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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on January 25, 2025, 05:40:46 pm
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Looked very good today, neat and tidy player
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Class player
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Agread
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Lots to like about him today, composed and calm on the ball.
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And I should add, not afraid to make a tackle
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A lot of promise. Good energy too
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You can tell he has quality and looks brave on the ball, it didn't always come off today but hopefully he grows with more game time. Didn't get bullied physically today and cracking 50/50 tackle.
Was a bright spot today along with a clean sheet , but we were poor. Everything just seems to go down the right hand side to not much avail, need to work the ball through the middle of the park better , hopefully Crew can help us do this.
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He had a very good game and got better has the game went on, looks very good.
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He could be the player to get us promotion this season.
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Very impressed with him today.
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Him and TSL the big positives today. Looks busy and composed, got a tackle in him, wants to play forward, and lets Bailey get up the pitch more as well. I'd have left him on, assuming he wasn't knackered.
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Him and TSL the big positives today. Looks busy and composed, got a tackle in him, wants to play forward, and lets Bailey get up the pitch more as well. I'd have left him on, assuming he wasn't knackered.
I’d have left him on as well, but the player that came on for him got the assist, so we can’t complain
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He looked good today.
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I didn’t think he stood out that much tbh. You can tell he’s got quality on the ball but just looked like another Kelly to me.Same with Ennis is he really better than Hurst? Love us to prioritise our own players but know I’m been miserable with that view.
We never put any sustained passages of possession together which is our big problem in midfield Crew looked talented but unlikely to grab the game and put us on top. Probably a experience thing hopefully I’m eating these words in a few games
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Looking a bit ominous for Hurst.
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Looking a bit ominous for Hurst.
Hurst is good. Bringing in young loanees in front of him and stalling his development is criminal in my opinion.
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He was good today. The only green shoots in our pedestrian midfield.
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Looking a bit ominous for Hurst.
Hurst is good. Bringing in young loanees in front of him and stalling his development is criminal in my opinion.
Is Hurst fit? Even if he’s not starting he’s the sort of game changer I’d want on our bench.
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Had a very gpod game today, much better than at Gillingham
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I liked him, thought was excellent, i would have hurst ahead of ennis thou
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Yeah I thought Crew was good and was getting better as the game went on
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He was excellent level above any of our own midfielders. Huge upgrade on Broadbent
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Difficult to know much about Ennis yet.
He had some very nice touches today and has only had a couple of short appearances so let’s give him a chance.
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He was solid. So solid.
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He was anonymous in the 1st half, did better in the 2nd.
Ennis, the kid from man utd looks a much better prospect.
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He was solid. So solid.
Especially the first 21 seconds.
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Improved performance today. He battles well. Ennis definitely has more ability to change a game for us imo.
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He looked alot better today.
He was given alot of space from Harrogate a times though.
It will be interesting both when he gets uses to pace fully and also when he is closed down faster.
Hopefully he can be the Craig asset we have missed all season.
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Ennis was on the left, almost all of our play was on the right.
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McCanns job is to get us promoted, hurst hasn’t been great this season, for me it’s not McCanns problem if he’s getting loans in ahead of him, if he’d kicked on this season then McCann would t have done it. But he’s been poor
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Don’t mind signing replacements. Be nice if they were better than what we have. That said it’s his 1st game so hopefully he does turn out way better.
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Thought the lad was brilliant today, he looks a really good footballer and looking forward to see how he progresses.
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Hurst too lightweight for division 4. Should have been doing triple sessions in the gym every week since the summer.
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Thought he was really good today & starting to settle in, loads to come from him.
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Hurst too lightweight for division 4. Should have been doing triple sessions in the gym every week since the summer.
Agreed. Lightweight & inconsistent, been here around 3 years now & hasn't really kicked on or cemented a place in the team, really like him as he's got bags of skill, just don't see it enough.
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Don’t mind signing replacements. Be nice if they were better than what we have. That said it’s his 1st game so hopefully he does turn out way better.
2nd game.
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Hurst is too lightweight for League Two, but Ennis and Crew aren't.
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Don’t mind signing replacements. Be nice if they were better than what we have. That said it’s his 1st game so hopefully he does turn out way better.
Who’s not better than who?
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Hurst is too lightweight for League Two, but Ennis and Crew aren't.
Don't know yet, they haven't been here three years have they.
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Don’t mind signing replacements. Be nice if they were better than what we have. That said it’s his 1st game so hopefully he does turn out way better.
Who’s not better than who?
Sorry I was on about Ennis v Hurst. Ennis could prove to be better but on the first few glimpses there’s not much difference in quality.
If I’m honest I’ve not been a fan of loans since Moore destroyed the playing squad by relying so much on them to the detriment of a committed contracted group.
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Hurst is too lightweight for League Two, but Ennis and Crew aren't.
Don't know yet, they haven't been here three years have they.
They are only here till the end of the season so in 3 years how lightweight they are won’t matter to us. We seem to give loan players leeway we’d never allow our own.
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I don't buy the lightweight thing. Hurst ghosts pasts players for fun on his day. Doesn't matter how much time you've spent in the gym, if a player has ability then he's probably good enough to play at this level.
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I don't buy the lightweight thing. Hurst ghosts pasts players for fun on his day. Doesn't matter how much time you've spent in the gym, if a player has ability then he's probably good enough to play at this level.
Trouble is it’s rarely his day
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I don't buy the lightweight thing. Hurst ghosts pasts players for fun on his day. Doesn't matter how much time you've spent in the gym, if a player has ability then he's probably good enough to play at this level.
Hurst looks fantastic ghosting past players that daren't put a challenge in around the penalty area.
Those that do challenge him, knock him off the ball at will.
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Don’t mind signing replacements. Be nice if they were better than what we have. That said it’s his 1st game so hopefully he does turn out way better.
Who’s not better than who?
Sorry I was on about Ennis v Hurst. Ennis could prove to be better but on the first few glimpses there’s not much difference in quality.
If I’m honest I’ve not been a fan of loans since Moore destroyed the playing squad by relying so much on them to the detriment of a committed contracted group.
Last year should surely have changed that opinion
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Looking a bit ominous for Hurst.
I’ve heard he’s going, not sure how true it is
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Don’t mind signing replacements. Be nice if they were better than what we have. That said it’s his 1st game so hopefully he does turn out way better.
Who’s not better than who?
Sorry I was on about Ennis v Hurst. Ennis could prove to be better but on the first few glimpses there’s not much difference in quality.
If I’m honest I’ve not been a fan of loans since Moore destroyed the playing squad by relying so much on them to the detriment of a committed contracted group.
Last year should surely have changed that opinion
2nd half of last season was great, remember the 1st was very poor, and I’ll get behind anyone on the pitch regardless of been on loan but it hasn’t changed my opinion.
We got lucky that 3 turned out so well. I make it a 20% success rate on loans each season. For every Craig there’s about 4 Yeboah’s. And they limit chances for our own players the cost of which we can’t really calculate.
Look at it this way the club went on an unbelievable run and got to the playoffs without anything to show for it. Our best players in that run left for nothing and we start from scratch again. If they were contracted players we’d be going mad but they are loans so it’s normal. Our season relies too much on the loan players been up to it.
Loans aren’t a problem when we’re sort in a position, clearly we need centre midfielders, but to sign a winger when we have Hurst and Gibson, both of who GM offered contracts too, is strange
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Looking a bit ominous for Hurst.
I’ve heard he’s going, not sure how true it is
Who from? Next door neighbours aunty?
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Looking a bit ominous for Hurst.
I’ve heard he’s going, not sure how true it is
Who from? Next door neighbours aunty?
No, I leave that to you
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Looking a bit ominous for Hurst.
I’ve heard he’s going, not sure how true it is
Loan or permanent?
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Well it’s scandalous if true. No one can tell me with a straight face that Clifton, Sbarra, and Gibson are better than him.
For that matter same goes for Close and Westbrook who I believe are better than the above mentioned players and Broadbent and Kelly.
We’ve lost our way. We’re slow, ponderous and shot shy because we’re not good enough to move the ball quickly so take the easy option with a sideways or backward pass. And don’t get me started on the standard of crossing.
It’s morphing into a Schofield type side just with better players.
How have we got to this point? McCann was an all out attacking manager, yet here we are watching insipid attritional football devoid of much entertainment.
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Well it’s scandalous if true. No one can tell me with a straight face that Clifton, Sbarra, and Gibson are better than him.
For that matter same goes for Close and Westbrook who I believe are better than the above mentioned players and Broadbent and Kelly.
We’ve lost our way. We’re slow, ponderous and shot shy because we’re not good enough to move the ball quickly so take the easy option with a sideways or backward pass. And don’t get me started on the standard of crossing.
It’s morphing into a Schofield type side just with better players.
How have we got to this point? McCann was an all out attacking manager, yet here we are watching insipid attritional football devoid of much entertainment.
I believe there is an over reliance on analysis and science.
It's made the game boring.
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Looking a bit ominous for Hurst.
I’ve heard he’s going, not sure how true it is
Loan or permanent?
No idea it’s just something I was told yesterday, the person who told me has been correct in the past which is why I put it on here
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Well it’s scandalous if true. No one can tell me with a straight face that Clifton, Sbarra, and Gibson are better than him.
For that matter same goes for Close and Westbrook who I believe are better than the above mentioned players and Broadbent and Kelly.
We’ve lost our way. We’re slow, ponderous and shot shy because we’re not good enough to move the ball quickly so take the easy option with a sideways or backward pass. And don’t get me started on the standard of crossing.
It’s morphing into a Schofield type side just with better players.
How have we got to this point? McCann was an all out attacking manager, yet here we are watching insipid attritional football devoid of much entertainment.
I wouldn't go as far as saying it's scandalous. Disappointing yes, as we also have to consider...
1. The player might want to leave.(as in Miller, May and many others who need to breakaway to get more games)
2. Another club wants to take them on.
3. As much as we like Hurst, he's one of a number who haven't done enough to command a starting spot week in week out. Whether that's purely down to them is another debate.
Generally agree about the rest of your analysis.
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Well it’s scandalous if true. No one can tell me with a straight face that Clifton, Sbarra, and Gibson are better than him.
For that matter same goes for Close and Westbrook who I believe are better than the above mentioned players and Broadbent and Kelly.
We’ve lost our way. We’re slow, ponderous and shot shy because we’re not good enough to move the ball quickly so take the easy option with a sideways or backward pass. And don’t get me started on the standard of crossing.
It’s morphing into a Schofield type side just with better players.
How have we got to this point? McCann was an all out attacking manager, yet here we are watching insipid attritional football devoid of much entertainment.
I believe there is an over reliance on analysis and science.
It's made the game boring.
Bournemouth, Brighton and Brentford fans probably disagree.
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They've spent millions on players, not a good comparison.
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Well it’s scandalous if true. No one can tell me with a straight face that Clifton, Sbarra, and Gibson are better than him.
For that matter same goes for Close and Westbrook who I believe are better than the above mentioned players and Broadbent and Kelly.
We’ve lost our way. We’re slow, ponderous and shot shy because we’re not good enough to move the ball quickly so take the easy option with a sideways or backward pass. And don’t get me started on the standard of crossing.
It’s morphing into a Schofield type side just with better players.
How have we got to this point? McCann was an all out attacking manager, yet here we are watching insipid attritional football devoid of much entertainment.
I believe there is an over reliance on analysis and science.
It's made the game boring.
Clubs do it because it works. Or, better to say, if you don't do it, you're at a serious disadvantage.
I've said before, I loved watching Penney's sides. But if you go back and watch the videos now, the quality of play was dreadful by today's standards. They gave the ball away so cheaply they'd get flayed alive playing like that today.
The world moves on...
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Why bring up DPs football from 20 odd years ago?
Not saying we shouldn't be using it all, I'm saying I think there's an over reliance on it.
And division 4 footballers cannot implement it like PL or Championship standard players can.
It's still boring to watch though. Not as much spontaneity in football anymore.
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Why bring up DPs football from 20 odd years ago?
Not saying we shouldn't be using it all, I'm saying I think there's an over reliance on it.
And division 4 footballers cannot implement it like PL or Championship standard players can.
It's still boring to watch though. Not as much spontaneity in football anymore.
I brought it up because I loved watching it.
At the time.
It would be f**king awful today
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If you want to be entertained then watching a game of chess might not be the way to go. I think the end point with the over-reliance on data as the means of 'improving' will ultimately result in watching a game as entertaining as chess.
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If you want to be entertained then watching a game of chess might not be the way to go. I think the end point with the over-reliance on data as the means of 'improving' will ultimately result in watching a game as entertaining as chess.
Raw data on its own doesn’t tell you much at all, there’s a lot of context behind every measure.
I think it’s good for telling you how good a finisher someone is and how good they are at winning duels.
The rest depends on the style of play of the team they play for, how good that team is and whether player X is being utilised in the correct way.
A defender with great data for clearances probably plays for a team that sits back for example.
A midfielder who is good on the ball but plays for a direct team will have a lower pass completion percentage.
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How much data crunching did we do 2nd half of last season? Looked to me like we had good players in a settled system and gave them license to attack the opposition.
The data stuff is important but there’s a thing where too much leads to reality blindness. I’m convinced it’s under instructions that we take an age to throw the ball into play. Great no turn overs I guess however we’ll never look like scoring or upsetting the opposition. In that situation you can stick your data where it don’t shine I know it’s better to get the ball in play quicker and get after teams. At least I’d rather watch that for all the difference in point it’d equal come end of season.
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Regarding Hurst. We don't play to his strengths. Nor Molyneux's yesterday. Consistently pumping high balls up to him and expecting some kind of positive to come out of it.
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There was a couple of times yesterday I saw a bit of Ian Snodin in Crew
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The crunching tackle he won in the 2nd half definitely lifted things in the ground.
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You reckon Liverpool don't use data?
They are one of the most scintillating teams to watch in the history of the game.
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World class players vs division 4 players.
No comparison.
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Well it’s scandalous if true. No one can tell me with a straight face that Clifton, Sbarra, and Gibson are better than him.
For that matter same goes for Close and Westbrook who I believe are better than the above mentioned players and Broadbent and Kelly.
We’ve lost our way. We’re slow, ponderous and shot shy because we’re not good enough to move the ball quickly so take the easy option with a sideways or backward pass. And don’t get me started on the standard of crossing.
It’s morphing into a Schofield type side just with better players.
How have we got to this point? McCann was an all out attacking manager, yet here we are watching insipid attritional football devoid of much entertainment.
Whatever it is m it’s football that’s getting results, have a look at the table, that’s all that matters
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I’m well aware of the table, brains. This is my opinion on a forum where people express opinions in a safe place without bellowing it from the stands. And my opinion is, is rotten to watch and we’re pushing our luck. It will only last so long.
That ok? You only crawl out the woodwork when folk dare criticise what they see. Bore off.
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You reckon Liverpool don't use data?
They are one of the most scintillating teams to watch in the history of the game.
Liverpool are the best run club in the country. Fully reliant on data.
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There was a couple of times yesterday I saw a bit of Ian Snodin in Crew
Agreed, his 50/50 challenge reminded me of him at that very moment.
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What have all these posts about data to do with Charlie Crew?
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There was a couple of times yesterday I saw a bit of Ian Snodin in Crew
That’s a good shout actually andysly.
I thought Crew looked exactly what he is yesterday - a talented young lad who has lots to learn.
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There was a couple of times yesterday I saw a bit of Ian Snodin in Crew
That’s a good shout actually andysly.
I thought Crew looked exactly what he is yesterday - a talented young lad who has lots to learn.
Definitely when he put that tackle in and came away with the ball shows he's not afraid to mix it. The comparisons to Ian are likely to grow.
If his learning curve is anything like game one to game two, then he's going to be a very good player.
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I’m well aware of the table, brains. This is my opinion on a forum where people express opinions in a safe place without bellowing it from the stands. And my opinion is, is rotten to watch and we’re pushing our luck. It will only last so long.
That ok? You only crawl out the woodwork when folk dare criticise what they see. Bore off.
Folk like you have been saying it’ll only last so long for weeks now. If I only came out when people were being negative I’d be on here all the time with folk like you.
I’d take a miserable 1-0 win every week if that got us promoted, couldn’t care less about being entertained
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What’s the point then you freak. You may as well sit at home and watch teletext!!
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There was a couple of times yesterday I saw a bit of Ian Snodin in Crew
Agreed
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What’s the point then you freak. You may as well sit at home and watch teletext!!
Cramby you said yourself it's a forum for opinion, you put yours he put his no need to get upset about it and start namecalling
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That’s told me. Won’t sleep tonight
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What’s the point then you freak. You may as well sit at home and watch teletext!!
Freak!
What a strange old chap you are
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It has been a strange first half of the season, we are picking up points and are currently 3rd, but teams around us winning games in hand would drop us down to 6th. We're also in 4th round of FA Cup which is another decent achievement.
But, we haven't really looked great at any point though. We smashed Grimsby off the park first half at their place then didn't bother turning up second half. And other than that I can't remember a performance where I thought 'wow, we are decent'.
Our season changed on the incomings in Jan last season, which boosted everyone's confidence (ours in the crowd included). Crew looks decent and if he improves as he has been over next couple of days could fill the Craig boots from last year.
It's the other loans that worry me. Ennis has looked completely lost, and didn't show much when he started on Saturday. Street looked blistering in the 30mins of his debut, but since then has been really anonymous. Add to that Moly isn't firing on all cylinders, creatively we're lacking. We're desperate for an Adulaken-type to make things happen. Can't see anyone in the team doing that at the moment.
We could kick on from here, but based on the performances at the moment, and the personnel we have, equally we could slide the other way if we stop getting the breaks we have been.
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It has been a strange first half of the season, we are picking up points and are currently 3rd, but teams around us winning games in hand would drop us down to 6th. We're also in 4th round of FA Cup which is another decent achievement.
But, we haven't really looked great at any point though. We smashed Grimsby off the park first half at their place then didn't bother turning up second half. And other than that I can't remember a performance where I thought 'wow, we are decent'.
Our season changed on the incomings in Jan last season, which boosted everyone's confidence (ours in the crowd included). Crew looks decent and if he improves as he has been over next couple of days could fill the Craig boots from last year.
It's the other loans that worry me. Ennis has looked completely lost, and didn't show much when he started on Saturday. Street looked blistering in the 30mins of his debut, but since then has been really anonymous. Add to that Moly isn't firing on all cylinders, creatively we're lacking. We're desperate for an Adulaken-type to make things happen. Can't see anyone in the team doing that at the moment.
We could kick on from here, but based on the performances at the moment, and the personnel we have, equally we could slide the other way if we stop getting the breaks we have been.
Good post, Reg. However, regarding your second paragraph, I thought we ripped Bradford and Fleetwood apart in those 2 away games, and could never understand GM making changes after each of those games.
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I’m well aware of the table, brains. This is my opinion on a forum where people express opinions in a safe place without bellowing it from the stands. And my opinion is, is rotten to watch and we’re pushing our luck. It will only last so long.
That ok? You only crawl out the woodwork when folk dare criticise what they see. Bore off.
Folk like you have been saying it’ll only last so long for weeks now. If I only came out when people were being negative I’d be on here all the time with folk like you.
I’d take a miserable 1-0 win every week if that got us promoted, couldn’t care less about being entertained
You frequently draw our attention “the table” and the pleasure you derive from seeing Rovers at the top, but is not the prime subject of discussion on here football itself?
As for Liverpool Gaz, I don’t think they could be “fully” reliant on data. The new manager impresses me more than his predecessor and do not Salah etc., have flair?
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That’s told me. Won’t sleep tonight
Had to laugh out loud at this, Dickos never churns out insults does he, oh the irony.
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I’m well aware of the table, brains. This is my opinion on a forum where people express opinions in a safe place without bellowing it from the stands. And my opinion is, is rotten to watch and we’re pushing our luck. It will only last so long.
That ok? You only crawl out the woodwork when folk dare criticise what they see. Bore off.
Folk like you have been saying it’ll only last so long for weeks now. If I only came out when people were being negative I’d be on here all the time with folk like you.
I’d take a miserable 1-0 win every week if that got us promoted, couldn’t care less about being entertained
You frequently draw our attention “the table” and the pleasure you derive from seeing Rovers at the top, but is not the prime subject of discussion on here football itself?
As for Liverpool Gaz, I don’t think they could be “fully” reliant on data. The new manager impresses me more than his predecessor and do not Salah etc., have flair?
How do you think they selected the new manager? Data.
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How does data = no flair?
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How does data = no flair?
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How does data = no flair?
(https://i.imgur.com/5NfLovZ.jpg)
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Said it before and I’ll say it again.. data is great for where it is needed - managers, coaches, bookies perhaps.
For fans.?? Did we care what the data was when we went ahead vs Barrow last season for example.?
Or at Brentford, Wembley etc.??
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How does data = no flair?
Clearly no one has measured Josh Emmanuel’s ‘step overs per 90’.
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Class again.
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Give him a few more games and he his gonna boss games.
Started to get hold of the game before he went off.
Very good on the ball and is always showing for it. And the ball that he played with the outside of his boot that flashed across the 6yrd box deserved poking home
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Hes gonna be some player for sure. Getting better and better game by game.
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Tidy enough on the ball, got legs. Needs to really impact the game more as he grows into the loan.
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Unlucky to come off really, but he was on a yellow playing in a position where theres a good chance he’d get another so wise decision really
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What a signing he is. Class act.
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Hes gonna be some player for sure. Getting better and better game by game.
…….which is exactly what Matty Craig did last season!
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Our passing was much more accurate tonight,also less mistakes made than usual,and that's down to the addition of Crew and Ennis,they are great players for their age
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What a signing he is. Class act.
Little step overs & attempted drag backs on the edge of your own penalty box when surrounded by three opponents not to be encouraged mind but yes, a very talented young footballer.
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I'd love to see him break forward more. He put a dangerous cross in just out of Ironside's reach a few minutes before he came off.
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Our passing was much more accurate tonight,also less mistakes made than usual,and that's down to the addition of Crew and Ennis,they are great players for their age
That's good to hear. I was saying a couple of games back, if we only reduce those unforced errors, we give ourselves a much better chance.
It's really working out well for the new lads. Tough games which help them to understand there's no walks in the parks. At any level you have to work hard and earn the right to showcase the skills.
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Our passing was much more accurate tonight,also less mistakes made than usual,and that's down to the addition of Crew and Ennis,they are great players for their age
That's good to hear. I was saying a couple of games back, if we only reduce those unforced errors, we give ourselves a much better chance.
It's really working out well for the new lads. Tough games which help them to understand there's no walks in the parks. At any level you have to work hard and earn the right to showcase the skills.
I also think its not a coincidence that our passing game is starting to come back. Playing the ball forward quicker and cutting out the extra touches at the back have resulted in a better progression forward.
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I'd love to see him break forward more. He put a dangerous cross in just out of Ironside's reach a few minutes before he came off.
That cross was of very high quality.
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He ran the game in the first half, he has started to look less fragile as he’s adapting to the level and physicality of it.
Looks as good as Matty Craig did, if not better, the deep lying role suits him.
Second half we lost our way for a bit, and just hoofed everything at any opportunity in any direction, so he had less impact.
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I never thought I would be complementary towards Leeds, but have to thank them for allowing Charlie to come to rovers.
This lad is good and reads the game really well, he’s quick to offer cover once he sees any of our defenders getting out of position. His passing is spot on and he’s not afraid to tackle, seems to be pick pocketing balls from opposite with ease.
Does remind me of both Ian Snodin and Brian Stock.
Imagine what he’s going be like when he bulks out a bit!
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I never thought I would be complementary towards Leeds, but have to thank them for allowing Charlie to come to rovers.
This lad is good and reads the game really well, he’s quick to offer cover once he sees any of our defenders getting out of position. His passing is spot on and he’s not afraid to tackle, seems to be pick pocketing balls from opposite with ease.
Does remind me of both Ian Snodin and Brian Stock.
Imagine what he’s going be like when he bulks out a bit!
He’s not afraid to challenge for a ball in the air either IN. He not only wins his fair share against opponents bigger than him, but when the ball comes to him head height when the opposition is ‘in & around’ him he heads the ball to a team mate which also shows that he’s ‘automatically’ aware of who & what’s around him. That appreciation of seeing ‘the whole picture’ makes this kid special.
Jammy Leeds!
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I think we passed better from the back as the defenders trust him more than Broadbent. Once he was replaced the defenders were clearing it first time nearly every time, until near the end when the game was over.
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You reckon Liverpool don't use data?
They are one of the most scintillating teams to watch in the history of the game.
Liverpool are the best run club in the country. Fully reliant on data.
That was my point.