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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: coventryrover on September 28, 2024, 05:15:42 pm
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
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He was dam right awful, however your right we were more awful ! Grant has got a big job in front of him based on today’s showing !
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We’re losing these games in midfield. Needs a rethink
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And how sloppy were we. Poor pass, poor positioning etc etc . Central midfield were toothless
But how sloppy were we.
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The midfield shape needs tweaking. Bailey hasn’t got going this season at all.
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
The game may have ended up differently with a normal referee. There was at least 3 massive game defining moments and lots of smaller ones which stopped any momentum from us.
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
The game may have ended up differently with a normal referee. There was at least 3 massive game defining moments and lots of smaller ones which stopped any momentum from us.
Which big decision did he get 100% wrong? The first red was nailed on, he handled it for the penalty and the second red could well have been right.
Got some of the small decisions wrong admittedly.
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
The game may have ended up differently with a normal referee. There was at least 3 massive game defining moments and lots of smaller ones which stopped any momentum from us.
Which big decision did he get 100% wrong? The first red was nailed on, he handled it for the penalty and the second red could well have been right.
Got some of the small decisions wrong admittedly.
Come on. We deserved nothing from the game that officiating was unacceptable.
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We started well then struggled through midfield. Sorry but for me we are miles off it when Close plays, he's just not mobile enough.
Until the red we came out strong second half and we really should have scored if we're honest.
The midfield is the problem for me.
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
The game may have ended up differently with a normal referee. There was at least 3 massive game defining moments and lots of smaller ones which stopped any momentum from us.
Which big decision did he get 100% wrong? The first red was nailed on, he handled it for the penalty and the second red could well have been right.
Got some of the small decisions wrong admittedly.
Lead up to both decisions... First yellow for Molyneux is because of the refs ego, a less horrific first half from the ref and Molyneux isn't even approaching the ref to begin with. Second one he has to give because he gave the same to Madden.
Prior to Anderson's red their player was all over him for the corner, pulling his shirt all over the place, if the referee acts there and does his job then that doesn't lead to whatever happened for the red.
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Trying to stay calm while writing this. You have to look at your own performance first and I can’t help but feel McCann’s tactics have been found out. Cut off the supply to the wide areas and you stop Doncaster Rovers. Ben Close in midfield is a problem. We want to press and he is the weak link in doing that. Since he came into the side we haven’t won many second balls. Fleming another problem. Jack Senior is twice the player he is. How many times did they get in behind us in that first half? Sterry’s side also. Ironside a shadow of what he was last season. Molyneux needs a decent fine for his sending off. The I’ll discipline comes from the manager losing his sh!t on the sidelines every game and stupidly making comments on officials not preparing for games very well. It’s never his fault is it? So based on our own performance I am comfortable knowing we deserved to lose the game.
But then the referee….. what’s the point in even commenting. We all saw what happened. In 30 years watching the Rovers I’ve seen some bad ones but that is the worst.
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Well that first goal, firstly it wasn’t even a free kick, secondly TSL stranded in no mans land, took a couple of steps to come for the ball and stopped, if he commits then he punches the ball away
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The penalty came from extremely poor officiating!!!
The Lino put his flag up for offside, then down but our players momentarily stopped and the ball went out of play. The resulting play ended up being a penalty - now you can say we should’ve handled that second part better, but they don’t score without the first part. Lino did the same thing later in the half?
He was a very poor ref, but can’t complain about the reds, headless from Molly, and I never saw the Anderson red, but others said he did lash out.
The ref set the scene in the first half, great tackles were fouls or yellows every time.
Did we deserve to win - Chesterfield were on top before the ref decided he wanted to be centre of attention. We did still create chances even when we were men down though, so very hard to judge.
All you want is a fair game with a fighting chance, the ref stole that, to the point he looked paid off, a very very odd performance.
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They had two men on Molyneux at all times, other teams have also done it to us. Easy tactic that unfortunately works.
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The second goal, prior to it the Lino put up the took down his flag for offside, no advantage came of it so it should have gone back to a free kick to us, instead of the corner and the pen that came from it.
But we were not good today, but the ref was worse
COYR
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They had two men on Molyneux at all times, other teams have also done it to us. Easy tactic that unfortunately works.
It does work but we should be able to exploit the space that creates. We don't, that's the issue.
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They had two men on Molyneux at all times, other teams have also done it to us. Easy tactic that unfortunately works.
That should lead us to having a spare man, but at times it looked like they had more players on the pitch than us, Close is not the holding midfielder that Grant thinks he is
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Very disappointing day were nothing was happening mid field and close may have well not been there.we don’t seem to know what our best lineup is.things will get better.
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Well that first goal, firstly it wasn’t even a free kick, secondly TSL stranded in no mans land, took a couple of steps to come for the ball and stopped, if he commits then he punches the ball away
Not a free kick but the dead balls absolutely whipped in , almost impossible to defend. A great set piece, sometimes you just have to hold your hands up
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
Ignore the REF!! Wtf ? He controlled the game by giving dozens unnecessary free kicks and petulant bookings when a strong word would probably have done the trick . So f*** this ref he was an insult to every fair minded fan of the game came to see a competitive have between to local teams !!
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
The game may have ended up differently with a normal referee. There was at least 3 massive game defining moments and lots of smaller ones which stopped any momentum from us.
Which big decision did he get 100% wrong? The first red was nailed on, he handled it for the penalty and the second red could well have been right.
Got some of the small decisions wrong admittedly.
He got the free kick wrong resulting in their first goal.
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After their third the guy who scored it - Berry - was hovering around our bench and giving McCann some grief as if there was some history there - anyone else see that or know what that was about?
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Hull under 21s ?
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
The game may have ended up differently with a normal referee. There was at least 3 massive game defining moments and lots of smaller ones which stopped any momentum from us.
Which big decision did he get 100% wrong? The first red was nailed on, he handled it for the penalty and the second red could well have been right.
Got some of the small decisions wrong admittedly.
That penalty decision was a shocker. Yeboah had seen the ball very late as it's cleared the jumping players ahead of him. It's bounced awkwardly and hit his arm in a perfectly natural position. He may just have moved his arm 2-3 inches instinctively as the ball dropped and bounced, but the ball would have still hit him if he hadn't. There was no advantage lost to Chesterfield as many Yeboah was marking wasn't in any position to win the ball.
It's ridiculous to give a penalty for that.
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Bailey and Kelly as the 2 in front of back 4
If Close is going to start he has to play further forward because he can’t defend.
Last week he was good, this week awful.
We mis Mathew Craig the most imo He simply has not been replaced
Sbarra is a talented player but lacks physicality for this league.
Thought Chesterfield were just better than us all over the pitch.
We need to get the middle of the park sorted. That’s where our weakness are most evident..
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Well that first goal, firstly it wasn’t even a free kick, secondly TSL stranded in no mans land, took a couple of steps to come for the ball and stopped, if he commits then he punches the ball away
He wasn’t in no-man’s land. It was a superb delivery in and he wasn’t going to get to it.
I think it was Bailey who lost his marker, but criticising him isn’t the done thing
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
The game may have ended up differently with a normal referee. There was at least 3 massive game defining moments and lots of smaller ones which stopped any momentum from us.
no there was a lot of smaller incidents he got wrong but the main one apart from
Penalty as couldn’t see from where I was so will leave that one to ponder
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Hull under 21s ?
Thank you, the ever-reliable wikipedia tells me he was at Hull 19/20 and 20/21 so obviously something gone off there! He was definitely trying to wind Grant up and Grant wasn't very happy about it!
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Paul Cook said to Grant don't worry I will sort him out later.
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Bailey and Kelly as the 2 in front of back 4
If Close is going to start he has to play further forward because he can’t defend.
Last week he was good, this week awful.
We mis Mathew Craig the most imo He simply has not been replaced
Sbarra is a talented player but lacks physicality for this league.
Thought Chesterfield were just better than us all over the pitch.
We need to get the middle of the park sorted. That’s where our weakness are most evident..
Sbarra you'd have in your 5 a side team, but not in men's football
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Bailey and Kelly as the 2 in front of back 4
If Close is going to start he has to play further forward because he can’t defend.
Last week he was good, this week awful.
We mis Mathew Craig the most imo He simply has not been replaced
Sbarra is a talented player but lacks physicality for this league.
Thought Chesterfield were just better than us all over the pitch.
We need to get the middle of the park sorted. That’s where our weakness are most evident..
Sbarra you'd have in your 5 a side team, but not in men's football
He's been 1 of the stand out performer's in the National League, a league that Chesterfield were in last season who absolutely schooled us today. In fact most teams who come out of there do well. Most fans were rightly calling him to start today so what do we do , discard him after 1 start when the whole team played poorly?! Can't keep chopping & changing, give the guy chance.
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Bailey and Kelly as the 2 in front of back 4
If Close is going to start he has to play further forward because he can’t defend.
Last week he was good, this week awful.
We mis Mathew Craig the most imo He simply has not been replaced
Sbarra is a talented player but lacks physicality for this league.
Thought Chesterfield were just better than us all over the pitch.
We need to get the middle of the park sorted. That’s where our weakness are most evident..
Don't people say the National League is more physical?
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One aspect of our play that I think is lacking is nobody seems to want to run with the ball. When a player receives the ball, he invariably stands still and passes it with very little movement.
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Sorry but you can’t ignore the ref in this match. First goal was never a free kick. Penalty was soft to say the least. If the ref can’t take a bit of criticism then why is he reffing - yellow cards for contesting poor decisions classed as dissent - it was all about his fragile ego. If I were the EFL refs governing body I would be checking his bet365 account - he most certainly had a life changing bet on chesterfield to win today. He’s either totally incompetent or on the take. Cheating c*nt!!
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It's not incompetence. If it was, he would be equally incompetent in his decision-making for both teams. Today he gave Chesterfield everything and Donny nothing.
That looked to me like partiality to put it very mildly.
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It's not incompetence. If it was, he would be equally incompetent in his decision-making for both teams. Today he gave Chesterfield everything and Donny nothing.
That looked to me like partiality to put it very mildly.
Exactly, his betting account needs checking! :police:
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Ignore the ref?!
Are you serious?!
That’s like saying “apart from the tsunami we experienced during our holiday in Indonesia which killed 200,000 people we actually had quite a pleasant time”.
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Ignore the ref?!
Are you serious?!
That’s like saying “apart from the tsunami we experienced during our holiday in Indonesia which killed 200,000 people we actually had quite a pleasant time”.
Apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ... what have the Romans ever done for us?
Brought peace
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
The game may have ended up differently with a normal referee. There was at least 3 massive game defining moments and lots of smaller ones which stopped any momentum from us.
Which big decision did he get 100% wrong? The first red was nailed on, he handled it for the penalty and the second red could well have been right.
Got some of the small decisions wrong admittedly.
Well , everyone I spoke to at Half time said the Free kick which led to their Goal was NOT a foul
Everyone I've spoken to said McGrath made a robust but fair challenge
Neither of those were trivial decisions and nor was their forward following through on Teddy when the ball was long gone and which it seemed didn't warrant a Card in a game where every foul we did DID result in Yellow or it appeared that way
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We might of been crap, but the ref was shocking, had the responsibility to Referee a big game, be fair and blew it, he might want to consider stepping down to Sunday League level along with the linesmen! He might as well have come on wearing a Chesterfield jersey. All Chesterfield had to do was turn up yesterday.
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
From where I was sat, some 30 yards away with Yeboah facing me, it hits the top of his standing foot then bounces up onto his arm which is in a ‘natural position’ but he had no time to move it anyway before the ball bounced up at him. The circus clown dressed in black was stood behind Yeboah so didn’t have a good view to give such a massive decision.
Never a penalty in my opinion.
The game may have ended up differently with a normal referee. There was at least 3 massive game defining moments and lots of smaller ones which stopped any momentum from us.
Which big decision did he get 100% wrong? The first red was nailed on, he handled it for the penalty and the second red could well have been right.
Got some of the small decisions wrong admittedly.
That penalty decision was a shocker. Yeboah had seen the ball very late as it's cleared the jumping players ahead of him. It's bounced awkwardly and hit his arm in a perfectly natural position. He may just have moved his arm 2-3 inches instinctively as the ball dropped and bounced, but the ball would have still hit him if he hadn't. There was no advantage lost to Chesterfield as many Yeboah was marking wasn't in any position to win the ball.
It's ridiculous to give a penalty for that.
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We were shite but 11 v 15 is hard enough, never mind 9.
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We might of been crap, but the ref was shocking, had the responsibility to Referee a big game, be fair and blew it, he might want to consider stepping down to Sunday League level along with the linesmen! He might as well have come on wearing a Chesterfield jersey. All Chesterfield had to do was turn up yesterday.
As did Everton when he gave them everything and like yesterdays late assault on our Gk ( twice) with no Yellows he let a horrendous challenge go on one of our players in the left back position of the field
Someone said he was a Premier Ref but he's not even Sunday League standard
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I'm surprised no one else has mentioned the assault on TSL that never even resulted in a talking to, never mind a card.
& Tom got sent off for what, exactly?
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They have, on other threads
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned our penalty appeal for hand ball.
After having given a very very soft penalty against us there was a shot in second half when we were 2.0 down and from where I was sat it looked like their defender almost dived and saved it! That said I was quite far away so might not have been that bad!
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Yes he was poor but can anyone think we deserved anything from that.
The game may have ended up differently with a normal referee. There was at least 3 massive game defining moments and lots of smaller ones which stopped any momentum from us.
Which big decision did he get 100% wrong? The first red was nailed on, he handled it for the penalty and the second red could well have been right.
Got some of the small decisions wrong admittedly.
Well , everyone I spoke to at Half time said the Free kick which led to their Goal was NOT a foul
Everyone I've spoken to said McGrath made a robust but fair challenge
Neither of those were trivial decisions and nor was their forward following through on Teddy when the ball was long gone and which it seemed didn't warrant a Card in a game where every foul we did DID result in Yellow or it appeared that way
their lad did get a card for the challenge on teddy,it was the 2nd one that didn’t when teddy made abit of a meal of it looking for it,mMcGrathyes he won the ball but got booked because of his follow through.sum will say well he won the ball so doesn’t matter or he was protecting himself but you still have to be in full control of yourself even after the ball is won,having said that like you say 1st goal very soft when their player is already on the ball and having seen replay of the handball we would all be shouting and going mad at the south stand but for me it’s ball to hand and it just hits his arm in a natural position
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned our penalty appeal for hand ball.
After having given a very very soft penalty against us there was a shot in second half when we were 2.0 down and from where I was sat it looked like their defender almost dived and saved it! That said I was quite far away so might not have been that bad!
I was in the south and can’t really remember any real appeals for handball
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned our penalty appeal for hand ball.
After having given a very very soft penalty against us there was a shot in second half when we were 2.0 down and from where I was sat it looked like their defender almost dived and saved it! That said I was quite far away so might not have been that bad!
I was in the south and can’t really remember any real appeals for handball
I remember it but it was half hearted.
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Perhaps it would be useful to hire a qualified professional to talk to the players about how to cope with an official like Mr Bell. Indeed they have to relate to a referee and his decisions every game and do we not learn in life that you have to humour officious people?
In football, not only is there there a risk of cards, but anger often does not make players play better, because part of their attention is distracted by their resentment.
…and if you’re going to write to the EFL the only way to make a impression would be to quote a North Derbyshire address and say you are a Spire-ite!
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned our penalty appeal for hand ball.
After having given a very very soft penalty against us there was a shot in second half when we were 2.0 down and from where I was sat it looked like their defender almost dived and saved it! That said I was quite far away so might not have been that bad!
They also had a second Pen appeal that to me looked more "giveable" than the one they got
Near post East stand side
Maybe Ref thought better of it , which again should NOT be a factor in his thought process , if he actually has one
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A very bad day at the office for Mr Bell…End of.
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No, not a bad day. Read the link to the Preston supporter re their game 2 years ago. How is he still in a job?
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Just watched the Man Utd game and it was an exact replica of our game yesterday but without the shite referee.
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Note from the BBC report during ManU game - apparently ManU players appealed for a penalty as the ball hit a Spurs player on the arm, but he said his arm was by his side, so nothing doing there! See, Yeboah’s arm was by his side, but the jerk of a ref we had blew immediately for a pen.
Different strokes for different folks?
Ignore the ref at your peril.
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Just watched the Man Utd game and it was an exact replica of our game yesterday but without the shite referee.
I had the same thought watching it.