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Title: Unconvincing
Post by: richtherover on February 18, 2025, 10:07:14 pm
Happy with the 3 points but we desperately need more firepower. We should have been out of sight by half time and not biting our nails towards the end. They were awful but we just did enough. A big improvement needed for the final push I think. A few more scrappy 1-0 wins will do fine though. RTID
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: RoverinLincs on February 18, 2025, 10:11:55 pm
We are not a great time to watch.

Lacking quality all over the pitch, only Molyneux Olowu and Anderson showed up tonight.

I know street got a goal but he should of had loads more with those chances
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Nudga on February 18, 2025, 10:13:23 pm
3 points papers over the cracks. Awful team.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: rich1471 on February 18, 2025, 10:14:15 pm
That pitch was terrible to play on win ugly is still a win
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: DonnyAps on February 18, 2025, 10:14:52 pm
Thought it was a good hard fought win on a farmers field/sandpit of a pitch, fought hard when down to 10.
We’re a league 2 team not premiership.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: DollyRover on February 18, 2025, 10:15:53 pm
I don't understand what happens after around 10-15 minutes, every game is the same. Dominate early proceedings then retreat into ourselves, only difference today was we scored when we were infront
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on February 18, 2025, 10:16:54 pm
We are not a great time to watch.

Lacking quality all over the pitch, only Molyneux Olowu and Anderson showed up tonight.

I know street got a goal but he should of had loads more with those chances

Yes, but Street was getting in good positions to score, even if he only converted one. Aren't there crumbs for comfort?
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: drfchound on February 18, 2025, 10:18:49 pm
We are not a great time to watch.

Lacking quality all over the pitch, only Molyneux Olowu and Anderson showed up tonight.

I know street got a goal but he should of had loads more with those chances

Yes, but Street was getting in good positions to score, even if he only converted one. Aren't there crumbs for comfort?

He could have had a first half hat trick with just a bit more composure.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Bentley Bullet on February 18, 2025, 10:19:20 pm
We were shite, they were shiter.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: mushRTID on February 18, 2025, 10:20:39 pm
Difficult to watch after 25min but a brilliant night of results.
By the way Notts fans aren’t happy with their performance and apparently Wimbledon looked very average too!
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Pintolager on February 18, 2025, 10:33:12 pm
Thought it was a good hard fought win on a farmers field/sandpit of a pitch, fought hard when down to 10.
We’re a league 2 team not premiership.

Agree with you. We fought out the win on an awful pitch. The players dug in and did what they had to. Yes, it was difficult to watch especially second half and I wanted them to get a second goal to kill Morecambe off, but a win is a win. Personally I thought Street had a great game for what he did.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 18, 2025, 10:34:23 pm
Difficult to watch after 25min but a brilliant night of results.
By the way Notts fans aren’t happy with their performance and apparently Wimbledon looked very average too!

Exactly, not just us in L2!
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: StocksArmy on February 18, 2025, 10:36:16 pm
If there are anybody who doesn’t believe we deserved to win that then they need to pack in watching football.

Missing easy chances, the midfield being nowhere near 2nd balls and being so needlessly wasteful in possession may well cost us promotion. But we deserved to win that. Morecambe offered nothing.

Our crossing though….. it makes me want to rip my hair out the amount of times somebody (mainly Sterry) has time to cross the ball and it goes that far away from any Rovers player it’s unreal. It’s either that or it’s crossed into the first player. It is beyond annoying even if we do score from a few.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: PDX_Rover on February 18, 2025, 10:36:32 pm
Not too downhearted about that. Dug in for a win. Yes, we should have had more to show in terms of goals, but f**k it, points on the board and back to winning ways on the copacabana del morecambe.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: drfchound on February 18, 2025, 10:37:02 pm
Difficult to watch after 25min but a brilliant night of results.
By the way Notts fans aren’t happy with their performance and apparently Wimbledon looked very average too!

Exactly, not just us in L2!

You would think so with the way some of our fans talk.
All teams have tough times, especially now that every game means so much during the run in.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Canadian Rover on February 18, 2025, 10:38:53 pm
I was happy with that performance. From a defending point of view, effort and commitment throughout the team.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Nudga on February 18, 2025, 10:43:45 pm
Difficult to watch after 25min but a brilliant night of results.
By the way Notts fans aren’t happy with their performance and apparently Wimbledon looked very average too!

Exactly, not just us in L2!

You would think so with the way some of our fans talk.
All teams have tough times, especially now that every game means so much during the run in.

Hound mate, come on, we've been waiting for this team to click for months now.
They still look like a team that's just met.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Ryaldinhio on February 18, 2025, 10:48:19 pm
Difficult to watch after 25min but a brilliant night of results.
By the way Notts fans aren’t happy with their performance and apparently Wimbledon looked very average too!

Exactly, not just us in L2!

You would think so with the way some of our fans talk.
All teams have tough times, especially now that every game means so much during the run in.

Hound mate, come on, we've been waiting for this team to click for months now.
They still look like a team that's just met.

They look like a team that are in 3rd spot and automatic promotion places in league 2 to me
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Nudga on February 18, 2025, 10:56:04 pm
Hardly been free flowing for any part of the season. We've been bumbling our way through this season.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: GazLaz on February 18, 2025, 11:01:36 pm
We were really good tonight admittedly against a poor team (whatever Grant says in his interview). Should have been out of sight before the sending off but judge teams on the chances they create not necessarily how many they take. And then when the chips were down we defended manfully.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: SydneyRover on February 18, 2025, 11:04:11 pm
I think the question comes if we have to scrap it out in the play-offs?
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Lesonthewest on February 18, 2025, 11:04:28 pm
Hard watch tonight, but taking the positives from it I thought the effort, workrate, & determination was miles better than Saturday, & picking up second balls in the first half. This should all be a given from now to the end of the season, no excuses.

Also thought playing Street in the number 9 role gave us something we've lacked all season, gave defenders problems getting in behind, & his hold up play was excellent. The run he made from Broadbents excellent pass was refreshing to watch. If we get players like Mollyneux in & around him, we might just put a run together at the right time. Hard fought 3 points tonight, onto the next.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: drfchound on February 18, 2025, 11:16:27 pm
Difficult to watch after 25min but a brilliant night of results.
By the way Notts fans aren’t happy with their performance and apparently Wimbledon looked very average too!

Exactly, not just us in L2!

You would think so with the way some of our fans talk.
All teams have tough times, especially now that every game means so much during the run in.

Hound mate, come on, we've been waiting for this team to click for months now.
They still look like a team that's just met.

Oh I agree that we haven’t had many really good performances but i was saying basically that fans of other teams will be saying the same.
Notts fans will be distraught tonight after only drawing with Colchester.
I think we are chopping and changing the team too much but tonight I think Street might have shown that he could be this seasons Adelakun.
Title: Re: Unconvincing ight
Post by: ForsolongaRover on February 18, 2025, 11:54:13 pm
Colchester were far better than Morecambe when we played them on an equally bad pitch and the quality from both sides then was better than tonight.

It was a dreadful game to watch.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Pancho Regan on February 19, 2025, 12:05:02 am
We totally dominated the first 30 minutes tonight and really should have been out of sight by half time.
This is my concern, that we rarely put teams to the sword when we are on top.

A very different second half and Morecambe posed more of a danger but they never really looked like scoring.
I was very pleased with the way we dug in and particularly the way we fought and defended, especially when we were down to ten men.
Much more effort and tenacity than we showed on Saturday.

I’ll take that win. It might have only been 1-0 but it was an important and well-earned victory.

On we go to Accrington.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: dickos1 on February 19, 2025, 12:19:11 am
Some of you lot need to do something else with your time. Tonight I thought we were great against a team fighting for their lives on a dreadful pitch. Winning games like that are what get teams promoted, should’ve been 3/4 nil comfortably. Great performance
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: rich1471 on February 19, 2025, 12:38:38 am
Some of you lot need to do something else with your time. Tonight I thought we were great against a team fighting for their lives on a dreadful pitch. Winning games like that are what get teams promoted, should’ve been 3/4 nil comfortably. Great performance
totally agree we did what we could on an awful pitch and street was very good offers much more than sharpe and ironside have done recently
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Move DRFC on February 19, 2025, 01:36:11 am
Street offering way more than Sharp and Ironside, a massive 3 points towards promotion, winning on an absolute horror pitch away from home whilst we had 10 men for half of the second half.

Lighten up lads!
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Padge_DRFC on February 19, 2025, 06:18:37 am
Street gets in positions to score which never happens with Ironside and Sharp. At least Ironside usually holds the ball up well. Not sure what Sharp contributes any more.

Street is Ironside but with pace and looks like scoring more
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: andyst79 on February 19, 2025, 06:24:36 am
Street gets in positions to score which never happens with Ironside and Sharp. At least Ironside usually holds the ball up well. Not sure what Sharp contributes any more.

Street is Ironside but with pace and looks like scoring more
He can shift for a big lad , absolutely terrified the life out of there defence and ran them ragged early doors and made chances for himself getting in behind which is something we've been missing, If he was a prolific finisher we wouldn't have him on loan so can't complain
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Northants Nomad on February 19, 2025, 09:20:00 am
League Two is an awful standard and we frequently get dragged down to playing in the same style as the opposition. The pitch tonight really didn’t help us break out of playing that way. About three games ago we played Milton Keynes Dons in what was a great game of football. We definitely have it in us when we play against a more footballing team. Don’t underestimate the impact of playing against a team that doesn’t want to play football. Remember where Morecambe are in the league and I think it’s fair to say we should not expect them to be playing like Brazil.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: pib on February 19, 2025, 09:34:41 am
I thought we were good last night. Totally in control until the red card and then a great effort to see it out against a big, physical team.

Only criticism is not putting the chances away. First half we were dominant and I didn’t want the half time whistle to go as it felt like a 2nd goal was inevitable.

We started like a house on fire and could’ve been 2 or 3 up in the first 20 minutes. The early goal helped to draw them out a bit, and I think it was the correct tactic to play from back to front and try to get Street in behind and running the channels on a shocking surface.

Morecambe were awful though, tougher tests to come but 3 points on the board is the important thing.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: edlored on February 19, 2025, 09:49:29 am
Trouble was when Street went off we had no out ball unfortunately Ironside and Sharpe couldn't catch a cold
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: oggycompton on February 19, 2025, 09:57:29 am
Street just needs games and the sharpness will come back. Miles better and more of a threat than Ironside towing his anchor
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Belle Vue Boy on February 19, 2025, 09:59:19 am
After Saturday regardless of performance it was to get 3 points and we got that on blackpool beach so for me credit to the lads last night they did what we needed and it was never gonna be a great game on that pitch. we just played at their level better and got the goal  :bbscarf:
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: drfchound on February 19, 2025, 10:16:41 am
I thought we were good last night. Totally in control until the red card and then a great effort to see it out against a big, physical team.

Only criticism is not putting the chances away. First half we were dominant and I didn’t want the half time whistle to go as it felt like a 2nd goal was inevitable.

We started like a house on fire and could’ve been 2 or 3 up in the first 20 minutes. The early goal helped to draw them out a bit, and I think it was the correct tactic to play from back to front and try to get Street in behind and running the channels on a shocking surface.

Morecambe were awful though, tougher tests to come but 3 points on the board is the important thing.

We also had two glorious chances in the second half.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Avsuptem on February 19, 2025, 10:34:34 am
In the early part of that game we looked like the team i expected us to be at the start of the season and was just delayed in appearing. Then it all reverted to mediocrity again. Not sure why. But our goal diffence tells the story compared to our promotion rivals. Go to admit I am finding it hard to sustain my optimism now.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Reg of the Rovers on February 19, 2025, 10:40:58 am
It was very unconvincing, but a win is a win. The key is what happens next. Accy Stanley, Newport, Bromley then Swindon. If Grant wants to keep his desire to win the league alive we need to go five in a row (including yesterday).

Then it's toe to toe with our recent arch-nemesis Crewe and promotion rivals Salford.

It's not a good league, and we've still not looked anything other than unconvincing. But we're still right up there. It's up to Grant now to push us up a couple of levels.

Street to start next game up top. We're still crying out for 3-5-2, Ironside on to support Street and go back three to compensate for no available right backs. Come on Grant, it's time to shine again now.

Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: GazLaz on February 19, 2025, 10:42:22 am
In the early part of that game we looked like the team i expected us to be at the start of the season and was just delayed in appearing. Then it all reverted to mediocrity again. Not sure why. But our goal diffence tells the story compared to our promotion rivals. Go to admit I am finding it hard to sustain my optimism now.

I said to the lad I was with last night at HT, if you took each 15mim period of the first half and analysed it, you wouldn’t have thought it was the same team playing in each 15min period. We were fine generally yesterday but it’s all so inconsistent, even within games. No real pattern. Just players on a pitch, trying hard, and in some sort of basic shape.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Bills view on February 19, 2025, 10:43:12 am
If we continue to show that fight and tenacity across the pitch for the full 90 mins going forward we should do fine.

As has been said we created more chances, proper ones, and that's been missing.

We do need to tuck more away and make the right decisions when in good situations.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: drfchound on February 19, 2025, 10:49:08 am
Gaz, we have started the last two games really well but in both of them the opposition have somehow contrived “an injury break” which has changed the pattern of play.
Either we have struggled to keep doing what we were doing or the opposition manager has changed things and Grant hasn’t been able to counter it.
These injury breaks happen all the time in football now and are as important to the tactics as anything the players have been doing.
When a team has built up a good head of steam and put the other side under pressure which has resulted in say, a corner, how many times do we see a defender sit down in the box and need treatment.
By the time the corner is taken the adrenaline levels of the attacking team has dropped and the crowds too.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: GazLaz on February 19, 2025, 10:53:09 am
Gaz, we have started the last two games really well but in both of them the opposition have somehow contrived “an injury break” which has changed the pattern of play.
Either we have struggled to keep doing what we were doing or the opposition manager has changed things and Grant hasn’t been able to counter it.
These injury breaks happen all the time in football now and are as important to the tactics as anything the players have been doing.
When a team has built up a good head of steam and put the other side under pressure which has resulted in say, a corner, how many times do we see a defender sit down in the box and need treatment.
By the time the corner is taken the adrenaline levels of the attacking team has dropped and the crowds too.

Happening every game after 20 odd minutes aren’t they. Does my head in. No excuse for dropping off like we have though, managers always make tactical tweaks. It’s an intensity drop off I think as much as anything.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: jmt23 on February 19, 2025, 12:35:35 pm
I am not having this was not a tactical issue last night.
We scored and created at least four good goal scoring chances by playing fast paced passing and moving - I was in no doubt they were gonna get a right hammering and we were only 6 mins in to the game.

THEN the “tactical” change happened instead of keeping up with playing how we were, we went high and long with everything!Just lump it away anywhere?

My frustration is, that could have been a real confidence builder but it has left a lot of fans feeling flat and concerned we can get promoted, and we are third in the league.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: Copps is Magic on February 19, 2025, 01:02:57 pm
I don't think any team in the FL could have put a 'convincing' performance on that pitch last night. We did what we needed to do, and a complete turnaround from the Grimsby game where lacked testicles.

It also seemed to build the confidence among the lads, an intangible quality but vitally important at this stage of the season.
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: BobG on February 19, 2025, 02:11:23 pm
How did Derby County win the Football League? That pitch was about a million times worse than Morecombe's last night. Kevin Héctor and John O'Hare flying down the wings, Roy McFarland doing the cultured centre half thing and John McGovern oozing class. Different times I know,  but it is possible to play footer in a mud bath. You have to adjust pace and expectations of pitch behaviour.

BobG
Title: Re: Unconvincing
Post by: i_ateallthepies on February 19, 2025, 02:48:04 pm
We are not a great time to watch.

Lacking quality all over the pitch, only Molyneux Olowu and Anderson showed up tonight.

I know street got a goal but he should of had loads more with those chances

No player scores all the chances he gets and some of Street's chances he made for himself.  The one he hit the post with you've got to consider the pace he was travelling at and that he only missed by half a ball width.