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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: keyser_soze on October 01, 2024, 06:41:36 pm
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Did I miss the news on Anderson’s appeal?
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Failed evidently given he’s not in the squad tonight.
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Yep just spotted that
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Appealing against sticking the nut into someone feels frivolous.
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The way he ripped into 4th official I would expect a longer ban
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Unlikely, but theoretically possible his red was downgraded to yellow, but he was given a second yellow for actions on leaving the pitch, meaning a one game ban. If seeing the video encouraged to us to appeal maybe it wasn't clear cut? I am expecting heavy bacon showers from all those flying pigs :lol:
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If the club are appealing Anderson’s red card then you would think he should be ok to play tonight pending the outcome.
By not playing tonight he has effectively served a one match ban.
Does anyone know what the ruling is on this or has the appeal already happened and failed.
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3 matches according to sky
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But has the appeal hearing taken place?
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Blessing in disguise
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But has the appeal hearing taken place?
Yes it did and we lost it so he’s out for another two games
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But has the appeal hearing taken place?
Yes it did and we lost it so he’s out for another two games
I know that the straight red is a three game ban but I hadn’t seen anywhere a report that we had lost the appeal.
Thanks for confirming that Steve.
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Appealing that was stupid. I was watching directly what happened and Anderson clearly jerked his head at the defender as they were pressing foreheads together. Not dangerous or violent but you always get a red card for that these days.
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But has the appeal hearing taken place?
Yes it did and we lost it so he’s out for another two games
I thought there was some kind of rule if the appeal was unsuccessful they added another one on?
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But has the appeal hearing taken place?
Yes it did and we lost it so he’s out for another two games
I thought there was some kind of rule if the appeal was unsuccessful they added another one on?
Only if it's deemed a frivolous appeal.
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Appealing that was stupid. I was watching directly what happened and Anderson clearly jerked his head at the defender as they were pressing foreheads together. Not dangerous or violent but you always get a red card for that these days.
Except of course their bloke didn't even get a Yellow
4th Official must not have been watching the play to have spotted the 2 players " at it"
Anderson is alleged to have told the 4th Official " he nutted me , I didn't nutt him" , or words to that effect. I saw the reaction of Tom to the 4th Official but couldn't hear what was said
However someone sitting much much closer told me roughly what was said
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Appealing that was stupid. I was watching directly what happened and Anderson clearly jerked his head at the defender as they were pressing foreheads together. Not dangerous or violent but you always get a red card for that these days.
Except of course their bloke didn't even get a Yellow
4th Official must not have been watching the play to have spotted the 2 players " at it"
Anderson is alleged to have told the 4th Official " he nutted me , I didn't nutt him" , or words to that effect. I saw the reaction of Tom to the 4th Official but couldn't hear what was said
However someone sitting much much closer told me roughly what was said
I was saying at the game tonight, it takes two players to press their heads together so how come the Chesterfield player didn’t get a yellow card as well.
Anyway, it can’t have been stupid to make the appeal as there was no extension to the ban as it wasn’t deemed to be frivolous.
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Appealing that was stupid. I was watching directly what happened and Anderson clearly jerked his head at the defender as they were pressing foreheads together. Not dangerous or violent but you always get a red card for that these days.
Except of course their bloke didn't even get a Yellow
4th Official must not have been watching the play to have spotted the 2 players " at it"
Anderson is alleged to have told the 4th Official " he nutted me , I didn't nutt him" , or words to that effect. I saw the reaction of Tom to the 4th Official but couldn't hear what was said
However someone sitting much much closer told me roughly what was said
Their player didn't do anything. They both pushed foreheads together, which isn't an issue. Then Anderson jerked his head at the Chesterfield player.
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From the official site
Tom Anderson has been issued with further Football Association charges after it was alleged he acted in an improper manner towards a match official and the fourth official following his red card against Chesterfield on Saturday. Tom has until Thursday to respond.
He could be out longer??
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Unlikely, but theoretically possible his red was downgraded to yellow, but he was given a second yellow for actions on leaving the pitch, meaning a one game ban. If seeing the video encouraged to us to appeal maybe it wasn't clear cut? I am expecting heavy bacon showers from all those flying pigs :lol:
The famous porcine aviator is in the air again
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From the official site
Tom Anderson has been issued with further Football Association charges after it was alleged he acted in an improper manner towards a match official and the fourth official following his red card against Chesterfield on Saturday. Tom has until Thursday to respond.
He could be out longer??
He really went for the fourth on his way off - Sterry and Cliff had to wrestle him down the tunnel - I genuinely thought he might slot him he was that mad! I think he might be in bother if the fourth has reported him.
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Said that on Saturday that it will be 3 games plus
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Well, it’s time Joe and Jay got the chance to show what they can do.
Despite not having to do much last night, they both did well and won a clean sheet.
Come on boys same again (baring one rush of blood) at Grimsby please.
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From the official site
Tom Anderson has been issued with further Football Association charges after it was alleged he acted in an improper manner towards a match official and the fourth official following his red card against Chesterfield on Saturday. Tom has until Thursday to respond.
He could be out longer??
He really went for the fourth on his way off - Sterry and Cliff had to wrestle him down the tunnel - I genuinely thought he might slot him he was that mad! I think he might be in bother if the fourth has reported him.
I wonder what the fourth official said to Tom to make him so angry?
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From the official site
Tom Anderson has been issued with further Football Association charges after it was alleged he acted in an improper manner towards a match official and the fourth official following his red card against Chesterfield on Saturday. Tom has until Thursday to respond.
He could be out longer??
He really went for the fourth on his way off - Sterry and Cliff had to wrestle him down the tunnel - I genuinely thought he might slot him he was that mad! I think he might be in bother if the fourth has reported him.
I wonder what the fourth official said to Tom to make him so angry?
I think he thought the fourth was the person to tell the ref to send him off - I'm not sure who directed the ref as play went on 30 seconds before ref went back to give the red.
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Well, it’s time Joe and Jay got the chance to show what they can do.
Despite not having to do much last night, they both did well and won a clean sheet.
Come on boys same again (baring one rush of blood) at Grimsby please.
Good defenders don’t give themselves much to do.
“If I have to make a tackle, I have already made a mistake” - Maldini.
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Well, it’s time Joe and Jay got the chance to show what they can do.
Despite not having to do much last night, they both did well and won a clean sheet.
Come on boys same again (baring one rush of blood) at Grimsby please.
Good defenders don’t give themselves much to do.
“If I have to make a tackle, I have already made a mistake” - Maldini.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
The first sentence is nonsense.
Saw Maldini play and clearly he was a much better defender than lyricist.
Bobby Moore’s tackle on Pele was an iconic piece of defensive play. Didn’t see any mistake from Moore just a fabulously timed tackle, that’s what great defenders do against opponents who want to score goals.
And just to bring it down to Div 4 level, v Barrow, McGrath’s very late sliding tackle whereby he also won a throw in and celebrated like he’d scored a goal, there was no previous mistake, just a perfectly timed tackle when the opponent had possession.
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The best sliding tackler I ever saw was Stuart Robertson in the 1969 title winning side.
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Not forgetting the right back Kelly of the same era. He was brilliant at sliding in.
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Did we ever hear anything further on the additional charges
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Still down on the Fa suspended players list as a 3 game ban.
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https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2024/october/09/anderson-receives-additional-three-match-ban/
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Crikey, that seems excessive. Obvs extended due to the words exchanged with the fourth official.
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It's a different charge but yes obviously something to do with th 4th officials amazing eyesight
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3 more games! Ouch. I could see from the other side of the pitch that he properly went for him though and had to be held back.
Whats the longest we've seen a player banned for? I remember David Roche getting red cards in successive games cos the ban didn't kick in straight away. Sure it was like an 8 match ban or something. Seemed like he was gone for months!
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Ridiculous!
What about the officials getting 6 game bans for crimes against officiating?
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Ridiculous!
What about the officials getting 6 game bans for crimes against officiating?
If only Alan. As has been said many times before, the assessors reports look after their own kind.
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You can bite someone or say something racist and get a 8 match ban, Tom goes forehead to forehead with their soft clown defender and gets 6! Seems excessive, although he did give the fourth a piece of his mind!!
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Tom should know better.
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Tom should know better.
His behaviour after the red was very unproffessional & you're right he should know better.
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Hopefully Olowu is fit and can make the shirt his
Nothing against Tom he is back to being a very good player again
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C’mon, another 3 match ban it’s way over the top. Did he man handle an official? No. He vented his spleen wow, that must really have given the 4th official post traumatic syndrome.
Those officials that day ‘lost the plot’. I would love to see the assessors report but that’s not going to happen because I’m just a supporter.
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Tom should know better.
His behaviour after the red was very unproffessional & you're right he should know better.
Absolutely, there’s a line and he crossed it. He’s at fault here, not the officials, and he’s been punished accordingly.
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Yes Anderson lost his head but 6 games for essentially the same incident seems ridiculously excessive. It's only 2 games less than the Preston player who bit somebody.
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You can bite someone or say something racist and get a 8 match ban, Tom goes forehead to forehead with their soft clown defender and gets 6! Seems excessive, although he did give the fourth a piece of his mind!!
no he got 3 for that and another 3 for his words afterwards
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Did I miss the news on Anderson’s appeal?
6 match plus £3k fine
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3 more games! Ouch. I could see from the other side of the pitch that he properly went for him though and had to be held back.
Whats the longest we've seen a player banned for? I remember David Roche getting red cards in successive games cos the ban didn't kick in straight away. Sure it was like an 8 match ban or something. Seemed like he was gone for months!
Didn’t Tony Coleman get something like a three month ban for punching referee Mr Pickles.
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Who will pay the fine? The club or Anderson?
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Who will pay the fine? The club or Anderson?
Who do you think should pay?
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Did I miss the news on Anderson’s appeal?
6 match plus £3k fine
Not strictly true 3 matches for the red and a further charge of disrepute resulting in a further 3 and 3k fine for having a pop at the 4th official and his amazing eyesight
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He’s essentially been sent off twice. Once for a headbutt and once for abusing match officials. Could be seen as fair.
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Gaz, you are a man who can usually come up with answers.
Is there any evidence that shows clearly whether Tom did headbutt the Chesterfield player apart from the fourth official allegedly seeing him do it.
All I have seen is the pair of them running out of the box with them both in a “foreheads together” position.
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Yes Anderson lost his head but 6 games for essentially the same incident seems ridiculously excessive. It's only 2 games less than the Preston player who bit somebody.
It's not comparing like for like. If the Preston player appealed, like a prat, he'd too get a longer ban.
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If we the fans could see what a whopper that ref was then the players could surely see it and you’d think they would behave in a way that would give him no excuse or reason to get a card out. Tom (and Mols) should have done better.
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Yes Anderson lost his head but 6 games for essentially the same incident seems ridiculously excessive. It's only 2 games less than the Preston player who bit somebody.
It's not comparing like for like. If the Preston player appealed, like a prat, he'd too get a longer ban.
[/quoteYes Anderson lost his head but 6 games for essentially the same incident seems ridiculously excessive. It's only 2 games less than the Preston player who bit somebody.
It's not comparing like for like. If the Preston player appealed, like a prat, he'd too get a longer ban.
Anderson didn’t get any extra ban for appealing though
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Yes Anderson lost his head but 6 games for essentially the same incident seems ridiculously excessive. It's only 2 games less than the Preston player who bit somebody.
It's not comparing like for like. If the Preston player appealed, like a prat, he'd too get a longer ban.
The additional 3-match ban has nothing to do with the appeal.
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Yes Anderson lost his head but 6 games for essentially the same incident seems ridiculously excessive. It's only 2 games less than the Preston player who bit somebody.
It's not comparing like for like. If the Preston player appealed, like a prat, he'd too get a longer ban.
The additional 3-match ban has nothing to do with the appeal.
Why do you say that Pancho? Not being funny, just asking?
I thought it was an automatic 3 game ban. We appealed and it got an extra 3 games and a 3k fine as per GM interview?
Personally I'm really surprised we appealed. I sit in the west stand hear the tunnel and how Tom went off at the 4th official was shocking and IMO can't argue with the extended ban and the fine.
Senior player like that should be ashamed in himself and taking himself out of the team.
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He got a three match ban for a straight red card for violent conduct.
He then got an additional three match ban for foul and abusive language to the fourth official when he left the field.
As he didn't get a red card for the second incident given he had already been sent off, there was a separate process.
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Anderson looked liked he would have got hold of the forth Official if he had not been held back his head had totally gone at that point
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The extra 3 games are not for the appeal they are as stated above for an additional offence of abusing the 4th official
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The original offence, where as seems customary, the referee’s evidence (presumably based on the report he had from one of his assistants) seems to carry disproportionate weight, was the basis of the red card decision and secured the unfavourable judgment. Going to a hearing opened the way for the second offence of abusive behaviour towards the fourth official to be brought under scrutiny. Did not the club recognise this? Obviously that could not be ignored hence the additional punishment.
It is nevertheless alarming to see such a large fine imposed on top of the very lengthy ban. It is not easy to find information about the level of fines imposed by the FA on individual players, but based on https://refsix.com/news/fine-for-a-red-card-in-the-premier-league#:~:text=Red%20card%20fine,offence%20and%20other%20mitigating%20circumstances., fines of between £2.5k and £12.5k are typical for the PL, so £3k for a L2 player seems disproportionately high. Even if the PL player is “only” on £1m a year that’s £20k a week, so £3k is just a day’s pay whereas for a L2 player it could be a whole week’s wage.
(Incidentally, in researching this I came across https://salarysport.com/football/league-two/highest-paid/ which is a site which purports to inform us of the top paid players in League 2 for “2024”. Its accuracy may be questionable however since it has Adelukan playing for Gillingham where his loan was for 22/23. It does quote its sources which might be described as a collection of best guesses, but nevertheless not entirely dismissible as “Press releases, news & articles, online encyclopedias & databases, industry experts & insiders”.)
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People keep saying that Tom should have “known better” than to aggressively have a go at the fourth official.
To a degree I can agree with that but part of me is asking why he lost his temper as he did.
Most times when a player is sent off he knows he has done wrong and will accept the decision and go quietly.
Without having the benefit of seeing a video clip of what actually happened when Tom and the Chesterfield player were running out of the penalty box I am assuming that Tom thinks that the sending off was wrong.
Also we don’t know what, if anything, was said by the fourth official as Tom left the pitch.
The other thing as well is that as the ball was in play, if Tom did head butt the opponent in the box then Chesterfield should have been awarded a penalty.
I don’t suppose we will ever know what went off as the referees reports are secretly filed away but there is probably more to it than a man who should know better losing his temper.
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I agree drfchound, my blood was boiling just sat watching that incompetent officiating from the side, so it's easy to see how Tom has lost it when he's been sent off for going head to head with their player. A talking to from the ref would have been enough and avoided all this. And £3k will be at least a week of Tom's wages - that's like Debruyne being fined £400k for a red card. It's scandalous.
The alleged headbutt was in their box - Tom was up for a corner, but it's still strange how long play had gone on before ref sent him off.
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I agree drfchound, my blood was boiling just sat watching that incompetent officiating from the side, so it's easy to see how Tom has lost it when he's been sent off for going head to head with their player. A talking to from the ref would have been enough and avoided all this. And £3k will be at least a week of Tom's wages - that's like Debruyne being fined £400k for a red card. It's scandalous.
The alleged headbutt was in their box - Tom was up for a corner, but it's still strange how long play had gone on before ref sent him off.
Yes, I forgot that Tom was up for a corner so that part of my post is wrong.
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He’s essentially been sent off twice. Once for a headbutt and once for abusing match officials. Could be seen as fair.
Only by a blind man on a galloping horse!
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There's no mitigation for Anderson's behaviour towards the official. And whilst it's annoying that we're going to be without a key player for a few weeks, I'm glad of the bigger picture, which is the FA taking a firm stance on abuse of match officials. If you want to stamp out that sort of behaviour then you have to make the fine high, otherwise it's just tokenism.
There's a shortage of match officials in this country as it is, the numbers aren't going to improve if the FA don't start sending out signals that abusing them is not only not ok, but it carries consequences.
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I’m guessing the Fourth Official saw nothing conclusive, only the exaggerated forward punch drunk stumble by their player, I would suggest only people in the South Stand would have had a good view as play had progressed to the halfway line
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I’m guessing the Fourth Official saw nothing conclusive, only the exaggerated forward punch drunk stumble by their player, I would suggest only people in the South Stand would have had a good view as play had progressed to the halfway line
I was in the south stand Filo and didn’t see anything untoward.
I have asked a few times on here if anyone saw what Tom did, not what the official said he did, but no one has come back with anything definite.
No film clips either.
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I was in the south stand and saw nothing although I was following the ball,a lot of the time the 4th official and assistants are told to look out for things As the ball is cleared.
Again with throw ins the ref will tell assistants if their not sure which direction it is then keep there flag down and wait till the ref signals
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I’m guessing the Fourth Official saw nothing conclusive, only the exaggerated forward punch drunk stumble by their player, I would suggest only people in the South Stand would have had a good view as play had progressed to the halfway line
I was in the south stand Filo and didn’t see anything untoward.
I have asked a few times on here if anyone saw what Tom did, not what the official said he did, but no one has come back with anything definite.
No film clips either.
Did you not see Anderson and Dunkley head to head?
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I’m guessing the Fourth Official saw nothing conclusive, only the exaggerated forward punch drunk stumble by their player, I would suggest only people in the South Stand would have had a good view as play had progressed to the halfway line
It was a clear red card offence. The 4th official got it bang on right. The players went forehead to forehead, and Anderson jerked his head at their player. That is always a red card in modern football.
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I’m guessing the Fourth Official saw nothing conclusive, only the exaggerated forward punch drunk stumble by their player, I would suggest only people in the South Stand would have had a good view as play had progressed to the halfway line
It was a clear red card offence. The 4th official got it bang on right. The players went forehead to forehead, and Anderson jerked his head at their player. That is always a red card in modern football.
Did you see it, and if so where in the ground were you?
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I was in the West Stand, directly level with it and had a clear view. I saw Anderson step up towards Dunkley and kept watching it because it looked very likely that something was going to go off. It was a clear red card.
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I was in the West Stand, directly level with it and had a clear view. I saw Anderson step up towards Dunkley and kept watching it because it looked very likely that something was going to go off. It was a clear red card.
You weren’t following play then?
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I was in the West Stand, directly level with it and had a clear view. I saw Anderson step up towards Dunkley and kept watching it because it looked very likely that something was going to go off. It was a clear red card.
You weren’t following play then?
No, like I say, l saw Anderson take a step in towards Dunkley and it set an alarm off in my head. It was obvious something big was going to happen.
When play breaks down at a set piece and the opposition break fast, you expect your defenders to be busting their arse to get back. Anderson wasn't and that is what attracted my attention.
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I’m guessing the Fourth Official saw nothing conclusive, only the exaggerated forward punch drunk stumble by their player, I would suggest only people in the South Stand would have had a good view as play had progressed to the halfway line
I was in the south stand Filo and didn’t see anything untoward.
I have asked a few times on here if anyone saw what Tom did, not what the official said he did, but no one has come back with anything definite.
No film clips either.
Did you not see Anderson and Dunkley head to head?
In real time Gaz, no I didn’t.
I was following the play as the ball was cleared upfield by Chessie.
I knew that there were shinanegans going on (as usual) before the corner was taken but that is all.
On the video of the game it is just possible to see the two players coming out of the box with their heads pushed together but they then go,out of shot so is inconclusive as there doesn’t appear to be any other filmed evidence.
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So Tom gets 3 extra ban for abusing Ref and Fourth official. Yet Gibbs white only gets one for abusing fourth official and Esperito Santos gets 2 bit harsh on Tom those extra 3 really
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I think by default now we have our best 2 centre pairing ! Jay & Joe should make it theirs now.
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So Tom gets 3 extra ban for abusing Ref and Fourth official. Yet Gibbs white only gets one for abusing fourth official and Esperito Santos gets 2 bit harsh on Tom those extra 3 really
I haven't got a lot of sympathy with referees and abuse. They accept it throughout the game with zero respect from the players.
Don't accept it and yellow card offending players every time. If they stick to it and get the backing of the EFL and the referees management it could be stopped within a few weeks.
Forget the Premier lot where the players run the game. Just watch Fernandez at MU. He thinks he is the referee.