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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: donnyguy on December 04, 2024, 03:06:46 pm
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https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2024/december/04/kuleya-recalled-from-truro-city-loan/
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A very polite 'thank you to Truro for helping with Tavonga's development' from Rovers.
I suspect that might be through gritted teeth, because he hasn't started a single game for them and I think the earliest he's been brought on as a sub in any game was the 70th minute.
To my untrained eye that looks like a waste of a loan for the lad.
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To many of these young players have shown in men’s football that they are not good enough to keep any longer
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To many of these young players have shown in men’s football that they are not good enough to keep any longer
It’s a shame but very true
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Definitely a shame but it doesn’t look great for the lad
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At every loan he has had he has been just a bench warmer and not good enough.
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Football is all about opinions, McCann seems to like him, the other managers he’s been in loan with him might not rate him
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Ultimately, at whatever club you find yourself at, whether that be a loan deal seen as part of your development by your ‘senior club’ or a loan to bring you ‘up to fitness’, you have to accept & grasp it as a ‘positive’.
The alternative, despite all the ‘smoke you may have had blown up your arse’ from the age of eight will come to nothing.
It’s down to you ‘son’.
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That felt like a hospital pass of a loan. At that young age it is hard enough being farmed out and expected to make an impact in just a few weeks but especially if you are shuffled off to literally the end of the earth, with no friends or family nearby. At thar young age you need to be right mentally to make an immediate impact.
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Definitely a shame but it doesn’t look great for the lad
shame as when I saw him two years ago away at Wimbledon, he looked like he had something about him?
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Wasn't he bvoted MoM in a game last season when he came on as a sub for 20mins?
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He was liked and has changed at least one game when coming on. They are flying at the moment so having having less opportunities to get on. They're sad to see him go and think it's come from Doncaster side as he's not getting enough game time.
Live down Cornwall and kind of following their progress now they are back in Truro this season
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That felt like a hospital pass of a loan. At that young age it is hard enough being farmed out and expected to make an impact in just a few weeks but especially if you are shuffled off to literally the end of the earth, with no friends or family nearby. At thar young age you need to be right mentally to make an immediate impact.
I wondered that at the time. Is it the new ‘sent to Coventry’? But we don’t know the details. There were probably solid reasons why it was a good idea. The club must weigh it all up and look after their players. Living in Cornwall in July, August, September onwards wouldn’t be a bad option. Or maybe he has family or a mate nearby that made it a good option. Or maybe a clean break from ‘home’ was a good option for a while.
Get some games in and come back to us in a better position. As it happens he’s played 102 minutes for a club in Cornwall rather than 10+ full games for a team much nearer. Let’s see what happens next.
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In pre-season games that I saw videos of he looked full of confidence taking opponents on in one-to-one situations and was certainly not shy ,activcdly looking for the ball .You might call him a ' confidence ' player meaning that at this stage of life / career he needs a. sympathetic coach who shows belief in him .
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Truro are top of Conf South with a settled team.
Why would their manager change a winning team to give more game time to a learning youngster, when the points are totting up under the side selected?
Tav needed a break when injuries/suspensions gave him a chance to make a claim.
Better to come back and try another option, just like Goodman at Bradford PA.
Sometimes folk jump on the "not good enough" bandwagon without considering other factors at play.
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He is nearly a year older than Faulkner ( he went abroad) and nearly two years older than Flint who could well be involved in the first team this season.
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Gone to Belper on loan.
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Gone on loan to Belper Town, 3rd in the Northern Premier Division One East for the rest of the season. Not a terrific level but hopefully he gets some games.
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Still a good level though.
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Made his debut for Belper away at Garforth the other night, played out wide on the left and looked impressive by all accounts before being subbed late on.
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I think the lad has got a lot of ability.
Hope he gets a lot of game time at Belper and really makes a mark.
The lad deserves a break.
He is very capable of playing at a decent level imo.
Sometimes the physicality of non league football isn’t conducive to a lad who very good running with the ball.
That’s something he will have to get to grips with if he is going to make a career in the EFL or National League.
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Surely we'd have been better suited giving this lad the opportunities that Yeboah has had this season. Can't imagine he'd had done any worse.
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Scored the opener for Belper in a 1-1 draw at Brighouse at the weekend. Got a full 90 minutes under his belt too.
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A flick from about one yard out apparently.... but at least he was in the right place.
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Comments from Belper Town's Manager:
(Tav) is a real thorn in the side, isn’t he? He’s sharp and I like him, he’s direct and we probably need to get him facing their goal a little more. Today he was in a fight especially in the second half a lot of the time, playing with his back to goal.
He handled his body quite well today for a young lad, so we’re pleased with him, and I think he’ll only get better on the better surfaces especially when we play at home, I think he’s going to be a live wire for us.
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Still a good level though.
Agreed hound.
The same division as Jack Goodman at Bradford PA
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A flick from about one yard out apparently.... but at least he was in the right place.
Counts the same as one from 25yards though.
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Goal and celebration..... pitch looks heavy(ish)
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Another goal for Tav today at Bradford PA, in a 3.2 win for Belper;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F3zfh3JPcs
That's the 3rd now, after his header the other day.
Lots of Rovers connections here.
The Belper winner is scored by Jack Watson, ex Rovers junior.
BPA had Ben Blythe in defense, with Goodman and Brown on the bench, alongside Bojang, another Rovers junior.
Goodman got on near the end.
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Its a worry for goodman being on the bench at that level
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Its a worry for goodman being on the bench at that level
He’s no good is he.
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Tavonga Kuleya injured and out for the season, according to the Belper Town manager.
He does not say what the injury is, but bad luck for the lad.
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Max Anderson was playing for Cleethorpes at the same level last season and scoring goals as an u18s player three years younger than Kuleya and we let him go.
We have had three success's as outfield players on loan Faulkner, Flint and Adamson and Brown at Bradford PA has done ok to a point, the rest have spent more time on the bench.
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Will two latest success’s come back and be able to consistently play in the first team or will they get picked up by other league sides to continue with their improvement. Our record of getting our young players into first team league football has been poor to non existent
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Both good players, both attracting other clubs Steve, Faulkner obviously the first test of our resolve and basically is entitled to talk to other clubs now which you would expect his agent to be doing.
He hasn't had a good eighteen months with injury but is flying at the moment which clubs have noticed, Flint has done well all season and will be on show at Scunthorpe tonight no doubt and both are attracting attention, and in Flint's case a player that definitely will not be at Darlington next season and will play higher, hopefully here as still under contract for next season, with basically Faulkner in the same situation but at the end of his contract in June.
Both don't need to worry and are good enough to have a career in football where ever that is, again hopefully here.
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I would put faith entirely in Brant has sussed out the mentalities of these young players, seen their potential, and more importantly measured all that against our needs for the immediate future .He has been through all of this before .
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Will two latest success’s come back and be able to consistently play in the first team or will they get picked up by other league sides to continue with their improvement. Our record of getting our young players into first team league football has been poor to non existent
That last sentence is true but it’s also true that we’ve not seen many (any?) departures we’d regret beyond Watters (and I don’t think he actually came through the youths system). Mandeville has forged a professional career but this is the first season he’s actually been at the same level as us in the 5 or 6 since he left, Danny Amos played a bit at Grimsby and Brandon Horton a bit at Chesterfield but other than that has anyone actually played elsewhere at a decent level after leaving us in the past 10 years?
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James Husband
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James Husband
He played a lot in our first team and was sold for a fee. I’m talking about players who we’ve released who have come back to bite us.
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Nick you are probably right, but it is nowhere near the number of loan players that have been signed that have contributed next to nothing, or the money wasted on players we have signed ourselves that have also contributed next to nothing.
And at least the Academy lads cost us very little in wages when first signed, in many cases you could sign three or four first year pros for the price of one player brought into the club.
There is no such thing as a free transfer now, and we are asking players 18 years old without a u21s to be up to the mark, where other clubs have a pathway after youth football, ours don't only have to have the skills, they are expected to have the strength of grown men and match their experience of professional football from the off.
Faulkner and Flint are exceptional.
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I remember watching Max Watters play at the eco power in some sort of reserve team game shortly before he left us. He was magnificent that night and I was genuinely amazed that we let him go.
I also remember another reserve game at the training ground when we had a couple of very promising triallists playing. After one of them scored a brilliant goal I looked around to see if Darren Moore had seen it. He was wandering around with his back to the pitch apparently having an argument with someone on his mobile phone.
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I used to watch all the u18s games at Cantley at one time and especially when Darren Moore was manager, I never once saw him leave the office block to watch a game, unlike all the other managers we have had, especially Wellens and McSheffrey who always payed a visit if they were there.
They were also the first ones to send them out on loan and have them up from the then training complex at the Keepmoat to Cantley to train with the first team if they thought they were good enough.
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Heard before that Moore was a lazy git with no interest in developing our youth