartial - James Bell for whatever reason - loyalty to Sheff Wed, personal bias, reaction to crowd jeers, or perverse arrogance (which I think drives many refs - that feeling of smug satisfaction about being centre of attention and having the power to upset so many people) - deliberately and routinely favoured one team over another on Tuesday. That is corrupt.
That's a nonsense. There is absolutely no incentive for referees to be biased in any way or form.
The reactions to referees performances are blown way out of proportion. They're an easy target, and are held to account much more rigorously than anyone else on the pitch, despite being paid the least. We've got players making really stupid decisions that are getting them rightly carded, yet the referees get their credibility questioned for rightly issuing those cards.
Refereeing is tougher than it's ever been – television has massively skewed the expectation of them and what they're there for; they're bound by very exacting assessment criteria which limits their ability to let games flow; and then you've this increasing celebration of 'shithousery' whereby refs have to contain with 22 players, managers and subs trying to influence every decision they might make.
Referees will always perceive a game differently to everyone in the stands because they've got a different perspective aspect of the game to everyone else. I think there are some excellent referees, I think there are some less good ones, and yeah there are some who I whince at the prospect of, but either way they don't deserve the level of nonsense that gets hurled at them just because they read a game differently to people watching.
Talking of nonsense, how are refs "held to account much more rigorously than anyone else on the pitch"?
In his last three matches alone, James Bell has given:
21 (TWENTY ONE!!!) yellow cards
4 red cards
Yet he'll never be held to account in the media because they aren't forced to give media interviews. Crowds can chant, but they are powerless - they can never hold him to account.
Who's holding him to account?
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I don't think it's about bribery, it's about referees not being impartial - James Bell for whatever reason - loyalty to Sheff Wed, personal bias, reaction to crowd jeers, or perverse arrogance (which I think drives many refs - that feeling of smug satisfaction about being centre of attention and having the power to upset so many people) - deliberately and routinely favoured one team over another on Tuesday. That is corrupt.
That's a nonsense. There is absolutely no incentive for referees to be biased in any way or form.
The reactions to referees performances are blown way out of proportion. They're an easy target, and are held to account much more rigorously than anyone else on the pitch, despite being paid the least. We've got players making really stupid decisions that are getting them rightly carded, yet the referees get their credibility questioned for rightly issuing those cards.
Refereeing is tougher than it's ever been – television has massively skewed the expectation of them and what they're there for; they're bound by very exacting assessment criteria which limits their ability to let games flow; and then you've this increasing celebration of 'shithousery' whereby refs have to contain with 22 players, managers and subs trying to influence every decision they might make.
Referees will always perceive a game differently to everyone in the stands because they've got a different perspective aspect of the game to everyone else. I think there are some excellent referees, I think there are some less good ones, and yeah there are some who I whince at the prospect of, but either way they don't deserve the level of nonsense that gets hurled at them just because they read a game differently to people watching.
Talking of nonsense, how are refs "held to account much more rigorously than anyone else on the pitch"?
In his last three matches alone, James Bell has given:
21 (TWENTY ONE!!!) yellow cards
4 red cards
Yet he'll never be held to account in the media because they aren't forced to give media interviews. Crowds can chant, but they are powerless - they can never hold him to account.
Who's holding him to account?
it’s ok saying that but how many of those were justified as certainly the last 3 reds that he has given was and most of not all in our game was so as bad as he was for us the cautions were correct in law
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Unless I’m Blind he hasn’t been allocated a match for the next set of fixtures so he’s maybe been given a break, or on his holidays with his winnings!
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I don't think it's about bribery, it's about referees not being impartial - James Bell for whatever reason - loyalty to Sheff Wed, personal bias, reaction to crowd jeers, or perverse arrogance (which I think drives many refs - that feeling of smug satisfaction about being centre of attention and having the power to upset so many people) - deliberately and routinely favoured one team over another on Tuesday. That is corrupt.
That's a nonsense. There is absolutely no incentive for referees to be biased in any way or form.
The reactions to referees performances are blown way out of proportion. They're an easy target, and are held to account much more rigorously than anyone else on the pitch, despite being paid the least. We've got players making really stupid decisions that are getting them rightly carded, yet the referees get their credibility questioned for rightly issuing those cards.
Refereeing is tougher than it's ever been – television has massively skewed the expectation of them and what they're there for; they're bound by very exacting assessment criteria which limits their ability to let games flow; and then you've this increasing celebration of 'shithousery' whereby refs have to contain with 22 players, managers and subs trying to influence every decision they might make.
Referees will always perceive a game differently to everyone in the stands because they've got a different perspective aspect of the game to everyone else. I think there are some excellent referees, I think there are some less good ones, and yeah there are some who I whince at the prospect of, but either way they don't deserve the level of nonsense that gets hurled at them just because they read a game differently to people watching.
Talking of nonsense, how are refs "held to account much more rigorously than anyone else on the pitch"?
In his last three matches alone, James Bell has given:
21 (TWENTY ONE!!!) yellow cards
4 red cards
Yet he'll never be held to account in the media because they aren't forced to give media interviews. Crowds can chant, but they are powerless - they can never hold him to account.
Who's holding him to account?
I'm presuming the Refs Assessor but then I have to ask if the Assessor gave him 80 out of 100 as the marking was last time I saw one , I would say way too high , so who is holding the Assessor accountable .
If that's how it works I would then expect the Ref to give the Officials a similar score THOUGH in the Case of the 4th Official he might have given higher as he was alert enough to keep watching the Anderson "clash" and with his superb eyesight managed to discern him to be the aggressor and alerted the Ref to that in a few seconds
It all STINKS