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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Ryaldinhio on September 28, 2024, 09:11:59 pm
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Seen nothing to convince me this lad is near good enough. Feels like Roberts last yr. Send him back in Jan and upgrade hopefully.
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Not done anything has he. Makes me laugh when fans of Championship clubs just presume their young players will be “unplayable” at L2 level.
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It always looks like he doesn’t know what to do. Not just tactically but how to run with the ball or pass. Like he’s just started playing the game.
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Look at our wingers/AMs though none of them did anything today:
Molyneux- we know he’s got it but absolutely moronic today.
Gibson- started the season well but has proper gone off the boil. Questions about his attitude.
Hurst- always looks like he’s trying but absolutely no end product.
Sbarra- For me I just don’t know if he’s got the talent to make up for his total lack of physicality.
Yes Yeboah is rawer than raw but at least he’s got pace, an attribute that’s totally lacking in the side, thought he did okay against the Man U kids.Thing is you look at him compared to Hakeeb last season and he’s a million miles off but so is everyone else.
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Giving him the benefit of doubt, thought he might be a slow burner. His goal on Tuesday ought to have lifted his confidence but yesterday was the first time I've seen him close up on our side of the pitch, and he looked petrified.
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Agree not good enough. Doesn’t have the ability when to run, when to stop, when to pass. Constantly runs into dead ends. Considering Molyneux and Gibson like to get it onto their stronger foot and get a shot or a cross off, he goes the other way onto his weaker foot. Strange.
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A lad I work with who is a Bristol City season ticket holder was absolutely gutted he had gone out on loan as he said he made an impact in the games he played and should be part of the first team squad.
Another one is a Bath City regular and he said he was their best player last season even though he only played half of it.
Clearly not playing the same for Rovers as he did for those two teams.
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He’s only 18 and got subbed on when we were down to 10 men.
I’d be far more concerned the form of our contracted and more senior wingers.
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He’s only 18 and got subbed on when we were down to 10 men.
I’d be far more concerned the form of our contracted and more senior wingers.
My comment wasn't about yesterday, it is the culmination of every time I have seen him play.
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Look at our wingers/AMs though none of them did anything today:
Molyneux- we know he’s got it but absolutely moronic today.
Gibson- started the season well but has proper gone off the boil. Questions about his attitude.
Hurst- always looks like he’s trying but absolutely no end product.
Sbarra- For me I just don’t know if he’s got the talent to make up for his total lack of physicality.
Yes Yeboah is rawer than raw but at least he’s got pace, an attribute that’s totally lacking in the side, thought he did okay against the Man U kids.Thing is you look at him compared to Hakeeb last season and he’s a million miles off but so is everyone else.
Moly - 4 goals 2 assists - having a hard time recently because teams are doubling up on him and in quickly before he can do anything
Gibson - 1 goal 3 assists - there is a player in there and to start with he was getting some very good crosses in the box but no one on the end of them, maybe that has curbed his approach?
Hurst - was the best player through pre-season and then got injured. Not had a run in the team since. Seems to be marmite but I rate the kid highly. Can breeze past ppl carrying the ball like no one else we have in the squad.
Sbarra - Hard to say as only had limited chance to see him. I think yesterday was his first league start (?) and I wouldn't judge any one individual on yesterday's performance.
Yeboah - again limited exposure/playing time but looks all over the place, terrible positioning, can't cross a ball, poor finishing. If pace was the only thing needed then Usain Bolt would've made it pro when he tried.
Hopefully he comes good but I haven't seen a glimpses of anything to convince me of that yet. As OP it feels a bit like Roberts last yr.
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At the present time I would pick him instead of Gibson, who is another Josh Martin/Harry Forrester
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He’s only 18 and got subbed on when we were down to 10 men.
I’d be far more concerned the form of our contracted and more senior wingers.
That's fair comment. He came on unto a bit of a cauldron so, hard for any player to have an impact but, maybe through not preparing him well enough, he didn't seem to know what he should be doing. Definitely a player who needs nurturing but, unfortunately, a team like ours at the mo, there's little patience set aside for nurturing.
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I think yesterday we should cut him some slack, not sure where he was playing at times he looked to be playing RWB, then when Anderson went off he looked like he was Right side of a three, both totally unnatural positions for him
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I think it's always good for the 2 wingers to switch flanks from time to time during games, something we never seem to do.
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It’s difficult not to associate these adverse comments, mostly in the early contributions, with the penalty he “gave away”. And even the poster who wrote a summary of several players’ performances omitted to mention that Yeboah has scored 2 good goals in FLT games in a thread which seems designed to be destructive.
I can see flair in him even if it’s not always backed with “intelligence”, but he could mature into the kind player that we had in Emmanuel Thomas or even Adelukan.
As DBZ says, he needs nurturing. As so many youngsters have unsuccessfully passed through the development process in recent years only to be discarded, perhaps there ought to be a bigger quota of resource allocated to those players who are still young enough to get better.
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The problem we were spoilt in the games from February with a total in form Molyneux and Adelakun. We now have three players can play on the left who not at that standard.
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Look at our wingers/AMs though none of them did anything today:
Molyneux- we know he’s got it but absolutely moronic today.
Gibson- started the season well but has proper gone off the boil. Questions about his attitude.
Hurst- always looks like he’s trying but absolutely no end product.
Sbarra- For me I just don’t know if he’s got the talent to make up for his total lack of physicality.
Yes Yeboah is rawer than raw but at least he’s got pace, an attribute that’s totally lacking in the side, thought he did okay against the Man U kids.Thing is you look at him compared to Hakeeb last season and he’s a million miles off but so is everyone else.
Moly - 4 goals 2 assists - having a hard time recently because teams are doubling up on him and in quickly before he can do anything
Gibson - 1 goal 3 assists - there is a player in there and to start with he was getting some very good crosses in the box but no one on the end of them, maybe that has curbed his approach?
Hurst - was the best player through pre-season and then got injured. Not had a run in the team since. Seems to be marmite but I rate the kid highly. Can breeze past ppl carrying the ball like no one else we have in the squad.
Sbarra - Hard to say as only had limited chance to see him. I think yesterday was his first league start (?) and I wouldn't judge any one individual on yesterday's performance.
Yeboah - again limited exposure/playing time but looks all over the place, terrible positioning, can't cross a ball, poor finishing. If pace was the only thing needed then Usain Bolt would've made it pro when he tried.
Hopefully he comes good but I haven't seen a glimpses of anything to convince me of that yet. As OP it feels a bit like Roberts last yr.
Oh No!
The dreaded phrase ‘There is a player in there’ returns, often used in our horrific recent 3 season decline.
Perfect example being for TLO….Aiden Barlow, ‘There is a player in there’
Which I generally take to mean, he looks like a footballer, runs around like a footballer, is actually on a football pitch, however displays footballing ability to an excruciating low level on a regular basis.
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He’s only 18 and got subbed on when we were down to 10 men.
I’d be far more concerned the form of our contracted and more senior wingers.
My comment wasn't about yesterday, it is the culmination of every time I have seen him play.
Well he was also brought on when we were down to 10 against MK. In that game he was out of position again, playing at wing back.
McCann said when we signed him that he can play on either wing or as a centre forward.
The two trophy games that he started and scored in (while playing in his natural position) are probably a fairer reflection of his ability. Did you watch them?
I’d like to see him playing off one of Sharp or Ironside in a front 2 making runs in behind.
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He’s only 18 and got subbed on when we were down to 10 men.
I’d be far more concerned the form of our contracted and more senior wingers.
My comment wasn't about yesterday, it is the culmination of every time I have seen him play.
Well he was also brought on when we were down to 10 against MK. In that game he was out of position again, playing at wing back.
McCann said when we signed him that he can play on either wing or as a centre forward.
The two trophy games that he started and scored in (while playing in his natural position) are probably a fairer reflection of his ability. Did you watch them?
I’d like to see him playing off one of Sharp or Ironside in a front 2 making runs in behind.
Yes I did, and I saw nothing to convince me he is good enough so far, as per OP.
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We have the template that makes a very good Div 4 side.
Quality of TLT, Craig, Adelukan.
All in key areas to complement what we have.
How good is it to have worked out exactly what is required.
We all know we can’t have the 3 mentioned above, however to win the league that’s the quality required.
And very simply we’ve not matched that, in fact nowhere near.
As mentioned in other posts, we are looking at 2 players to deliver everything up top, not possible without a third quality forward and someone in midfield that actually looks like he wants to win a match.
Then we have the keeper quality, Chesie put in a beautiful cross, and goal!, we did the same and somehow the keeper saved it, TLT used to do that…a save in the ‘how on earth did he save that’ category. We now have any reasonable attempt on goal finding it’s destination.
We are still 3 short, and that’s just promotion never mind winning the league.
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My opinion on Yeboah is, he isn’t a winger, for me he’s better running onto the ball as a striker
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Shite. Send him back in January please.
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Starting Sbarra and Yeboah wide over Hurst and Gibson was one of the worst tactical calls of the 21st century.
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Shite. Send him back in January please.
Come on, J. Don't hold back.
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Starting Sbarra and Yeboah wide over Hurst and Gibson was one of the worst tactical calls of the 21st century.
Not sure it was
Terrible conditions, on a bit of a poor run, Gibson and hurst struggling last few weeks,
I thought they both did well in a performance that was never going to be anything special in those conditions
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Starting Sbarra and Yeboah wide over Hurst and Gibson was one of the worst tactical calls of the 21st century.
It was a very strange one.
That said, after a very poor first half, I thought Yeboah played well, 2nd half.
But let's be reight. Gibson even out of form is a far better choice.
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Gibson had his best game in those 20 mins since Accrington
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Starting Sbarra and Yeboah wide over Hurst and Gibson was one of the worst tactical calls of the 21st century.
And the award for hyperbole for October 2024 goes to...
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Maybe its a boot up the bum Gibson needs. If you dont perform you wont play...he looked good last night when he came on.
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Maybe its a boot up the bum Gibson needs. If you dont perform you wont play...he looked good last night when he came on.
It's because we were level and then winning. Gibson's challenge is to stay positive when the chips are down. When we're behind, his head drops, he loses his edge and that drives a downward spiral of his mood and, in turn, his performance. MK was the epitome of this.
Plus he needs to learn that the solution to every issue is not a flamboyant flick, a dribble through the whole of the opposition or a worldy pass. Sometimes, it's about the basics.
First few games of the season when we were winning, he looked very decent.
At the moment, for me, show pony. Ability yes, but mindset all over the place.
As for Yeboah, I know he's young, but not for me. No anticipation of where the ball may go, always a standing start, crossing was awful (again) last night, runs down dead ends. No way ready for Championship, he's not ready for League Two!
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Never seen a professional player attempt to control a ball with his knees until last night (Yeboah that is)
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Having invested in a long contract (2 years?) in Hurst and knowing what his potential is, it may be unfair to put him on the bench because when he comes on he plays as though he’s under pressure to prove himself. That doesn’t suit his game.
Sbarra is literally a lightweight and seems to get outmuscled which weakens his ability to stay on or challenge for the ball, so perhaps he is better coming off the bench when the opposition are tiring.
It really does seem doubtful that Hurst will re-ignite his skill and confidence unless he get a bit more game time.
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Not for me, he was insistent in the first half of just passing the ball back instead of trying to be a winger and run down the line?
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Not sure whats happened to Hurst, playing in pre season like a man possessed, not took it into the season at all
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Not for me, he was insistent in the first half of just passing the ball back instead of trying to be a winger and run down the line?
I can agree to a certain aspect but who crossed the ball when Billy Sharp hit the cross bar answer Sbarra.
None of the three other attacking midfielders in Yeboah Hurst or Gibson beat their man and put in a cross.
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Not sure whats happened to Hurst, playing in pre season like a man possessed, not took it into the season at all
Another player that is one bad pass away from having zero confidence. Great run for the goal last night though. At that point nothing was happening and it had gone stale.
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Not for me, he was insistent in the first half of just passing the ball back instead of trying to be a winger and run down the line?
To be fair I thought that, didn't look to be playing a wide role at all, but then Grant suggested in his post-match interview he had asked him to play more central rather than out wide.
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Not for me, he was insistent in the first half of just passing the ball back instead of trying to be a winger and run down the line?
To be fair I thought that, didn't look to be playing a wide role at all, but then Grant suggested in his post-match interview he had asked him to play more central rather than out wide.
Thought the same. I think he was a weak link. He didn't try to get past his man. As a wide man, you have to keep your marker guessing so even if you don't succeed, first time, keep that element of suprise. He was too safe, checking back all the time.
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Not for me, he was insistent in the first half of just passing the ball back instead of trying to be a winger and run down the line?
I can agree to a certain aspect but who crossed the ball when Billy Sharp hit the cross bar answer Sbarra.
None of the three other attacking midfielders in Yeboah Hurst or Gibson beat their man and put in a cross.
Wasn't that Fleming?
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Not for me, he was insistent in the first half of just passing the ball back instead of trying to be a winger and run down the line?
I can agree to a certain aspect but who crossed the ball when Billy Sharp hit the cross bar answer Sbarra.
None of the three other attacking midfielders in Yeboah Hurst or Gibson beat their man and put in a cross.
Wasn't that Fleming?
yes I’ve just checked
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Caveat first for all the knuckleheads who live life in entirely binary, black and white vision. McCann is a great manager and will highly likely get us up.
But. He talks about players being brave. I know sometimes you have to pick sides to cancel other sides, etc. His selections sometimes could do with being more brave. Hurst played in the 10 pre-season but not a sniff once season starts. Likewise last night not really playing with both wingers. He was very brave end last season with really aggressive selections. He sometimes could do with some more of that.
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Having invested in a long contract (2 years?) in Hurst and knowing what his potential is, it may be unfair to put him on the bench because when he comes on he plays as though he’s under pressure to prove himself. That doesn’t suit his game.
Sbarra is literally a lightweight and seems to get outmuscled which weakens his ability to stay on or challenge for the ball, so perhaps he is better coming off the bench when the opposition are tiring.
It really does seem doubtful that Hurst will re-ignite his skill and confidence unless he get a bit more game time.
The way you have described Sbarra directly applies to Hurst
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Another poor showing yesterday. Tripping over his own legs, 9 times out of 10 can't get the ball under control and when he does he was just running into players, not even a challenge for them to take the ball off him.
Got to go back in Jan and create a space to bring in someone different.
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Get rid in Jan, and keep him off the pitch until then. Shockingly bad player.
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He shouldn’t be making the matchday squad at all, feels like a loan signing from the Blunt era.
Feel like the only thing he would bring eventually is to fall over himself in the box and some unsighted official to point to the spot!
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Hate to criticise players especially young ones, but he’s clearly not good enough. Definitely needs sending back in January.
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Bet he's great in training though.....
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I'm not suggesting any similarity at all, but Peter Kitchen was really rubbish in his first 12-18 months. Yeboah may be rubbish, or, it's possible we should never have taken him to 'bring him on'.
BobG
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Probably needed a NL loan playing every week. He's barely getting a kick and it can't be easy to make much impact in the short cameos he's getting. Especially being so young and potentially a level above his capability. Sure GM will have his January replacement in his mind already.
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Young lad not getting game time expected to come on and change a game when Molyneux Gibson and Hurst have failed to score. Gibson was unlucky. But it’s a trend at home. Yes he’s not shown the talents he must have but is playing wide his preferred position at U 21 he played more down the middle.
So let’s not throw him under the bus and if our forward attacking players continue to fail at home then there’s more than Yeboah wants changing in January.