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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Metalmicky on February 13, 2025, 04:13:27 pm
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On shortlist for Blackburn job apparently...
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/blackburn-rovers-shortlist-former-doncaster-rovers-and-leicester-city-man-following-john-eustace-exit-4989305
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Be a good move that.
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Makes you wonder what we could have achieved if he’d not had to entertain that clown Blunt, and instead had the same resources what Grants had?
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There are a few on here with egg on their face.
Throwing dirt at him at every opportunity.
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Yeah we were a difficult club to manage with the tight attitude that seemed to prevail. Wonder what we told managers when interviewing for them to take the job on. They must have either thought the club would budge on money when they got through the door or were just naive to think they could produce on a shoe string.
For our budget back then we shouldn’t have been hiring anyone wanting to play football. Proper attrition managers are needed if you can’t afford the players.
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And the other managers we went through, people made personal attacks thinking it was all the managers doing. The actual reality is they were probably over achieving, and could have done decent jobs given the chances.
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I’d say some didn’t help themselves by trying to be a footballing side when we didn’t have the players. But if that was the brief from the top it’s understandable. For me the manager should try get 3pts by any means when the club is struggling.
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Wellens said he was specifically employed to return Rovers to the style of football created by SOD when we had an identity of being the Arsenal of the north.
He admitted he was often cutting his nose off to spite his face in his team selection and tactics.
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Good manager, wrong time,. He was screwed by injuries but then didn't help himself with the Bogle and Williams situation.
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If the team needed Bogle and Williams to improve it, it just shows how poor the quality was.
Like Wellens said there have been far better players than Bogle and Williams who have been consigned to training away from first-team squads elsewhere.
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He's done brilliantly at Leyton Orient. But that doesn't mean he was poor here. Yea the budget wasn't great but he was a poor manager for us, signed poor players and didn't play his best team. It didn't work, but good on him for making it work elsewhere.
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Barely had a pot to piss in when it came to signing players. Proven himself to be a top manager.
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He's done brilliantly at Leyton Orient. But that doesn't mean he was poor here. Yea the budget wasn't great but he was a poor manager for us, signed poor players and didn't play his best team. It didn't work, but good on him for making it work elsewhere.
You don't often get good players by offering them poor pay. Of course, you can come across the odd bargain who turns out to be a steal, but it would be nye on impossible to fill a team up with such signings.
Wellens tried to do the nye on impossible.
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If the team needed Bogle and Williams to improve it, it just shows how poor the quality was.
Like Wellens said there have been far better players than Bogle and Williams who have been consigned to training away from first-team squads elsewhere.
I thought he needed them off the wage bill although i could be wrong. He was dealt a poor hand but played it badly. Pleased for him to be doing well at Orient.
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If the team needed Bogle and Williams to improve it, it just shows how poor the quality was.
Like Wellens said there have been far better players than Bogle and Williams who have been consigned to training away from first-team squads elsewhere.
I thought he needed them off the wage bill although i could be wrong. He was dealt a poor hand but played it badly. Pleased for him to be doing well at Orient.
He did need them off the wage bill. Bogle turned down two offers, which meant there was no cash available for Wellens to buy another striker.
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Difficult budget absolutely undoubtedly but he presided over the worst transfer window in our recent history. Absolutely diabolical business.
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Joe Wright being another case of someone being given 12 months contract for being injured who then promptly got himself fit and pissed off
That's not true. He made 39 appearances in his last season contracted with the club (2020/21), picked up an injury in the last game of the season and wasn't given a new deal. He just did his rehab with the club the following season.
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Smyth strikes again! Lol
BobG
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Joe Wright being another case of someone being given 12 months contract for being injured who then promptly got himself fit and pissed off
That's not true. He made 39 appearances in his last season contracted with the club (2020/21), picked up an injury in the last game of the season and wasn't given a new deal. He just did his rehab with the club the following season.
Ah, part of everyone's contract in football, sorry I didn't know that.
Given a contract because he was injured playing, you didn't write that but that's the inference of your post.
Of course were T.Bramall to say at the next M.T.O that getting better use of the budget is going to be central to the clubs decision making in future BobG would be first cheering and saying it's long overdue.
Smyth strikes again.
Eh? No inference, that's just what happened. He wasn't given a contract.
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Smyth now vainly attempting to defend the indefensible...
BobG
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Makes you wonder what we could have achieved if he’d not had to entertain that clown Blunt, and instead had the same resources what Grants had?
Wonder how the clowns who kept defending the board and blunt during that period feel now? :rolleyes:
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Joe Wright being another case of someone being given 12 months contract for being injured who then promptly got himself fit and pissed off
That's not true. He made 39 appearances in his last season contracted with the club (2020/21), picked up an injury in the last game of the season and wasn't given a new deal. He just did his rehab with the club the following season.
Ah, part of everyone's contract in football, sorry I didn't know that.
Given a contract because he was injured playing, you didn't write that but that's the inference of your post.
Of course were T.Bramall to say at the next M.T.O that getting better use of the budget is going to be central to the clubs decision making in future BobG would be first cheering and saying it's long overdue.
Smyth strikes again.
Eh? No inference, that's just what happened. He wasn't given a contract.
My recollection was he wanted to leave at the end of the season and try pastures new. Unfortunately he got injured in the last game so Rovers allowed him to rehab with us as a gesture of goodwill, seeing as he got injured wearing the red n white hoops.
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My Orient ST Holder friend is full of praise for him and what he has done there was basically what he was hired to do for us. What is probably not generally known is that he has done what he has despite big injury problems.
Although he did not really get the players he wanted here, he probably did not manage those he had as well as he could and perhaps that’s a lesson he took to Orient, but their situation when he took over was probably worse than what he inherited at Rovers.
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It’s interesting that we felt (maybe still do) feel wedded to the footballing philosophy of the SOD days. Particularly because 4 of our 5 promotions since the early 2000s have been achieved without it.
It was the brief given to Wellens, McSheffrey and Schofield. Why was it so important? Particularly when the budget and recruitment strategy wasn’t there for it.
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I have mixed emotions regarding Richie. I am chuffed to bits for him that he's succeeding so well at Orient.
And in equal measure I'm sad and frustrated that it didn't work out for him with us.
He could / should have been the 'dream' appointment. One of the best players in the best team I've ever had the pleasure to witness during my 50+ years as a Rovers fan.
He spoke so well when he was appointed, about his desire to build something in the image of that SO'D team and his hope that this was a long-term project.
So sad that the wheels came off, but I would still have stuck with Richie (albeit I know I'm speaking with the benefit of hindsight).
So I'm delighted for him, but that will always be tinged by a feeling of what might have been.
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My take on why they wanted SOD style football was, potentially twofold.
1. It was a fantastic run up to the championship, and playing some of the most pleasing on the eye football I have witnessed at DRFC in my 40+ years attending. Essentially success and style.
2. SOD did it on a relatively low budget, he understood if we want to get where we wanted, we had to play differently. Other clubs could afford much better players at the “standard” style of play.
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Agreed I think the SOD style, getting beautiful football from so-called lesser players, was the only way we could compete in the Championship for as long as we did,- it really was an amazing achievement.
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My take on why they wanted SOD style football was, potentially twofold.
1. It was a fantastic run up to the championship, and playing some of the most pleasing on the eye football I have witnessed at DRFC in my 40+ years attending. Essentially success and style.
2. SOD did it on a relatively low budget, he understood if we want to get where we wanted, we had to play differently. Other clubs could afford much better players at the “standard” style of play.
It took SOD a long time to develop what we became and unlike Copps, Richie was never actually part of the finished product. It was probably an unrealistic ideal considering where we were (and still are). The model was for another time, faded into history.
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Didn't do himself any favors spunking a chunk of his budget on Ben Close!
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Grant McCann signed a two-year contract extension for Ben Close in March 2024. This extension will keep Close at the club until the summer of 2026.
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This club was on a downward spiral for years, thank the lord Blunt has gone and TB has taken full control, now we can look forward again. This is our second season challenging for promotion, hopefully this one will be a success.
TB has taken over, backed GM and things are changing.
I know look back on the Schofield time and feel for the fella. The state we were in, with no support there isn't anything that anyone could've done, we could have just ruined his future career.
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This club was on a downward spiral for years, thank the lord Blunt has gone and TB has taken full control, now we can look forward again. This is our second season challenging for promotion, hopefully this one will be a success.
TB has taken over, backed GM and things are changing.
I know look back on the Schofield time and feel for the fella. The state we were in, with no support there isn't anything that anyone could've done, we could have just ruined his future career.
I understand that DS is now doing well for himself and working as a coach in Australia.
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It appears Gary McSheffrey got a bad deal also. He seemed reluctant to take the manager's job and appeared content and secure in his job with the juniors.
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This club was on a downward spiral for years, thank the lord Blunt has gone and TB has taken full control, now we can look forward again. This is our second season challenging for promotion, hopefully this one will be a success.
TB has taken over, backed GM and things are changing.
I know look back on the Schofield time and feel for the fella. The state we were in, with no support there isn't anything that anyone could've done, we could have just ruined his future career.
I had to keep quiet at the time as I know the family really well but Danny told his dad that he was working with Sunday league players and only had a budget for Sunday league players.
His dad kept telling me "Donny haven't got any f**kin money, they want him to make a silk purse out of a sows arsehole".
My criticism of DS would be that he should have played a style to suit the division and the players he had. Then if he'd had a bit longer in charge, slowly implement his own style.
I think he tried the championship style too quickly for the players he had
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This club was on a downward spiral for years, thank the lord Blunt has gone and TB has taken full control, now we can look forward again. This is our second season challenging for promotion, hopefully this one will be a success.
TB has taken over, backed GM and things are changing.
I know look back on the Schofield time and feel for the fella. The state we were in, with no support there isn't anything that anyone could've done, we could have just ruined his future career.
I had to keep quiet at the time as I know the family really well but Danny told his dad that he was working with Sunday league players and only had a budget for Sunday league players.
His dad kept telling me "Donny haven't got any f**kin money, they want him to make a silk purse out of a sows arsehole".
My criticism of DS would be that he should have played a style to suit the division and the players he had. Then if he'd had a bit longer in charge, slowly implement his own style.
I think he tried the championship style too quickly for the players he had
Interesting insight Nudga
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This club was on a downward spiral for years, thank the lord Blunt has gone and TB has taken full control, now we can look forward again. This is our second season challenging for promotion, hopefully this one will be a success.
TB has taken over, backed GM and things are changing.
I know look back on the Schofield time and feel for the fella. The state we were in, with no support there isn't anything that anyone could've done, we could have just ruined his future career.
I had to keep quiet at the time as I know the family really well but Danny told his dad that he was working with Sunday league players and only had a budget for Sunday league players.
His dad kept telling me "Donny haven't got any f**kin money, they want him to make a silk purse out of a sows arsehole".
My criticism of DS would be that he should have played a style to suit the division and the players he had. Then if he'd had a bit longer in charge, slowly implement his own style.
I think he tried the championship style too quickly for the players he had
The criticism Schofield got/gets on here is way over the top in my opinion but look at some of the players he had to work with. In his first game he had Knoyle, Williams, Anderson, Clayton, Close, Biggins, Miller & Molyneux in the side - all players proven at League Two level. Olowu, Taylor, Rowe, Maxwell & Hurst also in the squad he inherited. He definitely didn’t have the resources (or the time) that McCann has had to allow him to build a squad, and Knoyle was inadequately replaced in January (“look at this PowerPoint, James Brown is miles better!”) but an 18th placed finish was still a poor achievement for me.
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This club was on a downward spiral for years, thank the lord Blunt has gone and TB has taken full control, now we can look forward again. This is our second season challenging for promotion, hopefully this one will be a success.
TB has taken over, backed GM and things are changing.
I know look back on the Schofield time and feel for the fella. The state we were in, with no support there isn't anything that anyone could've done, we could have just ruined his future career.
I had to keep quiet at the time as I know the family really well but Danny told his dad that he was working with Sunday league players and only had a budget for Sunday league players.
His dad kept telling me "Donny haven't got any f**kin money, they want him to make a silk purse out of a sows arsehole".
My criticism of DS would be that he should have played a style to suit the division and the players he had. Then if he'd had a bit longer in charge, slowly implement his own style.
I think he tried the championship style too quickly for the players he had
Interesting insight Nudga
Seems there’s always someone out there who can shine a better light on things after the fact.
Easy to say Nudga, but if I’d known what Danny Schofield was having to deal with at the time whilst taking flak from the supporters for ‘drawn on the back of a fag packet tactics’ & poor recruitment, I like to think that despite him & his family feeling you had misplaced their trust in you, I would like to think I would have found some way to shine a light on his dilemma on this forum.
I don’t think you ultimately did him any harm in not doing so because at that time the fans were ‘baying for blood’ but you didn’t do him any ‘favours’ either.
There’s a thin line between a perceived ‘betrayal of trust’ & a ‘light shone’ on a known truth.
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This club was on a downward spiral for years, thank the lord Blunt has gone and TB has taken full control, now we can look forward again. This is our second season challenging for promotion, hopefully this one will be a success.
TB has taken over, backed GM and things are changing.
I know look back on the Schofield time and feel for the fella. The state we were in, with no support there isn't anything that anyone could've done, we could have just ruined his future career.
I had to keep quiet at the time as I know the family really well but Danny told his dad that he was working with Sunday league players and only had a budget for Sunday league players.
His dad kept telling me "Donny haven't got any f**kin money, they want him to make a silk purse out of a sows arsehole".
My criticism of DS would be that he should have played a style to suit the division and the players he had. Then if he'd had a bit longer in charge, slowly implement his own style.
I think he tried the championship style too quickly for the players he had
Interesting insight Nudga
Seems there’s always someone out there who can shine a better light on things after the fact.
Easy to say Nudga, but if I’d known what Danny Schofield was having to deal with at the time whilst taking flak from the supporters for ‘drawn on the back of a fag packet tactics’ & poor recruitment, I like to think that despite him & his family feeling you had misplaced their trust in you, I would like to think I would have found some way to shine a light on his dilemma on this forum.
I don’t think you ultimately did him any harm in not doing so because at that time the fans were ‘baying for blood’ but you didn’t do him any ‘favours’ either.
There’s a thin line between a perceived ‘betrayal of trust’ & a ‘light shone’ on a known truth.
I suspect most people knew the truth anyway.
Accepting it is another story.
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This club was on a downward spiral for years, thank the lord Blunt has gone and TB has taken full control, now we can look forward again. This is our second season challenging for promotion, hopefully this one will be a success.
TB has taken over, backed GM and things are changing.
I know look back on the Schofield time and feel for the fella. The state we were in, with no support there isn't anything that anyone could've done, we could have just ruined his future career.
I had to keep quiet at the time as I know the family really well but Danny told his dad that he was working with Sunday league players and only had a budget for Sunday league players.
His dad kept telling me "Donny haven't got any f**kin money, they want him to make a silk purse out of a sows arsehole".
My criticism of DS would be that he should have played a style to suit the division and the players he had. Then if he'd had a bit longer in charge, slowly implement his own style.
I think he tried the championship style too quickly for the players he had
The criticism Schofield got/gets on here is way over the top in my opinion but look at some of the players he had to work with. In his first game he had Knoyle, Williams, Anderson, Clayton, Close, Biggins, Miller & Molyneux in the side - all players proven at League Two level. Olowu, Taylor, Rowe, Maxwell & Hurst also in the squad he inherited. He definitely didn’t have the resources (or the time) that McCann has had to allow him to build a squad, and Knoyle was inadequately replaced in January (“look at this PowerPoint, James Brown is miles better!”) but an 18th placed finish was still a poor achievement for me.
He wouldn't have led us to 18th with anything like a fair run with injuries.
By early April, he had a choice between Goodman and a 30% match fit Agard up front. While having nowt but teenagers and a crocked Tommy Rowe to choose from at the back.
As for Wellens, I've made my point before. His arrogance turned a very difficult situation for us into a full blown disaster.
Bogle was shit, but he was the best striker we had. Playing Cukur, Dodoo and Hiwula for half a season instead of Bogle cost us our place in L1. Simple as that. f**king stupid management.
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This club was on a downward spiral for years, thank the lord Blunt has gone and TB has taken full control, now we can look forward again. This is our second season challenging for promotion, hopefully this one will be a success.
TB has taken over, backed GM and things are changing.
I know look back on the Schofield time and feel for the fella. The state we were in, with no support there isn't anything that anyone could've done, we could have just ruined his future career.
I had to keep quiet at the time as I know the family really well but Danny told his dad that he was working with Sunday league players and only had a budget for Sunday league players.
His dad kept telling me "Donny haven't got any f**kin money, they want him to make a silk purse out of a sows arsehole".
My criticism of DS would be that he should have played a style to suit the division and the players he had. Then if he'd had a bit longer in charge, slowly implement his own style.
I think he tried the championship style too quickly for the players he had
Interesting insight Nudga
Seems there’s always someone out there who can shine a better light on things after the fact.
Easy to say Nudga, but if I’d known what Danny Schofield was having to deal with at the time whilst taking flak from the supporters for ‘drawn on the back of a fag packet tactics’ & poor recruitment, I like to think that despite him & his family feeling you had misplaced their trust in you, I would like to think I would have found some way to shine a light on his dilemma on this forum.
I don’t think you ultimately did him any harm in not doing so because at that time the fans were ‘baying for blood’ but you didn’t do him any ‘favours’ either.
There’s a thin line between a perceived ‘betrayal of trust’ & a ‘light shone’ on a known truth.
If you'd have been on thr forum.at the time, you would have seen what I wrote without actually naming people.