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Title: Molyneux
Post by: EasyforDennis on November 23, 2024, 05:15:17 pm
Is it written into his contract that he cannot be substituted unless it's for an injury?
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Thorney on November 23, 2024, 05:17:39 pm
Think mcann is hoping he smashes in another 1 of his 30yard screamers.
But currently like every other player, he appears to not want to shot but rather play some tippy tappy shit wituin a crowded box.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Bentley Bullet on November 23, 2024, 05:18:20 pm
Is it written into his contract that he cannot be substituted unless it's for an injury?
Do you mean The Marquis Treaty?
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: danumdon on November 23, 2024, 05:19:56 pm
Fella's completely off it, needs some time on the bench to think about it.

Rushed and wasteful come to mind far to much.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: In the box on November 23, 2024, 05:32:47 pm
Is it written into his contract that he cannot be substituted unless it's for an injury?
You don’t sub off your top scorer !!
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Campsall rover on November 23, 2024, 05:46:24 pm
Every time he gets the ball he has 2 men on him.
He is a marked man and it’s not easy for him
I would give him a couple of games rest
Play Gibson on the right
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: EasyforDennis on November 23, 2024, 05:54:20 pm
Is it written into his contract that he cannot be substituted unless it's for an injury?
You don’t sub off your top scorer !!

You do if he is not performing. When was the last time he played well?
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: RoversInSpain on November 23, 2024, 06:29:01 pm
Need a bigger, stronger player on the other side so the opponents don’t know who to put 2 on. January will be the month we cure this.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: drfchound on November 23, 2024, 06:55:57 pm
Need a bigger, stronger player on the other side so the opponents don’t know who to put 2 on. January will be the month we cure this.

That is what happened last season.
When Adelukan turned out for us.
Suddenly we had two creative players for opponents to worry about.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Usher wide. on November 23, 2024, 11:06:48 pm
Moly put plenty of balls into the box, you always see Billy applauding his intentions.

Less applauding & more ‘intention’ to get on the end of those balls needed Billy me thinks.

Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Prez on January 29, 2025, 10:13:03 pm
Anyone who"s given Luke abuse should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Donnywolf on January 29, 2025, 10:18:31 pm
And a super goal. I'll assume he meant that lol
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: GazLaz on January 29, 2025, 10:19:47 pm
He’s had two gifts in the last 3 games and a cross that’s floated in.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 29, 2025, 10:26:29 pm
He’s had two gifts in the last 3 games and a cross that’s floated in.

Took them well though and got himself in those positions.  Great ball in for the first goal too.

He's a goalscoring wide forward.  Get him in and around the box where he's strong.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: GazLaz on January 29, 2025, 10:28:08 pm
He’s had two gifts in the last 3 games and a cross that’s floated in.

Took them well though and got himself in those positions.  Great ball in for the first goal too.

He's a goalscoring wide forward.  Get him in and around the box where he's strong.

They were absolute one on one gifts. We would have been going mad if he had missed!
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: knockers on January 29, 2025, 10:30:02 pm
He’s had two gifts in the last 3 games and a cross that’s floated in.

He’s had three one on ones in the last four games and scored them all!
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: scawsby steve on January 29, 2025, 10:30:16 pm
He’s had two gifts in the last 3 games and a cross that’s floated in.

Gifts that he finished off with aplomb. How his chances are created isn't down to him.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Jonathan on January 29, 2025, 10:30:42 pm
He’s had two gifts in the last 3 games and a cross that’s floated in.

Took them well though and got himself in those positions.  Great ball in for the first goal too.

He's a goalscoring wide forward.  Get him in and around the box where he's strong.

They were absolute one on one gifts. We would have been going mad if he had missed!

But we weren’t, because he didn’t. So we can save going mad at someone who does, as they do.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: GazLaz on January 29, 2025, 10:32:25 pm
He’s had two gifts in the last 3 games and a cross that’s floated in.

Gifts that he finished off with aplomb. How his chances are created isn't down to him.

Finishes have all been good. Opposition players passing the ball to him stood in front of goal with a clear shot isn’t a sustainable plan to create and score goals though is it.

I’m just saying context needs consideration as opposed to just outcomes.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Barmby Rover on January 29, 2025, 10:40:36 pm
"Is it written into his contract that he cannot be substituted unless it's for an injury?" So you would have taken off the player who scored two goals and left us with a 1-1 draw. GM is a manager and you will never be thank goodness!
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: danumdon on January 29, 2025, 10:41:47 pm
Credit should be given for being in the right place at the right time, he's been gifted the ball but still had to finish it which he did well. Second goal i'm not sure it was just an over hit floated cross that went over the keepers head, we've all had a pop at him for not producing so he deserves credit for getting the ball into a situation where a goals materialised

Must also do his confidence a world of good.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Thorney on January 29, 2025, 10:43:11 pm
"Is it written into his contract that he cannot be substituted unless it's for an injury?" So you would have taken off the player who scored two goals and left us with a 1-1 draw. GM is a manager and you will never be thank goodness!

Sorry barmby, the OP wasnt about tonights game
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: BerlinRed on January 29, 2025, 10:52:19 pm
Anyone who"s given Luke abuse should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Agreed. Our best player. Sometimes people forget we’re playing league two football!
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: drfchound on January 29, 2025, 10:53:22 pm
Anyone who"s given Luke abuse should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

And there have been quite a few doing it.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Move DRFC on January 29, 2025, 11:08:10 pm
Did everything perfect for the Hull goal and the one tonight. Deserves credit. Seen top players miss those, Moly is clinical.

Realistically he's off in the summer if we don't go up.

Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Pancho Regan on January 30, 2025, 12:20:20 am
He’s had two gifts in the last 3 games and a cross that’s floated in.

Took them well though and got himself in those positions.  Great ball in for the first goal too.

He's a goalscoring wide forward.  Get him in and around the box where he's strong.

They were absolute one on one gifts. We would have been going mad if he had missed!

Give him some credit you miserable sod.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: PDX_Rover on January 30, 2025, 12:56:15 am
Oh my gosh, it’s Moly… he scored a screaming 20 yard volley…

A bit late for Christmas… bugger
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: swain_drfc on January 30, 2025, 05:41:34 am
He’s had two gifts in the last 3 games and a cross that’s floated in.

Took them well though and got himself in those positions.  Great ball in for the first goal too.

He's a goalscoring wide forward.  Get him in and around the box where he's strong.

They were absolute one on one gifts. We would have been going mad if he had missed!

You are one miserable f**ker ain’t you.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: mpc123 on January 30, 2025, 06:19:23 am
He’s had two gifts in the last 3 games and a cross that’s floated in.

Took them well though and got himself in those positions.  Great ball in for the first goal too.

He's a goalscoring wide forward.  Get him in and around the box where he's strong.

They were absolute one on one gifts. We would have been going mad if he had missed!

Unbelievable, the best in the world miss those one on one's.

He is a very good player. My guess is you watch the premiership average overpaid hype.

Molly can play league one / champ no doubt about it. A good player, great work rate, stats to prove it. Goal stats now at the level require. Defense work at a good level. These aren't easy goals. The lad seems to have values with staying here and a heart, probably a readon for being slightly bothered with the stick he got.  Well over it now though.
The bit on mentality can be more on frustration, if you finish goals well and someone comes back and says oh well they were easy finishes and they are not, just frustration.

You are well well off the mark with this player. I don't get excited over players and am very critical myself but not this one.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: mpc123 on January 30, 2025, 06:45:31 am
https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/national/24896078.grant-mccann-luke-molyneux-showed-best-right-forward-league/
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: philsky on January 30, 2025, 07:12:37 am
Anyone who"s given Luke abuse should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

And there have been quite a few doing it.

There has and it's insane. Pretty typical of our fanbase, sadly. Been the same for years.

The lad bursts his balls every match, scores goals, provides assists and, like all of us, has off days.

A proper talent.

We need to get behind him.

Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: mpc123 on January 30, 2025, 07:51:12 am
That's the difference..   

Constantly pull out slight negatives, everybody has them. Say he was gifted goals when they are good finishes and difficult holding off defenders, speed required to get there. This is why quite a few talents coming to doncaste rovers the years have amounted to nothing. Get behind them, positive, help drive them forward and help them get to be a better player, rather than drag off and say he hasn't got the mentality.
There's a different way to the typical Doncaster way.

We can all achieve something with 90% positivity and drive, not skill.

We ALL need people behind us helping though, not hindering.

We have a decent tone, get really behind him, infact quite a few decent ones at the moment. He does stand out though.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: GazLaz on January 30, 2025, 07:54:26 am
That's the difference..   

Constantly pull out slight negatives, everybody has them. Say he was gifted goals when they are good finishes and difficult holding off defenders, speed required to get there. This is why quite a few talents coming to doncaste rovers the years have amounted to nothing. Get behind them, positive, help drive them forward and help them get to be a better player, rather than drag off and say he hasn't got the mentality.
There's a different way to the typical Doncaster way.

We can all achieve something with 90% positivity and drive, not skill.

We ALL need people behind us helping though, not hindering.

We have a decent tone, get really behind him, infact quite a few decent ones at the moment. He does stand out though.

The goals can both be “gifts” and ok finishes can’t they. The one on ones he has scored you would expect him to. I’m not sure any of that is incorrect.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Avsuptem on January 30, 2025, 08:03:57 am
Retaining Molineux for this season was the best business done, I doubt we would  now be in an automatic promorltion position without him in the side.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: mpc123 on January 30, 2025, 08:27:11 am
That's the difference..   

Constantly pull out slight negatives, everybody has them. Say he was gifted goals when they are good finishes and difficult holding off defenders, speed required to get there. This is why quite a few talents coming to doncaste rovers the years have amounted to nothing. Get behind them, positive, help drive them forward and help them get to be a better player, rather than drag off and say he hasn't got the mentality.
There's a different way to the typical Doncaster way.

We can all achieve something with 90% positivity and drive, not skill.

We ALL need people behind us helping though, not hindering.

We have a decent tone, get really behind him, infact quite a few decent ones at the moment. He does stand out though.

The goals can both be “gifts” and ok finishes can’t they. The one on ones he has scored you would expect him to. I’m not sure any of that is incorrect.
define gift. I get given something. Ball hits me it goes in.

That a gift... maybe your versions of the word gift are slightly out, that's all.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: mpc123 on January 30, 2025, 08:31:30 am
Just a thought in those situations. The opposing fans expects the keeper to save it.

Yesterday's goal, well done for putting on pressure and forcing the mistake, 2 speed to keep distance and control with speed and calm finish. Brilliant.... your version
... gift.  I hot gifts for Christmas I had to do absolutely nothing for.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Ian Nimmo on January 30, 2025, 08:39:32 am
Sorry GazLaz, but I just do not get you comments.
Yes the first goal was a bad mistake by their player, however mols was there to press the guy and was on the front foot for any such mistake. So therefore not a total gift, surely you have to give credit for that!

With the second, i am sure mols will say it was was a cross or shot, however whichever it was, he created the space and provided a ball into the danger area.

I sometimes get frustrated with mols, but this is because the guy is so talented, i don,t think it helps when he is playing too far out, and would like to see him playing more towards the centre.

One things for certain, he should not be getting the level of abuse that has occurred over the last few months.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Ian Nimmo on January 30, 2025, 09:03:46 am
Have now watched the goal numerous times on mols instagram post, and now think he intended that as a shot.
The flight of the ball was tremendous, so another wonder goal!
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 30, 2025, 09:11:30 am
He tried a similar cross on Saturday which the keeper caught comfortably and we're thinkin, "Ffs, too close to the keeper" not giving anyone a chance of getting on the end of it.

Fine lines in football.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: GazLaz on January 30, 2025, 09:16:17 am
Sorry GazLaz, but I just do not get you comments.
Yes the first goal was a bad mistake by their player, however mols was there to press the guy and was on the front foot for any such mistake. So therefore not a total gift, surely you have to give credit for that!

With the second, i am sure mols will say it was was a cross or shot, however whichever it was, he created the space and provided a ball into the danger area.

I sometimes get frustrated with mols, but this is because the guy is so talented, i don,t think it helps when he is playing too far out, and would like to see him playing more towards the centre.

One things for certain, he should not be getting the level of abuse that has occurred over the last few months.

Yes, his work rate is good. He closed down the keeper from the first kick off which made me think they saw a weakness in the way Barrow pass the ball back from kick offs.

As for gifts, I see this as a chance that hugely outweighs the effort and creativity put in to achieve it. Last nights chance and the Gills change came about by absolute howlers by opposition players. Clinical finishes, but put on a plate.

I’m judging the teams results in the last 3 games as fortunate rather than Luke and his performances. We’ve had a freak little spell of fortune, surely people can acknowledge that.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: i_ateallthepies on January 30, 2025, 09:42:05 am
Gaz, you have seriously dented any credibility you thought you had.  One on ones are not an open goal and require composure to finish, we see plenty missed.  Moly's first goal last night was another great opportunist finish but the defender's error that led to it only happened due to Moly chasing down the defender and causing his error, you totally ignored that because it doesn't suit your agenda.  His one on one which he chipped over the keeper was a sublime piece of skill and you think it was a given it should be scored?

As for Moly's 2nd goal tonight I am far from convinced he intended it as a shot but what is indisputable is that he put the ball into a danger area making it virtually impossible to defend which we have all been bemoaning our inability to do this season.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: GazLaz on January 30, 2025, 09:50:18 am
Gaz, you have seriously dented any credibility you thought you had.  One on ones are not an open goal and require composure to finish, we see plenty missed.  Moly's first goal last night was another great opportunist finish but the defender's error that led to it only happened due to Moly chasing down the defender and causing his error, you totally ignored that because it doesn't suit your agenda.  His one on one which he chipped over the keeper was a sublime piece of skill and you think it was a given it should be scored?

As for Moly's 2nd goal tonight I am far from convinced he intended it as a shot but what is indisputable is that he put the ball into a danger area making it virtually impossible to defend which we have all been bemoaning our inability to do this season.

You are really not getting the point.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: TonySoprano on January 30, 2025, 10:02:32 am
I think molyneux would be a good candidate for a huge flag surfer banner, or TIFO display for the palace game.
To show him our support, and we are with him with any mental health issues.

Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Bentley Bullet on January 30, 2025, 10:05:01 am
To me, goalscoring involves being in the right place at the right time when your opponents aren't.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: philsky on January 30, 2025, 10:08:30 am
Have now watched the goal numerous times on mols instagram post, and now think he intended that as a shot.
The flight of the ball was tremendous, so another wonder goal!
Gaz, you have seriously dented any credibility you thought you had.  One on ones are not an open goal and require composure to finish, we see plenty missed.  Moly's first goal last night was another great opportunist finish but the defender's error that led to it only happened due to Moly chasing down the defender and causing his error, you totally ignored that because it doesn't suit your agenda.  His one on one which he chipped over the keeper was a sublime piece of skill and you think it was a given it should be scored?

As for Moly's 2nd goal tonight I am far from convinced he intended it as a shot but what is indisputable is that he put the ball into a danger area making it virtually impossible to defend which we have all been bemoaning our inability to do this season.

Gaz, you have seriously dented any credibility you thought you had.  One on ones are not an open goal and require composure to finish, we see plenty missed.  Moly's first goal last night was another great opportunist finish but the defender's error that led to it only happened due to Moly chasing down the defender and causing his error, you totally ignored that because it doesn't suit your agenda.  His one on one which he chipped over the keeper was a sublime piece of skill and you think it was a given it should be scored?

As for Moly's 2nd goal tonight I am far from convinced he intended it as a shot but what is indisputable is that he put the ball into a danger area making it virtually impossible to defend which we have all been bemoaning our inability to do this season.

You are really not getting the point.

Sorry, but it just comes off negative to me.

From my perspective:

He made himself available to float a cross perfectly for Bailey to nod back for the first goal.

He pressed on his own for the second, caused the problem, and finished beautifully.

He orchestrated the third and did what he should - ball into the corridor of uncertainly.

Could do no more and did a lot more creatively than most on a dump of a pitch.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: philsky on January 30, 2025, 10:09:05 am
I think molyneux would be a good candidate for a huge flag surfer banner, or TIFO display for the palace game.
To show him our support, and we are with him with any mental health issues.



I'll contribute.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Bessie Red on January 30, 2025, 10:13:37 am
Sorry GazLaz, but I just do not get you comments.
Yes the first goal was a bad mistake by their player, however mols was there to press the guy and was on the front foot for any such mistake. So therefore not a total gift, surely you have to give credit for that!

With the second, i am sure mols will say it was was a cross or shot, however whichever it was, he created the space and provided a ball into the danger area.

I sometimes get frustrated with mols, but this is because the guy is so talented, i don,t think it helps when he is playing too far out, and would like to see him playing more towards the centre.

One things for certain, he should not be getting the level of abuse that has occurred over the last few months.

Yes, his work rate is good. He closed down the keeper from the first kick off which made me think they saw a weakness in the way Barrow pass the ball back from kick offs.

As for gifts, I see this as a chance that hugely outweighs the effort and creativity put in to achieve it. Last nights chance and the Gills change came about by absolute howlers by opposition players. Clinical finishes, but put on a plate.

I’m judging the teams results in the last 3 games as fortunate rather than Luke and his performances. We’ve had a freak little spell of fortune, surely people can acknowledge that.
There is a view that you can create your own luck & at this level it can be easier to do this due to the players abilities. Luke first goal last night was a case in kind. Yes it was a mistake by their defender however the mistake was forced by Luke pressing with intensity. Once one on one with the keeper a player of Luke's ability would be expected to score which he did. That is not luck/a fluke.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 30, 2025, 10:36:50 am
Molyneux was excellent last night. He constantly found space and caused them problems all night. You're not going to see a much more dominant performance from a winger in this division.

The quality of the ball in for the first goal and his strike for the second were WAY above this level.

We'd be bowing "we're not worthy" if we'd seen an opposing player perform like that against us.

More generally, I thought the overall tempo last night was much better. That's the first time this season I've seen us move the ball quickly enough to pull holes in a low block defence. I thought Ennis was poor on Saturday, but he was instrumental last night. Pulling defenders over to cover him then quickly and accurately pushing the ball inside to exploit gaps down the opposite flank.

More of that and we'll be ok.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: drfchound on January 30, 2025, 10:41:03 am
Molyneux was excellent last night. He constantly found space and caused them problems all night. You're not going to see a much more dominant performance from a winger in this division.

The quality of the ball in for the first goal and his strike for the second were WAY above this level.

We'd be bowing "we're not worthy" if we'd seen an opposing player perform like that against us.

More generally, I thought the overall tempo last night was much better. That's the first time this season I've seen us move the ball quickly enough to pull holes in a low block defence. I thought Ennis was poor on Saturday, but he was instrumental last night. Pulling defenders over to cover him then quickly and accurately pushing the ball inside to exploit gaps down the opposite flank.

More of that and we'll be ok.

That bit I have highlighted is exactly what we have needed to give Mols opportunities to cause havoc on the other wing.
It is what happened last season after we signed Haks.
Teams will find it hard to double up on Mols if we have someone on the other side of the pitch who can contribute like Haks did last season.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: mpc123 on January 30, 2025, 10:54:15 am
Sorry GazLaz, but I just do not get you comments.
Yes the first goal was a bad mistake by their player, however mols was there to press the guy and was on the front foot for any such mistake. So therefore not a total gift, surely you have to give credit for that!

With the second, i am sure mols will say it was was a cross or shot, however whichever it was, he created the space and provided a ball into the danger area.

I sometimes get frustrated with mols, but this is because the guy is so talented, i don,t think it helps when he is playing too far out, and would like to see him playing more towards the centre.

One things for certain, he should not be getting the level of abuse that has occurred over the last few months.

Yes, his work rate is good. He closed down the keeper from the first kick off which made me think they saw a weakness in the way Barrow pass the ball back from kick offs.

As for gifts, I see this as a chance that hugely outweighs the effort and creativity put in to achieve it. Last nights chance and the Gills change came about by absolute howlers by opposition players. Clinical finishes, but put on a plate.

I’m judging the teams results in the last 3 games as fortunate rather than Luke and his performances. We’ve had a freak little spell of fortune, surely people can acknowledge that.
It doesn't make sense, you say you are judging the teams performances, yet look at the title of the thread.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: BillyStubbsTears on January 30, 2025, 11:01:32 am
Sorry GazLaz, but I just do not get you comments.
Yes the first goal was a bad mistake by their player, however mols was there to press the guy and was on the front foot for any such mistake. So therefore not a total gift, surely you have to give credit for that!

With the second, i am sure mols will say it was was a cross or shot, however whichever it was, he created the space and provided a ball into the danger area.

I sometimes get frustrated with mols, but this is because the guy is so talented, i don,t think it helps when he is playing too far out, and would like to see him playing more towards the centre.

One things for certain, he should not be getting the level of abuse that has occurred over the last few months.

Yes, his work rate is good. He closed down the keeper from the first kick off which made me think they saw a weakness in the way Barrow pass the ball back from kick offs.

As for gifts, I see this as a chance that hugely outweighs the effort and creativity put in to achieve it. Last nights chance and the Gills change came about by absolute howlers by opposition players. Clinical finishes, but put on a plate.

I’m judging the teams results in the last 3 games as fortunate rather than Luke and his performances. We’ve had a freak little spell of fortune, surely people can acknowledge that.

At the moment, I think I'd broadly agree with that.

We weren't sparkling against Gillingham and we were really quite poor against Harrogate. On balance of play in those two games, we couldn't really have complained if we'd picked up 2-3 points, rather than 6, but two shocking defensive errors helped us out. The dice rolling our way.

Last night was a better performance and a clearly deserved win, with it without the mistake for the second goal. The optimist in me thinks Crew and Ennis settling in could be the difference. They were both excellent last night and hopefully will give us that extra bit of zip that's been lacking most of the season.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Plumbster on January 30, 2025, 11:07:52 am
I agree, last night was the first time in a while I thought we looked genuine top 3. I also thought it was Bailey’s best game of the season which might just be coincidence, but the new boys are making an instant impact which is great credit to them.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Pancho Regan on January 30, 2025, 11:13:02 am
Gaz, you have seriously dented any credibility you thought you had.  One on ones are not an open goal and require composure to finish, we see plenty missed.  Moly's first goal last night was another great opportunist finish but the defender's error that led to it only happened due to Moly chasing down the defender and causing his error, you totally ignored that because it doesn't suit your agenda.  His one on one which he chipped over the keeper was a sublime piece of skill and you think it was a given it should be scored?

As for Moly's 2nd goal tonight I am far from convinced he intended it as a shot but what is indisputable is that he put the ball into a danger area making it virtually impossible to defend which we have all been bemoaning our inability to do this season.

You are really not getting the point.

No, I think several of us on here have got the point quite clearly.

For reasons best known to yourself you prefer to call Moly's first goal last night a "gift" rather than give him the credit for making it happen. Which is what he did by chasing the defender down and forcing an error, then going on to beat the 'keeper.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: pib on January 30, 2025, 11:19:31 am
I would agree that 2 of the goals last night had an element of fortune, and definitely the one at Gillingham too. What I will say though is that I think it's more acceptable (for want of a better word) to win a game like that away from home. Home teams will generally be expected to make things happen more, so waiting for the opportunities to come to you and pouncing on weaknesses/mistakes rather than imposing your own style is fine in games like last night and at Gillingham I think. Not to mention that it doesn't seem to suit us to be "dominant" and have the strangle hold on possession.

However, the pressing issue still remains at home, and how we break teams down. Next four at home are Grimsby, Newport, Swindon and Carlisle. If they've watched us, they'll set up like Harrogate and try to nick something. I'm not sure how we go about it, but we need to find a formula for getting through these teams when they try to frustrate us. I think it's more of a Sbarra/Hurst/Gibson shaped solution than a Clifton one at home, and getting runners behind to try to stretch the opposition more. But we still need to find a way of playing that suits these players better.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Barmby Rover on January 30, 2025, 11:46:24 am
I have also been critical of Mols, not of him but his form up to a few weeks ago he was struggling to break anything down, and I wondered if a fit and hungry Hurst would do the job better for a while, but he has answered his critics well in the last 2-3 weeks, and seems to have his motivation back. Good luck to him, and how fortunate we are with a fully firing Mols back, every player has their off times, as do teams, we have had a non too expensive quiet period, fingers crossed Mols and the team can shift up a gear now and finish the season off well.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Alan Southstand on January 30, 2025, 11:50:37 am
An element of fortune - like their keeper getting away with a red card challenge and their striker scoring with his hand/arm? You mean that kind of fortune?

We thoroughly deserved that win last night - no if’s, no but’s - a great 3 points well deserved.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: MachoMadness on January 30, 2025, 11:56:41 am
We deserved the win last night, Moly played well, and we benefitted from a couple of slices of luck that we can't rely on getting every week. All of that can be true.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Pancho Regan on January 30, 2025, 12:02:39 pm
An element of fortune - like their keeper getting away with a red card challenge and their striker scoring with his hand/arm? You mean that kind of fortune?

We thoroughly deserved that win last night - no if’s, no but’s - a great 3 points well deserved.

Dead right Alan.

Several Barrow fans felt their keeper got away with it when he took Moly out. Also praise from them about the way we were playing them off the park in the first half and that they got lucky with their goal.

As I left the ground I heard a Barrow fan say to her partner "They are a good footballing side though aren't they?".

Listening to the opposition fans is often a good guide as to how well you've played.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: pib on January 30, 2025, 12:07:52 pm
An element of fortune - like their keeper getting away with a red card challenge and their striker scoring with his hand/arm? You mean that kind of fortune?

We thoroughly deserved that win last night - no if’s, no but’s - a great 3 points well deserved.

I didn't say that we didn't deserve the win, or that Barrow didn't have any fortune either, just that two of our goals had an element of fortune.

Difficult to disagree with that I'd say? Or if making a point about one specific thing, should I make sure to caveat and quantify absolutely every thought adjacent to it?

Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Pancho Regan on January 30, 2025, 12:12:41 pm
One of many very complimentary comments on the Barrow fans' forum:

"Doncaster are comfortably the best side I have seen us play against at Holker street this season. Technically very very good and well organised. In Luke Molyneux the have arguably one of the best players in league 2.
I wouldn't say we were dreadful just Doncaster were very good."
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Usher wide. on January 30, 2025, 01:28:02 pm
Gaz, you have seriously dented any credibility you thought you had.  One on ones are not an open goal and require composure to finish, we see plenty missed.  Moly's first goal last night was another great opportunist finish but the defender's error that led to it only happened due to Moly chasing down the defender and causing his error, you totally ignored that because it doesn't suit your agenda.  His one on one which he chipped over the keeper was a sublime piece of skill and you think it was a given it should be scored?

As for Moly's 2nd goal tonight I am far from convinced he intended it as a shot but what is indisputable is that he put the ball into a danger area making it virtually impossible to defend which we have all been bemoaning our inability to do this season.

You are really not getting the point.

I think it’s you that’s not getting the point.

As someone has already posted, without Molyneaux’s contributions this season we certainly wouldn’t be sat in second spot in the division.

He is without doubt the stand out player in the side. First name on the team sheet.

You’ve stated in the past that Maxwell was the most ‘valuable’ player at the club. After last night’s game you ‘gave that accolade’ to Olowu.

IF we had to lose one player between Molyneaux, Olowu or Maxwell, I reckon the majority of supporters (certainly on this forum) would vote to ‘lose’ Maxwell, Olowu, Molyneaux, in that order.

Hopefully we will be promoted this season & have the luxury of all three wanting to stay.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Chris Black come back on January 30, 2025, 04:20:05 pm
He’s got strengths, he’s got weaknesses. Two things he definitely has though are a tremendous work rate and a load of stats over the last two seasons that are very impressive.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Copps is Magic on January 30, 2025, 05:33:35 pm
He's our best player. Why is there a debate over our best player?
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: mpc123 on January 30, 2025, 05:52:08 pm
He's our best player. Why is there a debate over our best player?

Exactly, the debate is exactly that. I find it very strange how he can even be questioned. Everybody has dips in form. It's how us as supporters, support them through it. When you have stats like his it is not lack of effort. If it is lack of effort then that needs to be questioned. LM sits nowhere near that category. I'm actually ashamed that this has even happened.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: selby on January 30, 2025, 05:59:24 pm
Like every winger apart from the very very best every generation has, a little inconsistent,  but when on it exciting and a game changer, enjoy him when he is on it, he is a game changer at our level, but not a Best, Saka, or Garincha, but a good important player for us, and to his credit a grafter off the ball, which is really important to us.
  And a good lad in the dressing room to have, and as recent revelations have brought out into the open cares deeply.
  We can't expect any more of a player, and he fully deserves our support.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: JonWallsend on January 30, 2025, 07:05:46 pm
Just my opinion but Luke Molyneux is a very good player. His goals and assists this season have managed to fire us up to second in the league.
However, I can tell unequivocally  that Luke Molyneux  is a fantastic human being,  a proper family  person, a super role model, someone who cares about this club and is desperate to fire us into league one.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Lesonthewest on January 30, 2025, 08:00:14 pm
Sorry GazLaz, but I just do not get you comments.
Yes the first goal was a bad mistake by their player, however mols was there to press the guy and was on the front foot for any such mistake. So therefore not a total gift, surely you have to give credit for that!

With the second, i am sure mols will say it was was a cross or shot, however whichever it was, he created the space and provided a ball into the danger area.

I sometimes get frustrated with mols, but this is because the guy is so talented, i don,t think it helps when he is playing too far out, and would like to see him playing more towards the centre.

One things for certain, he should not be getting the level of abuse that has occurred over the last few months.

He was excellent last night, quicker with & without the ball, & his finish was as clinical as they come. Looks like the abuse has effected his game, & that's disgraceful. Yes it's a very small minority & he must recognise that, but we really need to get behind the lad in the stands because when he's on it, he could well make the difference in the run in. We need to show him we are right behind him.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: mpc123 on January 30, 2025, 08:05:53 pm
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/enjoying-football-again-doncaster-rovers-luke-molyneux-on-silencing-his-social-media-critics-4968362?d

Dead chuffed for LM, there are some sad sacks on social media.... grow up.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: andyst79 on January 30, 2025, 08:06:25 pm
People were right to question his form at that moment in time, as usual though a minority take it too far. The best way to answer the critics is to perform on the pitch which he's doing at present. Hopefully the whole experience has galvanised him and he's come out stronger for it the other side.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Lesonthewest on January 30, 2025, 08:07:18 pm
Retaining Molineux for this season was the best business done, I doubt we would  now be in an automatic promorltion position without him in the side.

Yes makes me wonder had he not received the abuse, it wouldn't have effected him & we may have had a few more points on the board.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Lesonthewest on January 30, 2025, 08:20:52 pm
I think molyneux would be a good candidate for a huge flag surfer banner, or TIFO display for the palace game.
To show him our support, and we are with him with any mental health issues.



I'll contribute.

Me too.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Red wizard on January 30, 2025, 08:26:34 pm
That's the difference..   

Constantly pull out slight negatives, everybody has them. Say he was gifted goals when they are good finishes and difficult holding off defenders, speed required to get there. This is why quite a few talents coming to doncaste rovers the years have amounted to nothing. Get behind them, positive, help drive them forward and help them get to be a better player, rather than drag off and say he hasn't got the mentality.
There's a different way to the typical Doncaster way.

We can all achieve something with 90% positivity and drive, not skill.

We ALL need people behind us helping though, not hindering.

We have a decent tone, get really behind him, infact quite a few decent ones at the moment. He does stand out though.

The goals can both be “gifts” and ok finishes can’t they. The one on ones he has scored you would expect him to. I’m not sure any of that is incorrect.
Gaz I 100% get what your saying and your also bang on saying he won't get given them chances every week. However, you say he should score them but how many players at our level miss them a week. He still has alot to do. He's our best player by far in our attacking department and probably the best wide player in our league. People see to much top level football now and forget what level we play at.  Not saying you Gaz as you are one of the more knowledgeable posters on here
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Red wizard on January 30, 2025, 08:29:03 pm
He's our best player. Why is there a debate over our best player?
Attacking wise. We have good players all over Tbf for the level we are.
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: pib on January 31, 2025, 08:52:07 am
He's our best player. Why is there a debate over our best player?

Our best players always tend to get a lot of stick for some bizarre reason. Marquis was the same despite scoring 26, 15, and 26 in his three seasons with us. And the criticism Copps used to get is airbrushed from history now.

Perhaps it's people's frustration that they're not consistently great all the time. But how many players are at the level we operate at?
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: graingrover on January 31, 2025, 09:23:19 am
The most important point concerning Molyneux and his performances lately is what he has to say about the effects of social media on players .He reminds us they are human beings !  .
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: Usher wide. on January 31, 2025, 09:47:33 am
The most important point concerning Molyneux and his performances lately is what he has to say about the effects of social media on players .He reminds us they are human beings !  .

It reminds those who use social media that if you take seriously & too personally everything that is posted about you, on any of these platforms, then it’s time to put that tablet or whatever away &  ‘immerse yourself in the real world’ again where you can look people in the face, listen & ‘feel’ where you are in reality.

I don’t & never have felt the need to go online to find out about Mrs Carter’s daughter’s trip to Nepal where she met a man who was once married to a Yeti…….or was that The Sun?
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: i_ateallthepies on January 31, 2025, 10:40:21 am
He's our best player. Why is there a debate over our best player?

Our best players always tend to get a lot of stick for some bizarre reason. Marquis was the same despite scoring 26, 15, and 26 in his three seasons with us. And the criticism Copps used to get is airbrushed from history now.

Perhaps it's people's frustration that they're not consistently great all the time. But how many players are at the level we operate at?


Yes, I remember 'his legs have gone' comments about Copps when he was in his early thirties... f***ing numbnuts!!
Title: Re: Molyneux
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on January 31, 2025, 11:25:44 am
The most important point concerning Molyneux and his performances lately is what he has to say about the effects of social media on players .He reminds us they are human beings !  .


I'm sure they'll be other players in the squad who need support, just like Moly who everyone's talking about at the moment. But some folk won't even think about that before hurling personal abuse from the terraces or social media.