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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: StocksArmy on October 19, 2024, 08:09:21 pm
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Yes I am aware that there is already a thread for him but not sure how to find it.
Anyway….. as I am sure most of us are aware, a star has been born. It just seems effortless for him. He just takes the ball off of people it’s really weird to watch how normal it comes to him. He’s always in the right place and everything that comes his way he just deals with it. It’s been a long time since we saw a player destined for bigger things for our club but I would be amazed if he doesn’t at least make the championship. Hopefully it’s with us!
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He’s imperious at times.
Premier bound imo
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As has been mentioned before a touch of Matt Mills about him.
Always looks well up for it.
He’s got a long way to go, but he’s got the ability. Plenty in Wood and Anderson to learn from too.
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I also have compared Jay to Matt Mills. Loves to play the diagonal long ball, wins most of his headers and a threat at set pieces.
One or two gave him some stick last week though following the Crewe goal.
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I also have compared Jay to Matt Mills. Loves to play the diagonal long ball, wins most of his headers and a threat at set pieces.
One or two gave him some stick last week though following the Crewe goal.
Saw that on the lucky pint thread, if you watch the highlights it was harsh on Jay as he was committed to getting a block in , however the Crewe player did well and feigned to shoot
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
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This should be our centre half pairing until we get a big big offer for one or both
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
Joe has really improved his weaknesses but Jay is a few years behind him. Future is bright with our defensive options.
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
Admiring McGrath and praising Olowu are not mutually exclusive opinions to hold.
Personally I don’t think Olowu is ‘head and shoulders above’ Jay but I don’t think we need to assess them against each other in that way.
I think we have two very promising centre backs here, both of whom offer something different but who seem to be complementing each other very well so far.
Jay is still a bit raw and is learning all the time but I agree with the sentiments on this thread - this lad could go far.
We probably started the season expecting to see Woody and Tom as our CB pairing but it’s funny how things work out and at the moment I’m more than happy with the way Jay and Joe are performing.
Credit again to Grant for making sure we have strength in depth in all departments, and long may the J & J pairing flourish.
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
He seemed to turn a corner when we played Wrexham at home last season, he's showed glimpses prior but not had the consistency albeit in some poor periods on the whole as a team which won't have helped.
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
Joe has really improved his weaknesses but Jay is a few years behind him. Future is bright with our defensive options.
add Maxwell to that
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Will be very strange if Anderson or Wood come back in when available. This pardoning is clearly the best for the here and now as well as the room for improvement.
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
Joe has really improved his weaknesses but Jay is a few years behind him. Future is bright with our defensive options.
add Maxwell to that
Maxwell is on a complete different level to anyone else in the squad IMO. Just hope he stays fit.
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
How many years has Joe been in & around the 1st team compared to Jay? That’s perhaps where the praise he gets “…in relation to Olowu.”, might come from?
Either way, we have two good young centre backs (possibly another couple coming on) that we can be thankful are on our books.
I said in an earlier thread that Jay reminds me very much of Matt Mills (without wishing to ‘steal’ anyone’s thunder) & whilst Joe is steady & still ‘coming on’, Jay is above Joe in the pecking order of centre backs & if you can’t see that even at this early stage in their careers then sorry but I don’t rate your judgment of a player.
No offence.
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
Admiring McGrath and praising Olowu are not mutually exclusive opinions to hold.
Personally I don’t think Olowu is ‘head and shoulders above’ Jay but I don’t think we need to assess them against each other in that way.
I think we have two very promising centre backs here, both of whom offer something different but who seem to be complementing each other very well so far.
Jay is still a bit raw and is learning all the time but I agree with the sentiments on this thread - this lad could go far.
We probably started the season expecting to see Woody and Tom as our CB pairing but it’s funny how things work out and at the moment I’m more than happy with the way Jay and Joe are performing.
Credit again to Grant for making sure we have strength in depth in all departments, and long may the J & J pairing flourish.
I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
Olowu is 25 next week,he was nearly 22 when we signed him,Jay is 21 and we could be struggling to keep hold of him be long before he is 25,Olowu has got back to his best and I think we can thank Grant,Cliff and their team for that,no need to compare,thats Grants job when picking the squad,so happy not just to have them both,but to have such a great squad and team spirit seems great,never felt so confident in my bets on us. :thumbsup:
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
I've been less than smitten with Olowu in the past. He had all the physical attributes but he didn't seem to have the sense of a real defender.
2024 though, he's stepped up a level. Been absolutely superb every time he's played. A real diamond.
Together, Olowu and McGrath are some defensive unit.
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Is Jay's name pronounced McGraar or as its spelled, McGRATH?
I've heard it pronounced both ways ont radio and club videos.
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
How many years has Joe been in & around the 1st team compared to Jay? That’s perhaps where the praise he gets “…in relation to Olowu.”, might come from?
Either way, we have two good young centre backs (possibly another couple coming on) that we can be thankful are on our books.
I said in an earlier thread that Jay reminds me very much of Matt Mills (without wishing to ‘steal’ anyone’s thunder) & whilst Joe is steady & still ‘coming on’, Jay is above Joe in the pecking order of centre backs & if you can’t see that even at this early stage in their careers then sorry but I don’t rate your judgment of a player.
No offence.
No offence taken.
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Is Jay's name pronounced McGraar or as its spelled, McGRATH?
I've heard it pronounced both ways ont radio and club videos.
When he played, I thought his dad’s name was pronounced to rhyme with bath.
But I hear McGraar more now for this lad. Maybe it’s because it rhymes with ‘Ooh aah’.
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
Joe has really improved his weaknesses but Jay is a few years behind him. Future is bright with our defensive options.
add Maxwell to that
Absolutely, Nixon too. Williams and Flint breaking through. Don't know where this all leaves Faulkner, this loan spell has been a disaster from what I can work out.
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I’ve only seen the televised games this season so can’t claim to have seen week in week out, but whilst McGrath has been great and has a huge amount of potential I’d say that Olowu has been exceptional and been the better performer of the two for me.
I think with McGrath there are potentially a couple of biases at play - firstly he’s very young so the potential to develop further and play a league or two (or three?) above where we are is easy to imagine. Secondly, he’s one of our own and because of the romantic element of his childhood connections, his dad etc the fans will inevitably be more forgiving and gloss over any shortcomings (not that there have been many of them). Conversely with Olowu there could be a different type of bias at play based on the fact that he’s played a lot/been around the squad when we’ve been absolutely terrible and he struggles to shake off that association.
It’s great to be talking about which centre back is playing better, though, as opposed to how poor the defence is! I think they’re playing very well together and would like to see them continue even when Anderson and/or Wood are back.
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
Joe has really improved his weaknesses but Jay is a few years behind him. Future is bright with our defensive options.
add Maxwell to that
Absolutely, Nixon too. Williams and Flint breaking through. Don't know where this all leaves Faulkner, this loan spell has been a disaster from what I can work out.
Anyone have any insight into what’s going on with Faulkner? He was injured but then back on the bench for a few games, then not I’m the squad last time out. How long is his contract? He’s probably 6th choice CB now, possibly even 7th as Bailey would possibly play ahead of him.
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This should be our centre half pairing until we get a big big offer for one or both
My Seat buddy is much more tactically aware than I am. He also sees things I don't even think of ....
... and he has been praising McGrath for a long time and he said weeks ago he and Olowu should be our CB pairing going forward
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I’ve only seen the televised games this season so can’t claim to have seen week in week out, but whilst McGrath has been great and has a huge amount of potential I’d say that Olowu has been exceptional and been the better performer of the two for me.
I think with McGrath there are potentially a couple of biases at play - firstly he’s very young so the potential to develop further and play a league or two (or three?) above where we are is easy to imagine. Secondly, he’s one of our own and because of the romantic element of his childhood connections, his dad etc the fans will inevitably be more forgiving and gloss over any shortcomings (not that there have been many of them). Conversely with Olowu there could be a different type of bias at play based on the fact that he’s played a lot/been around the squad when we’ve been absolutely terrible and he struggles to shake off that association.
It’s great to be talking about which centre back is playing better, though, as opposed to how poor the defence is! I think they’re playing very well together and would like to see them continue even when Anderson and/or Wood are back.
With all due respect, if you’ve only ever seen televised games you can’t really appreciate the two’s all round games, you only see them when they’re on the ball or defending set pieces.
The positions they take up off the ball & the way they marshall players around them & cover for other defenders moving forward are not seen by tv viewing.
Jay has far more to his game in that respect plus (which of course you will see on tv) he’s far more comfortable on the ball than Joe as you can see when he carries the ball into & beyond the midfield leaving opposing players in his wake with a burst of pace & his natural strength.
However Joe has come on leaps & bounds this season. Perhaps we have a young pairing here who can go on to be the envy of many a side in the division above next season & the division above that the season after.
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Big big test next Saturday against an in form experienced bully
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I’ve only seen the televised games this season so can’t claim to have seen week in week out, but whilst McGrath has been great and has a huge amount of potential I’d say that Olowu has been exceptional and been the better performer of the two for me.
I think with McGrath there are potentially a couple of biases at play - firstly he’s very young so the potential to develop further and play a league or two (or three?) above where we are is easy to imagine. Secondly, he’s one of our own and because of the romantic element of his childhood connections, his dad etc the fans will inevitably be more forgiving and gloss over any shortcomings (not that there have been many of them). Conversely with Olowu there could be a different type of bias at play based on the fact that he’s played a lot/been around the squad when we’ve been absolutely terrible and he struggles to shake off that association.
It’s great to be talking about which centre back is playing better, though, as opposed to how poor the defence is! I think they’re playing very well together and would like to see them continue even when Anderson and/or Wood are back.
With all due respect, if you’ve only ever seen televised games you can’t really appreciate the two’s all round games, you only see them when they’re on the ball or defending set pieces.
The positions they take up off the ball & the way they marshall players around them & cover for other defenders moving forward are not seen by tv viewing.
Jay has far more to his game in that respect plus (which of course you will see on tv) he’s far more comfortable on the ball than Joe as you can see when he carries the ball into & beyond the midfield leaving opposing players in his wake with a burst of pace & his natural strength.
However Joe has come on leaps & bounds this season. Perhaps we have a young pairing here who can go on to be the envy of many a side in the division above next season & the division above that the season after.
Olowu also has the ability, and uses it, to carry the ball forward when an opportunity arises.
They are both very good at it.
I also hear Olowu barking out instructions which is never a bad thing.
They are both very good.
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I won’t praise Olowu too much just out of fear I will jinx him back into the player he was for the main part of last season. Been solid so far. Must admit I was one of the ones praying McCann would try to offload him but, happy I am being proven wrong.
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What we do have is two young, excellent, & constantly improving centre halves, both have different attributes, don't need to compare them in my opinion.
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Apart from his defensive duties, Olowu was unlucky not to bag a brace yesterday. That instinctive "hook shot" he did in the first half was very unlucky not to go in.
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I won’t praise Olowu too much just out of fear I will jinx him back into the player he was for the main part of last season. Been solid so far. Must admit I was one of the ones praying McCann would try to offload him but, happy I am being proven wrong.
Me too.
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Talking about pronouncing names, what is the correct way of saying Sbarra? Silent "b", silent "S", "Surbarra"? I really haven't a clue.
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Talking about pronouncing names, what is the correct way of saying Sbarra? Silent "b", silent "S", "Surbarra"? I really haven't a clue.
S-Bar-A
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I’ve only seen the televised games this season so can’t claim to have seen week in week out, but whilst McGrath has been great and has a huge amount of potential I’d say that Olowu has been exceptional and been the better performer of the two for me.
I think with McGrath there are potentially a couple of biases at play - firstly he’s very young so the potential to develop further and play a league or two (or three?) above where we are is easy to imagine. Secondly, he’s one of our own and because of the romantic element of his childhood connections, his dad etc the fans will inevitably be more forgiving and gloss over any shortcomings (not that there have been many of them). Conversely with Olowu there could be a different type of bias at play based on the fact that he’s played a lot/been around the squad when we’ve been absolutely terrible and he struggles to shake off that association.
It’s great to be talking about which centre back is playing better, though, as opposed to how poor the defence is! I think they’re playing very well together and would like to see them continue even when Anderson and/or Wood are back.
With all due respect, if you’ve only ever seen televised games you can’t really appreciate the two’s all round games, you only see them when they’re on the ball or defending set pieces.
The positions they take up off the ball & the way they marshall players around them & cover for other defenders moving forward are not seen by tv viewing.
Jay has far more to his game in that respect plus (which of course you will see on tv) he’s far more comfortable on the ball than Joe as you can see when he carries the ball into & beyond the midfield leaving opposing players in his wake with a burst of pace & his natural strength.
However Joe has come on leaps & bounds this season. Perhaps we have a young pairing here who can go on to be the envy of many a side in the division above next season & the division above that the season after.
A very good post and reply
However I do think the last comment was written slightly under the influence of optimism
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It's the hope that kills us Dutch! In fairness though the nucleus of the squad is a good age , think our midfield needs a bit of work but if we improve season upon season who knows. Enda Stevens is a player who went on to bigger & better things quite surprisingly, George Friend is another who wasn't rated by a lot of our supporters & Brian Deane is another that springs to mind, you just never know sometimes.
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He’s imperious at times.
Premier bound imo
With us I hope
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I honestly don’t get how much praise he gets in relation to Olowu. Perhaps I’m the only one that thinks it but Joe is head and shoulders above him as a defender.
Joe has really improved his weaknesses but Jay is a few years behind him. Future is bright with our defensive options.
add Maxwell to that
Absolutely, Nixon too. Williams and Flint breaking through. Don't know where this all leaves Faulkner, this loan spell has been a disaster from what I can work out.
Anyone have any insight into what’s going on with Faulkner? He was injured but then back on the bench for a few games, then not I’m the squad last time out. How long is his contract? He’s probably 6th choice CB now, possibly even 7th as Bailey would possibly play ahead of him.
Dundalk have had a lot of issues. Bobby played well in his first few matches then had a few games out and like you say not in squad after that. Seems the ownership problems that nearly resulted in them going out of business has adversely affected the chances for their loan players
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Talking about pronouncing names, what is the correct way of saying Sbarra? Silent "b", silent "S", "Surbarra"? I really haven't a clue.
S-Bar-A
Thanks, Nudga.
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The best thing you can say about the pairing of McGrath and Olowu is that they are complementing each other beautifully.
As in any line of work competition will drive you on and it can be seen in these two, McGrath has come on massively since his first appearance, in a relatively short period of time. Olowu has been with us for a few years now and is finally starting to show some of the potential we all thought we saw him him right from the off.
To have a partnership of two players like these is beneficial for us, one has pace to cover for any shortfalls in positioning the other has strength and a desire to win every confrontation , it works well, the left and right pegs also comes in really useful.
If we maintain our current trajectory then they as well as the club will do very well out of this.
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The best thing you can say about the pairing of McGrath and Olowu is that they are complementing each other beautifully.
As in any line of work competition will drive you on and it can be seen in these two, McGrath has come on massively since his first appearance, in a relatively short period of time. Olowu has been with us for a few years now and is finally starting to show some of the potential we all thought we saw him him right from the off.
To have a partnership of two players like these is beneficial for us, one has pace to cover for any shortfalls in positioning the other has strength and a desire to win every confrontation , it works well, the left and right pegs also comes in really useful.
If we maintain our current trajectory then they as well as the club will do very well out of this.
Agree we’ve got two good young centre halves, three with Bailey when required and two experienced centre halves to come back, it bodes well! A year ago we were clutching at straws.
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Is Jay's name pronounced McGraar or as its spelled, McGRATH?
I've heard it pronounced both ways ont radio and club videos.
When he played, I thought his dad’s name was pronounced to rhyme with bath.
But I hear McGraar more now for this lad. Maybe it’s because it rhymes with ‘Ooh aah’.
Maybe it's the Irish accent that makes it pronounce Mcgraar?
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I have heard both variations of Jays surname over the years but to me it is McGrath.
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Is Joe out of contract next year?
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I have heard both variations of Jays surname over the years but to me it is McGrath.
So which one is it then Hound, McGrath or McGrath?
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Is Joe out of contract next year?
I think he is, and if so offering him a 3 year contract should be our next piece of business.
He looks like the complete CB now and has done pretty much all year. He's now our best player in that position in my opinion.
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Is Joe out of contract next year?
I think he is, and if so offering him a 3 year contract should be our next piece of business.
He looks like the complete CB now and has done pretty much all year. He's now our best player in that position in my opinion.
Easy tiger.
Two years with an option of a third would be a sound financial option. Let’s offer that to Joe & see how he progresses in Lg1 next season. Looking further ahead another promotion on the back of this one (please don’t tell me there are any doubters!) Grant would be looking more closely at who to retain.
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I have heard both variations of Jays surname over the years but to me it is McGrath.
So which one is it then Hound, McGrath or McGrath?
Earlier in the thread people were asking if it is McGraaar or McGrath.
If I thought it was the former I would have written McGraaar.
Simples really.
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I have heard both variations of Jays surname over the years but to me it is McGrath.
So which one is it then Hound, McGrath or McGrath?
Earlier in the thread people were asking if it is McGraaar or McGrath.
If I thought it was the former I would have written McGraaar.
Simples really.
I know mate, maybe I should have put a smiley winky face.
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I have heard both variations of Jays surname over the years but to me it is McGrath.
So which one is it then Hound, McGrath or McGrath?
Earlier in the thread people were asking if it is McGraaar or McGrath.
If I thought it was the former I would have written McGraaar.
Simples really.
I know mate, maybe I should have put a smiley winky face.
Ha, I laughed at your response.
Maybe I should have made my first post a bit clearer. :thumbsup:
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I’ve only seen the televised games this season so can’t claim to have seen week in week out, but whilst McGrath has been great and has a huge amount of potential I’d say that Olowu has been exceptional and been the better performer of the two for me.
I think with McGrath there are potentially a couple of biases at play - firstly he’s very young so the potential to develop further and play a league or two (or three?) above where we are is easy to imagine. Secondly, he’s one of our own and because of the romantic element of his childhood connections, his dad etc the fans will inevitably be more forgiving and gloss over any shortcomings (not that there have been many of them). Conversely with Olowu there could be a different type of bias at play based on the fact that he’s played a lot/been around the squad when we’ve been absolutely terrible and he struggles to shake off that association.
It’s great to be talking about which centre back is playing better, though, as opposed to how poor the defence is! I think they’re playing very well together and would like to see them continue even when Anderson and/or Wood are back.
I think another bias when it comes to those rating McGrath over Olowu is the fact that Jay loves a ‘proper tackle’, because we all do don’t we? He has made a few mistakes but he is still developing. If they had been Joe they’d have got more attention.
Joe’s contribution is a bit more subtle. His pace means that he often doesn’t even need to make a tackle as he is there first. That also allows the entire team to push higher up the pitch which enables us to be a lot more dominant without worrying about a simple ball over the top of our defence (see Harrogate this season).
McGrath has come on leaps and bounds this season. He is looking like a great player and also a leader at such a young age - something we need with Wood now looking like he won’t get back in the team. Jay could save us a lot of money given that he’s left-footed, as these centre backs are hard to come by.
Olowu’s improvement came last season. He should never have been out of the team again after that imperious Wrexham performance. I’ve criticised him in the past for having a lack of aggression and being easily bullied in the air but he has added that to his locker as well now. He’s a great guy as well.
I should also note that Sharman-Lowe’s reading of the game and aptitude coming off his line to sweep up really helps Joe and Jay and the team as a whole.
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Jay does himself a big favour as well by coming to the south stand before home games and tapping the badge on his shirt with his hand.
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Great spot that hound, yes he does.
Also at away games as he’s the first to acknowledge the fans when coming out of the tunnel. A lad with a bright future
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One of our two CHs uses his neck muscles when heading the other keeps them taut adding no extra power nor reach ..watch them closely .
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Is Joe out of contract next year?
I think he is, and if so offering him a 3 year contract should be our next piece of business.
He looks like the complete CB now and has done pretty much all year. He's now our best player in that position in my opinion.
Easy tiger.
Two years with an option of a third would be a sound financial option. Let’s offer that to Joe & see how he progresses in Lg1 next season. Looking further ahead another promotion on the back of this one (please don’t tell me there are any doubters!) Grant would be looking more closely at who to retain.
Easy tiger, we aren't promoted just yet...
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Is Joe out of contract next year?
Anderson, Olowu, Wood and Faulkner are all out of contract this coming summer.
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Is Jay's name pronounced McGraar or as its spelled, McGRATH?
I've heard it pronounced both ways ont radio and club videos.
When he played, I thought his dad’s name was pronounced to rhyme with bath.
But I hear McGraar more now for this lad. Maybe it’s because it rhymes with ‘Ooh aah’.
Maybe it's the Irish accent that makes it pronounce Mcgraar?
My theory is as follows: McGrath is a fairly common Irish surname. Irish accents can convert “three” to “tree”, so at the end of a word the final “th” is reduced to “t”. Spoken softly with an Irish accent it becomes lost.
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Is Jay's name pronounced McGraar or as its spelled, McGRATH?
I've heard it pronounced both ways ont radio and club videos.
When he played, I thought his dad’s name was pronounced to rhyme with bath.
But I hear McGraar more now for this lad. Maybe it’s because it rhymes with ‘Ooh aah’.
Maybe it's the Irish accent that makes it pronounce Mcgraar?
My theory is as follows: McGrath is a fairly common Irish surname. Irish accents can convert “three” to “tree”, so at the end of a word the final “th” is reduced to “t”. Spoken softly with an Irish accent it becomes lost.
THAT is a very good theory and probably the explanation.
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Is Jay's name pronounced McGraar or as its spelled, McGRATH?
I've heard it pronounced both ways ont radio and club videos.
When he played, I thought his dad’s name was pronounced to rhyme with bath.
But I hear McGraar more now for this lad. Maybe it’s because it rhymes with ‘Ooh aah’.
Maybe it's the Irish accent that makes it pronounce Mcgraar?
My theory is as follows: McGrath is a fairly common Irish surname. Irish accents can convert “three” to “tree”, so at the end of a word the final “th” is reduced to “t”. Spoken softly with an Irish accent it becomes lost.
THAT is a very good theory and probably the explanation.
Quite possibly, especially thinking about the expression over here of 'there's ma Da' for 'there's my Dad'
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Is Joe out of contract next year?
Anderson, Olowu, Wood and Faulkner are all out of contract this coming summer.
I thought Olowu signed an extension last season?
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The only positive from tonight.
What a player this lad is.
He’s got everything you want from a centre back.
Some of his tackling and distribution was awesome.
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He looked a few levels above olowu tonight
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A couple of wayward passes, the most frustrating one when we were trying to throw everything forward in added time, but that's just part of his learning experience.
You've got to be brave to try those long-range passes and he pulled off some beauties last night.
All in all, a superb performance from Jay and he's going to take some shifting from the first team.
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He won a couple of big challenges last night against big powerful opposition. The test will be another level on Saturday vs Andy Cook - that'll be a good measure of how far Jay has come, but so far he's been excellent.
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Thought he looked really strong last night. Getting better with every game.