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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: South East Rover on October 26, 2024, 05:06:35 pm
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Lets give the boys some Praise today they were fantastic. :rtid:
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Yes terrific performance.
Kyle Hurst was unstoppable and when he gets his delivery right he is a match winner as today
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The best from Hurst this season .In a set of interviews two of our players were asked who is the most difficult teammate to play against in training ..they both answered Hurst .We saw his close dribbling control today just before he released that assist for Luke’s goal.
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Can I just say, he had an incredible second half, but he was the main culprit for the chances we created and never capitalised from( along with Molly) in the first.
If he can replicate that second half consistently, we have a player on our hands.
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How can you post something negative after that display :headbang:
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How can you post something negative after that display :headbang:
Because what he said was completely correct. Hurst was a little bit missing in the first half and fantastic in the 2nd.
People are allowed to say things they think happened and still be very happy. It is possible that not every player got 10/10 after a win
Wait until you find out YouTube used to do dislike buttons not just the everything is brilliant thumbs up only world
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How can you post something negative after that display :headbang:
I'd hardly say it was negative. Just a honest opinion on how he saw things.
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How can you post something negative after that display :headbang:
Because what he said was completely correct. Hurst was a little bit missing in the first half and fantastic in the 2nd.
People are allowed to say things they think happened and still be very happy. It is possible that not every player got 10/10 after a win
Wait until you find out YouTube used to do dislike buttons not just the everything is brilliant thumbs up only world
Because this post was to give the boys some Praise today and build condenses not nit pick.
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It is OK to pick negative points even if he played brilliantly in the second half though it is not a thing I ever find it necessary to do personally.
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The best from Hurst this season .In a set of interviews two of our players were asked who is the most difficult teammate to play against in training ..they both answered Hurst .We saw his close dribbling control today just before he released that assist for Luke’s goal.
And what a pass it was
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Grant has said much the same himself, in his interview with the press. Is he being negative?
Absolutely all for us looking to improve still further and especially after an excellent away win.
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Kyle was great today, fluffed his lines once or twice in the first half but never shied away & worked hard all game.
I like him in that ten role, I know a few have said get him out wide.
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Grant has said much the same himself, in his interview with the press. Is he being negative?
Absolutely all for us looking to improve still further and especially after an excellent away win.
Agree with this and the earlier comments. Too many see everything either black or white - “he’s great and there can be no criticism” or “he’s shite and there can be no praise”. Hurst was unplayable for long spells today and was superb. He also made a real mess of two clear chances in the first half. He was still probably our MOTM. Maybe with McGrath and Olowu. Sterry not far behind.
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Hurst is a total confidence player. Most of his time with us he plays almost scared in edge. There's been the odd cameos where I think wow he could be some player for us. One in particular was Mansfield away a couple of years ago. We got thrashed 4v1 but that day he was the best player in the pitch by a mile. He's got to do it more often than he has done. I thought first half he was poor as was Molyneux too.
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Hurst is a total confidence player. Most of his time with us he plays almost scared in edge. There's been the odd cameos where I think wow he could be some player for us. One in particular was Mansfield away a couple of years ago. We got thrashed 4v1 but that day he was the best player in the pitch by a mile. He's got to do it more often than he has done. I thought first half he was poor as was Molyneux too.
He never starts games so struggles with rhythm. We’ve developed him poorly since he’s been here, he’s not had enough minutes. Today showed what he can do when he has time to settle into a game.
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Kyle fluffed a chance when he accidentally stepped on the ball but after that, as soon as he came near to the Rovers fans, I was screaming at him “Hard luck Kyle, keep going lad!”
His second half performance was brilliant.
Let’s take every chance to support our players. The Billy Sharps have been there and done that and nothing will phase them, but the Kyle Hursts will play to their strengths when they have confidence.
That’s where we fans can play a big part.
He’s earned his shirt today.
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Bloke behind us shouted to ger him off after he stepped on the ball, I reckon he'd had a few tbf.
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How can you post something negative after that display :headbang:
Because what he said was completely correct. Hurst was a little bit missing in the first half and fantastic in the 2nd.
People are allowed to say things they think happened and still be very happy. It is possible that not every player got 10/10 after a win
Wait until you find out YouTube used to do dislike buttons not just the everything is brilliant thumbs up only world
Because this post was to give the boys some Praise today and build condenses not nit pick.
with better decision making in the first half we could have had 4-5 goals think this is what he is referring too ,it was frustrating at times
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Kyle fluffed a chance when he accidentally stepped on the ball but after that, as soon as he came near to the Rovers fans, I was screaming at him “Hard luck Kyle, keep going lad!”
His second half performance was brilliant.
Let’s take every chance to support our players. The Billy Sharps have been there and done that and nothing will phase them, but the Kyle Hursts will play to their strengths when they have confidence.
That’s where we fans can play a big part.
He’s earned his shirt today.
Good shout about the support. We really need to raise the noise levels a notch to help the lads restore our home form. The anxious periods of silence could feel a bit unsettling for our less experienced players and maybe contributes to the uncertainty in front of goal.
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Agreed Baz.
The singing section in the Bromley game were hardly heard for most of the time.
It was very strange.
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Bradford fans showed what the crowd can do after they scored. It made for a very nervy 10 minutes.
The ground not just the south stand needs to do better. Think of Barrow at home last season and the impact it made them crumble.
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Hurst is a total confidence player. Most of his time with us he plays almost scared in edge. There's been the odd cameos where I think wow he could be some player for us. One in particular was Mansfield away a couple of years ago. We got thrashed 4v1 but that day he was the best player in the pitch by a mile. He's got to do it more often than he has done. I thought first half he was poor as was Molyneux too.
He never starts games so struggles with rhythm. We’ve developed him poorly since he’s been here, he’s not had enough minutes. Today showed what he can do when he has time to settle into a game.
He needs a run in the side, even if he has a couple of bad games GM needs to stick with him, nobody else in the side can really travel at pace with the ball the way he does
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I wasn’t at the game yesterday. Where did Hurst actually play? I’m getting the impression he was maybe central. If so, how did the side set up?
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I wasn’t at the game yesterday. Where did Hurst actually play? I’m getting the impression he was maybe central. If so, how did the side set up?
He was a ten, often popping up on either side which helped Moly out particularly, & those two linked well.
Maxwell was on the other side.
It was mostly a back four although Sterry was very high most of the time, they got behind him a couple of times in the first half & should have scored but they never seemed to focus on that as a tactic, thankfully.
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I wasn’t at the game yesterday. Where did Hurst actually play? I’m getting the impression he was maybe central. If so, how did the side set up?
We played a 3412 or 5212 if you prefer. He was the no10 attacking midfielder but when countering popped up on either flank but generally the left.
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Offers miles more attacking intent than Clifton
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Interesting that 2 people have differing views on what we played. Must’ve been fluid if that’s the case?
If gaz is correct, I like the sound of that. Molyneux further forward leaving sharp less isolated seems the way forward. I like Sterry and Maxwell as wing backs also as they’re so much better going forward than defending. Assume Senior was left of the 3? He seems to have slipped under the radar with peoples reviews. Must’ve been solid enoug?. He was decent there last season against Everton if I recall?
Sorry for all the questions but I hate missing out on games. Especially ones like this.I need to earn a crust however.
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Offers miles more attacking intent than Clifton
Clifton is played in games high up to press. He's not great with the ball technically but that's not what he's there for
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Interesting that 2 people have differing views on what we played. Must’ve been fluid if that’s the case?
If gaz is correct, I like the sound of that. Molyneux further forward leaving sharp less isolated seems the way forward. I like Sterry and Maxwell as wing backs also as they’re so much better going forward than defending. Assume Senior was left of the 3? He seems to have slipped under the radar with peoples reviews. Must’ve been solid enoug?. He was decent there last season against Everton if I recall?
Sorry for all the questions but I hate missing out on games. Especially ones like this.I need to earn a crust however.
Gaz has probably got it right tbf but playing with wing backs it's always got to be fluid, hasn't it?
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I wasn’t at the game either so forgive me (although that seems to inversely correlate with our performance levels :lol:)
Broadbent must have been solid? Interesting he was trusted over Kelly in what was essentially a formation with only 2 central midfielders.
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Offers miles more attacking intent than Clifton
Clifton is played in games high up to press. He's not great with the ball technically but that's not what he's there for
Nothing against Clifton but surely the basics of any modern day footballer is that they can press ?? Personally I think Harrison Biggins offered us more in that role than Clifton
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Immense performance and the only negative is that it should have been game over by half time and could easily have been punished at the end. We get it absolutely spot on away from home but yet so wrong at home. Get that right and we take some stopping.
Special mention for Jack Senior yesterday. A young lad as good as him should and would be playing games for many other clubs at this level. He’s been very unlucky to be out of favour and have to sit in the stands a lot so far. So for him to be thrown in and play like that in a big game speaks volumes about how good of a player he is and also, his professionalism.
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Offers miles more attacking intent than Clifton
Clifton is played in games high up to press. He's not great with the ball technically but that's not what he's there for
Nothing against Clifton but surely the basics of any modern day footballer is that they can press ?? Personally I think Harrison Biggins offered us more in that role than Clifton
I would also agree Clifton leads the press very well but can also drop back into midfield to defend so he adds value in that respect.
I would also agree he's not as skillful with the ball as Hurst or Sbarra. Hurst generally isn't as strong without the ball, although there has been some signs he's getting stuck in a bit more.
They can all offer something and there's time for all of them to improve even more.
I think we'd all love to see Kyle in full flow every week in the more central position.
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Grant has said much the same himself, in his interview with the press. Is he being negative?
Absolutely all for us looking to improve still further and especially after an excellent away win.
Agree with this and the earlier comments. Too many see everything either black or white - “he’s great and there can be no criticism” or “he’s shite and there can be no praise”. Hurst was unplayable for long spells today and was superb. He also made a real mess of two clear chances in the first half. He was still probably our MOTM. Maybe with McGrath and Olowu. Sterry not far behind.
I really like what Sterry gives us going forward but still see him as a defensive weakness. I think he could be very effective used in midfield, he's good on the ball and can make some telling passes and certainly has no fear of getting into the box.
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George was OK, nothing spectacular but worked hard.
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Grant has said much the same himself, in his interview with the press. Is he being negative?
Absolutely all for us looking to improve still further and especially after an excellent away win.
Agree with this and the earlier comments. Too many see everything either black or white - “he’s great and there can be no criticism” or “he’s shite and there can be no praise”. Hurst was unplayable for long spells today and was superb. He also made a real mess of two clear chances in the first half. He was still probably our MOTM. Maybe with McGrath and Olowu. Sterry not far behind.
I really like what Sterry gives us going forward but still see him as a defensive weakness. I think he could be very effective used in midfield, he's good on the ball and can make some telling passes and certainly has no fear of getting into the box.
He scares the shit out of me defensively but like you say he's good going forward. Quite a few assists this season I believe
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I wasn’t at the game either so forgive me (although that seems to inversely correlate with our performance levels :lol:)
Broadbent must have been solid? Interesting he was trusted over Kelly in what was essentially a formation with only 2 central midfielders.
I said this on Twitter last night. Broadbent seems a strange one. He's steady enough, nothing special (yet) but the results with his starting are fantastic. I think someone mentioned we've got 13 points from the 6 games he's started this season and only the Newport game where we lost.
Does he free Bailey up a little perhaps? Honestly I don't know what it is but we just seem better with him in there.
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Broadbent misplaced a few passes yesterday but also had some lovely touches. Sounds a bit daft but I tend to think the bad side of his game is more noticeable than the good. If you watch carefully you will see some great deft flicks and passes and he is good at linking play up.
I think he is an intelligent footballer who's main weakness is that he lacks a bit for pace. In short I think we under-rate him a bit.
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Rovers played well yesterday and were good value for the win, but there's no harm in pointing out where Rovers could still get better. 13 corners yesterday, yet only one resulted in a good chance of a goal (the scramble) the rest, at best offered a slow shot on goal that the keeper easily saves. They need a better strategy.
The second goal demonstrated where Rovers need to go with chances for Billy and Joe, get well down towards the by line and then a low cross across the penalty area. So many time Molyneux and Gibson run out side the box and try to cut in to score themselves, by-passing the striker. Most of these attempts are from distance giving time to get a block in or another easy save from a goalie. We could have been 3-4 goals up in the first half. Something that GM pointed out in his interview.
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Rovers played well yesterday and were good value for the win, but there's no harm in pointing out where Rovers could still get better. 13 corners yesterday, yet only one resulted in a good chance of a goal (the scramble) the rest, at best offered a slow shot on goal that the keeper easily saves. They need a better strategy.
The second goal demonstrated where Rovers need to go with chances for Billy and Joe, get well down towards the by line and then a low cross across the penalty area. So many time Molyneux and Gibson run out side the box and try to cut in to score themselves, by-passing the striker. Most of these attempts are from distance giving time to get a block in or another easy save from a goalie. We could have been 3-4 goals up in the first half. Something that GM pointed out in his interview.
Not disagreeing with your overall points, but there was another good chance from a corner with the header from McGrath in the second half.
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Tbf I think Jay had a couple of headers that should have resulted in a goal
Would love to see Nixon in for a few games, really like Sterry but see him as the weak link in the defence
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Hurst is a total confidence player. Most of his time with us he plays almost scared in edge. There's been the odd cameos where I think wow he could be some player for us. One in particular was Mansfield away a couple of years ago. We got thrashed 4v1 but that day he was the best player in the pitch by a mile. He's got to do it more often than he has done. I thought first half he was poor as was Molyneux too.
He never starts games so struggles with rhythm. We’ve developed him poorly since he’s been here, he’s not had enough minutes. Today showed what he can do when he has time to settle into a game.
He needs a run in the side, even if he has a couple of bad games GM needs to stick with him, nobody else in the side can really travel at pace with the ball the way he does
There were several pleas to GM to finally give him a start before this game for the very reasons you mention. It’s something that the manager perhaps ought to have done some time before us lot suggested it.
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Broadbent misplaced a few passes yesterday but also had some lovely touches. Sounds a bit daft but I tend to think the bad side of his game is more noticeable than the good. If you watch carefully you will see some great deft flicks and passes and he is good at linking play up.
I think he is an intelligent footballer who's main weakness is that he lacks a bit for pace. In short I think we under-rate him a bit.
Agreed, i think we all underrate him to an extent. Went about his game yesterday very quietly and effectively.
I wonder if he was one of them who asked for extra shooting practice? Then again its something we should be doing better.
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Rovers played well yesterday and were good value for the win, but there's no harm in pointing out where Rovers could still get better. 13 corners yesterday, yet only one resulted in a good chance of a goal (the scramble) the rest, at best offered a slow shot on goal that the keeper easily saves. They need a better strategy.
The second goal demonstrated where Rovers need to go with chances for Billy and Joe, get well down towards the by line and then a low cross across the penalty area. So many time Molyneux and Gibson run out side the box and try to cut in to score themselves, by-passing the striker. Most of these attempts are from distance giving time to get a block in or another easy save from a goalie. We could have been 3-4 goals up in the first half. Something that GM pointed out in his interview.
Not disagreeing with your overall points, but there was another good chance from a corner with the header from McGrath in the second half.
has any one heard the Billy sharp aftermatch Interview, he name checks McGrath twice over his missed chance. Practically sounds pissed off... Really seemed out of place considering the optimistic feeling of everyone after the game..
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Rovers played well yesterday and were good value for the win, but there's no harm in pointing out where Rovers could still get better. 13 corners yesterday, yet only one resulted in a good chance of a goal (the scramble) the rest, at best offered a slow shot on goal that the keeper easily saves. They need a better strategy.
The second goal demonstrated where Rovers need to go with chances for Billy and Joe, get well down towards the by line and then a low cross across the penalty area. So many time Molyneux and Gibson run out side the box and try to cut in to score themselves, by-passing the striker. Most of these attempts are from distance giving time to get a block in or another easy save from a goalie. We could have been 3-4 goals up in the first half. Something that GM pointed out in his interview.
Not disagreeing with your overall points, but there was another good chance from a corner with the header from McGrath in the second half.
has any one heard the Billy sharp aftermatch Interview, he name checks McGrath twice over his missed chance. Practically sounds pissed off... Really seemed out of place considering the optimistic feeling of everyone after the game..
I didn't take it as a pop at Jay, just stating we should have been out of sight. He also said "myself included" twice when talking of missed chances recently.
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Sharp needs more crosses into the box from the by- line and Karl Hurst provides that though he did play down the middle yesterday and very effectively.
Grant says Senior has a. big heart, well he has two big lungs too, and though he was essentially defending the left back position he got into their box at speed too on a couple of occasions.He looked very happy too .
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Rovers played well yesterday and were good value for the win, but there's no harm in pointing out where Rovers could still get better. 13 corners yesterday, yet only one resulted in a good chance of a goal (the scramble) the rest, at best offered a slow shot on goal that the keeper easily saves. They need a better strategy.
The second goal demonstrated where Rovers need to go with chances for Billy and Joe, get well down towards the by line and then a low cross across the penalty area. So many time Molyneux and Gibson run out side the box and try to cut in to score themselves, by-passing the striker. Most of these attempts are from distance giving time to get a block in or another easy save from a goalie. We could have been 3-4 goals up in the first half. Something that GM pointed out in his interview.
Not disagreeing with your overall points, but there was another good chance from a corner with the header from McGrath in the second half.
has any one heard the Billy sharp aftermatch Interview, he name checks McGrath twice over his missed chance. Practically sounds pissed off... Really seemed out of place considering the optimistic feeling of everyone after the game..
Yes. I didn't get that impression at all. I took it he was making the point about standards and what needs to improve. He mentioned his experience at higher levels where you have to be more clinical or get punished. He seems determined to help us get better.
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I did not read that into the Sharp interview nor from his positive body language throughout the game .
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Just me then, hey ho.. opinions eh...
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Just watch Alexander’s interview. First comment was “we’ve been done on the counter” moving on to say “there was no real skill involved” in our first goal. Agreed we should have scored a hat full on the counter and on transitions but neither of our goals were scored on them. Also, just before our first goal, Hurst checked back before playing Moly in and sent 3 of their defenders for a hot dog, does that not class as skill anymore then?
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Just watch Alexander’s interview. First comment was “we’ve been done on the counter” moving on to say “there was no real skill involved” in our first goal. Agreed we should have scored a hat full on the counter and on transitions but neither of our goals were scored on them. Also, just before our first goal, Hurst checked back before playing Moly in and sent 3 of their defenders for a hot dog, does that not class as skill anymore then?
He says that like it wasn’t our plan and they gifted it us. We played that way because they are dreadful at defending breaks and can break down low blocks.
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Sharp has high standards and wants the best for the team and his teammates. Nothing wrong with him calling out Jay's miss. Captain's comment.
Senior was good and seems better in the LCB role. I know we will change formation depending on who we play, but when we play 5 at the back the 5 that started yesterday are probably the best we have for it.
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Rovers played well yesterday and were good value for the win, but there's no harm in pointing out where Rovers could still get better. 13 corners yesterday, yet only one resulted in a good chance of a goal (the scramble) the rest, at best offered a slow shot on goal that the keeper easily saves. They need a better strategy.
The second goal demonstrated where Rovers need to go with chances for Billy and Joe, get well down towards the by line and then a low cross across the penalty area. So many time Molyneux and Gibson run out side the box and try to cut in to score themselves, by-passing the striker. Most of these attempts are from distance giving time to get a block in or another easy save from a goalie. We could have been 3-4 goals up in the first half. Something that GM pointed out in his interview.
Totally agree as regards the wide players, it's great we have really good wide players, that can cut in & get a shot off, just need to mix it a bit more, beat their man & get the ball in for the strikers, would give defenders a real headache.
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Rovers played well yesterday and were good value for the win, but there's no harm in pointing out where Rovers could still get better. 13 corners yesterday, yet only one resulted in a good chance of a goal (the scramble) the rest, at best offered a slow shot on goal that the keeper easily saves. They need a better strategy.
The second goal demonstrated where Rovers need to go with chances for Billy and Joe, get well down towards the by line and then a low cross across the penalty area. So many time Molyneux and Gibson run out side the box and try to cut in to score themselves, by-passing the striker. Most of these attempts are from distance giving time to get a block in or another easy save from a goalie. We could have been 3-4 goals up in the first half. Something that GM pointed out in his interview.
Totally agree as regards the wide players, it's great we have really good wide players, that can cut in & get a shot off, just need to mix it a bit more, beat their man & get the ball in for the strikers, would give defenders a real headache.
Definitely agree about mixing it up. As a wide man you want to test out your marker early on, both outside and inside.
What I would also like to see more of, are those early crosses from deeper from Maxwell and Sterry. Not too long ago, Clifton scored at the Eco from a beautiful cross from Sterry, who didn't hesitate to whip one in after it was laid back to him. One of those where the defenders can't get set. Clifton made a great timed run into the box.
Last season, Bailey's headed goal v Wrexham from a great cross from deep from Maxwell.
All these options are more strings to the bow with forwards and midfielders making good runs.
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Sharp has high standards and wants the best for the team and his teammates. Nothing wrong with him calling out Jay's miss. Captain's comment.
Senior was good and seems better in the LCB role. I know we will change formation depending on who we play, but when we play 5 at the back the 5 that started yesterday are probably the best we have for it.
If I remember rightly, Nixon was a decent RCB option when we had the back 3 last year. Similar to Jack, not the biggest but aggressive and won’t be bullied.
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Offers miles more attacking intent than Clifton
Clifton is played in games high up to press. He's not great with the ball technically but that's not what he's there for
Clifton wins the ball high up the pitch and is crucial to how we play
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Offers miles more attacking intent than Clifton
Clifton is played in games high up to press. He's not great with the ball technically but that's not what he's there for
Clifton wins the ball high up the pitch and is crucial to how we play
Is it though? We are not a big front foot pressing side, contrary to what Grant wants people to believe. We are average for pressing for the level, so considering we are about the best side in the league it can’t be our main plan/ style.
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Just watch Alexander’s interview. First comment was “we’ve been done on the counter” moving on to say “there was no real skill involved” in our first goal. Agreed we should have scored a hat full on the counter and on transitions but neither of our goals were scored on them. Also, just before our first goal, Hurst checked back before playing Moly in and sent 3 of their defenders for a hot dog, does that not class as skill anymore then?
Alexander is a bellend, always has been.
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Well, their goal was scored from a 50/50 ball into the box.