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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: MachoMadness on December 06, 2024, 02:36:54 pm
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Grant getting ahead of the game in time for January - we've put a loan offer in for a forward who can play across the front three. Let the wild speculation commence. https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/grant-mccann-makes-big-doncaster-rovers-transfer-admission-as-january-window-looms-4899205
Imagine this means Yeboah will be sent back in January though.
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Also hear McCann
https://youtu.be/75QQ7kyNkAg?si=gfahYqVo8fD-eyiu
Note he refers to the player as 'the boy' so suggests he's a young player.
Quite ironic given his reasons for Miller leaving but, I'm sure we can see the logic in bringing in some cover, and hopefully goalscoring talent, for Joe and Billy.
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Could it be Louie Marsh back from Sheff u
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Also hear McCann
https://youtu.be/75QQ7kyNkAg?si=gfahYqVo8fD-eyiu
Note he refers to the player as 'the boy' so suggests he's a young player.
Quite ironic given his reasons for Miller leaving but, I'm sure we can see the logic in bringing in some cover, and hopefully goalscoring talent, for Joe and Billy.
The boy, please don't go all Mickey Walker on us, Grant.....
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Quite ironic given his reasons for Miller leaving but, I'm sure we can see the logic in bringing in some cover, and hopefully goalscoring talent, for Joe and Billy.
Underlined by this last week’s games: Billy Sharp has played 2 tough games already this week and I’d imagine GM will want him to start tomorrow. He’s 39 in February!
I sincerely hope he’s looking for a midfielder as well.
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You would think a young striker would jump at the chance to join us in January until the end of season, 3rd round of the FA Cup, 3rd in League 2, playing in front of 7000+ crowds ( home ) , that has got to be better than U21s league in front of a few hundred. Also a chance to get noticed ie Louie Barry at Stockport
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Maybe it's also a sign that we're going two up top more often for the rest of the season.
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At least the imminent threat of losing Billy to a ban has subsided “ five yellow cards before game-week 19 must serve a one-game ban”
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He mentioned that he can play accross the front line. I imagine he wants a different option perhaps a bit more pace as we do lack raw pace up front.
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Really difficult to guess as we seem to have good communications with a good number of clubs.
Interesting in his interview, he says he has not contacted the boy yet, seems to me like he has contact details, so good indication he knows the boy.
Marsh would be one such possibility, but just wonder if the lad from man utd may be a possibility. He spent the week with us and was someone who could play across the front 3?
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Quite ironic given his reasons for Miller leaving but, I'm sure we can see the logic in bringing in some cover, and hopefully goalscoring talent, for Joe and Billy.
Underlined by this last week’s games: Billy Sharp has played 2 tough games already this week and I’d imagine GM will want him to start tomorrow. He’s 39 in February!
I sincerely hope he’s looking for a midfielder as well.
Billy is in 283 goals scored or so and he’s on record as wanting to score 300 before he retires , so he’ll want to play in every game this season !!
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I haven't heard Grant say it's a loan bid, in either Dee Dah or FP video have I missed something?
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Marsh not the kind of striker we need. Need someone who plays on the shoulder of the last defender.
Who’s the Man U lad?
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Grant talks about the offer in his pre match interview, and says they hope to hear in the next few days.
Not sure about his name, but he one of the two who spent the week with us recently when 2 of our boys went to Man Utd for the week
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I haven't heard Grant say it's a loan bid, in either Dee Dah or FP video have I missed something?
Yeah you missed it mate, defo said loan.
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Bit of a punt, best guess would be Lincoln’s Freddie Draper. Which would fit pretty well.
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Also hear McCann
https://youtu.be/75QQ7kyNkAg?si=gfahYqVo8fD-eyiu
Note he refers to the player as 'the boy' so suggests he's a young player.
Quite ironic given his reasons for Miller leaving but, I'm sure we can see the logic in bringing in some cover, and hopefully goalscoring talent, for Joe and Billy.
George wanted to leave
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Also hear McCann
https://youtu.be/75QQ7kyNkAg?si=gfahYqVo8fD-eyiu
Note he refers to the player as 'the boy' so suggests he's a young player.
Quite ironic given his reasons for Miller leaving but, I'm sure we can see the logic in bringing in some cover, and hopefully goalscoring talent, for Joe and Billy.
George wanted to leave
He didn’t want to sit on the subs bench for 40 games is how I read it really.
You can’t blame him for that.
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Also hear McCann
https://youtu.be/75QQ7kyNkAg?si=gfahYqVo8fD-eyiu
Note he refers to the player as 'the boy' so suggests he's a young player.
Quite ironic given his reasons for Miller leaving but, I'm sure we can see the logic in bringing in some cover, and hopefully goalscoring talent, for Joe and Billy.
George wanted to leave
That's understandable.
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Think Marsh is a good shout.
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Northern Irish lad from Rotherham said to be going out on loan in Jan..?
https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/new-move-on-cards-for-rotherham-uniteds-ciaran-mcguckin-4893900
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I think this is looking more in Gibsons position and McCann realising he’s dropped a clanger signing him. The return from that position hasn’t been good enough.
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Also hear McCann
https://youtu.be/75QQ7kyNkAg?si=gfahYqVo8fD-eyiu
Note he refers to the player as 'the boy' so suggests he's a young player.
Quite ironic given his reasons for Miller leaving but, I'm sure we can see the logic in bringing in some cover, and hopefully goalscoring talent, for Joe and Billy.
George wanted to leave
He didn’t want to sit on the subs bench for 40 games is how I read it really.
You can’t blame him for that.
Just stating he wanted to leave, not saying I blame the lad.
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Also hear McCann
https://youtu.be/75QQ7kyNkAg?si=gfahYqVo8fD-eyiu
Note he refers to the player as 'the boy' so suggests he's a young player.
Quite ironic given his reasons for Miller leaving but, I'm sure we can see the logic in bringing in some cover, and hopefully goalscoring talent, for Joe and Billy.
George wanted to leave
That's understandable.
I agree, no issues with the lad and wish him the best.
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Think Marsh is a good shout.
Not for me thanks. He was a striker who sat deep and wanted ball. IMO that is not something we need right now when we have a surplus of attacking midfielders.
Nothing to do with Marsh or what he can/can't do. Just 100% to do with what WE need at the minute.
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I think this is looking more in Gibsons position and McCann realising he’s dropped a clanger signing him. The return from that position hasn’t been good enough.
I think it might be someone Grant wants to give competition/another option to Moly,when he said he was getting frustrated with our lack of scoring upfront,making poor decisions in front of goal was a similar statement and which I think he might be thinking of Moly in particular or Moly and Gibbo,hence dropping Moly to bench Wed,Hurst and Gibson are currently Moly's competition and maybe Gibbo is not coming up trumps enough to be competition at minute,so another option for here could be the target.
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Check out the Irish lad from Rotherham .He was interviewed at Yeovil Town couple of times on signing then post match.A big strong 20 year old , tall ,broad shouldered and level headed and a Northern Irish junior International . Ciaran McGukin .
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Don’t want to be a party pooper but wasn’t the term “can play anywhere across the front” once used to use Jordy Hiwula lol
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Anywhere across the front ..North Pier , South Pier !
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Don’t want to be a party pooper but wasn’t the term “can play anywhere across the front” once used to use Jordy Hiwula lol
I think with the support of Terry Bramall and GM as manager we won’t be making those type of signings in the foreseeable future. Well never again preferably !!!
David Blunt has left the building. I don’t think any more needs to be said really dude. :)
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Northern Irish lad from Rotherham said to be going out on loan in Jan..?
https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/new-move-on-cards-for-rotherham-uniteds-ciaran-mcguckin-4893900
Seems to tick a few boxes...until the part in the article that says he's likely to go out after Rotherham have done their January transfer business. GM infers he wants to get the business done early, hence the offer going in now...which would rule this kid out.
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It was said a loan bid and a player that cast across the front three therefore this might mean Yeboah could be going back in January or not we don’t know.
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Tommy Rowe will no doubt be Interested in pushing his star boys our way, to help all parties concerned
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After today, I hope we lock Archer in the building and put a pen in his hand.
He absolutely killed us, and nearly won it for Cheltenham today in last minute.
Him on the opposite side to Molyneux would be on my new year wish list.
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He looked very strong, athletic, aware of what was happening around him. I would say his was the best forward displays we’ve seen against us this season.
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Tommy Rowe will no doubt be Interested in pushing his star boys our way, to help all parties concerned
Their u21s striker Wheatley who played against us is linked with Wrexham and Stockport so it’s unlikely to be him!
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I would guess that one of Close and Westbrooke is going out in January either loan or permanent. For them not to be making the squad on anything like a regular basis, is a lot of money sat in the stands each week. Maybe also some of the younger lads leaving permanently who haven't made an impact under McCann - Goodman, Kuleya, Degruchy, Jones and Faulkner. You would imagine Yeboah moved on also. Interesting to see what happens with Fleming and Emmanuel.
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Absolutely criminal how westbrooke is kept out of the team by broadbent
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Absolutely criminal how westbrooke is kept out of the team by broadbent
He's only just come back from injury has he not? So I'm presuming he's not fully match fit
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Absolutely criminal how westbrooke is kept out of the team by broadbent
I know your just pulling people's chains, but is that the same Broadbent who was MoM yesterday...?
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Absolutely criminal how westbrooke is kept out of the team by broadbent
You’ve moved on from Olowu being your scapegoat then?
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Tommy Rowe will no doubt be Interested in pushing his star boys our way, to help all parties concerned
Their u21s striker Wheatley who played against us is linked with Wrexham and Stockport so it’s unlikely to be him!
If Tommy Rowe has a say, and thinks the player might get more football at Doncaster, then I wouldn't rule it out. The fact that the club has made such an early offer, and made it public, suggests we are setting our sights very high.
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Northern Irish lad from Rotherham said to be going out on loan in Jan..?
https://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/sport/football/rotherham-united/new-move-on-cards-for-rotherham-uniteds-ciaran-mcguckin-4893900
Seems to tick a few boxes...until the part in the article that says he's likely to go out after Rotherham have done their January transfer business. GM infers he wants to get the business done early, hence the offer going in now...which would rule this kid out.
Maybe not. He did recently play against us in that behind-closed-doors game in which we lost…
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Ethan Ennis a decent player in Man U academy. Always a risk with youngsters but knows where the net is.
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How do we know it's a youngster ,it may well be a seasoned pro out of favour at his club and out of contract in the summer
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Rich - read reply No1 on page 1 of this thread!
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Grant getting ahead of the game in time for January - we've put a loan offer in for a forward who can play across the front three. Let the wild speculation commence. https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/grant-mccann-makes-big-doncaster-rovers-transfer-admission-as-january-window-looms-4899205
Imagine this means Yeboah will be sent back in January though.
According to my Bristol City supporting mate Yeboah will be going back in January as City are not happy with how little game time he is getting. He reckons he will be going into their first team squad rather than a further loan!?
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Grant getting ahead of the game in time for January - we've put a loan offer in for a forward who can play across the front three. Let the wild speculation commence. https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/grant-mccann-makes-big-doncaster-rovers-transfer-admission-as-january-window-looms-4899205
Imagine this means Yeboah will be sent back in January though.
According to my Bristol City supporting mate Yeboah will be going back in January as City are not happy with how little game time he is getting. He reckons he will be going into their first team squad rather than a further loan!?
I will give him a lift home
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Tommy Rowe will no doubt be Interested in pushing his star boys our way, to help all parties concerned
Genuinely, why?
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Grant getting ahead of the game in time for January - we've put a loan offer in for a forward who can play across the front three. Let the wild speculation commence. https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/grant-mccann-makes-big-doncaster-rovers-transfer-admission-as-january-window-looms-4899205
Imagine this means Yeboah will be sent back in January though.
According to my Bristol City supporting mate Yeboah will be going back in January as City are not happy with how little game time he is getting. He reckons he will be going into their first team squad rather than a further loan!?
I've got more chance of getting in their squad than him.
He's the first "professional footballer " I've seen that's tried to control a ball with both knees at the same time.
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He’s not as bad as some of the loans we’ve had. Wish we wouldn’t get loanees in that have hardly played any games.
For every good one there’s 4 or 5 that just aren’t up to it. Feels like we just fill the squad out with them but why not use one of our own instead.
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He’s not as bad as some of the loans we’ve had. Wish we wouldn’t get loanees in that have hardly played any games.
For every good one there’s 4 or 5 that just aren’t up to it. Feels like we just fill the squad out with them but why not use one of our own instead.
Gambling on 18/19yo first time loans is a “negative expected value” exercise. Get the odd good one but can’t win at it long term. Huge difference between first and second time loanees in terms of success rate.
If we are serious about winning the league gambling on a kid loanee is probably not the way to go. “Can play any position across the front three” tends to be b*llocks as well. Sign a player with a specific role in mind. They said that about EY and he’s not capable of playing in any of those positions at L2 level from what we have seen. These young players undoubtedly have loads of ability, translating that into performances consistently on a Saturday is another thing.
Signing experienced loanees is difficult but not impossible as we saw with Hakeem. At least with them you can model their historical output into our performances and get an indication of potential +/- impact they will have in our team as it is now.
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You could also say that any signing comes with risks... players aren't on the 'available' list because they are experienced, fit and banging goals in at their parent clubs.... so, in general most loans are a bit of a punt. Haks managed to sign for Salford on deadline day and has played only 3 games since - and is still out injured I believe...
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You could also say that any signing comes with risks... players aren't on the 'available' list because they are experienced, fit and banging goals in at their parent clubs.... so, in general most loans are a bit of a punt. Haks managed to sign for Salford on deadline day and has played only 3 games since - and is still out injured I believe...
Definitely, and gambles can be good as there is potential for a huge upside. This January in particular we need to reduce the risk and have a real go. Honestly we have a great chance of top three with what we have already, signing a couple of good loans will near enough cement promotion.
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https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-notts-county-plotting-to-sign-nottingham-forests-joe-gardner/
“He has primarily lined up as a centre-forward during his youth development but can also feature as a winger on both flanks and an attacking midfielder.”
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https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-notts-county-plotting-to-sign-nottingham-forests-joe-gardner/
“He has primarily lined up as a centre-forward during his youth development but can also feature as a winger on both flanks and an attacking midfielder.”
https://youtu.be/XyAwMNY27gM?si=HP9UisSM9b1s04rm
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You could also say that any signing comes with risks... players aren't on the 'available' list because they are experienced, fit and banging goals in at their parent clubs.... so, in general most loans are a bit of a punt. Haks managed to sign for Salford on deadline day and has played only 3 games since - and is still out injured I believe...
Definitely, and gambles can be good as there is potential for a huge upside. This January in particular we need to reduce the risk and have a real go. Honestly we have a great chance of top three with what we have already, signing a couple of good loans will near enough cement promotion.
Not going to get a better chance of getting promoted than this season, we're not pulling up any trees at the moment but we are still well positioned to kick on and win this league with a couple of shrewd signings. January's always a hard window but need to be ruthless, can see Close going out on loan and I'd be very surprised if GM's not made tentative enquiries to Matty Craig's agent about coming back in Jan as it doesn't appear to be working out at Barnsley.
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The team that finished last season was far better. We havn’t sorted midfield and GM only ever plays Molyneux regularly in the front 3.
Too many average L2 players in the squad.
Loans havn’t really been outstanding, either.
Roll on January - it can’t come soon enough.
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Said in lucky pint thread, this is a weaker first 11 than the end of last season but we possibly have a deeper squad.
Not sure anybody can argue with;
Sbarra - not as effective as biggins
Gibson - not as effective as Adelakun
Kelly - nowhere near as good as Craig
TSL - not as good as TLT
Could only argue sharp is an improvement on what we had.
I think we are doing well to stick in the top 3, in what is certainly a weaker league than last season.
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Disagree with TLS. He has come on well. Biggins was hit and miss but on his day was awesome. Haven’t replaced Craig I agree. Gibson now that’s a strange one. Again in his day, brilliant, just not enough of them. Maybe second half of season he will kick on. Changing formation and team regularly isn’t helping. I would sooner play Briadbent than Kelly. Give him a regular run in the team would help. If not bring Flint back in January and play home together with Bailey.
I thought a fairly even game tonight.
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Meant to say TSL
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Meant to say TSL
Can’t agree regarding the keeper. TSL has improved, that’s not in question. But he’s not yet the level of TLT in my opinion
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Agree with this, although that doesn’t mean TSL has been poor, and also think Maxwell, Bailey and Luke are not performing as well as last season. I don’t know if Luke feels that he has to replace the Adelakun xfactor but he is forever attempting the impossible shot or pass that comes off once in a blue moon; Gibson was better tonight but has been prone to the same. The net result is that the service to Joe and Billy is a lot poorer than last season. We are still a decent team, and deserved to win tonight on the basis of the first 75 mins, but their subs were far more effective than ours.
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For me one of the biggest disappointments has been Gibson.
He was very good in the first game of the season and then again at Grimsby, but otherwise I haven’t seen much from him.
He appears to have lost confidence and very rarely is able to beat his man.
I really hope he can raise his game again but am doubtful that he can be consistently better.
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For me one of the biggest disappointments has been Gibson.
He was very good in the first game of the season and then again at Grimsby, but otherwise I haven’t seen much from him.
He appears to have lost confidence and very rarely is able to beat his man.
I really hope he can raise his game again but am doubtful that he can be consistently better.
I have to disagree & say that Gibson ‘beats his man’ nine times out of ten, has a good touch, great feet but it’s his decision making in that final third that lets him down.
He either scores a worldie or hits row Z when there might be another touch to take or a better chance made for a team mate with a decent pass. That’s what frustrates the fans, that’s what frustrates his manager.
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He's a 1 good game in 12 player. Not what we need.
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Gibson is easy on the eye, good feet and a bit of skill.
Not much end product and very little heart though.
A huge disappointment. 3 year deal wasn’t it?
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Most players are able to go up another level when confidence is high. We're in a much better position than we were last season so we don't have a huge mountain to climb.
It doesn't take much to turn things around, we're still striving for more consistency individually and collectively, particularly at home.
We don't need wholesale changes in personnel in January, just a couple of tweaks here and there.. Until then, our next four games will be tough for McCann to steer us through to get at least two wins, three would be excellent. We're going to need strong characters which might shape some of McCann's thinking come January. Clearly, he thinks another goalscorer is one priority and if that turns out to be our only incoming signing, I wouldn't be devastated. I think we have enough ability in that squad but whether we have the mentality is another question.
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Most players are able to go up another level when confidence is high. We're in a much better position than we were last season so we don't have a huge mountain to climb.
It doesn't take much to turn things around, we're still striving for more consistency individually and collectively, particularly at home.
We don't need wholesale changes in personnel in January, just a couple of tweaks here and there.. Until then, our next four games will be tough for McCann to steer us through to get at least two wins, three would be excellent. We're going to need strong characters which might shape some of McCann's thinking come January. Clearly, he thinks another goalscorer is one priority and if that turns out to be our only incoming signing, I wouldn't be devastated. I think we have enough ability in that squad but whether we have the mentality is another question.
Agreed, if we can get the final 10% up top working smoothly we have the players who should be able to really push on.
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We just need a quick, strong, direct forward to make runs off Joe /Billy.
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I don't like saying it but if we get a half decent striker then Joe Ironside can disappear on loan somewhere. His main personal game plan seems to be to grab hold of centre halves, have a wrestling match and claim he has been fouled. If he stood off them more and ran in on crosses he might do better, but it seems he is incapable of change, if that is the case move on.
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I don't like saying it but if we get a half decent striker then Joe Ironside can disappear on loan somewhere. His main personal game plan seems to be to grab hold of centre halves, have a wrestling match and claim he has been fouled. If he stood off them more and ran in on crosses he might do better, but it seems he is incapable of change, if that is the case move on.
I know it’s a forum and you have your opinion, but get a grip. He’s one of the best forwards in the league, many other clubs would love to have him.
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Ironside was top scorer last season! The reason he isn’t this season is not entirely down to him. You need to look elsewhere in the team/squad, if you want to criticise. The midfield, in particular, has been average at best and whatever combination Grant picks seems to offer the same. Workmanlike but devoid of quality. The 2 wide men are not doing it consistently, either. Gibson isn’t a patch on Adelakun and Yeboah is not at this level at all.
For me, we need a Gibson replacement, a quality midfielder and a third option striker, minimum.
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We just need a quick, strong, direct forward to make runs off Joe /Billy.
This ^^ We don't need more goal scorers we have possibly the best two in the division, it's creating the chances for them that is missing.
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I don't like saying it but if we get a half decent striker then Joe Ironside can disappear on loan somewhere. His main personal game plan seems to be to grab hold of centre halves, have a wrestling match and claim he has been fouled. If he stood off them more and ran in on crosses he might do better, but it seems he is incapable of change, if that is the case move on.
I certainly wouldn't be loaning him out although I agree about him wrestling too often. However, recently, particularly noticeable at Fleetwood, he was getting free of his marker and looked alot more dangerous.
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Ironside was top scorer last season! The reason he isn’t this season is not entirely down to him. You need to look elsewhere in the team/squad, if you want to criticise. The midfield, in particular, has been average at best and whatever combination Grant picks seems to offer the same. Workmanlike but devoid of quality. The 2 wide men are not doing it consistently, either. Gibson isn’t a patch on Adelakun and Yeboah is not at this level at all.
For me, we need a Gibson replacement, a quality midfielder and a third option striker, minimum.
I’m with you on all of those points Alan.
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Totally agree, it’s ludicrous to suggest Ironside should be sent on loan, he is not the problem. A proven goalscorer as well as his work rate for the team.
We also have to be thinking about who can play at L1 level once we are promoted, Joe certainly can.
However I am struggling at present to see how others could play at the level, Gibson Sabarra and Clifton have consistently underperformed, when Grant must have felt they would be able to perform at that level given the contracts offered.
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I thought Clifton was excellent last night breaking up their play.
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We often talk about who could be effective, rather than just cope, in L1- I would say Maxwell (when back to form), Olowu, McGrath and Ironside. No doubt some may disagree with these and it is possible to make a case for a couple of others but you would like to think that a top 3 side had 8 or 9 who we all agreed would be good L1 players.
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Given the investment into the team, I would consider they would be looking at around 15 thus not needing to add more than about 7/8 players on gaining promotion to L1
The club management would be considering if these 7/8 could potentially play at higher level.
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Mickey Mellon anyone, put him up ages ago, and did well at Morecambe and ran us ragged last season at home.
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Joe Gardner
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We can trust that Grant knows full well what he needs in January and there can be little doubt that he will get the backing of Terry Bramall and Gavin B .I bet they have more than just a Loanee striker in mind.
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Are people starting to come round to the idea that we should have signed a younger, more physical and mobile centre forward before we had a rush of blood to the head and signed Sharp?
That being said, Gibson was the bigger mistake. Pancho is correct in that Grant couldn’t get Adelakun, but he should have at least looked to get someone similar to him.
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Did Adelakun get a two year contract at Salford ? If so I bet he puts in some really good performances from January 2026 onwards .
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Are people starting to come round to the idea that we should have signed a younger, more physical and mobile centre forward before we had a rush of blood to the head and signed Sharp?
That being said, Gibson was the bigger mistake. Pancho is correct in that Grant couldn’t get Adelakun, but he should have at least looked to get someone similar to him.
Well at the time we had Miller and I was happy with that with 3 good options.
Too early for me to be writing Gibson off. He's got ability, it's probably just between the ears that he needs help and coaching. We'll see if he's the type who's willing to learn. We don't always get the best from players in their first season until they've fully settled.
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I have a lot more confidence in our coaching team at the moment to improve players, McGrath has got better and better, Joseph O is simply another person. He’s improved incredibly. Molyneux took time but now is our key attacker/creator, Gibson could follow suit in a year, he needs a little time. TSL is improving too and is good enough.
My main wish is for a physical and athletic presence on the opposite side to Molly. Emmanuel’s physicality stood out a mile and was very good v Port Vale who struggled with him.
We seem to be too small and tippy tappy around the box, we are in need of a powerful player unsettling defences. Same applies for midfield, a strong no nonsense player.
We are very close to being very good, not losing many, and turning those draws into wins.
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Are people starting to come round to the idea that we should have signed a younger, more physical and mobile centre forward before we had a rush of blood to the head and signed Sharp?
That being said, Gibson was the bigger mistake. Pancho is correct in that Grant couldn’t get Adelakun, but he should have at least looked to get someone similar to him.
Rush of blood? Really? Without his 9 goals and assist where would we be? Out the fa cup potentially for one?
On his current stats per game he is on track to get 15 league goals and a couple more assists so direct contribution to potentially 16-20 goals? If Miller had stayed and got them numbers you would all be blowing the trumpet.
The issue is NOT Billy or Joe, they can both score goals. The issue is the lack of service and the build up play we just haven't got right.
We have probably two of the best forwards in the league IMO and in theory should work perfectly as a pair but only if we get the play right.
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Our wide players have been far too inconsistent this season.
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Id be very surprised if GM had brought BS in to play the lone striker role that JI had carried out very successfully by himself last season.
If that's the case then what was the thinking in how to play these two together as a pair?
I feel that failings elsewhere in the side (midfield) have led GM to have to delay or curtail what he wanted from these strikers, if we can't get the ammunition forward for them to feed off then its always going to be very hard to justify the pair together.
If we can get the dynamic midfielder we seem to have been without for eons then we may have the calibre of player alongside the usual prospects in the midfield to service there two together.
Jan is going to make or break our season i suspect.
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It’s nice to see the pennies dropping for quite a few on here. I’m sure GM brought Kelly in to fill that gap, but, to date, he hasn’t come near to filling the boots left by Craig. This is the first puzzle that needs sorting, before the third striker imo.
With Gibson also struggling and Molyneux continually being doubled up on, we need a much more dynamic wide man to fill the slot that’s potentially going to be left by the departing Yeboah.
Then, what to do with Kelly? Stick or twist?
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To me, it feels like he wants players breaking beyond the front man which Adelakun did well. He's trying different players none are as effective.
We are competitive every game but not free flowing and dominant which is how we ended last season.
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It’s nice to see the pennies dropping for quite a few on here. I’m sure GM brought Kelly in to fill that gap, but, to date, he hasn’t come near to filling the boots left by Craig. This is the first puzzle that needs sorting, before the third striker imo.
With Gibson also struggling and Molyneux continually being doubled up on, we need a much more dynamic wide man to fill the slot that’s potentially going to be left by the departing Yeboah.
Then, what to do with Kelly? Stick or twist?
I'm not going to suggest your wrong but I'm going to put forward an alternative view.
We've seen many different combinations in midfield, sometimes more pleasing on the eye, sometimes more workmanlike, sometimes, particularly away from home, we almost bypass midfield by being quick on the break from back to front.
That all said, with those 'Touches in the box stats' more often than not, we're having double if not triple that of our opposition. It was the same again on Tuesday. We often reflect we're not converting enough of our chances without even seeing those stats. Now, we just need to convert a slightly higher percentage generally. Nobody was complaining at Fleetwood, Bradford etc.
This might be due to better deliveries, final balls and general decision making.
Now on his own, I don't think Matthew Craig will make the difference to those stats.
My take on the Cheltenham game on reflection, is with the back four, we didn't push forward far enough with our full backs not pushing up enough, allowing too big a gap between back and front. Now, I don't know who dictates where I back line pushes up to and when, but we seem to get a bit lazy or more fearful of conceding at home. When we play with a back 3, it's easier for the wingbacks to push up, so much so, we didn't miss Moly or Gibson at Fleetwood one bit.
I realky don't think our midfield and a Matthew Craig clone would make that much difference.
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Crazy seeing people write off Gibson when you look at Moly in his first season. Plenty of time for the coaching staff to improve his game, sure it will come even if it's next season.
The striker position is a strange one. Sharp is a great goalscorer but obviously his game is limited (age), Ironside's has not looked like a player who would get anywhere near 15 goals in L2 this season. You'd say neither would be good enough for L1 if we made the step up. Maybe as impact players.
Every forward player in the second half of last season looked like they wouldn't be out of place in L1. Grant will be looking for an upgrade and regular starter in that ST for me. And yes someone to replace Yeboah and seriously compete with Gibson and Hurst (hopefully of an Adelakun ilk).
Either way if GM's loan signings are even 50% as good as his January loan signings last year, we will win the league. See you in League One.
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When people are commenting on Ironside please consider the system we play and the service he gets.
He's often on his own. Dealing with central defenders. The ball is often played to him with his back towards to opposition goal. We seem to play high balls. He's reliant on support.
So many things contributing to him not scoring. I really lime h8m and he has immense value.
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Crazy seeing people write off Gibson when you look at Moly in his first season. Plenty of time for the coaching staff to improve his game, sure it will come even if it's next season.
The striker position is a strange one. Sharp is a great goalscorer but obviously his game is limited (age), Ironside's has not looked like a player who would get anywhere near 15 goals in L2 this season. You'd say neither would be good enough for L1 if we made the step up. Maybe as impact players.
Every forward player in the second half of last season looked like they wouldn't be out of place in L1. Grant will be looking for an upgrade and regular starter in that ST for me. And yes someone to replace Yeboah and seriously compete with Gibson and Hurst (hopefully of an Adelakun ilk).
Either way if GM's loan signings are even 50% as good as his January loan signings last year, we will win the league. See you in League One.
Very much agree. On Gibson who I agree needs more time, I checked back and his last assist was on 7 September (the header back across goal for Billy) and he scored two v Grimsby in October.
A 'winger' with so few assists is not a winger is he? We have full backs with more assists. He can't be surprised being left out on that evidence, so he should know he needs to improve.
It's maybe that bit extra quality who unlocks the door with assists and goals. Is it the no 10 position where we need an alternative to Hurst who can make things happen rather than an out and out wideman?
Let's remember this squad is doing better than this time last season.
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We have very good players for this level all over the park.
It’s fine margins that win draw or lose matches. Yes another striker as back up definitely required and possibly another ball winning midfielder who can pass a ball. But I think we are capable of operating successfully without another midfielder.
It’s just a few tweaks here and there that will turn us into a winning machine imo.
As I keep saying we are 3rd in the league and haven’t hit the straps in probably 14 of our 19 games so far.
Surely that’s a massive positive.
GM needs to do those tweaks, we need to be less predictable.
Swap Molly and Gibbo over for at leat 50% of their time on the pitch is the No 1 tweak I would make.
Give Joe Ironside the service he needs and we will be motoring. Same goes for Billy Sharp.
We have probably 2 of the best 4/5 strikers in this league imo.
But they need quality service. We simply have to be much more dynamic in the last 3rd. Quicker in thought, less touches on the ball.
Get more balls in from the byline. Get balls into the box much quicker before defenders are set.
If we can get this right and we have the players capable then we will win this league.
27 games to play 57 points possibly needed to win the league maybe only 54
May sound a lot but this squad are more than capable of 2+points per game from here onwards.
They really are.
Come on Grant over to you and the coaching staff to sort out those tweaks.
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When people are commenting on Ironside please consider the system we play and the service he gets.
He's often on his own. Dealing with central defenders. The ball is often played to him with his back towards to opposition goal. We seem to play high balls. He's reliant on support.
So many things contributing to him not scoring. I really lime h8m and he has immense value.
I don't think you can blame other players for his back being turned to goal at every opportunity. He's been very frustrating to watch this season.
But I must concede that our service to him has been sketchy. 90% of the time we play out to the wings, and don't put an adequate cross in. There were many times on Tuesday night that it looked like he was making a good run, only for the ball to go to the wings again. We need to mix it up.
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Did Adelakun get a two year contract at Salford ? If so I bet he puts in some really good performances from January 2026 onwards .
12 month deal.
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DBR:
Now on his own, I don't think Matthew Craig will make the difference to those stats.
I agree entirely, DBR, which is why, on other threads I’ve suggested we need a minimum of 3 signings in January!
1. Partner for Bailey
2. Better winger / Yeboah replacement
3. Third striker option
Reading what Grant is going for, it would appear he’s trying to get 1 player who can fulfil both 2 and 3 above.
But - if we don’t get 1 (cm), we’ll still have a problem!
As for Gibson needing more time, we’ve only got a few months left of the season and I’ve never suggested getting rid of him.
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DBR:
Now on his own, I don't think Matthew Craig will make the difference to those stats.
I agree entirely, DBR, which is why, on other threads I’ve suggested we need a minimum of 3 signings in January!
1. Partner for Bailey
2. Better winger / Yeboah replacement
3. Third striker option
Reading what Grant is going for, it would appear he’s trying to get 1 player who can fulfil both 2 and 3 above.
But - if we don’t get 1 (cm), we’ll still have a problem!
As for Gibson needing more time, we’ve only got a few months left of the season and I’ve never suggested getting rid of him.
If an exciting premier league loanee came in a month ago and performed like Broadbent has you’d be really happy with that.
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Broadbent has not played in a team that has won 20 odd games on the trott!
If a player becomes available, that we know exactly what he can give to the team, why the hell would we NOT be interested in trying to get him back?
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When people are commenting on Ironside please consider the system we play and the service he gets.
He's often on his own. Dealing with central defenders. The ball is often played to him with his back towards to opposition goal. We seem to play high balls. He's reliant on support.
So many things contributing to him not scoring. I really lime h8m and he has immense value.
I don't think you can blame other players for his back being turned to goal at every opportunity. He's been very frustrating to watch this season.
But I must concede that our service to him has been sketchy. 90% of the time we play out to the wings, and don't put an adequate cross in. There were many times on Tuesday night that it looked like he was making a good run, only for the ball to go to the wings again. We need to mix it up.
Most centre forwards play the majority of a match with their back to goal, irrespective of how many crosses get put into the opponents box.
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Neither has anybody else Alan! :) :) :)
Cheers
BobG
You mean other than the other 10 (or so) lads who were in the team last season?
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Neither has anybody else Alan! :) :) :)
Cheers
BobG
You mean other than the other 10 (or so) lads who were in the team last season?
Sorry, Alan, Bob's right. We won 10 on the trot, not 20 odd.
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Thank you SS!!
Cheers
BobG
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Oh bloody hell - getting old is wonderful, isn’t it. or my ‘slight’ exaggeration Bob! :blush:
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Lol Alan. I am finding these days that either I forget something entirely, or when I remember it, I remember it wrong. It's happening out here in Colombia as well as at home. Only 10 minutes, ago my friend pointed out that I had done something thing 2 weeks back. I had completely forgotten.....
Useless!
BobG
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Oh bloody hell - getting old is wonderful, isn’t it. or my ‘slight’ exaggeration Bob! :blush:
Alan, as I often say, getting old is good as the alternative isn’t good at all.
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Nobody is inflammable, whatever age they are. Everyone makes miskates.
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it”s the only way to live a long life guys!
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I noticed GM called one of Wimbledons experienced out of contract signings "lad" ?
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Nobody is inflammable, whatever age they are. Everyone makes miskates.
Usually when their brain is fried
Edit: have you ever tried asking someone 'what is the opposite of flammable' and see what answer you get :blush: :lol:
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Crazy seeing people write off Gibson when you look at Moly in his first season. Plenty of time for the coaching staff to improve his game, sure it will come even if it's next season.
The striker position is a strange one. Sharp is a great goalscorer but obviously his game is limited (age), Ironside's has not looked like a player who would get anywhere near 15 goals in L2 this season. You'd say neither would be good enough for L1 if we made the step up. Maybe as impact players.
Every forward player in the second half of last season looked like they wouldn't be out of place in L1. Grant will be looking for an upgrade and regular starter in that ST for me. And yes someone to replace Yeboah and seriously compete with Gibson and Hurst (hopefully of an Adelakun ilk).
Either way if GM's loan signings are even 50% as good as his January loan signings last year, we will win the league. See you in League One.
Difference is Gibson is 26 so should be at his absolute prime.
Molly was 24 when he signed for us so is hitting his prime now.
I doubt that we have time to wait for Gibon to come good as GM is wanting not just promotion but the title as well.
If we go up, can you actually see Gibson being any good in lge1?
I can't.
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Crazy seeing people write off Gibson when you look at Moly in his first season. Plenty of time for the coaching staff to improve his game, sure it will come even if it's next season.
The striker position is a strange one. Sharp is a great goalscorer but obviously his game is limited (age), Ironside's has not looked like a player who would get anywhere near 15 goals in L2 this season. You'd say neither would be good enough for L1 if we made the step up. Maybe as impact players.
Every forward player in the second half of last season looked like they wouldn't be out of place in L1. Grant will be looking for an upgrade and regular starter in that ST for me. And yes someone to replace Yeboah and seriously compete with Gibson and Hurst (hopefully of an Adelakun ilk).
Either way if GM's loan signings are even 50% as good as his January loan signings last year, we will win the league. See you in League One.
Difference is Gibson is 26 so should be at his absolute prime.
Molly was 24 when he signed for us so is hitting his prime now.
I doubt that we have time to wait for Gibon to come good as GM is wanting not just promotion but the title as well.
If we go up, can you actually see Gibson being any good in lge1?
I can't.
McCann has probably got a thought that he can make him better and we have to look to do that.
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A lot of talk on Gibson here. Having watched the Port Vale game on the telly box the other day, I thought his general build up play was decent but then when faced with the decision as to what to do with the final ball he was found lacking. Big time. He just looked like he had no idea what to do. Cut inside and blaze it into row z or go outside on his particularly weak left foot seem to be his only outcomes. To play this player on the wrong side nonsense you have to be a lot more canny. Maybe he’s not bright enough to do it?
This now brings me to my usual bee in my bonnet. Why not makes things easy for him? Put him on the right with one instruction. Get to the byline and whip in bloody good crosses with your very good right peg. Why do we have to make things more complicated than they need to be? Just because it’s football fashion? I don’t know. But it ain’t working for him.
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A lot of talk on Gibson here. Having watched the Port Vale game on the telly box the other day, I thought his general build up play was decent but then when faced with the decision as to what to do with the final ball he was found lacking. Big time. He just looked like he had no idea what to do. Cut inside and blaze it into row z or go outside on his particularly weak left foot seem to be his only outcomes. To play this player on the wrong side nonsense you have to be a lot more canny. Maybe he’s not bright enough to do it?
This now brings me to my usual bee in my bonnet. Why not makes things easy for him? Put him on the right with one instruction. Get to the byline and whip in bloody good crosses with your very good right peg. Why do we have to make things more complicated than they need to be? Just because it’s football fashion? I don’t know. But it ain’t working for him.
He’s a strange one. His ability and general play is brilliant at times. If he did have an end product that was consistent with what he is capable of he’d be a good championship player.
I think it is a mental issue with him though. Think he struggles to translate his ability to match day consistently. Possibly has come across previously as a “bad attitude” situation but I’m not sure it is. Some players just get limited by anxiety, wouldn’t be surprised if it was linked to that.
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Back to the title of the thread for a moment, the longer the wait goes on, the less likely it is we’ll get the lad in question.
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A lot of talk on Gibson here. Having watched the Port Vale game on the telly box the other day, I thought his general build up play was decent but then when faced with the decision as to what to do with the final ball he was found lacking. Big time. He just looked like he had no idea what to do. Cut inside and blaze it into row z or go outside on his particularly weak left foot seem to be his only outcomes. To play this player on the wrong side nonsense you have to be a lot more canny. Maybe he’s not bright enough to do it?
This now brings me to my usual bee in my bonnet. Why not makes things easy for him? Put him on the right with one instruction. Get to the byline and whip in bloody good crosses with your very good right peg. Why do we have to make things more complicated than they need to be? Just because it’s football fashion? I don’t know. But it ain’t working for him.
He’s a strange one. His ability and general play is brilliant at times. If he did have an end product that was consistent with what he is capable of he’d be a good championship player.
I think it is a mental issue with him though. Think he struggles to translate his ability to match day consistently. Possibly has come across previously as a “bad attitude” situation but I’m not sure it is. Some players just get limited by anxiety, wouldn’t be surprised if it was linked to that.
Once Maxwell is back up to speed , Gibson will benefit from having him overlapping, wingers generally tend to be inconsistent especially at this level.
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A lot of talk on Gibson here. Having watched the Port Vale game on the telly box the other day, I thought his general build up play was decent but then when faced with the decision as to what to do with the final ball he was found lacking. Big time. He just looked like he had no idea what to do. Cut inside and blaze it into row z or go outside on his particularly weak left foot seem to be his only outcomes. To play this player on the wrong side nonsense you have to be a lot more canny. Maybe he’s not bright enough to do it?
This now brings me to my usual bee in my bonnet. Why not makes things easy for him? Put him on the right with one instruction. Get to the byline and whip in bloody good crosses with your very good right peg. Why do we have to make things more complicated than they need to be? Just because it’s football fashion? I don’t know. But it ain’t working for him.
He’s a strange one. His ability and general play is brilliant at times. If he did have an end product that was consistent with what he is capable of he’d be a good championship player.
I think it is a mental issue with him though. Think he struggles to translate his ability to match day consistently. Possibly has come across previously as a “bad attitude” situation but I’m not sure it is. Some players just get limited by anxiety, wouldn’t be surprised if it was linked to that.
Agreed, I posted a few days back that Gibson is probably low on confidence right now.
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A lot of talk on Gibson here. Having watched the Port Vale game on the telly box the other day, I thought his general build up play was decent but then when faced with the decision as to what to do with the final ball he was found lacking. Big time. He just looked like he had no idea what to do. Cut inside and blaze it into row z or go outside on his particularly weak left foot seem to be his only outcomes. To play this player on the wrong side nonsense you have to be a lot more canny. Maybe he’s not bright enough to do it?
This now brings me to my usual bee in my bonnet. Why not makes things easy for him? Put him on the right with one instruction. Get to the byline and whip in bloody good crosses with your very good right peg. Why do we have to make things more complicated than they need to be? Just because it’s football fashion? I don’t know. But it ain’t working for him.
He’s a strange one. His ability and general play is brilliant at times. If he did have an end product that was consistent with what he is capable of he’d be a good championship player.
I think it is a mental issue with him though. Think he struggles to translate his ability to match day consistently. Possibly has come across previously as a “bad attitude” situation but I’m not sure it is. Some players just get limited by anxiety, wouldn’t be surprised if it was linked to that.
Agreed, I posted a few days back that Gibson is probably low on confidence right now.
It's a definite possibility and from both flanks. As Cramby10 says, we're not getting sufficient danger created from Moly and Gibson from wide areas. On the plus side, Moly does venture inside into the box, hence finishing chances like the equaliser last week so, even if he's not getting much joy out wide, he stays switched on enough to cause problems. We don't see enough of that from Gibson.
So many times, particularly at home, when Moly or Gibson eventually get to the byline we see loopy crosses, which are meat n drink for keepers and centre halves, or cuts inside with shots blocked or Row T. You can here the collective sighs when it happens.
We don't have the conventional wingers who run onto balls inside the full back and deliver quick accurate crosses while defences are scrambling back....a la Matty Blair for example.
I'm warming to the idea of sacrificing at least one of them (Gibson) in favour of another goalscorer in the mold McCann describes, and encourage our wingbacks to deliver those crosses. (As we did at Fleetwood).
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Wigan will surely want Josh Stones to play EFL football he would be the one I would go after hard.
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"I don't think we're too far away on the wide forward..."
Grant McCann offers a positive update on Rovers' January plans.
Latest from Ricky Charlesworth on Twitter. So it’s not a striker, it’s a wide man, guessing it’s for the opposite side to Moly
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"I don't think we're too far away on the wide forward..."
Grant McCann offers a positive update on Rovers' January plans.
Latest from Ricky Charlesworth on Twitter. So it’s not a striker, it’s a wide man, guessing it’s for the opposite side to Moly
Yeboah replacement.
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"I don't think we're too far away on the wide forward..."
Grant McCann offers a positive update on Rovers' January plans.
Latest from Ricky Charlesworth on Twitter. So it’s not a striker, it’s a wide man, guessing it’s for the opposite side to Moly
Yeboah replacement.
‘Yeboah replacement’.
I’ll dig me boots out!
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Sounds like a Haks replacement finally!
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Possibly Ennis from Man U academy
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Possibly Ennis from Man U academy
I’d definitely take Ethan Ennis.
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Any relation to Niall?
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No
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The lad from Forest we were linked with plays half his games left wing and half his games as a striker according to Sofascore app
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Wigan will surely want Josh Stones to play EFL football he would be the one I would go after hard.
Rumour is that Port Vale are trying to get him on a permanent
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We would need around 300k to buy stones
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He’s had two offers for that, neither from us unfortunately
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It won’t be Nathan Lowe
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"I don't think we're too far away on the wide forward..."
Grant McCann offers a positive update on Rovers' January plans.
Latest from Ricky Charlesworth on Twitter. So it’s not a striker, it’s a wide man, guessing it’s for the opposite side to Moly
I hope it's for the opposite side to Gibson or Hurst.
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Just been told loanee could be Rob Street from Lincoln
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Heard one has signed but not who
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Heard one has signed but not who
Won’t be signed u til tomorrow or Friday, he was involved with his club today
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Just been told loanee could be Rob Street from Lincoln
Physical centre forward but more mobile than what we have now.
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If you look at his stats, he’s not exactly ripping the league up, but those stats could lie as I’ve posted before a 2 minute sub appearance counts the same as a full game, just say like
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Heard one has signed but not who
Won’t be signed u til tomorrow or Friday, he was involved with his club today
Which aligns with what GM said in his post match comments.
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If you look at his stats, he’s not exactly ripping the league up, but those stats could lie as I’ve posted before a 2 minute sub appearance counts the same as a full game, just say like
It’s very easy these days to find detail on starts/sub appearances/minutes played - transfermarkt is very good for that.
Street was on the bench for Lincoln today.
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If you look at his stats, he’s not exactly ripping the league up, but those stats could lie as I’ve posted before a 2 minute sub appearance counts the same as a full game, just say like
It’s very easy these days to find detail on starts/sub appearances/minutes played - transfermarkt is very good for that.
Street was on the bench for Lincoln today.
For the second time in 4 games
Not played at all and not in squad for 2 of them......not sure that is the statement signing referred to. Maybe that is the second signing where GM needed to talk to the lads mam, dad, nan, cat and dog???
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Is it definitely Rob Street? Mate of mine has told me its Freddie Draper?
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Is it definitely Rob Street? Mate of mine has told me its Freddie Draper?
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Is it definitely Rob Street? Mate of mine has told me its Freddie Draper?
He has played 20 times for Lincoln this yr? Seems Rob Street more likely????
But Draper loaned to this league last yr amd scored 10 goals in 22 games..........we have a man that has done that and half on here calling him out as too old and too slow
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I dont think Rob Street fits the bill of being able to play accross the front 3 does he? I know nothing about him so genuine question. If we just put balls inthe box our current strikers would score goals. If we keep refusing it then we need to sign pace in my opinion.
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I dont think Rob Street fits the bill of being able to play accross the front 3 does he? I know nothing about him so genuine question. If we just put balls inthe box our current strikers would score goals. If we keep refusing it then we need to sign pace in my opinion.
Agree.
IMO we need fast wide forwards
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My punt is Louie Marsh
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My punt is Louie Marsh
I really doubt it and even more really hope not. He is not what we need at all.
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Be a surprise if its rob street as he is quite similar to ironside but doesnt score as many goals
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It won’t be Nathan Lowe
Obviously I wasn't being serious. Found some of the signings preseason baffling, as quite a few did say on here at the time.
Yeboah? How many times had anyone seen him play, a YouTube clip?
Yeboah didn't contribute much for a player recruited notion long after the season ended though he alone did more than Westbrooke and Close combined, yet he's the one gone
It’s a lot easier to terminate a loan than shift contracted players who are probably on pretty high wages.
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Is it definitely Rob Street? Mate of mine has told me its Freddie Draper?
No one said it was definite, my friend who reports on Lincoln said he has heard it COULD be Street, I don't think anyone actually knows for definite
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Would Rob Street really be deemed a "statement signing"?
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No, there is another in the pipeline according to GM is that the statement signing?
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Following the clues it could be Adam Mayor
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Complete guess but im saying Louie Marsh and i am here for it if so.
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It won’t be Nathan Lowe
Obviously I wasn't being serious. Found some of the signings preseason baffling, as quite a few did say on here at the time.
Yeboah? How many times had anyone seen him play, a YouTube clip?
Yeboah didn't contribute much for a player recruited notion long after the season ended though he alone did more than Westbrooke and Close combined, yet he's the one gone
How many times did anyone see craig play?
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Following the clues it could be Adam Mayor
Don't know much about him,but had a look and he does fit the bill regards the clues.Im sure there are many others that fit the bill,but there is nothing to say it's not him.
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I know he's not a striker, but Dan Gore could be a possible shout, maybe for the marquee signing.
Was on loan at port vale last year, got injured. We have a link up with man utd, Tommy Rowe, and he played against us for the u21's.
He needs games for his development, and we have a decent reputation for helping it with that
Also rumours are he's going out on loan too, might be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but you never know.
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Following the clues it could be Adam Mayor
Left footed winger who moved to Millwall from Morecambe in January 2024 for an initial fee reported to be £300k... with potential for it to rise to £1million. Had period out injured since his arrival and hasn't been able to get into the team since.
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I know he's not a striker, but Dan Gore could be a possible shout, maybe for the marquee signing.
Was on loan at port vale last year, got injured. We have a link up with man utd, Tommy Rowe, and he played against us for the u21's.
He needs games for his development, and we have a decent reputation for helping it with that
Also rumours are he's going out on loan too, might be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but you never know.
Yes sounds good to me I remember from memory after Vale signed youngsters from was it Liverpool & Manu last January they couldn't possibly get relegated (one of them at least got injured) but Moore showed great skill and determination in getting them out of the division against all the odds
Let's just hope Salford don't nick 'im
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I know he's not a striker, but Dan Gore could be a possible shout, maybe for the marquee signing.
Was on loan at port vale last year, got injured. We have a link up with man utd, Tommy Rowe, and he played against us for the u21's.
He needs games for his development, and we have a decent reputation for helping it with that
Also rumours are he's going out on loan too, might be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but you never know.
He looks a tidy player and could be an ignition that our midfield seems to need - I personally think if he goes out it could be to a higher level.... but that may be the marquee element.
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here we go
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68072433
Manchester United's teenage midfielder Dan Gore has joined Port Vale on loan until the end of the season.
Gore, 19, has made two United's first-team appearances, his only Premier League appearance having come in the Boxing Day win over Aston Villa.
He won the FA Youth Cup with United in 2022 and was last season named as their reserve team player of the year.
He is Vale's third January loan from a top flight club after Brighton's Jensen Weir and Liverpool's Rhys Williams.
But they have lost Tottenham Hotspur loan man Alfie Devine, who has gone out on another loan a level higher up with Plymouth Argyle.
"Dan is a player with fantastic technical ability," said Vale boss Andy Crosby. As well as his obvious qualities on the pitch, he possesses all of the non-negotiable personal qualities required to be a member of the squad here at Port Vale."
Vale sit 20th in League One following Saturday's abandonment at Reading, but now have three games in hand on most of the clubs around them.
as i said at the time couldn't possibly get relegated could they
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Isn’t Gore more of an attacking midfielder though? If he is, is that what we need?
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It won’t be Nathan Lowe
Obviously I wasn't being serious. Found some of the signings preseason baffling, as quite a few did say on here at the time.
Yeboah? How many times had anyone seen him play, a YouTube clip?
Yeboah didn't contribute much for a player recruited notion long after the season ended though he alone did more than Westbrooke and Close combined, yet he's the one gone
How many times did anyone see craig play?
Oh dear God, seeing as he's quite a bit older than Yeboah I'd say highly likely he was watched in some games more than yeboah, the point I was making anyway was Yeboah was signed in early June, as if someone didn't think a better player would become available, Walsall signed Lowe on 22nd August, they preferred to wait.
You need to do a bit of research before you start posting shite.
Craig was 20 and never played a game for anyone, yeboah was 18 and had played around a dozen games for Bristol city.
So plenty more opportunity to watch him in an adult competitive environment
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Hopefully things are progressing and they havent lost the pen
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Wigan will surely want Josh Stones to play EFL football he would be the one I would go after hard.
Josh Stones back at Wigan. Said his goodbye’s to Oldham on X.
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Wigan will surely want Josh Stones to play EFL football he would be the one I would go after hard.
Josh Stones back at Wigan. Said his goodbye’s to Oldham on X.
Signing for his new club tomorrow if medical all ok,
300k fee
Oldham couldn’t match it
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Bit of chat on Twitter that it’s Bradford.
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Following the clues it could be Adam Mayor
Don't know much about him,but had a look and he does fit the bill regards the clues.Im sure there are many others that fit the bill,but there is nothing to say it's not him.
I can’t find any other wide forwards who were on the bench for Championship or L1 teams yesterday who would likely be available for loan but would also be “probably too good” for L2.
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Bit of chat on Twitter that it’s Bradford.
It’s another conference team, great signing for them.
We should’ve been in for him, told coppinger and McCann about him 18 months ago.
2 league two clubs were in for him too
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York City then. I have heard they have a bit of money behind them.
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Looks like York then. The Bradford meltdown on twitter has started!
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TBF he is ginger...... so not bothered.
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Raphael borges rodriguez might be the one not getting a game at coventry and was on the subs bench on the 1st Jan
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Raphael borges rodriguez might be the one not getting a game at coventry and was on the subs bench on the 1st Jan
Has impressed Lampard, don't think he'll be going out.
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Just seen a report confirming York for Stones.
Also one confirming Malik Wilks remaining at Rotherham for the rest of the season despite Evans previously saying he was off.
Wonder if he was the statement signing and they have backtracked.
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Wonder if he was the statement signing and they have backtracked.
Hardly statement IMO..... depending on what the statement is of course..
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Just seen a report confirming York for Stones.
Also one confirming Malik Wilks remaining at Rotherham for the rest of the season despite Evans previously saying he was off.
Wonder if he was the statement signing and they have backtracked.
Yep great signing for them, he had clubs in our league interested but they wouldn’t match the 300k
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Bradford have also lost Cooke to injury, his goals will take some replacing if he's out for a while.
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Bradford have also lost Cooke to injury, his goals will take some replacing if he's out for a while.
Cooke supposedly ACL so long term possible career ending
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Back to our signing, Grants interview gave confidence it will be today and a name appearing on Twitter is Rob Street.
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Mayor can’t play on the right wing - only left or central so I think that makes him less likely actually.
Tavares from Cov too good?
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Dan gore is defined one I have considered, although seeing reports about the lad, he definitely seem capable of going out on loan to higher level than L2.
Although he would certainly fit with the midfield loan situation, and if it is this player you would expect mum dad cat dog to be persuaded!
Also note that nothing noted about Joel Gardenor yet about his choice of club
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Back to our signing, Grants interview gave confidence it will be today and a name appearing on Twitter is Rob Street.
We're after a wide forward aren't we? He's a striker.
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GM wants a 3rd striker option - he’s gone on record saying just that. We also need a Yeboah replacement (which is the wide forward) and he’s explained that as well.
My concern is, as yet, GM has not mentioned anything about midfield, which is in need for a quality partner for Bailey. Hopefully, that’s being worked on.
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He’s not going to look at centre midfield I don’t think, not with close, westbrooke, Kelly, Broadbent, Clifton
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He’s not going to look at centre midfield I don’t think, not with close, westbrooke, Kelly, Broadbent, Clifton
He needs to, it's a massive weakness. Close is always injured and isn't god enough, Broadbent is a liability and isn't good enough, Westbrooke is always injured and may or may not be good enough, Kelly is still very raw, Clifton works hard but isn't the missing link in terms of quality and control in midfield. We have to sign big in midfield if we want to push on. We're nowhere near good enough there.
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I disagree but that’s what football is all about
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Bailey leaving?
Close and Westbrook have hardly played!
Kelly is a loan and I would have thought would be reviewed.
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Bailey leaving?
Close and Westbrook have hardly played!
Kelly is a loan and I would have thought would be reviewed.
Why would Bailey be leaving?
You were talking about a partner for him, he can’t partner himself
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It will be disappointing if we haven’t signed anyone in time for tomorrows game.
I’m sure Grant first stated we had a signing ready to go in January, around 3 weeks ago.
I know things change and I don’t doubt they have worked really hard.
But the way he spoke back then was it was ready to go.
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Grant likes to get his incoming players sorted quickly doesn’t he.
If no one comes in before the PV game I would expect he will have everything done in time for the next league match.
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He’s not going to look at centre midfield I don’t think, not with close, westbrooke, Kelly, Broadbent, Clifton
He needs to, it's a massive weakness. Close is always injured and isn't god enough, Broadbent is a liability and isn't good enough, Westbrooke is always injured and may or may not be good enough, Kelly is still very raw, Clifton works hard but isn't the missing link in terms of quality and control in midfield. We have to sign big in midfield if we want to push on. We're nowhere near good enough there.
Close and Westbrooke have been fit for a while now, just haven’t been picked.
I don’t get the anti-Westbrooke narrative on here. You put him in Broadbent’s predicament during the last game and he doesn’t give the ball away.
When Westbrooke got injured last year, our form nosedived. He kept things ticking against Premier league Everton this season and played well, I come on here and he’s getting slated!
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Read what you wrote Dickos, you made no reference to what I wrote. Your statement was he’s not going to be looking at centre midfield.
Hence my response! ;)
As already mentioned in other posts, it’s clear there’s a general consensus that midfield is a weakness in our team/squad. At the end of last season, GM found the answer (with Craig), however, if Kelly was to be Craig’s replacement, it’s not worked out as intended. Not yet, anyway. I think there’s a missing link in midfield that is not currently at the Club. Just my opinion. No more, no less.
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I'd agree we need another midfielder, Broadbent isn't the answer unfortunately at the minute, isn't quite showing he's good enough
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He’s not going to look at centre midfield I don’t think, not with close, westbrooke, Kelly, Broadbent, Clifton
He needs to, it's a massive weakness. Close is always injured and isn't god enough, Broadbent is a liability and isn't good enough, Westbrooke is always injured and may or may not be good enough, Kelly is still very raw, Clifton works hard but isn't the missing link in terms of quality and control in midfield. We have to sign big in midfield if we want to push on. We're nowhere near good enough there.
Close and Westbrooke have been fit for a while now, just haven’t been picked.
I don’t get the anti-Westbrooke narrative on here. You put him in Broadbent’s predicament during the last game and he doesn’t give the ball away.
When Westbrooke got injured last year, our form nosedived. He kept things ticking against Premier league Everton this season and played well, I come on here and he’s getting slated!
I like Westbrooke when he's on the pitch but he's injured far far too often and so can't get enough of a run to build his form or his partnership with players around him - that's why I said may or may not be good enough, not sure he's played frequently enough to be sure!
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Grant is hellbent on promotion, if we on here are sensing a weakness in midfield rest assured it will be addressed during the window.
I do wonder if the lack of games for Close and Westbrooke is because Grant is subtly trying to move them on.
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Grant likes to get his incoming players sorted quickly doesn’t he.
If no one comes in before the PV game I would expect he will have everything done in time for the next league match.
Maybe it's done and dusted but we're keeping our powder dry on the announcement to give Vale less time to prepare if the player might be involved?
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Rob Street it is.
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And is eligible for tomorrows game.
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I don’t know anything about him apart from what I have just quickly read on the DROS.
The last loanee we got from Lincoln was quite good for us wasn’t he so I hope we get a bit of dejavu with this.
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Another incoming?
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Rob Street it is.
Don’t know much about him but always handy to have a bit more height in the squad!
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Just been told loanee could be Rob Street from Lincoln
You was told right :thumbsup:
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Fasted lad in the team. BY all accounts, this completely opens up how we attack opposition boxes..
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Fasted lad in the team. BY all accounts, this completely opens up how we attack opposition boxes..
This is the right way to look at it. How does he help the team get more points on the board? Not just looking at his Wikipedia for how many goals he’s done elsewhere.
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It will be interesting to see when he gets his first start, presumably he will be on the bench v Port Vale. A 60th minute sub?
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It will be interesting to see when he gets his first start, presumably he will be on the bench v Port Vale. A 60th minute sub?
Start him and fry Moore’s brain.
Ironside will need a rest and Billy is better off the bench.
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Seems to me we're going two up top with one of them on the bench.
I doubt very much gm will have one striker on the bench and one in the stands or even two strikers on the bench.
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I don’t think it will bother GM to have 2 strikers on the bench knowing that Street can play wide. I expect Gibson will come back in for Hurst today and possibly Sharp will replace Ironside with him and Street on the bench. Close or Sbarra to drop out the squad.
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Mickey Mellon anyone, put him up ages ago, and did well at Morecambe and ran us ragged last season at home.
Signed for Bradford on loan for the rest of the season. Eek.
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Cook out for season injured so this lad presumably brought in to replace him.
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Cook out for season injured so this lad presumably brought in to replace him.
I’ve had a theory for a few years that Andy Cook is the reason Bradford have been shit. Completely dictates their style of play. Possible they improve for not having him available.
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Cook out for season injured so this lad presumably brought in to replace him.
I’ve had a theory for a few years that Andy Cook is the reason Bradford have been shit. Completely dictates their style of play. Possible they improve for not having him available.
Saw a comment from a Bradford fan the other day saying they play better/faster without Cook. Time will tell but hoping Cook is the one that makes them tick haha
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Could it be Louie Marsh back from Sheff u
Louis getting a start in tonight's FA Cup match live on BBC iPlayer.
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Tommy Rowe will no doubt be Interested in pushing his star boys our way, to help all parties concerned
Their u21s striker Wheatley who played against us is linked with Wrexham and Stockport so it’s unlikely to be him!
Just signed for Walsall on loan
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Joe Gardner
The first player we were after this window.
Gone to Lincoln until the end of the season.
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Joe Gardner
The first player we were after this window.
Gone to Lincoln until the end of the season.
Were we ? Genuine question
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Joe Gardner
The first player we were after this window.
Gone to Lincoln until the end of the season.
Were we ? Genuine question
Yes, definite interest in signing him.
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Never saw or heard that anywhere - this the lad who went to Lincoln yesterday
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Joe Gardner
The first player we were after this window.
Gone to Lincoln until the end of the season.
Were we ? Genuine question
Yes, definite interest in signing him.
Gone on loan to Mansfield Town for the season.