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.... stay on
He was involved with Sterry and people on Half way couldn't see like the South Stand who were chanting off off off
A Yellow duly arrived and I said , that's him home free as the lily livered Ref won't produce 2nd Yellow
And by God was I right as he embarked on a fouling spree including a second skirmish with Sterry plus at least
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5 to 6 more First Half fouls
Totting up Ref ?
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.... stay on
He was involved with Sterry and people on Half way couldn't see like the South Stand who were chanting off off off
A Yellow duly arrived and I said , that's him home free as the lily livered Ref won't produce 2nd Yellow
And by God was I right as he embarked on a fouling spree including a second skirmish with Sterry plus at least
Agreed, the second foul on Sterry was no different to the first one which got him carded, so why wasn’t the second one worth a yellow as well.
The were two or three other fouls in that first half hour which on another day would have been rewarded with a booking but the ref seemed to bottle it, well until he booked Bailey for something that wasn’t anywhere near as bad as the one he didn’t caution players for.
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The Bailey foul on him got the biggest cheer of the day apart from the goal. The pantomime villain got clobbered and we all enjoyed that moment very much.
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The Bailey foul on him got the biggest cheer of the day apart from the goal. The pantomime villain got clobbered and we all enjoyed that moment very much.
He had more rolls than Greggs!!
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The stuff on sterry was next to nothing. The worst foul was on Moly after he was already on a booking.
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Unbelievable that Lund didn't get a cars after scything down Sterry in the centre circle.
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Unbelievable that Lund didn't get a cars after scything down Sterry in the centre circle.
That was a nailed on yellow as well.
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Is that the Matty Lund who started off with the Rovers?
BobG
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Is that the Matty Lund who started off with the Rovers?
BobG
No this one was at Scunny some years ago I think.
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Thanks Camps! Always puzzled me that has.
Where's our one these days?
Bob
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Is that the Matty Lund who started off with the Rovers?
BobG
Our Lund was called Mitchell Lund
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Thanks Camps! Always puzzled me that has.
Where's our one these days?
Bob
Seems to have dropped out of the game which is a shame.
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Mitchell Lund was at Bradford Park Avenue earlier this year.
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Thank you all!
Bob
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It was as if 10 wanted to be sent off… bizarre.
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I don't know what he was doing at HT . He made a bee line for Officials with another Player ( Captain maybe ) in SE corner and spent ages talking to them
Wonder why unless he was offering his thanks that they had seen his actions as being unlucky or simply mistiming of tackles and rightly kept him on the pitch
I didn't expect to see him out on 2nd half but hey ho there he was
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I don't know what he was doing at HT . He made a bee line for Officials with another Player ( Captain maybe ) in SE corner and spent ages talking to them
Wonder why unless he was offering his thanks that they had seen his actions as being unlucky or simply mistiming of tackles and rightly kept him on the pitch
I didn't expect to see him out on 2nd half but hey ho there he was
I also noticed that 10 removed his shirt before going down the tunnel at half time.
Very unusual.
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I’m surprised no one has mentioned the assault on Hurst in the first half whilst we were on the break down the east stand touchline. He was completely polaxed with the ball past the defender. Unbelievable nothing was given.
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The stuff on sterry was next to nothing. The worst foul was on Moly after he was already on a booking.
Tbh thought both were handbags. Ref probably did us a favour booking him because many occasions it would have got nothing. If it was at other end of pitch he probably wouldn’t.
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I’m surprised Lund didn’t get booked for diving towards the east stand. It was blatent.
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I’m surprised no one has mentioned the assault on Hurst in the first half whilst we were on the break down the east stand touchline. He was completely polaxed with the ball past the defender. Unbelievable nothing was given.
Ref implied shoulder to shoulder! Just wiped him out. It was a NFL block.
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Yeah, I mentioned this in another thread - it was farcical how he stayed on the pitch, ref bottled it every time. I agree the foul on him by Bailey was a particular highlight :boxing:
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Don’t think the ref was that bad yesterday on a whole
Yes number 10 made a lot of niggly fouls but wasn’t booked because of the foul on sterry it was of the bit afterwards same as TSL,yes he pherhaps could of got another for amount of fouls he made but that is at refs discretion,but likes been said the worse one apart from baileys challenge was lunds in the 1st few mins
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It was as if 10 wanted to be sent off… bizarre.
Agreed, and the ref refused to do it! At least didn’t have the b*ll*cks to! :boxing:
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Robinson was on at the 4th official all game
Btw was Ryan Giggs on the Salford bench (not as a player) or was it a lookalike
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No it was deffo Ryan Giggs
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Mr Woods has only reffed 6 EFL matches so far this season and 5 yellows beats his average of 4 per match. And perhaps, not surprisingly, he has not sent anyone off this season. So perhaps Salford did some homework because they excelled and got away with feigning injury to break up play, standing over the ball for Rovers free kicks to stop them being taken too quickly, and stealing yards in free kicks even when the ball was placed by the ref.
If he had not yellow-carded 2 of our players for fouls (+TSL quite justifiably) based on 9 offences compared with their 2 for twice as many, you might say that he was consistent. But Salford exploited his weakness to great advantage. And there is another argument around wider stricter standards of consistency. Referees today book players for persistent foul play and despite 19 fouls, it was not apparent that any of their bookings were for that reason - he just didn't do any totting up. And as for letting the game flow, they ensured that their tactical injuries prevented that.
You could come away from the Bromley game and at least conclude that it was fairly fought, but its no wonder that teams that play like Salford can't attract crowds at home even when their rich neighbours sell out their games.
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Frustrating that Molyneux (rightly) was red carded for two technical yellow card offences. Yet the lad yesterday committed at least two fouls AFTER his yellow card that were as bad as the one that brought the card, yet stayed on.
Something morally not right there. The leeway allowed in adjudging the severity of fouls that isn't there on more technical infringements.
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Cheating the rules IS cheating the rules at any time in any game
The rules are set to maintain law and order , fair play etc and so if Number 10 picks up a Yellow but then continues fouling ( cheating the rules ) he should rightly get a second Yellow
However it appears that ONLY the taking off of Shirts after scoring are enforced
Sometimes dissent is punished , sometimes delaying start of play again but let's face it individual Referees are not even consistent within the same game so there is ZERO chance of the being consistent between themselves
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Question for South Stand spectators
When 10 threw Sterry to floor , loads of SS immediately started the Off Off OFF chant
Later I thought they seemed to be singing " you're going off you're going off "
My question , what did they think he had done to provoke that response ?
Nobody seems to have mentioned what he was thought to be guilty of and from on Half wayI had no chance of seeing anything after the wrestling match and thought he must have punched or kicked Sterry
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Question for South Stand spectators
When 10 threw Sterry to floor , loads of SS immediately started the Off Off OFF chant
Later I thought they seemed to be singing " you're going off you're going off "
My question , what did they think he had done to provoke that response ?
Nobody seems to have mentioned what he was thought to be guilty of and from on Half wayI had no chance of seeing anything after the wrestling match and thought he must have punched or kicked Sterry
Sterry was gesturing as if to say their no.10 had kicked out. I'd take that, and fan reactions, with a pinch of salt though. There didn't seem to be a great deal in it.
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We were about five or ten yards away. He seemed to lose it when Sterry just shepherded the ball out. He seemed to grab him and then wrestle him down while Jamie was off balance.
A yellow all day long. He then did almost exactly the same at the other side of the goal two or three minutes later. Bizarre behaviour to say the least. He then just carried on doing what he wanted unpunished. We fully expected him to get pulled at half time.
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Thanks both
I wondered if there was anything in it
A Yellow seemed to be right call but begs the question why not a 2nd for a seemingly identical incident ?
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Thanks both
I wondered if there was anything in it
A Yellow seemed to be right call but begs the question why not a 2nd for a seemingly identical incident ?
I have already asked that last question on here Wolfie.
Not only that but he committed two other fouls which might have got him a yellow had he not already been booked.
I know that shouldn’t make a difference but for some reason it is commonplace for the refs to book a player early in a game then not follow up with a second yellow for something later which should also get a booking.
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Inconsistent refs again. The only difference i saw was that he didn't throw Sterry down quite as hard the second time and thats splitting hairs really
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Yes ... to both of the above.
One of the fouls was East Stand side half way in.their half and he totally upped (maybe) Moly
I thought that was a definite Yellow whoever did it but the Ref did us no favours whatsoever
He was persistently breaking the Rules the Ref gets paid to see AND uphold and I say we were let down badly by his lack of judgement and cajones
Amazingly I don't remember him doing a single foul in second half so maybe his HT " chat "with Martin Wooden went along the lines of " that's your lot"
I can't save you next time
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Thanks both
I wondered if there was anything in it
A Yellow seemed to be right call but begs the question why not a 2nd for a seemingly identical incident ?
I have already asked that last question on here Wolfie.
Not only that but he committed two other fouls which might have got him a yellow had he not already been booked.
I know that shouldn’t make a difference but for some reason it is commonplace for the refs to book a player early in a game then not follow up with a second yellow for something later which should also get a booking.
This is a big frustration for me as well. See also “that’s a foul anywhere else on the pitch” and refs not booking players for clear yellow card decisions very early on in the game.
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Thanks both
I wondered if there was anything in it
A Yellow seemed to be right call but begs the question why not a 2nd for a seemingly identical incident ?
I have already asked that last question on here Wolfie.
Not only that but he committed two other fouls which might have got him a yellow had he not already been booked.
I know that shouldn’t make a difference but for some reason it is commonplace for the refs to book a player early in a game then not follow up with a second yellow for something later which should also get a booking.
This is a big frustration for me as well. See also “that’s a foul anywhere else on the pitch” and refs not booking players for clear yellow card decisions very early on in the game.
Yes Nick and the foul by Lund on Sterry on halfway in the first few minutes was VERY deserving of a yellow card.
Had it been in the last ten minutes the ref would almost certainly have booked Lund.
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What was it Mike Dean said the other day, you can have the 1st one for free but it's a booking next time when he reffed
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Just when you’ve watched a game when the officials have been absolutely abysmal & you’re thinking ‘Thank gawd we’ll never see another ref as poor as that again”, bugger me one of his ‘refereeing class’ who finished behind him on the course comes along!
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Thanks both
I wondered if there was anything in it
A Yellow seemed to be right call but begs the question why not a 2nd for a seemingly identical incident ?
It's what I was referring to on the first page.
Refs are very reluctant to send a player of for "2 soft yellows" when there's an element of subjectivity involved.
But absolutely ruthless at sending of a player for two "technical yellows" such as Molyneux's against Chesterfield.
I get the latter. Once the ref had booked Madden for kicking the ball away, he had set a standard that required a yellow for subsequent, similar incidents.
But why didn't that apply to the No10 on Saturday. The ref gave several first yellows that were arguably "soft". But then didn't follow through consistently on giving a second yellow to him following at least 2 fouls that were at least as bad as the soft yellows.
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There was a ‘kicking the ball away’ incident in the second half too by one of their players when we were awarded a free kick at 1-0 down still. I ‘called it’ to my brother at the time.
Ref must have seen it but…….forget it.
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Inconsistent refs again. The only difference i saw was that he didn't throw Sterry down quite as hard the second time and thats splitting hairs really
I believe if a player is on a yellow card ,the foul has to be worse than the first card for him to be given a second card to be sent off.
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.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs
A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one
At any time in the game the same Player is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.
It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given
It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield
He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and he therefore gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow
Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.
If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious
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.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs
A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one
At any time in the game the same Players is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.
It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given
It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield
He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow
Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.
If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious
The truly bizarre thing about the Molyneux 2nd yellow is that we were 0-2 down at the time. So there was no gain to us from time wasting. And by no stretch of the imagination did his shit prevent Chesterfield from taking a quick free kick. So, morally, it's a ridiculous card, the moreso when compared to that No10 on Saturday doing a Hong Kong Phooey on Molyneux on the half way line and not even being spoken to.
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.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs
A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one
At any time in the game the same Players is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.
It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given
It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield
He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow
Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.
If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious
The truly bizarre thing about the Molyneux 2nd yellow is that we were 0-2 down at the time. So there was no gain to us from time wasting. And by no stretch of the imagination did his shit prevent Chesterfield from taking a quick free kick. So, morally, it's a ridiculous card, the moreso when compared to that No10 on Saturday doing a Hong Kong Phooey on Molyneux on the half way line and not even being spoken to.
Exactly right BST.
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.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs
A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one
At any time in the game the same Players is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.
It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given
It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield
He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow
Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.
If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious
The truly bizarre thing about the Molyneux 2nd yellow is that we were 0-2 down at the time. So there was no gain to us from time wasting. And by no stretch of the imagination did his shit prevent Chesterfield from taking a quick free kick. So, morally, it's a ridiculous card, the moreso when compared to that No10 on Saturday doing a Hong Kong Phooey on Molyneux on the half way line and not even being spoken to.
Which is exactly what I said to our group at the time of it happening.
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.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs
A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one
At any time in the game the same Players is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.
It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given
It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield
He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow
Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.
If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious
The truly bizarre thing about the Molyneux 2nd yellow is that we were 0-2 down at the time. So there was no gain to us from time wasting. And by no stretch of the imagination did his shit prevent Chesterfield from taking a quick free kick. So, morally, it's a ridiculous card, the moreso when compared to that No10 on Saturday doing a Hong Kong Phooey on Molyneux on the half way line and not even being spoken to.
BST, I'll hold my hand straight up if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we were only 0-1 down at the time of Moly's 2nd yellow. It wasn't long after HT.
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.... but that surely can't be true or applied by Refs
A holding back on a player running past is supposedly a mandatory Yellow Card so someone gets one
At any time in the game the same Players is done for pace and holds the opposition player back.
It's holding so it's a mandatory Yellow so it has to be given
It's what did for Moly v Chesterfield
He dissented the Ref ( in the Refs opinion ) and gave him a ( supposed to be ) Mandatory Yellow
Moly then picked up the Second Yellow for ( presumably ) "delaying the restart of play" again Mandatory.
If it isn't , I would have been arguing that dissent is a worse " crime" than delaying the restart and the Ref could have overlooked the 2nd Yellow as it could be ruled as not more serious
The truly bizarre thing about the Molyneux 2nd yellow is that we were 0-2 down at the time. So there was no gain to us from time wasting. And by no stretch of the imagination did his shit prevent Chesterfield from taking a quick free kick. So, morally, it's a ridiculous card, the moreso when compared to that No10 on Saturday doing a Hong Kong Phooey on Molyneux on the half way line and not even being spoken to.
Exactly right BST.
Exactly right from me as well.
How the 10 stayed on after the Yellow is why I started the Thread in first place
Even under totting up he just had to walk but the upping of Moly was probably the most dangerous "tackle" of the 1st half yet despite it being his 6th foul the Ref still kept the 2 nd Yellow in his pocket
You are also right on the Moly 2nd Yellow. It was 0-1 and I for one cannot believe how he was delaying a restart as we were losing
Letter of the law , yes , Yellow I suppose but had he stopped dead the Chessie keeper would have taken at least a minute to put the ball back in play anyway
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Inconsistent refs again. The only difference i saw was that he didn't throw Sterry down quite as hard the second time and thats splitting hairs really
I believe if a player is on a yellow card ,the foul has to be worse than the first card for him to be given a second card to be sent off.
Is this the actual rule, because that's absolutely ridiculous if true. Surely a "second bookable offence" is an occasion where a yellow card can justifiably be used, regardless of the first one and regardless of whether "it's not a red" (because it isn't a red!).
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No that's not the rule at all. A booking offence is a booking offence regardless of whether it's minute one or minute 90+10 and regardless of whether you've been booked already or not. The only grey area/discretionary decision I can think of is totting up. I reffed a game last week in which I'd warned a player and he gave away a very innocuous foul later on which was a touch clumsy but no intent. On that occasion I decided it would be harsh to get a yellow card out as the player was trying to behave himself and just got in a bit of a tangle.
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Cheers for the clarity Mike
I'm sure Number 10 was "more than in a tangle " throughout 1st half though and he would have been saying " thanks for the Charity Martin "