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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Nudga on March 15, 2025, 05:20:54 pm
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I'm not making mischief here, genuinely interested to see where people are at with their thinking.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
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Absolute bonkers if anyone wants him to leave.
Lost a league 1 playoff on pens to the side that went up and a strong side at that.
Came back to us when we was at a real low point both on the pitch, off the pitch and in the stands and took us to the play offs.
Currently well in with a auto shout.
If he is pushed out the door then we as a club and fanbase will be seen as a laughing stock
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I am told by a reliable source 81 points are needed for 3rd place for what it is worth
I don't waste my time on things like that
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It not like he hasn't had the money to send. No excuses.
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I'm not making mischief here, genuinely interested to see where people are at with their thinking.
All you can hope for is a bit of progression season upon season, even though GM adopted a difficult task I'm not quite seeing it at present. Be good to revisit this at the end of the season
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All to do with circumstances. If we don't make the autos, but play well in the play-offs, and just miss out, then I'd give him one more season.
However, if we don't even make the play-offs, he'll have to be gone.
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The squad he’s put together this season is nowhere near as cohesive as it should be given the budget he’s had and the momentum we had coming in to this season.
Can’t compare his era to that of Wellens/ McSheffrey / Schofield. A lot of them players are now unemployed or in non-league.
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I'd give him next season but as others have observed in other threads, some of the recruitment has been a bit off this year so not sure if he needs a bit of assistance with that. Too many players signed for an area on the field without a specific role (even Street who could apparently play anywhere along the line until we realised he's a #9).
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Port Vale also won.
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I'd give him next season but as others have observed in other threads, some of the recruitment has been a bit off this year so not sure if he needs a bit of assistance with that. Too many players signed for an area on the field without a specific role (even Street who could apparently play anywhere along the line until we realised he's a #9).
Doesn't help himself when he goes shooting his mouth off, he's stated he wants automatic, he's been backed by the board so will be interesting to see the outcome end of season
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Moly as 10 and two speedy wide side of street if we can keep him for me
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The recruitment was atrocious last summer.
Richard wood, old cart horse. Past it 5 years ago.
Joe sbarra. Headless chicken devoid of any quality .
Jordan gibson. Legless chicken, some quality.
Harry clifton. League 2 slogger devoid of any quality.
Billy sharp. Just not played to his strengths.
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I know it's obvious but we must remember this was a total & utter sh-t show when he took over, a culmination of the previous 2 or 3 seasons. Recruitment has been bang average, & although they are his players I'm not sure he was 100% behind ALL the signings.
However he has made mistakes, not knowing entirely what it takes to get out of this league having not managed in it, chopping & changing with the 2 players for every position decision, & new contracts to squad players. But, the blocks are well & truly in place, new staff behind the scenes, training facilities being upgraded etc, it's all progression & everything seems much more professional under his management. I don't think coming out & saying we will win the league this season was a wise move, & thought so at the time. If we fall short, I believe continuity will be key, regroup in the summer & give him next season to get us promoted. Changing the manager will not be the answer in my opinion, as frustrating as this season is.
We just need to hold our nerve, stick with him & stick together in my opinion. Hopefully we make it of course.
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He’s had the funds to go out and get the league. The football is bad, we’re scraping results and still making hard work of a really poor league. I wouldn’t back Grant to have the bottle to get us through the playoffs. Top three or out for me.
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So he’s given us cup ties with Everton (twice) and Crystal Palace. Turned us around from an absolute shambles over around 3 years, to equal the clubs record number of consecutive wins ever. Got us to a play off with his ambitious never give up comments.
Got us with a very reasonable chance of a promotion, if not perhaps another exciting play off place.
So those who want rid, please tell us who you want…. ? I’m all ears
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Can i ask who you think would realistically want to come here?
Probably got 1 of the worst/most negative set of fans in the league if you follow this forum and social media.
Add the clowns who boo at home games when we are not winning at half time
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A good manager with good staff, every manager has to push the right buttons and build a team and all teams are up and down over a season none play well all season.
Putting time limits on the process is the reason so many good men lose their job, I don't agree with everything Grant does, my opinion of certain players is a lot different to his, but overall I think we are going forward, just two incidents todays penalty and when Ironside was assaulted for six yards earlier on the season have cost us a possible four points from the spot most teams would get awarded.
While he is up for it and we are top half stick with it.
My thoughts on him being adventurous and showing some confidence in players already at the club, there are two out on loan I would have back and play and would improve the defence in MHO, and I would tell them I have fetched you back to get us up.
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I’d keep him but if he walked, I wouldn’t think less of him. For a guy who has generally managed at levels above the bottom tier, he’s struggling to find a solution at this level.
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We're up there and it's competitive. We don't have the spending power to steamroller away even with a decent budget. I think he went with too much depth last summer though, understandable but it's lacked a touch of quality.
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He’s a good manager and we’d struggle to get someone with better credentials I imagine, but his business has been a bit suspect. Some decent loan signings but his permanents haven’t really convinced. The best players in our side this season - Olowu, Sterry, Maxwell, Bailey and Molyneux - all were here when he arrived. Credit for getting them up to this decent standard but we need to add to this with as good or better and that hasn’t really happened, despite our very solid budget.
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He’s a good manager and we’d struggle to get someone with better credentials I imagine, but his business has been a bit suspect. Some decent loan signings but his permanents haven’t really convinced. The best players in our side this season - Olowu, Sterry, Maxwell, Bailey and Molyneux - all were here when he arrived. Credit for getting them up to this decent standard but we need to add to this with as good or better and that hasn’t really happened, despite our very solid budget.
McCann signed Bailey and Sterry.
Ironside was immense last season and was McCann’s signing.
But he hasn’t had a clear vision of the same system this year because he’s signed /decided to play the wrong type of player in multiple positions.
My first alarm bells were when Sharp was announced because from a player profile point of view it made absolutely no sense.
Gibson replacing Haks gave us no one to stretch the opposition in behind.
Now I hear worrying things like “Ben Close may be on loan in non-league now but he’ll be a great player in league 1”, to paraphrase.
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I thought McCann signed Baily ?
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Yes, that was my error.
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Options are crap. I don't think he should only be given a season then leave if he fails but the next option is as though things are bad and it needs 2.
If he leaves we're in a mess he is very much in control of everything right now
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So for those wanting him replaced a couple of simple questions, who do you want ? And Why ?
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This a horrible poll to run at this point in the season. But for some crap refs and too much paint on a few goal posts the issue would have zero relevance. I am not going to dignify it by voting.
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So for those wanting him replaced a couple of simple questions, who do you want ? And Why ?
Yep this is my counter argument to myself. GM has a clear idea of a formation and plan to get out of this league. He may have made misjudements this year but may improve on that next year.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
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We will go up so it's irrelevant really.
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He’s a good manager and we’d struggle to get someone with better credentials I imagine, but his business has been a bit suspect. Some decent loan signings but his permanents haven’t really convinced. The best players in our side this season - Olowu, Sterry, Maxwell, Bailey and Molyneux - all were here when he arrived. Credit for getting them up to this decent standard but we need to add to this with as good or better and that hasn’t really happened, despite our very solid budget.
McCann signed Bailey and Sterry.
Ironside was immense last season and was McCann’s signing.
But he hasn’t had a clear vision of the same system this year because he’s signed /decided to play the wrong type of player in multiple positions.
My first alarm bells were when Sharp was announced because from a player profile point of view it made absolutely no sense.
Gibson replacing Haks gave us no one to stretch the opposition in behind.
Now I hear worrying things like “Ben Close may be on loan in non-league now but he’ll be a great player in league 1”, to paraphrase.
I would like to add, no GM didn’t sign Olowu, but I’m sorry Olowu was a shitshow before GM came. Molyneux was like Gibson is now, so just hold your horses, GM needs 5 years and then this club is challenging for Championship football. TIME ladies and gents TIME
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This a horrible poll to run at this point in the season. But for some crap refs and too much paint on a few goal posts the issue would have zero relevance. I am not going to dignify it by voting.
Well you didn't need to post at all then did you.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
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Stats say only Colchester and Bradford have been better than us over last 6 matches, whether that includes today not sure
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I don’t want GM to go but he will know we have underperformed the budget we have. The failure to put together a half decent midfield in particular is perplexing.
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There are four ways the season can play out. Promoted automatically, promoted via the playoffs, lose in the playoffs or don’t qualify for the playoffs.
What’s the strategy for whichever way the season plays out? For me whatever the result at the end of the season the way we move forward should be the same. The decision making should be based on what we have seen during the season and what’s best for the club in the medium to long term as opposed to being entirely outcome based.
In my opinion, and it’s a fairly confident one, we won’t achieve the level of over achievement we did back in the glory days with this club structure and management team. We might scramble over the line to promotion this season but what is realistically achievable after that? Based on performances this season and the signings we’ve made over the last period of time, not a lot. I’d be happy to see us compete at the top half of L1 but I genuinely don’t see a route there. We are miles away from that level currently. I don’t see what our edge over other similar sized clubs is, I don’t see how we operate smarter than the others, I don’t see what our long term plan is.
Grant is a good guy and a good manager but eventually he will leave, either by his own accord or pushed, then what? Back to the drawing board again with a different manager with a different vision and a different style.
On the original question, I don’t think the answer should differ if we get promoted or not. If we are to carry on the same structure, manager led with full control over everything, he may as well stay.
If we are thinking of rebooting the structure and potentially building on a more long term solid footing, with a plan to potentially build a club capable of punching above its weight, then he goes whether we get promoted or not. He certainly wouldn’t fit that model.
Make no bones about it, if we don’t get promoted this season he’s failed. Part of the responsibility of being the key decision maker is taking full responsibility.
If he was just a head catch part of a more collaborative structure then that’s a different story. There’s more of a shared responsibility.
I just hope we get promoted.
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Problem is when we seemed to try the head coach and recruitment team they weren’t given any money and made some bad decisions. It was what we needed just a shame the solution wasn’t back up with anything substantial and we ended up back at the whim of what the manager wants.
If we don’t go up Grant should hold his hands up. We’ve the players in every position just no clear way of playing which is the managers job. But I wouldn’t sack him. We know he can get a team playing properly and I’m not sure there’s better out there that we could get. If there was that’s another matter
Not that I pay much attention to potential managers but someone at the club should and if they have good evidence we can get better then we should do it. If I had a good idea of someone better I’d no qualms about getting rid if we fail to go up. Remember Grant had no qualms leaving us. That has to work both ways.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
I mentioned further up the thread that Port Vale had won.
If you didn’t have so many people on ignore you wouldn’t miss stuff like that.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
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Last year, going into the last dozen games our record against everyone was terrible.
Look what happened then.
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As a supporter you hold out hope that we will find another gear in the final 9 games and pick up the results against the teams around us, but we’re not seeing very much evidence that that is about to happen at the moment.
Tactics today seemed to be punt it over the top and hope Street can run on to it. We improved marginally when we reverted to punt it in the air to Ironside and hope that something falls to someone, but it was hardly convincing stuff, and I don’t think we can really start games like that because it was a symptom of them retreating and trying to defend their lead.
I’m amazed that we are 37 games in and still look so disjointed, lacking creativity, and struggling to execute a game plan (if there is one). The thought of another year in this league is utterly depressing. I really hope somehow we can get over the line.
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We lack momentum don’t we and look very mid-table. Whereas Colchester have got a bandwagon rolling and look potent.
The tactic of over the top to Street has been rumbled and the two wingers get some strong treatment. Gibson had a bad day at the office today but he got little help being regularly doubled up on. We’ve not resolved the midfield conundrum this season and that’ll be our undoing I think.
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It only takes a moment to win a game of football, to do that regularly you have to have a defence that doesn't look like conceding every time the opposition cross the half way line and you have your heart in your mouth.
Our keeper was the MOM today.
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This a horrible poll to run at this point in the season. But for some crap refs and too much paint on a few goal posts the issue would have zero relevance. I am not going to dignify it by voting.
Well you didn't need to post at all then did you.
Actually, looking at the results so far it's very positive and GM has 87% of votes backing him.
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There are four ways the season can play out. Promoted automatically, promoted via the playoffs, lose in the playoffs or don’t qualify for the playoffs.
What’s the strategy for whichever way the season plays out? For me whatever the result at the end of the season the way we move forward should be the same. The decision making should be based on what we have seen during the season and what’s best for the club in the medium to long term as opposed to being entirely outcome based.
In my opinion, and it’s a fairly confident one, we won’t achieve the level of over achievement we did back in the glory days with this club structure and management team. We might scramble over the line to promotion this season but what is realistically achievable after that? Based on performances this season and the signings we’ve made over the last period of time, not a lot. I’d be happy to see us compete at the top half of L1 but I genuinely don’t see a route there. We are miles away from that level currently. I don’t see what our edge over other similar sized clubs is, I don’t see how we operate smarter than the others, I don’t see what our long term plan is.
Grant is a good guy and a good manager but eventually he will leave, either by his own accord or pushed, then what? Back to the drawing board again with a different manager with a different vision and a different style.
On the original question, I don’t think the answer shouldThere are four ways the season can play out. Promoted automatically, promoted via the playoffs, lose in the playoffs or don’t qualify for the playoffs.
What’s the strategy for whichever way the season plays out? For me whatever the result at the end of the season the way we move forward should be the same. The decision making should be based on what we have seen during the season and what’s best for the club in the medium to long term as opposed to being entirely outcome based.
In my opinion, and it’s a fairly confident one, we won’t achieve the level of over achievement we did back in the glory days with this club structure and management team. We might scramble over the line to promotion this season but what is realistically achievable after that? Based on performances this season and the signings we’ve made over the last period of time, not a lot. I’d be happy to see us compete at the top half of L1 but I genuinely don’t see a route there. We are miles away from that level currently. I don’t see what our edge over other similar sized clubs is, I don’t see how we operate smarter than the others, I don’t see what our long term plan is.
Grant is a good guy and a good manager but eventually he will leave, either by his own accord or pushed, then what? Back to the drawing board again with a different manager with a different vision and a different style.
On the original question, I don’t think the answer should differ if we get promoted or not. If we are to carry on the same structure, manager led with full control over everything, he may as well stay.
If we are thinking of rebooting the structure and potentially building on a more long term solid footing, with a plan to potentially build a club capable of punching above its weight, then he goes whether we get promoted or not. He certainly wouldn’t fit that model.
Make no bones about it, if we don’t get promoted this season he’s failed. Part of the responsibility of being the key decision maker is taking full responsibility.
If he was just a head catch part of a more collaborative structure then that’s a different story. There’s more of a shared responsibility.
I just hope we get promoted.
differ if we get promoted or not. If we are to carry on the same structure, manager led with full control over everything, he may as well stay.
If we are thinking of rebooting the structure and potentially building on a more long term solid footing, with a plan to potentially build a club capable of punching above its weight, then he goes whether we get promoted or not. He certainly wouldn’t fit that model.
Make no bones about it, if we don’t get promoted this season he’s failed. Part of the responsibility of being the key decision maker is taking full responsibility.
If he was just a head catch part of a more collaborative structure then that’s a different story. There’s more of a shared responsibility.
So what would you do?
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I'd keep him, but would have strong expectations for next season if we don't go up.
Sharp hasn't done as much as I'd have hoped, but u think part of the reason for signing him is his experience and contributions behind the scenes. I'd be interested to know how that side has worked out.
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I think he shot himself in the foot from the get-go, by stating he wanted 2 players for every position. He definately missed a trick by not getting Adelakun! The budget was only good enough for his 2 players/position because he signed average and conference players. We were crying out for some quality in midfield, but he re-signed Close and Westbrook! Also, as good as TSL has been, to date, he’s not been at TLT’s level (not much we could have done with that one if TLT had bigger ideas).
There has been some confusing team choices this season, which hasn’t helped and his blood rushes when we’re chasing a game do not give the impression of a manager in control. Some signings have been given 2 or 3 year deals and if we’re in this God awful league again next season, it’s limiting what he can do to add to it. Last but not least, his choice of loans this season have been nowhere near the quality of last season’s.
In reality we’ve had some abysmal decisions go against us this season (today being no exception) and losing our entire back 4 prior to Swindon hasn’t exactly helped us. We’ve also had a love affair with the goalposts and crossbar all season, so far.
Somehow, GM has to take stock and prepare everyone for what is the most important 9 games left in this season. Get everyone fit and focused and ready to get the points we need to get us up. No if’s or but’s. If we do it, we can worry about what we do in the summer after the season has finished.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
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Since you raised recent form, this is how the table would finish if every team won the same points in their final 9 or 10 games as they have in their last
Bradford 82
Walsall 79
Port Vale 78
Colchester 77
Rovers 77
Of course they won't all win those points. But form isn't on our side, even before you factor in how hard our run in is. We need to improve significantly on recent performances to make the top 3.
Regarding the OP question, I think we have unquestionably underperformed given the investment. My take is that we have a rather ordinary squad plus Molyneux. Take him out and we're a mid table side. There's little question that we are a poorer side than we were 12 months ago. Partly because 2 years into McCann's tenure, there's little sign that we know what our best X1 is.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
You’ve picked 8 games to make your point, form tables usually consist of 6 games or 10.
Nobody is in much better form than us other than Colchester and they’re still 5 points adrift with only 9 games to go
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
Dickos
Since you raised recent form, this is how the table would finish if every team won the same points in their final 9 or 10 games as they have in their last
Bradford 82
Walsall 79
Port Vale 78
Colchester 77
Rovers 77
Of course they won't all win those points. But form isn't on our side, even before you factor in how hard our run in is. We need to improve significantly on recent performances to make the top 3.
Regarding the OP question, I think we have unquestionably underperformed given the investment. My take is that we have a rather ordinary squad plus Molyneux. Take him out and we're a mid table side. There's little question that we are a poorer side than we were 12 months ago. Partly because 2 years into McCann's tenure, there's little sign that we know what our best X1 is.
If we get promoted then of course we haven’t underperformed, that was the aim this season so it will be job done.
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I'm not making mischief here, genuinely interested to see where people are at with their thinking.
The league was wide open and has been from the start and McCann has been given freedom to build a team that he can mould . After the failure last season the club has backed him and the supporters sing his name , yet when our form dips we struggle to see why do we complain . IMO we were always going to have many moments of disappointment for as long as we ignored our lack of presents upfront . Ironside and Sharp on paper looks a good bet but it’s only raked in 14 goals from 40 + games . This has to be an over sight from McCann who would have thought perhaps twice that amount would be expected. I believe this will cost us a promotion place and possibly promotion over all . This season should have seen Rovers building for L1 but too many of his signings are just too lightweight and ineffective going forward. Our reliance on loans with the exception of Street n Low has not paid off and they have contributed little to the goals .
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
Dickos
Since you raised recent form, this is how the table would finish if every team won the same points in their final 9 or 10 games as they have in their last
Bradford 82
Walsall 79
Port Vale 78
Colchester 77
Rovers 77
Of course they won't all win those points. But form isn't on our side, even before you factor in how hard our run in is. We need to improve significantly on recent performances to make the top 3.
Regarding the OP question, I think we have unquestionably underperformed given the investment. My take is that we have a rather ordinary squad plus Molyneux. Take him out and we're a mid table side. There's little question that we are a poorer side than we were 12 months ago. Partly because 2 years into McCann's tenure, there's little sign that we know what our best X1 is.
“A rather ordinary squad plus Molyneux”.
Plus Sterry who is the best right back in the league and plus Olowu who is probably the best CB we have had since Rob Jones.
So that’s a third of the outfield players of our best starting line up.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
Dickos
Since you raised recent form, this is how the table would finish if every team won the same points in their final 9 or 10 games as they have in their last
Bradford 82
Walsall 79
Port Vale 78
Colchester 77
Rovers 77
Of course they won't all win those points. But form isn't on our side, even before you factor in how hard our run in is. We need to improve significantly on recent performances to make the top 3.
Regarding the OP question, I think we have unquestionably underperformed given the investment. My take is that we have a rather ordinary squad plus Molyneux. Take him out and we're a mid table side. There's little question that we are a poorer side than we were 12 months ago. Partly because 2 years into McCann's tenure, there's little sign that we know what our best X1 is.
“A rather ordinary squad plus Molyneux”.
Plus Sterry who is the best right back in the league and plus Olowu who is probably the best CB we have had since Rob Jones.
So that’s a third of the outfield players of our best starting line up.
Football teams aren’t as good as their best players, they are as good as their worst, or worst few anyway.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
Dickos
Since you raised recent form, this is how the table would finish if every team won the same points in their final 9 or 10 games as they have in their last
Bradford 82
Walsall 79
Port Vale 78
Colchester 77
Rovers 77
Of course they won't all win those points. But form isn't on our side, even before you factor in how hard our run in is. We need to improve significantly on recent performances to make the top 3.
Regarding the OP question, I think we have unquestionably underperformed given the investment. My take is that we have a rather ordinary squad plus Molyneux. Take him out and we're a mid table side. There's little question that we are a poorer side than we were 12 months ago. Partly because 2 years into McCann's tenure, there's little sign that we know what our best X1 is.
“A rather ordinary squad plus Molyneux”.
Plus Sterry who is the best right back in the league and plus Olowu who is probably the best CB we have had since Rob Jones.
So that’s a third of the outfield players of our best starting line up.
Football teams aren’t as good as their best players, they are as good as their worst, or worst few anyway.
Agreed Gaz but that doesn’t change the fact that Sterry and Olowu are better than ordinary L2 players does it?
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I know it's obvious but we must remember this was a total & utter sh-t show when he took over, a culmination of the previous 2 or 3 seasons. Recruitment has been bang average, & although they are his players I'm not sure he was 100% behind ALL the signings.
However he has made mistakes, not knowing entirely what it takes to get out of this league having not managed in it, chopping & changing with the 2 players for every position decision, & new contracts to squad players. But, the blocks are well & truly in place, new staff behind the scenes, training facilities being upgraded etc, it's all progression & everything seems much more professional under his management. I don't think coming out & saying we will win the league this season was a wise move, & thought so at the time. If we fall short, I believe continuity will be key, regroup in the summer & give him next season to get us promoted. Changing the manager will not be the answer in my opinion, as frustrating as this season is.
We just need to hold our nerve, stick with him & stick together in my opinion. Hopefully we make it of course.
Totally agree with this.
If you can't see progression at the club you are blind.
The medical staff alone have worked wonders this season.
The improvements to the training facilities etc.
GM picked up an absolute shit show, not just in terms of the first team.
We have got to stick with him 100%.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
You’ve picked 8 games to make your point, form tables usually consist of 6 games or 10.
Nobody is in much better form than us other than Colchester and they’re still 5 points adrift with only 9 games to go
I thought the league table was more important than form Dicko?
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=293165.msg1364892#msg1364892
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I know it's obvious but we must remember this was a total & utter sh-t show when he took over, a culmination of the previous 2 or 3 seasons. Recruitment has been bang average, & although they are his players I'm not sure he was 100% behind ALL the signings.
However he has made mistakes, not knowing entirely what it takes to get out of this league having not managed in it, chopping & changing with the 2 players for every position decision, & new contracts to squad players. But, the blocks are well & truly in place, new staff behind the scenes, training facilities being upgraded etc, it's all progression & everything seems much more professional under his management. I don't think coming out & saying we will win the league this season was a wise move, & thought so at the time. If we fall short, I believe continuity will be key, regroup in the summer & give him next season to get us promoted. Changing the manager will not be the answer in my opinion, as frustrating as this season is.
We just need to hold our nerve, stick with him & stick together in my opinion. Hopefully we make it of course.
Totally agree with this.
If you can't see progression at the club you are blind.
The medical staff alone have worked wonders this season.
The improvements to the training facilities etc.
GM picked up an absolute shit show, not just in terms of the first team.
We have got to stick with him 100%.
It was only a shit show because we slashed any playing budget. We improved because we applied more more money to the situation.
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I think of Mansfield and can see us being similar. Every year from now if we don't do it this year we'll be up there. Financially backed probably the same and stuck with the manager for years. We will get there. There's a desperation to do it now because the thought of the oppositions in league 1 v league 2 the bigger crowds is way more appealing. We'll be back to being a small fish in a big pond as well which I love too.
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I think of Mansfield and can see us being similar. Every year from now if we don't do it this year we'll be up there. Financially backed probably the same and stuck with the manager for years. We will get there. There's a desperation to do it now because the thought of the oppositions in league 1 v league 2 the bigger crowds is way more appealing. We'll be back to being a small fish in a big pond as well which I love too.
One win in 14 Mansfield. I hate their recruitment model.
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We could easily be top of this league with the games that we've let slip for one reason or another.
For me, on reflection, what will stick with me is the chopping and changing of personnel, particularly from midfield to up front. We just can't predict the starting line up. What we normally recall of previous promoted teams is a line up that reasonably rolls off the tongue. Yes, it's a different game now with 5 subs but surely this is a big factor why we've struggled with consistency.
We've definitely lacked that bit of quality or brains when trying to control games and add that final ingredient.
Another big factor must be having one of the leagues top scorers last season who's barely scratched the surface this year.
We have 9 huge opportunities left when the manager will have to earn his corn to get us promoted.
Either way, I wouldn't be headhunting any other manager whatever the outcome but yes, he should be questioned and held accountable by the board to review the strategies, to refine the approach, and go again next season.
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I think of Mansfield and can see us being similar. Every year from now if we don't do it this year we'll be up there. Financially backed probably the same and stuck with the manager for years. We will get there. There's a desperation to do it now because the thought of the oppositions in league 1 v league 2 the bigger crowds is way more appealing. We'll be back to being a small fish in a big pond as well which I love too.
One win in 14 Mansfield. I hate their recruitment model.
The manager has a big say so there too like us.
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I think of Mansfield and can see us being similar. Every year from now if we don't do it this year we'll be up there. Financially backed probably the same and stuck with the manager for years. We will get there. There's a desperation to do it now because the thought of the oppositions in league 1 v league 2 the bigger crowds is way more appealing. We'll be back to being a small fish in a big pond as well which I love too.
One win in 14 Mansfield. I hate their recruitment model.
The manager has a big say so there too like us.
Yes and he’s obsessed with signing 30+ year olds. If he goes they will be in a right mess.
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Oh yeah of little faith!
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
Dickos
Since you raised recent form, this is how the table would finish if every team won the same points in their final 9 or 10 games as they have in their last
Bradford 82
Walsall 79
Port Vale 78
Colchester 77
Rovers 77
Of course they won't all win those points. But form isn't on our side, even before you factor in how hard our run in is. We need to improve significantly on recent performances to make the top 3.
Regarding the OP question, I think we have unquestionably underperformed given the investment. My take is that we have a rather ordinary squad plus Molyneux. Take him out and we're a mid table side. There's little question that we are a poorer side than we were 12 months ago. Partly because 2 years into McCann's tenure, there's little sign that we know what our best X1 is.
If we get promoted then of course we haven’t underperformed, that was the aim this season so it will be job done.
I think the missing line here was "I apologise and retract my accusation that you're twisting facts to support your case."
But that would be asking a lot from you I guess.
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I know it's obvious but we must remember this was a total & utter sh-t show when he took over, a culmination of the previous 2 or 3 seasons. Recruitment has been bang average, & although they are his players I'm not sure he was 100% behind ALL the signings.
However he has made mistakes, not knowing entirely what it takes to get out of this league having not managed in it, chopping & changing with the 2 players for every position decision, & new contracts to squad players. But, the blocks are well & truly in place, new staff behind the scenes, training facilities being upgraded etc, it's all progression & everything seems much more professional under his management. I don't think coming out & saying we will win the league this season was a wise move, & thought so at the time. If we fall short, I believe continuity will be key, regroup in the summer & give him next season to get us promoted. Changing the manager will not be the answer in my opinion, as frustrating as this season is.
We just need to hold our nerve, stick with him & stick together in my opinion. Hopefully we make it of course.
Totally agree with this.
If you can't see progression at the club you are blind.
The medical staff alone have worked wonders this season.
The improvements to the training facilities etc.
GM picked up an absolute shit show, not just in terms of the first team.
We have got to stick with him 100%.
It was only a shit show because we slashed any playing budget. We improved because we applied more more money to the situation.
This.
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Plus there were changes at board level.
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Plus there were changes at board level.
That just allowed the budget to be raised. Blunt wanted to spend nothing.
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There are four ways the season can play out. Promoted automatically, promoted via the playoffs, lose in the playoffs or don’t qualify for the playoffs.
What’s the strategy for whichever way the season plays out? For me whatever the result at the end of the season the way we move forward should be the same. The decision making should be based on what we have seen during the season and what’s best for the club in the medium to long term as opposed to being entirely outcome based.
In my opinion, and it’s a fairly confident one, we won’t achieve the level of over achievement we did back in the glory days with this club structure and management team. We might scramble over the line to promotion this season but what is realistically achievable after that? Based on performances this season and the signings we’ve made over the last period of time, not a lot. I’d be happy to see us compete at the top half of L1 but I genuinely don’t see a route there. We are miles away from that level currently. I don’t see what our edge over other similar sized clubs is, I don’t see how we operate smarter than the others, I don’t see what our long term plan is.
Grant is a good guy and a good manager but eventually he will leave, either by his own accord or pushed, then what? Back to the drawing board again with a different manager with a different vision and a different style.
On the original question, I don’t think the answer should differ if we get promoted or not. If we are to carry on the same structure, manager led with full control over everything, he may as well stay.
If we are thinking of rebooting the structure and potentially building on a more long term solid footing, with a plan to potentially build a club capable of punching above its weight, then he goes whether we get promoted or not. He certainly wouldn’t fit that model.
Make no bones about it, if we don’t get promoted this season he’s failed. Part of the responsibility of being the key decision maker is taking full responsibility.
If he was just a head catch part of a more collaborative structure then that’s a different story. There’s more of a shared responsibility.
I just hope we get promoted.
Well I wasn’t feeling too bad before reading this but I’m just off to find a sharp knife now.
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I don't have the information to answer the question in the OP.
Clearly the wage budget has increased significantly on 2 years ago.
Clearly the club's transfer policy has been to use the additional budget on quantity over quality in terms of player recruitment.
What I don't know is: -
1) How does the current budget compare to other clubs in the division.
2) Whose idea was it to concentrate on quantity over quality. Was it pushed by McCann or decided upon by the Board?
If we have one of the biggest 3 budgets in the division and it was McCann's idea to utilise this on a large squad over recruiting fewer players of higher quality then the Board have every right to dismiss him if we don't get promoted.
If this is not the case it would be unfair to say McCann has underachieved and both unfair and a mistake to dismiss him given we have clearly made progress over the 2 years of his management.
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Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
You’ve picked 8 games to make your point, form tables usually consist of 6 games or 10.
Nobody is in much better form than us other than Colchester and they’re still 5 points adrift with only 9 games to go
I thought the league table was more important than form Dicko?
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=293165.msg1364892#msg1364892Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Although todays result could been better only Wimbledon won Bradford lost Notts County lost we don’t play now for two weeks so we are going to be behind the eight ball. Taking chances has got to improve we then have to win 7 games at least for a chance of Promotion it won’t be easy
Err. Port Vale won. They are two points behind with a match in hand.
Colchester won and they are ascending the table like a rocket.
11 points from the last 8 games, just when we really couldn't afford a dip in form and that's now dropped us into 4th/5th place with a horrible run in to come.
I think it's now unlikely we will make the top three, which would be a huge underperformance.
You said it was unlikely a month ago!
Not sure our form is any worse than anyone around us, in fact I know it isn’t.
Sat 4th in the table with 9 games to go level on points with an automatic spot and the negativity from folk like this is crazy.
Yeah, but once again, as usual when you state something with certainty, you're wrong...
Past 8 games we have 11 points
Bradford, Wimbledon and Port Vale have 13.
Colchester who are in stellar form and within touching distance have 18.
And the real worry is how hard our run in is.
5 of our last 9 games are against teams currently in the top 7. And our record against the better sides in the division this year is woeful.
You’ve picked 8 games to make your point, form tables usually consist of 6 games or 10.
Nobody is in much better form than us other than Colchester and they’re still 5 points adrift with only 9 games to go
I thought the league table was more important than form Dicko?
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=293165.msg1364892#msg1364892
Of course!
I’m just responding to your man who plucked 8 games out of thin air!
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Christ Dickos you're hard work.
I do wonder how people live their day to day lives if they are constantly assuming that other people are trying to deliberately mislead them. Feels like projection.
Fir the record, whether you projected through the form over the last 4, 6, 8 or 10 games to the end of the season, we finish outside the top 3. Last 12 is a toss up. All of which you could have checked for yourself.
Not that I expect you to engage with that. Far easier to assume anyone telling you what you don't want to hear is trying to fool you.
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Christ Dickos you're hard work.
I do wonder how people live their day to day lives if they are constantly assuming that other people are trying to deliberately mislead them. Feels like projection.
Fir the record, whether you projected through the form over the last 4, 6, 8 or 10 games to the end of the season, we finish outside the top 3. Last 12 is a toss up. All of which you could have checked for yourself.
Not that I expect you to engage with that. Far easier to assume anyone telling you what you don't want to hear is trying to fool you.
The form table doesn’t matter anyway, according to dickos. It’s only the league table that’s important. Until that doesn’t suit him.
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Up to this morning then only 13% think Grant should not be here if we don’t go up.
That looks to be quite overwhelming support for him.
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Christ Dickos you're hard work.
I do wonder how people live their day to day lives if they are constantly assuming that other people are trying to deliberately mislead them. Feels like projection.
Fir the record, whether you projected through the form over the last 4, 6, 8 or 10 games to the end of the season, we finish outside the top 3. Last 12 is a toss up. All of which you could have checked for yourself.
Not that I expect you to engage with that. Far easier to assume anyone telling you what you don't want to hear is trying to fool you.
8 games is about optimal for judging recent form. Obviously form is, by nature, transient but 8 games tends to give a big enough sample to take into account a fair number of home SBS away matches and generally captures a broad enough cross section of opposition abilities/ playing styles.
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We’re either going to get top 3 or come very close to it. Unless you’re a club buying the league title (and we’re not) then that’s the most we could have asked for with 9 games left.
If we end up in playoffs and then fail to go up are we really going to sack him? All the teams are pretty close so it wouldn’t be that surprising if we came up just short.
Yes it would be extremely disappointing, but starting again with a new bloke wouldn’t be the right answer. No manager has a magic wand. Grant’s a good manager. Overall he’s proved that again and he’s still learning all the time.
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I know it's obvious but we must remember this was a total & utter sh-t show when he took over, a culmination of the previous 2 or 3 seasons. Recruitment has been bang average, & although they are his players I'm not sure he was 100% behind ALL the signings.
However he has made mistakes, not knowing entirely what it takes to get out of this league having not managed in it, chopping & changing with the 2 players for every position decision, & new contracts to squad players. But, the blocks are well & truly in place, new staff behind the scenes, training facilities being upgraded etc, it's all progression & everything seems much more professional under his management. I don't think coming out & saying we will win the league this season was a wise move, & thought so at the time. If we fall short, I believe continuity will be key, regroup in the summer & give him next season to get us promoted. Changing the manager will not be the answer in my opinion, as frustrating as this season is.
We just need to hold our nerve, stick with him & stick together in my opinion. Hopefully we make it of course.
Totally agree with this.
If you can't see progression at the club you are blind.
The medical staff alone have worked wonders this season.
The improvements to the training facilities etc.
GM picked up an absolute shit show, not just in terms of the first team.
We have got to stick with him 100%.
It was only a shit show because we slashed any playing budget. We improved because we applied more more money to the situation.
Exactly, he had to sort a squad of players he didn't want, bring in his own backroom staff. All the more reason he should be given at least another season if we fall short.
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f**k me. We’re well in the mix and there’s everything to play for. I for one am keeping the faith.
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f**k me. We’re well in the mix and there’s everything to play for. I for one am keeping the faith.
Yes me too!
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Humble pie anyone cannot believe anyone wanted Grant out
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Hi Grant put the phone down and get celebrating.
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I know I put this up but I voted for him to have another season.
I am chuffed to bits for him and I hope he brings the title home to cement his place in Rovers legendary folklore
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Many congratulations on your promotion guys looking forward to resuming my trips to see Wanderers, so much closer from Barnsley than over the hills to the Reebok. Let’s hope the ills of the past are forgotten too so we can just enjoy the football? Well done Donny look forward to meeting you next season.