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Title: The temporary speakers…
Post by: Filo on May 06, 2025, 07:58:28 pm
…apparently have been costing £2k a game, I’m no expert but that seems a lot
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Post by: Alan Southstand on May 06, 2025, 08:03:31 pm
And they’re not that good!
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Post by: dknward2 on May 06, 2025, 08:17:00 pm
If it helps with the atmosphere and in turn has helped the players perform on the pitch then it's been worth it
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Post by: colincramb on May 06, 2025, 08:32:37 pm
And they’re not that good!

They are infinitely better than the tanoy system
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Post by: dickos1 on May 06, 2025, 08:34:47 pm
And they’re not that good!

I think they’ve been great, transformed the atmosphere
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Post by: Alan Southstand on May 06, 2025, 08:39:42 pm
I take it you’re not in the South stand, Dickos?
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Post by: Padge_DRFC on May 06, 2025, 08:43:00 pm
They're horrific
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Post by: Lincoln Rover on May 06, 2025, 08:43:30 pm
The club are constantly doing tests on every area to try & get this a better experience for as many as possible.
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Post by: GazLaz on May 06, 2025, 08:58:25 pm
…apparently have been costing £2k a game, I’m no expert but that seems a lot

That’s cheap.
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Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on May 06, 2025, 09:12:27 pm
Wonder how much a full, proper system would cost.
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Post by: Nudga on May 06, 2025, 09:27:39 pm
Wonder how much a full, proper system would cost.

600k I think was quoted figure
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Post by: rich1471 on May 06, 2025, 09:30:27 pm
It's the first I've ever been able to here anything in the west with the speakers been used
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Post by: jmt23 on May 06, 2025, 09:40:04 pm
I’m in the south and they are sooooo much better suited to the ground, however I fell very sorry for the people sitting or standing in the stewards case, right next to them.
Bet they have tinnitus the next day.

I nearly fell off my seat in laugher when they were first used, half time came and some music blasted out of them, one older gentleman nearly jumped out of his skin.

Great investment in my eyes - I wonder how much to buy this system, or is that the 600k system they could have?
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Post by: Draytonian III on May 06, 2025, 09:46:34 pm
For a total novice on this why are they so expensive to install or to rent ?
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Post by: GazLaz on May 06, 2025, 10:45:59 pm
For a total novice on this why are they so expensive to install or to rent ?

2k a game not expensive when considering transport and setup costs.

A new system would need fully re-wiring from scratch. Cables would have to be run through existing walls etc so it would be a really tricky job. Access equipment, building works in addition to the whole new system costs.  Certainly not straight forward.
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Post by: PDX_Rover on May 07, 2025, 12:51:58 am
Get down Music Ground
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Post by: knockers on May 07, 2025, 06:40:21 am
The guy who is currently doing the sound did actually used to work at Music Ground.
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Post by: Padge_DRFC on May 07, 2025, 06:50:20 am
You can't even hear what the tannoy man is saying on the new one because there's too much bass. Middle ISH of South stand
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Post by: Usher wide. on May 07, 2025, 07:20:38 am
You can't even hear what the tannoy man is saying on the new one because there's too much bass. Middle ISH of South stand

Count your blessings.
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Post by: Reg of the Rovers on May 07, 2025, 09:09:59 am
We complained that the sound was bad, and the club listened and did something about it - as much as they could within the time and resources they had. It's miles better in the West Stand now.

I like the idiosyncrasies of lower league announcing, to the extremely posh fella at Harrow-gate, to the lad who came in the stands and let us read the team sheet out v Port Vale and our young fan 'guessed' who might be playing in an imaginary team, then redeemed himself by singing Billy Sharp's song when he read his name out! Let's not go all big-time on ourselves now  :)   
Title: Re: The temporary speakers…
Post by: DonnyBazR0ver on May 07, 2025, 09:40:21 am
I would imagine the testing of the temporary speakers was to assess the number and size needed to adequately cover all areas of the stadium before going ahead to install a more permanent solution.

Having temporary speakers at groud level is one thing but as said above, installing them at roof level in the right configuration is a whole different logistical challenge.
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Post by: rover-n-out on May 07, 2025, 10:10:26 am
I was there yesterday and checked on the system used for the event.
They were using RCF Evox 12 powered speakers which consist of a 15" sub unit and a satellite speaker containing 8 x 4" speakers. These cost around £1,800-00 each, and they were using 6 of them along the length of the west stand. I haven't been to a game where they used them to cover the 4 stands, but if they did, I estimate they would have needed 20 of these ( 6 for the East, 6 for the west, 4 for north, and 4 for south) to cover all 4 sides. 1,800 ish a pop equates to somebody shelling out 36 grand to run them as a hire company. As DBR has stated above, the ones in the ground yesterday were sited at ground level. Can you imagine the cost of installing these speakers to the stadium roof, just getting them up there requires at least one cherry picker with two installers, 100's of meters of wiring, a new sound mixing desk, all the relevant insurances, risk assessments,  labour and machinery costs involved in bringing this installation to completion, if that's what the plan is to move forward with it. I know it's an old saying and the budget probably didn't warrant a huge amount of money allocated for the initial sound system, but it always rings true, "You buy cheap, you buy twice"
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Post by: eastender on May 07, 2025, 11:05:40 am
It's only a PA system, it doesn't need to be up to a Stadium Pop Concert standard , why don't they just up grade the one's already in place in the roof. I'm no expert but surely the existing wiring can be used to save money. The one's being used now on the floor are ridiculously loud for the poor folk sat near them.
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Post by: GazLaz on May 07, 2025, 12:32:53 pm
It's only a PA system, it doesn't need to be up to a Stadium Pop Concert standard , why don't they just up grade the one's already in place in the roof. I'm no expert but surely the existing wiring can be used to save money. The one's being used now on the floor are ridiculously loud for the poor folk sat near them.

Are there not two systems in the ground? A PA system and a system for the music?
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Post by: Avsuptem on May 07, 2025, 12:38:10 pm
It's only a PA system, it doesn't need to be up to a Stadium Pop Concert standard , why don't they just up grade the one's already in place in the roof. I'm no expert but surely the existing wiring can be used to save money. The one's being used now on the floor are ridiculously loud for the poor folk sat near them.

This is sound advice.
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Post by: Spilsby Red on May 07, 2025, 01:47:15 pm
Music to my ears
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Post by: rover-n-out on May 07, 2025, 05:03:48 pm
Eastender, the unfortunate thing about electrical equipment that is open to the elements is degradation, wiring is particularly susceptible to getting wet and therefore the copper wiring inside the shielding oxidises after time and the signal through it degrades. It's the same with the Tannoy speakers, they've both been in use for 18 years or so, so unless the system is checked and properly maintained degradation will inevitably happen. Also, the sound system I alluded to above was just to cover the stadium outside, I haven't discussed  the concourses and their installation difficulties. In short, to upgrade or replace the existing Tannoy speakers and possibly the degraded wiring, somebody has still got to go up there and physically check it all out. No mean feat, and still expensive to do! It's a bugger knowing which way to go isn't it?