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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Chris Black come back on July 10, 2025, 08:01:22 pm
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Signed a new deal and club also saying:
“It comes shortly after the club rejected a £500,000 from a fellow League One side for the 22-year-old’s services and represents a continued determination to retain and develop our prized assets.”
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Half a mill?? Can’t reject an offer like that for him!
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
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Half a mill?? Can’t reject an offer like that for him!
yes we can! Shows we have some ambition. Credit to Jay for committing to DRFC. If he progresses there will be a time to sell for more than that!
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Well done rovers :bbscarf:
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
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The Peterborough lad who moved on last year for big money, other than that can’t recall so many League One defenders going for big money.
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Next Harry Maguire. Cracking news!!
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
100k now, 400K more if Bolton (or whoever it is!!) win the Club World Cup.
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Signed a new deal and club also saying:
“It comes shortly after the club rejected a £500,000 from a fellow League One side for the 22-year-old’s services and represents a continued determination to retain and develop our prized assets.L
Injuried isn’t he ? :whistle:
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The Peterborough lad who moved on last year for big money, other than that can’t recall so many League One defenders going for big money.
Ronnie Edwards for £5m.
Peterborough had another one this summer, they sold the defender Fernandez to Rangers for £3.5m.
Wonder if it was them who bid for McGrath.
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500k? Thats a lot of money for us to turn down when you think what it could buy at the other end of the pitch. But I’m happy he’s staying and if he keeps progressing as he has then this conversation won’t be relevant. Interested as to why Gaz doesn’t think we will get a better offer down the line? He’s only 22. Defenders don’t peak normally until their late 20s. He has the physical attributes and won’t lose them, so surely he’s positioning and reading on the game from that position will only improve?
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The Peterborough lad who moved on last year for big money, other than that can’t recall so many League One defenders going for big money.
Ronnie Edwards for £5m.
Peterborough had another one this summer, they sold the defender Fernandez to Rangers for £3.5m.
Wonder if it was them who bid for McGrath.
Either that or Barnsley, they seem to want any player that does well for us!
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Signed a new deal and club also saying:
“It comes shortly after the club rejected a £500,000 from a fellow League One side for the 22-year-old’s services and represents a continued determination to retain and develop our prized assets.L
Injuried isn’t he ? :whistle:
Technically not. Rehabbing after an op. He's been training stepping up his recovery.
Little did we know Stockport came calling for Joseph last January, which obvs appealed to him over and above what we offered so good we've tied Jay in to protect ourselves going forward.
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
100k now, 400K more if Bolton (or whoever it is!!) win the Club World Cup.
A bid is a bid which must be a shock to you after you originally wrote him off.
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Tend to agree it's no doubt a big add ons type one. Whether he's worth it or not, we can't replace him for that so no need to sell.
I think this is good he's obviously got ability. How far he can go none of us know.
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
What do you genuinely think 0.5mil does for the club Vs keeping a very good long tern prospect?
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500k? Thats a lot of money for us to turn down when you think what it could buy at the other end of the pitch. But I’m happy he’s staying and if he keeps progressing as he has then this conversation won’t be relevant. Interested as to why Gaz doesn’t think we will get a better offer down the line? He’s only 22. Defenders don’t peak normally until their late 20s. He has the physical attributes and won’t lose them, so surely he’s positioning and reading on the game from that position will only improve?
I think he had a good season last year, he’s improving as well but he will need to improve more to even be a top end L1 player.
I’ve seen Ronnie Edward’s mentioned in this thread, he’s an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. JM unlikely to get to that level.
500k is a lot for us. I’d like to see us getting into the habit of selling players, reinvesting, and growing the club that way.
Who valued him? Grant? TB and GB? Would we take 700k? 1m? Prices also depend on how the deal is structured also. 500k a headline figure but may not be the actual fee we receive now.
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McGrath interview
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2025/july/10/watch-jay-mcgrath-discuss-his-new-contract/
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Surely left-footed centre backs naturally have a higher value given they are harder to come by
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
What do you genuinely think 0.5mil does for the club Vs keeping a very good long tern prospect?
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
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Number 6 shirt as well can see him becoming our first choice centre half for years to come! Hopefully him and Grehan have those centre half places nailed on for the foreseeable
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McGrath interview
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2025/july/10/watch-jay-mcgrath-discuss-his-new-contract/
McCann has definitely got loyalty in McGrath and his 3year contract and turning down a decent offer . So he’ll be gone before the season starts then :lol:
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500k? Thats a lot of money for us to turn down when you think what it could buy at the other end of the pitch. But I’m happy he’s staying and if he keeps progressing as he has then this conversation won’t be relevant. Interested as to why Gaz doesn’t think we will get a better offer down the line? He’s only 22. Defenders don’t peak normally until their late 20s. He has the physical attributes and won’t lose them, so surely he’s positioning and reading on the game from that position will only improve?
I think he had a good season last year, he’s improving as well but he will need to improve more to even be a top end L1 player.
I’ve seen Ronnie Edward’s mentioned in this thread, he’s an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. JM unlikely to get to that level.
500k is a lot for us. I’d like to see us getting into the habit of selling players, reinvesting, and growing the club that way.
Who valued him? Grant? TB and GB? Would we take 700k? 1m? Prices also depend on how the deal is structured also. 500k a headline figure but may not be the actual fee we receive now.
Grant said in his interview it was 500k with add on’s and sell on fee on top but at the same time said he wouldn’t sell him for 1.5m.
Slightly optimistic but he also brings up selling Jacob greaves at Hull for 15m
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
What do you genuinely think 0.5mil does for the club Vs keeping a very good long tern prospect?
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
Seems like it's a case damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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Been excellent for us since day one. Fabulous prospect. Will be worth an awful lot more than a measly 500k in 2 years time. Rovers now dictating their destiny.
No idea what’s going on at Rovers, but I’m liking it a lot. Championship in next 3 years if this progressive intent continues.
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500k? Thats a lot of money for us to turn down when you think what it could buy at the other end of the pitch. But I’m happy he’s staying and if he keeps progressing as he has then this conversation won’t be relevant. Interested as to why Gaz doesn’t think we will get a better offer down the line? He’s only 22. Defenders don’t peak normally until their late 20s. He has the physical attributes and won’t lose them, so surely he’s positioning and reading on the game from that position will only improve?
I think he had a good season last year, he’s improving as well but he will need to improve more to even be a top end L1 player.
I’ve seen Ronnie Edward’s mentioned in this thread, he’s an absolute Rolls Royce of a player. JM unlikely to get to that level.
500k is a lot for us. I’d like to see us getting into the habit of selling players, reinvesting, and growing the club that way.
Who valued him? Grant? TB and GB? Would we take 700k? 1m? Prices also depend on how the deal is structured also. 500k a headline figure but may not be the actual fee we receive now.
Grant said in his interview it was 500k with add on’s and sell on fee on top but at the same time said he wouldn’t sell him for 1.5m.
Slightly optimistic but he also brings up selling Jacob greaves at Hull for 15m
Not listened to the interview yet but he didn’t sell Greaves!? He left last season after playing 150 games in the championship and being one of the best centre halves for the level. Grant had him in L1 admittedly, I’ll listen to the interview to get the context.
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Chuffed for all concerned. Proper statement that. Grant not having it !!
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Well done Rovers
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Hearing it was Plymouth offering the £500k
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GazLaz - isn’t there just a tiny bit of you that’s chuffed with this?
£500k is an insult and will end up being when he continues his development with us!
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So… Wood retires, Anderson and Olowu move on and some are saying get rid of our best asset for £500k given the potential he has in today’s market? Even if Jay was still raw with a mixture of good and poor performances last season why on earth would you move him on and lose all 4 of your main centre halves going into a higher league? It’s the same people who will be complaining when we ship goals off the back of it. Personally I expect the back 4 to take a while to gel but I for one will be more comfortable with a fit Jay McGrath in there. I pay my season ticket fee to see the club being run like this. Well done to all involved. You can’t please everybody.
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Agreed. People have got very short memories! Let’s get Danny Schofield back and re-instate Blunt!!
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Am I missing something here. Here we are a club our size keeping hold of a player we would have sold for way less of the £500k offered in the past. A player from his home City, loves the club, loves playing under the staff here, has committed himself to the club. The manager thinks highly of him, the fans love him, & the management haven't chosen to cash in on half a million for a 22 year old who is improving & developing, & will be worth 3 times that amount in 2/3 years in my opinion. Personally I think it's brilliant news, & a huge well done to the club.
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As rovers fans surely we should never want to ‘cash in’ on a player especially one so young with years ahead when the money never ever gets reinvested?
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We're a club who loses what 3-4 million a year. We sell him for 500k what do we get with that money? A smaller loss maybe?
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A club on the rise. Long may it continue.
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
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But he was offered in Grants words ,what he thinks was a very very good contract offer and refused it,for all we know,that was because he had already agreed to sign for stockport long before we knew if we and he if he stayed would be playing in league two or league one,do you know for fact he is earning more at Stockport than the contract we offered him,I'm not so sure as many believe it is bound to be,also rather than costing us hundreds of thousands,it may actually save us hundreds of thousands Owolu not staying,especially if we end up with a better players in our defence,its all guess work,like some thinking Jay wasn't up to it when we signed him,got that wrong.Would have been nice to keep Owolu, but not too disappointed,looking forward to us giving him a torrid time when we play the Hatters this season.
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
What do you genuinely think 0.5mil does for the club Vs keeping a very good long tern prospect?
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
You quote the “odds” so is there a statistical basis for saying this? Surely a player who shows promise in the eyes of those whose job it is to make such judgments has at least an even chance of adding more value over 3 years. Is this not a reasonable extrapolation or statistically unlikely?
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
But he was offered in Grants words ,what he thinks was a very very good contract offer and refused it,for all we know,that was because he had already agreed to sign for stockport long before we knew if we and he if he stayed would be playing in league two or league one,do you know for fact he is earning more at Stockport than the contract we offered him,I'm not so sure as many believe it is bound to be,also rather than costing us hundreds of thousands,it may actually save us hundreds of thousands Owolu not staying,especially if we end up with a better players in our defence,its all guess work,like some thinking Jay wasn't up to it when we signed him,got that wrong.Would have been nice to keep Owolu, but not too disappointed,looking forward to us giving him a torrid time when we play the Hatters this season.
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A lot if it’s in that post mate and lots of them will only be proven in the future with the benefit of hindsight.
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A few on here are missing the point. It's not about the money.
It's about the personnel. Grant is building his team with the jigsaw pieces he wants. And he wants a Jay McGrath shaped piece. So that's what he is keeping hold of.
Whether financially in 2 or 3 years time that brings a big fee or not really isn't the point at all. At this moment in time Grant wants him here because he needs what he brings on the field.
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
But he was offered in Grants words ,what he thinks was a very very good contract offer and refused it,for all we know,that was because he had already agreed to sign for stockport long before we knew if we and he if he stayed would be playing in league two or league one,do you know for fact he is earning more at Stockport than the contract we offered him,I'm not so sure as many believe it is bound to be,also rather than costing us hundreds of thousands,it may actually save us hundreds of thousands Owolu not staying,especially if we end up with a better players in our defence,its all guess work,like some thinking Jay wasn't up to it when we signed him,got that wrong.Would have been nice to keep Owolu, but not too disappointed,looking forward to us giving him a torrid time when we play the Hatters this season.
A lot if it’s in that post mate and lots of them will only be proven in the future with the benefit of hindsight.
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Olowu was offered a good contract but it was too late. Make no bones about it in the 23/24 season, when the contract should have been offered to protect the asset, Grant deemed Joe not good enough to warrant a contract, and he was wrong. That’s potentially cost the club money. He is now turning down an offer for a player, that in my opinion, isn’t as good as the one we let go for free. All feels a bit muddled to me.
We wear rejecting offers for players like a badge of honour. When really identifying, developing and selling players has to be the business model.
The next couple of years will show if rejecting the offer was a good or bad decision. In the same way time will indicate how big of an error Joe leaving for free was.
I hope JM ends up playing for England and we get absolute fortunes for him. As ever happy to be proved wrong.
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A few on here are missing the point. It's not about the money.
It's about the personnel. Grant is building his team with the jigsaw pieces he wants. And he wants a Jay McGrath shaped piece. So that's what he is keeping hold of.
Whether financially in 2 or 3 years time that brings a big fee or not really isn't the point at all. At this moment in time Grant wants him here because he needs what he brings on the field.
That can be replaced pretty easily Rob. He replaced Anderson, Wood and Olowu pretty quickly and easily didn’t he.
Jay was around the 25th percentile for centre half performances in L2 last season. That’s ok with him being young and having room for improvement. Think that would put him 55-60th percentile in L1.
Time will tell with this one.
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Im keeping an eye out for when gazlaz sells his house, he'll probably cave in and accept an offer equal to the 1980's valuation :thumbsup:
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Im keeping an eye out for when gazlaz sells his house, he'll probably cave in and accept an offer equal to the 1980's valuation :thumbsup:
Sold one last month funnily enough! Wouldn’t swap the new one for Jay that’s for sure! The club would have to put a few quid in on top!
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
The player who is not a commodity wanted to stay at our club. He didn’t want to move having been told of the offer. He was not for sale according to GM even for £1.5m. Jay signed a new contract because he wanted to stay at Doncaster Rovers. So good for him and the club. This would not have happened 2/3 years ago.
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
But he was offered in Grants words ,what he thinks was a very very good contract offer and refused it,for all we know,that was because he had already agreed to sign for stockport long before we knew if we and he if he stayed would be playing in league two or league one,do you know for fact he is earning more at Stockport than the contract we offered him,I'm not so sure as many believe it is bound to be,also rather than costing us hundreds of thousands,it may actually save us hundreds of thousands Owolu not staying,especially if we end up with a better players in our defence,its all guess work,like some thinking Jay wasn't up to it when we signed him,got that wrong.Would have been nice to keep Owolu, but not too disappointed,looking forward to us giving him a torrid time when we play the Hatters this season.
A lot if it’s in that post mate and lots of them will only be proven in the future with the benefit of hindsight.
Olowu was offered a good contract but it was too late. Make no bones about it in the 23/24 season, when the contract should have been offered to protect the asset, Grant deemed Joe not good enough to warrant a contract, and he was wrong. That’s potentially cost the club money. He is now turning down an offer for a player, that in my opinion, isn’t as good as the one we let go for free. All feels a bit muddled to me.
We wear rejecting offers for players like a badge of honour. When really identifying, developing and selling players has to be the business model.
The next couple of years will show if rejecting the offer was a good or bad decision. In the same way time will indicate how big of an error Joe leaving for free was.
I hope JM ends up playing for England and we get absolute fortunes for him. As ever happy to be proved wrong.
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Ok so in the model you suggest, how much time are we allowed to have to develop a player, and also get some return from his performances on the pitch.
How much is a promotion worth followed by sustaining a higher league position, or even a further promotion.?
How much is the entertainment value with more fans injecting more cash into the club if we’re playing decent football.?
Value isn’t just about what you can pocket by selling.
Even racehorse owners want to get a decent amount of wins before putting their assets out to stud.
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Barnsley's business model was developing players and selling them on. All well and good until they run out and you've sold all your best players and left with dross. I'd rather be us than them right now.
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A few on here are missing the point. It's not about the money.
It's about the personnel. Grant is building his team with the jigsaw pieces he wants. And he wants a Jay McGrath shaped piece. So that's what he is keeping hold of.
Whether financially in 2 or 3 years time that brings a big fee or not really isn't the point at all. At this moment in time Grant wants him here because he needs what he brings on the field.
Totally agree there Rob. There's no objective to trade for profit. It's not a be all and end all strategy with inherent risks which GazLaz rarely refers to. Look at Peterborough, who were hailed as a smaller club who traded for profit, and a model we should follow. They've struggled recently and one of their most valuable assets walked for free. You can't force players or agents to come to the negotiating table when you would like them to.
As we are unlikely to adopt that strategy anytime soon, the debate is pointless.
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
But he was offered in Grants words ,what he thinks was a very very good contract offer and refused it,for all we know,that was because he had already agreed to sign for stockport long before we knew if we and he if he stayed would be playing in league two or league one,do you know for fact he is earning more at Stockport than the contract we offered him,I'm not so sure as many believe it is bound to be,also rather than costing us hundreds of thousands,it may actually save us hundreds of thousands Owolu not staying,especially if we end up with a better players in our defence,its all guess work,like some thinking Jay wasn't up to it when we signed him,got that wrong.Would have been nice to keep Owolu, but not too disappointed,looking forward to us giving him a torrid time when we play the Hatters this season.
A lot if it’s in that post mate and lots of them will only be proven in the future with the benefit of hindsight.
Olowu was offered a good contract but it was too late. Make no bones about it in the 23/24 season, when the contract should have been offered to protect the asset, Grant deemed Joe not good enough to warrant a contract, and he was wrong. That’s potentially cost the club money. He is now turning down an offer for a player, that in my opinion, isn’t as good as the one we let go for free. All feels a bit muddled to me.
We wear rejecting offers for players like a badge of honour. When really identifying, developing and selling players has to be the business model.
The next couple of years will show if rejecting the offer was a good or bad decision. In the same way time will indicate how big of an error Joe leaving for free was.
I hope JM ends up playing for England and we get absolute fortunes for him. As ever happy to be proved wrong.
Ok so in the model you suggest, how much time are we allowed to have to develop a player, and also get some return from his performances on the pitch.
How much is a promotion worth followed by sustaining a higher league position, or even a further promotion.?
How much is the entertainment value with more fans injecting more cash into the club if we’re playing decent football.?
Value isn’t just about what you can pocket by selling.
Even racehorse owners want to get a decent amount of wins before putting their assets out to stud.
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One player, at this level (especially a defender) can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in 3 years.
What position do you think we will finish this season? What position do you think we would finish if we sold Jay, signed another good young player to develop on his place? What if we used a proportion of the money to sign someone better? Yes that’s possible, believe it or not!
Like I said before. All interesting discussion points.
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We have for many years been running a structural operating loss of around £3m or so, which is filled by Terry in order to maintain our status as a going concern.
This £3m annual loss has only just brought us back up to the third tier. It also includes all the material benefits of being in Club Doncaster and an unreal deal on the stadium that was secured several years ago. In short, there is no sign of the structural operating loss changing at any point.
This only changes if we dramatically increase income or dramatically decrease expenditure. We have tried the latter. It didn’t work. We can try and address the former by attempting to change our risible record of monetising talent, as one avenue.
We can only be reliant on Terry for so long and to recap, we have a structural operating loss that doesn’t change come rain, shine or anything in between, hence without Terry we have a massive hole to fill.
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A few on here are missing the point. It's not about the money.
It's about the personnel. Grant is building his team with the jigsaw pieces he wants. And he wants a Jay McGrath shaped piece. So that's what he is keeping hold of.
Whether financially in 2 or 3 years time that brings a big fee or not really isn't the point at all. At this moment in time Grant wants him here because he needs what he brings on the field.
Totally agree there Rob. There's no objective to trade for profit. It's not a be all and end all strategy with inherent risks which GazLaz rarely refers to. Look at Peterborough, who were hailed as a smaller club who traded for profit, and a model we should follow. They've struggled recently and one of their most valuable assets walked for free. You can't force players or agents to come to the negotiating table when you would like them to.
As we are unlikely to adopt that strategy anytime soon, the debate is pointless.
Peterborough struggled because they took their eye off the here and now.
Imagine our fan base’s reaction if we’d generated £6m in player sales in one summer and then finished 18th! Behind Mansfield who pretty much only sign 30+ year old players.
Even now Posh are losing players to Stockport, when a few years ago the clubs were 3 divisions apart!
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Im keeping an eye out for when gazlaz sells his house, he'll probably cave in and accept an offer equal to the 1980's valuation :thumbsup:
Sold one last month funnily enough! Wouldn’t swap the new one for Jay that’s for sure! The club would have to put a few quid in on top!
Half a mill for a house is nothing to shout about these days unless you can sell it for 3 times that amount in 3 years time…..as you might for a young, talented centre back.
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
But he was offered in Grants words ,what he thinks was a very very good contract offer and refused it,for all we know,that was because he had already agreed to sign for stockport long before we knew if we and he if he stayed would be playing in league two or league one,do you know for fact he is earning more at Stockport than the contract we offered him,I'm not so sure as many believe it is bound to be,also rather than costing us hundreds of thousands,it may actually save us hundreds of thousands Owolu not staying,especially if we end up with a better players in our defence,its all guess work,like some thinking Jay wasn't up to it when we signed him,got that wrong.Would have been nice to keep Owolu, but not too disappointed,looking forward to us giving him a torrid time when we play the Hatters this season.
A lot if it’s in that post mate and lots of them will only be proven in the future with the benefit of hindsight.
Olowu was offered a good contract but it was too late. Make no bones about it in the 23/24 season, when the contract should have been offered to protect the asset, Grant deemed Joe not good enough to warrant a contract, and he was wrong. That’s potentially cost the club money. He is now turning down an offer for a player, that in my opinion, isn’t as good as the one we let go for free. All feels a bit muddled to me.
We wear rejecting offers for players like a badge of honour. When really identifying, developing and selling players has to be the business model.
The next couple of years will show if rejecting the offer was a good or bad decision. In the same way time will indicate how big of an error Joe leaving for free was.
I hope JM ends up playing for England and we get absolute fortunes for him. As ever happy to be proved wrong.
Ok so in the model you suggest, how much time are we allowed to have to develop a player, and also get some return from his performances on the pitch.
How much is a promotion worth followed by sustaining a higher league position, or even a further promotion.?
How much is the entertainment value with more fans injecting more cash into the club if we’re playing decent football.?
Value isn’t just about what you can pocket by selling.
Even racehorse owners want to get a decent amount of wins before putting their assets out to stud.
One player, at this level (especially a defender) can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in 3 years.
What position do you think we will finish this season? What position do you think we would finish if we sold Jay, signed another good young player to develop on his place? What if we used a proportion of the money to sign someone better? Yes that’s possible, believe it or not!
Like I said before. All interesting discussion points.
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This sounds like another “I could find better cheaper” goof.
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
What do you genuinely think 0.5mil does for the club Vs keeping a very good long tern prospect?
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
Contract offers were made to Olowu, it is reported, but he turned them down
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I’m pleased and shocked at the same time.
Pleased because I think he can really grow with us, he is still very raw and needs to learn when to make the passes, but I think he will end up at championship level eventually.
Shocked as the reported fee is quite big for most clubs at this level. Grant has an eye for young talent he can grow, an example is the lad from palace we have just signed, so I can only assume Grant thinks Jay is among the best around for his age!
The fee could have potentially bought Street too, giving us the goal threat we need and are still short of in my view - I have little knowledge of the new lads, so maybe not.
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Olowu had a great season last year when we were not that good defensively and covered a lot of mistakes with his speed to cover especially down our left hand side when thay ran direct at us.
I agree with Gaz and think McGrath has to improve on his game at the level we are playing at this season.
For instance he will be playing against players like Street with strength and pace a lot more regular than he did last season who will run at him.
I really hope he does as a Rovers supporter but he has a lot to do against better players, it's a big step for the club that cannot be underestimated. We got away with shipping goals the first half of the season and still being around the play off places, that is unlikely to happen this season and catching up will be more difficult.
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That weakness Selby was not totally about Jay, he was often covering for inadequacies at left back.
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If only we had the same ambition when we sold whiteman for peanuts and never replaced marquis.
Such a damaging time for the club under blunt
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I for one don’t want us to be a “feeder” club, developing players for a couple of years then selling them for decent money once they’ve had half a good season.
I want the highs and lows of watching my team try to be a success on the pitch. In the meantime if we do occasionally sell a player for a big fee, so be it, but I don’t want that as a business model:
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Hindsight is a wonderful science isn't it?.......yes, but, no, but.
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That’s a business model that only exists when someone is willing to shove in £3m season in, season out. We have that now but it won’t be around forever.
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Not often we get six figures for a player, let alone highish six figures.
We may sell him for more down the line, he has improved at a rapid rate, but we are odds on not to.
We really need to start turning players over for a profit. We are obsessed with wanting players to stay here forever.
Think there’s plenty of chance he’s sat on our bench in 6months, behind others, and £500k will look loads of money.
It’s all about value isn’t it, he can’t add 500k of value on the pitch in the 3 years of his contract. Is he likely to go for more in the future, IMO odds on no. You then have to start thinking about these offers.
Olowu was allowed to run his contract down because he was deemed not good enough to offer one to. That’s a decision that’s probably cost us hundreds of thousands. If JM proves to not actually be a 500k player, this could be another costly one in hindsight.
But he was offered in Grants words ,what he thinks was a very very good contract offer and refused it,for all we know,that was because he had already agreed to sign for stockport long before we knew if we and he if he stayed would be playing in league two or league one,do you know for fact he is earning more at Stockport than the contract we offered him,I'm not so sure as many believe it is bound to be,also rather than costing us hundreds of thousands,it may actually save us hundreds of thousands Owolu not staying,especially if we end up with a better players in our defence,its all guess work,like some thinking Jay wasn't up to it when we signed him,got that wrong.Would have been nice to keep Owolu, but not too disappointed,looking forward to us giving him a torrid time when we play the Hatters this season.
A lot if it’s in that post mate and lots of them will only be proven in the future with the benefit of hindsight.
Olowu was offered a good contract but it was too late. Make no bones about it in the 23/24 season, when the contract should have been offered to protect the asset, Grant deemed Joe not good enough to warrant a contract, and he was wrong. That’s potentially cost the club money. He is now turning down an offer for a player, that in my opinion, isn’t as good as the one we let go for free. All feels a bit muddled to me.
We wear rejecting offers for players like a badge of honour. When really identifying, developing and selling players has to be the business model.
The next couple of years will show if rejecting the offer was a good or bad decision. In the same way time will indicate how big of an error Joe leaving for free was.
I hope JM ends up playing for England and we get absolute fortunes for him. As ever happy to be proved wrong.
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Some interesting discussion points here. It could be that Grant realises his mistake with Olowu and is trying to prevent the same thing from happening again with our next-most saleable asset.
GM has a decent record of identifying players who can add value but the issue is it's all dependent on one man rather than a process. Once GM leaves we are back to hoping the new manager has an eye for a player.
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I for one don’t want us to be a “feeder” club, developing players for a couple of years then selling them for decent money once they’ve had half a good season.
I want the highs and lows of watching my team try to be a success on the pitch. In the meantime if we do occasionally sell a player for a big fee, so be it, but I don’t want that as a business model:
That’s really easy to say when someone else is pumping in millions of pounds a year to allow that to happen. Club Doncaster brings in great commercial revenue for a club at our level but even with that there’s a £3m deficit to plug. Developing and selling players is the only way we’re going to be able to support League One football in the long term unless another Bramall comes along. We saw very recently how bad things got when the money tap was turned off.
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I’m not saying we shouldn’t sell some players, but I don’t think it should be our plan A.
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A few on here are missing the point. It's not about the money.
It's about the personnel. Grant is building his team with the jigsaw pieces he wants. And he wants a Jay McGrath shaped piece. So that's what he is keeping hold of.
Whether financially in 2 or 3 years time that brings a big fee or not really isn't the point at all. At this moment in time Grant wants him here because he needs what he brings on the field.
Totally agree there Rob. There's no objective to trade for profit. It's not a be all and end all strategy with inherent risks which GazLaz rarely refers to. Look at Peterborough, who were hailed as a smaller club who traded for profit, and a model we should follow. They've struggled recently and one of their most valuable assets walked for free. You can't force players or agents to come to the negotiating table when you would like them to.
As we are unlikely to adopt that strategy anytime soon, the debate is pointless.
I think that's the point, Baz. £500k or a project to get out of this league? The club's focus is clearly the latter, and see Jay as a part of what we need to do that.
As Gaz says, we might not sell him for anything like that in future years, but if we get promoted in the next 3 years then that's a moot point. The objective will have been met.
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I see this as a watershed in club history .It is the first régime I have know club and player turn down a substantial transfer fee move ..Gregg , Graham Watson , Pete Kitchen , Matt Mills ..all left !
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I’m not saying we shouldn’t sell some players, but I don’t think it should be our plan A.
What do you think our plan A to plug that gap should be?
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So you think we can develop and sell 3m worth of players every year.?
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I’m not saying we shouldn’t sell some players, but I don’t think it should be our plan A.
What do you think our plan A to plug that gap should be?
Build a squad of players that will get the club into the Championship asap.
Which is exactly what the manager is doing.
With players like Jay McGrath, we have a real chance imo of finishing in the top six. Without his ilk, top ten at best season after season aster bloody season.
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I’m not saying we shouldn’t sell some players, but I don’t think it should be our plan A.
What do you think our plan A to plug that gap should be?
Build a squad of players that will get the club into the Championship asap.
Which is exactly what the manager is doing.
With players like Jay McGrath, we have a real chance imo of finishing in the top six. Without his ilk, top ten at best season after season aster bloody season.
FWIW I'm pretty ambivalent on this bid - I like McGrath, think he has more potential to develop further and I'm happy to see him stay but equally could have seen logic in him being sold. But in the wider context how damaging to a promotion quest in the next couple of years would it have been to us to have sold him? I also get that £500k might seem like a small amount compared to losing £3m a year but that's still 17%. You can bet that if match day tickets increased 17% in price then it wouldn't be considered a small amount!
The club is in really good shape at the moment in terms of a great owner, CEO, manager, squad harmony etc. The reason we're in such good shape, though, is because of the generosity of the owner. That generosity lapsed for a couple of years and we tumbled to the lower reaches of League Two. You never know when things might change again and for me our best shot at competing (at this level or above) is to recruit well, sell well and reinvest. Getting into the Championship will earn us a lot more but it will also cost a lot more to be able to compete so not sure that solves any of the financial challenges, either.
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For instance he will be playing against players like Street with strength and pace a lot more regular than he did last season who will run at him.
But in the first pre season game for Lincoln game of two 45mins
Draper played up front first half
Collins played up front second half with Street playing right of a three behind.
But all our defenders should be playing against better forwards as we are in League 1
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So you think we can develop and sell 3m worth of players every year.?
Where’s Dario Grady these times?
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I for one don’t want us to be a “feeder” club, developing players for a couple of years then selling them for decent money once they’ve had half a good season.
I want the highs and lows of watching my team try to be a success on the pitch. In the meantime if we do occasionally sell a player for a big fee, so be it, but I don’t want that as a business model:
That’s really easy to say when someone else is pumping in millions of pounds a year to allow that to happen. Club Doncaster brings in great commercial revenue for a club at our level but even with that there’s a £3m deficit to plug. Developing and selling players is the only way we’re going to be able to support League One football in the long term unless another Bramall comes along. We saw very recently how bad things got when the money tap was turned off.
In Grants interview he discussed the bid with Mr Brammel and the CEO and it was agreed to go with the decision to turn it down and offer new contract. Therefore Terry made the decision with his money.
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I see this as a watershed in club history .It is the first régime I have know club and player turn down a substantial transfer fee move ..Gregg , Graham Watson , Pete Kitchen , Matt Mills ..all left !
Thought exactly the same!
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I for one don’t want us to be a “feeder” club, developing players for a couple of years then selling them for decent money once they’ve had half a good season.
I want the highs and lows of watching my team try to be a success on the pitch. In the meantime if we do occasionally sell a player for a big fee, so be it, but I don’t want that as a business model:
That’s really easy to say when someone else is pumping in millions of pounds a year to allow that to happen. Club Doncaster brings in great commercial revenue for a club at our level but even with that there’s a £3m deficit to plug. Developing and selling players is the only way we’re going to be able to support League One football in the long term unless another Bramall comes along. We saw very recently how bad things got when the money tap was turned off.
In Grants interview he discussed the bid with Mr Brammel and the CEO and it was agreed to go with the decision to turn it down and offer new contract. Therefore Terry made the decision with his money.
In that interview Grant said they all discussed the bid & Grant was told the final decision was his.
He said “To be honest it’s rare that a manager has ANY say in these things at most football clubs”. With a wry smile.
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I for one don’t want us to be a “feeder” club, developing players for a couple of years then selling them for decent money once they’ve had half a good season.
I want the highs and lows of watching my team try to be a success on the pitch. In the meantime if we do occasionally sell a player for a big fee, so be it, but I don’t want that as a business model:
That’s really easy to say when someone else is pumping in millions of pounds a year to allow that to happen. Club Doncaster brings in great commercial revenue for a club at our level but even with that there’s a £3m deficit to plug. Developing and selling players is the only way we’re going to be able to support League One football in the long term unless another Bramall comes along. We saw very recently how bad things got when the money tap was turned off.
In Grants interview he discussed the bid with Mr Brammel and the CEO and it was agreed to go with the decision to turn it down and offer new contract. Therefore Terry made the decision with his money.
In that interview Grant said they all discussed the bid & Grant was told the final decision was his.
He said “To be honest it’s rare that a manager has ANY say in these things at most football clubs”. With a wry smile.
Is it the rest of football that is wrong or us?
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I for one don’t want us to be a “feeder” club, developing players for a couple of years then selling them for decent money once they’ve had half a good season.
I want the highs and lows of watching my team try to be a success on the pitch. In the meantime if we do occasionally sell a player for a big fee, so be it, but I don’t want that as a business model:
That’s really easy to say when someone else is pumping in millions of pounds a year to allow that to happen. Club Doncaster brings in great commercial revenue for a club at our level but even with that there’s a £3m deficit to plug. Developing and selling players is the only way we’re going to be able to support League One football in the long term unless another Bramall comes along. We saw very recently how bad things got when the money tap was turned off.
In Grants interview he discussed the bid with Mr Brammel and the CEO and it was agreed to go with the decision to turn it down and offer new contract. Therefore Terry made the decision with his money.
In that interview Grant said they all discussed the bid & Grant was told the final decision was his.
He said “To be honest it’s rare that a manager has ANY say in these things at most football clubs”. With a wry smile.
Is it the rest of football that is wrong or us?
How far will we get being the same as everyone else? We can't outspend teams so we need a unique and hopefully better way of doing things.
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So you think we can develop and sell 3m worth of players every year.?
Why not? …and the only way we do this is by developing players and NOT selling them off at the first average offer. Another good season for Molyneux, Bailey, Sterry, McGrath and what will they be worth? A lot more than now.
The club are building their assets, it’s the speculate to accumulate process, Peterborough have done it for years, Crewe did it. It’s the only way Rovers can function, attendances won’t be enough. It’s a bit pointless paying good money for a Championship manager, and Assistant, possibly one of the best medical guys in Rennie and not let them use the skills they’re paid for to develop players….. AND then sell them for top price.
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Grant was asked what he wanted to do and he said if he has done that in one season at league 2 imagine what a good season in league 1 would do
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Good to see us protecting our assets, giving us strength in depth, and a sign of intent to progress.
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So you think we can develop and sell 3m worth of players every year.?
Why not? …and the only way we do this is by developing players and NOT selling them off at the first average offer. Another good season for Molyneux, Bailey, Sterry, McGrath and what will they be worth? A lot more than now.
The club are building their assets, it’s the speculate to accumulate process, Peterborough have done it for years, Crewe did it. It’s the only way Rovers can function, attendances won’t be enough. It’s a bit pointless paying good money for a Championship manager, and Assistant, possibly one of the best medical guys in Rennie and not let them use the skills they’re paid for to develop players….. AND then sell them for top price.
Bailey turns 27 this season
Molyneux turns 28
Sterry turns 30
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So you think we can develop and sell 3m worth of players every year.?
Why not? …and the only way we do this is by developing players and NOT selling them off at the first average offer. Another good season for Molyneux, Bailey, Sterry, McGrath and what will they be worth? A lot more than now.
The club are building their assets, it’s the speculate to accumulate process, Peterborough have done it for years, Crewe did it. It’s the only way Rovers can function, attendances won’t be enough. It’s a bit pointless paying good money for a Championship manager, and Assistant, possibly one of the best medical guys in Rennie and not let them use the skills they’re paid for to develop players….. AND then sell them for top price.
Bailey turns 27 this season
Molyneux turns 28
Sterry turns 30
This is totally individual opinion, but hear me out.
If we got offered £1m for any of Bailey Sterry or Moly I would accept.
I WOULD NOT accept £1m for McGrath.
That does not mean right now that McGrath is a better or more important player that these three. Currently he is below them, this is all IMO.
They are all VERY important players to us right now. But Jay is 22, left footed left CB. They are few and far between.
Owen, luke and Jamie's commercial value are curtailing so their value to us surpasses that of monetary terms.
Jay is on the upward curve and in a position that is a rare as a No9 that bags 20goals a year.
Tag this thread, in 1-2yrs this boy will be our record sale.
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I can’t believe anyone questioning the Club’s decision on JM. I see it as an incredibly positive thing for the Club, the staff, the players and most of all the fans.
I agree about the discussion that boils down to us trying to be a sustainable club and yes, there’s a need to sell players and make a profit which (hopefully) gets recycled into the club such that can keep grinding the wheel. But the fact of the matter is it comes down to timing and, in no small part, the ambitions of the club. Now, all the signs are there that we are becoming an upwardly mobile unit with a lot going for us right now. I’m sure there are things that can be improved, but my God, we are incomparable to the shit storm of just a few short seasons ago!
Just sit back and enjoy the ride. I know I’m going to do just that.
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If we are going to sell our best players, let’s do that after 2-3 seasons of performing for the first team, not just development and then half a season tearing up the league.
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Usher Wide, if we had carried on the last ten games and shipping goals like we did at Chesterfield and with McGrath et al I don't think we would have been in Division I
We got lucky and had to play a player in that position who was immaculate to the end of the season playing to get another club by the wa, and would probably not been anywhere near the team apart for injury.
And yes Stev@DRFC it is frightening isn't it, we will have to defend better quicker thinking and reacting forwards this season, everyone of our players are going to have to lift their game and be consistent, some will find it difficult.
I doubt very much we will end this coming season without quite a few changes. Every time we have gone up new better players have been required to bolster the team in certain positions. i
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Another factor is the statement by TB that he wishes to get the club to higher status to make it easier to find the right type of succession when that time comes.
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So you think we can develop and sell 3m worth of players every year.?
Why not? …and the only way we do this is by developing players and NOT selling them off at the first average offer. Another good season for Molyneux, Bailey, Sterry, McGrath and what will they be worth? A lot more than now.
The club are building their assets, it’s the speculate to accumulate process, Peterborough have done it for years, Crewe did it. It’s the only way Rovers can function, attendances won’t be enough. It’s a bit pointless paying good money for a Championship manager, and Assistant, possibly one of the best medical guys in Rennie and not let them use the skills they’re paid for to develop players….. AND then sell them for top price.
Bailey turns 27 this season
Molyneux turns 28
Sterry turns 30
Richie Wellens was, I think 29 when he left us for Leicester, so 27 to 30 doesn’t mean you cannot get a big move if you’re good enough. As we appear to be looking after contracts now then a big move can equate to big money.
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The basic fact is that the club does not want to sell, what are you going to do about it? Boo the player who doesn't leave? Call for GM to be sacked? get over it and be pleased we have another good player.
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You sell a player, voluntarily, once you have a plan to replace them. Clearly Grant didn't in this instance.
From memory didn't we turn down bids for both Sharp & Marquis - and then they ended up going for less a few months later?
It's a funny old game.
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You sell a player, voluntarily, once you have a plan to replace them. Clearly Grant didn't in this instance.
From memory didn't we turn down bids for both Sharp & Marquis - and then they ended up going for less a few months later?
It's a funny old game.
In Sharp's case I think the release clause was lower after the summer, and Southampton activated it in January. Could be wrong since it was so long ago now.
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You sell a player, voluntarily, once you have a plan to replace them. Clearly Grant didn't in this instance.
From memory didn't we turn down bids for both Sharp & Marquis - and then they ended up going for less a few months later?
It's a funny old game.
In Sharp's case I think the release clause was lower after the summer, and Southampton activated it in January. Could be wrong since it was so long ago now.
Yeah, we turned down c.£3m in the summer, only to lose him for £1.85m in the winter.
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You sell a player, voluntarily, once you have a plan to replace them. Clearly Grant didn't in this instance.
From memory didn't we turn down bids for both Sharp & Marquis - and then they ended up going for less a few months later?
It's a funny old game.
In Sharp's case I think the release clause was lower after the summer, and Southampton activated it in January. Could be wrong since it was so long ago now.
Yeah, we turned down c.£3m in the summer, only to lose him for £1.85m in the winter.
I don’t think that it was a case of us turning it down more of Billy not wanting to leave then. I’m sure that S.O.D. would have liked the 3 million to spend on strengthening the team.
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You sell a player, voluntarily, once you have a plan to replace them. Clearly Grant didn't in this instance.
From memory didn't we turn down bids for both Sharp & Marquis - and then they ended up going for less a few months later?
It's a funny old game.
In Sharp's case I think the release clause was lower after the summer, and Southampton activated it in January. Could be wrong since it was so long ago now.
Yeah, we turned down c.£3m in the summer, only to lose him for £1.85m in the winter.
I don’t think that it was a case of us turning it down more of Billy not wanting to leave then. I’m sure that S.O.D. would have liked the 3 million to spend on strengthening the team.
This is how I remember it too. Triggered £3.25m release clause, Billy said no, then they came back in January when the release clause was lower for reasons and signed him and he fired them to promotio as Rovers finished rock bottom.
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It was Leicester who made the earlier, higher bid. I don’t think they were nailed on for promotion then so Billy said no I think, whereas Southampton came later with a lower bid but we’re going up that season, so he moved.
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His release clause in January was something like one million or just over.
We lost out badly on him not going earlier. Possibly spent wisely, that could have kept us up and no experiment.
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Didn't Ipswich bid 300k for Copps once?
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Didn't Ipswich bid 300k for Copps once?
Stole my thoughts there DM!
On the back of the £500k bid for Jay I was going to ask if at anytime throughout his career, has our club’s living legend ever had that amount offered for his services?
He was like a fine wine that got better by age.
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Didn't Ipswich bid 300k for Copps once?
Remember that there were even stories that Mrs Copps had accepted a job at Ipswich hospital
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Didn't Ipswich bid 300k for Copps once?
Yep, along with a £2.3m bid for Billy.
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You sell a player, voluntarily, once you have a plan to replace them. Clearly Grant didn't in this instance.
From memory didn't we turn down bids for both Sharp & Marquis - and then they ended up going for less a few months later?
It's a funny old game.
In Sharp's case I think the release clause was lower after the summer, and Southampton activated it in January. Could be wrong since it was so long ago now.
Yeah, we turned down c.£3m in the summer, only to lose him for £1.85m in the winter.
I don’t think that it was a case of us turning it down more of Billy not wanting to leave then. I’m sure that S.O.D. would have liked the 3 million to spend on strengthening the team.
John Ryan blocked the sale, SOD wanted to sell him so he could buy Mason and build a team around him
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You sell a player, voluntarily, once you have a plan to replace them. Clearly Grant didn't in this instance.
From memory didn't we turn down bids for both Sharp & Marquis - and then they ended up going for less a few months later?
It's a funny old game.
In Sharp's case I think the release clause was lower after the summer, and Southampton activated it in January. Could be wrong since it was so long ago now.
Yeah, we turned down c.£3m in the summer, only to lose him for £1.85m in the winter.
I don’t think that it was a case of us turning it down more of Billy not wanting to leave then. I’m sure that S.O.D. would have liked the 3 million to spend on strengthening the team.
John Ryan blocked the sale, SOD wanted to sell him so he could buy Mason and build a team around him
How different from how our chairman operates today.
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The basic fact is that the club does not want to sell, what are you going to do about it? Boo the player who doesn't leave? Call for GM to be sacked? get over it and be pleased we have another good player.
Also the player didn’t want to leave he accepted the contract we offered he talk about his home Doncaster. So all this about turning down a bid when the owners happy with Grants decision when the CEO was happy with Grants decision and Jay was happy with his contract and wanted to stay. Get over yourselves and lets enjoy the new season
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Didn't Ipswich bid 300k for Copps once?
Remember that there were even stories that Mrs Copps had accepted a job at Ipswich hospital
Not quite, I think she tried to get a job at a hospital in Ipswich but there weren't any positions available.