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Viking Chat => Off Topic => Topic started by: BillyStubbsTears on July 11, 2025, 03:32:50 pm
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Look at Joffra Archer's reaction after 4 years of wondering if his career was over!
https://www.skysports.com/cricket/video/30998/13395453/england-vs-india-lords-erupts-as-jofra-archer-claims-his-first-wicket-back-after-only-three-deliveries
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Tremendous celebration. At 74 I joined him when I realized the batter was the wonder kid
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Astonishing record broken today
We aren't halfway through the series and this is already the record aggregate runs by wicket keepers in any test series in history.
All the series with Adam Gilchrist or Alec Stewart never matched this half series.
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Joe Root has also taken more catches in test cricket than anyone else after today’s second Indian wicket.
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Another one for you. Joe Root has scored 5,400 test runs since the start of 2021. Steve Smith is next with just over 3,000. The man’s a Demi-god.
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Tees it up nicely for tomorrow. Not much in it at this point!
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Joe Root has also taken more catches in test cricket than anyone else after today’s second Indian wicket.
And WHAT a catch that was. Brilliant
Then copied by Brook going opposite way
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Great morning but it's getting tense now Jadeja is going....
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Bumrah doing a Jack Leach?
:chair:
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He's having too much fun.
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Get in, I'll take the credit for that wicket lol
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Eeh, int sport brilliant....
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Eeh, int sport brilliant....
From about 3-5pm it wasn't that brilliant, now it is brilliant again!
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Brilliant game all round had everything.
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Enthralling game, absolutely terrific. Stokes is capable of changing the game in so many different ways, he’s an extraordinary player. Great effort by India - they played so well, dominated a lot of the game and dug in superbly this afternoon but couldn’t quite make it.
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What a series
Some of the highest team and individual scoring of all time.
Some spells of bowling as good as anything you'll see.
Proper needle between the two sides.
India must be wondering what more they need to do.
They have 4 batsmen averaging between 62 and 110.
They have Bumrah bowling like a true all time great, and Siraj and Deep being pretty good backups.
They've been the better side in maybe 30 of 45 sessions.
And they are still 2-1 down.
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There are better batsmen and bowlers in Englands team than Stokes, but by God he makes up for it in sheer effort, motivation and determination.
He’s the perfect Captain, an example to those around him.
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So yesterday Washington says confidently that India will win the test after lunch. Today he's caught and bowled by Archer for a duck.
Yesterday Siraj takes Duckett's wicket and screams in his face (and gets a fine for his trouble). Today he drags on for the wicket that loses the game for india.
The sort of life lessons that would be too on the nose for a Disney movie. That's cricket for you.
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For all the excitement of England winning, I'm absolutely enthralled by Bumrah as a bowler. I went to the Headingley test a few weeks ago and it was electrifying watching both him and Stokes. There's something almost superhuman about their presence. The way they impose themselves on the game and make something happen.
But Bumrah is the more interesting one because his technique is so unique. He's a bit of a freak of nature given his far his elbow over extends, and his timing of snapping that through is what gives him the pace. But I've never seen anyone bowl at his pace and be so metronome-accurate. Given the dominance of batting in the modern game, for a bowler to have a career test average under 20.0 is phenomenal. He's in the reckoning to be the best bowler of all time. Absolute privilege to see him play in the flesh.
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Meanwhile, Australia have just bowled out the West Indies for the second lowest innings total in Test history.
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What a series so far. Gripping stuff.
I’d swap Bashir for Bethell in the next test and let him and Root share the work load with spin bowling.
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Bet that was a t**t of a wicket.
516 runs for 40 wickets in the four innings. Lowest aggregate in a test match in which all 40 wickets fell since 1907.
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Bet that was a t**t of a wicket.
516 runs for 40 wickets in the four innings. Lowest aggregate in a test match in which all 40 wickets fell since 1907.
Starc looked shit hot. Not looking forward to getting terrorised by him when December comes around.
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Its just a shame that this fantastic test series is being affected by the issues with the Dukes balls. I don't think ever ever seen a test were the ball has had to be changed so often. It did make me laugh when India had their almost new ball replaced for something that looked like it had done half an innings!
The main issue though to me is how this can effect a game, in the past a side would require bowlers who could use the new ball till it went soft and then have adequate bowlers who could use the old ball to reverse/conventional swing in the middle to late overs and also decent spinners to use on the wearing wickets.
I mean how much spin bowling has been effective in this series? because of the far too frequent ball changes i feel its affected these games too much, but up to now we have a fantastic series, long may it continue.
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For all the excitement of England winning, I'm absolutely enthralled by Bumrah as a bowler. I went to the Headingley test a few weeks ago and it was electrifying watching both him and Stokes. There's something almost superhuman about their presence. The way they impose themselves on the game and make something happen.
But Bumrah is the more interesting one because his technique is so unique. He's a bit of a freak of nature given his far his elbow over extends, and his timing of snapping that through is what gives him the pace. But I've never seen anyone bowl at his pace and be so metronome-accurate. Given the dominance of batting in the modern game, for a bowler to have a career test average under 20.0 is phenomenal. He's in the reckoning to be the best bowler of all time. Absolute privilege to see him play in the flesh.
BST, the Sky team did some analysis during the Edgebaston test on Bumrah's body shape at point of delivery showing his torso is tilted significantly over to his left at point of release which causes the receiving batter to feel like the ball is tracking into the stumps. They gave this as the most likely reason for his success. They then went on to show that Stokes has a very similar lean to the left when he delivers the ball, suggesting that this is the reason he seems able to get wickets when others simply can't break through.
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Is it just me , or do others think some Bowlers look as though they throw rather than bowl
I know TCCB and others can scrutinize Bowlers actions but still to me there are some who look as though they shy at the stumps and I know I for sure could have been 100 times more effective *** if I could have run in and shied at the Stumps
*** For the record I couldn't bowl "to save my life '
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I think also in the past quite a few bowlers of today would be cited for throwing.
They used to make a very big deal about bowling with a straight arm then along comes a bowler like Murali. I'm not sure if it was before or after but they then introduced the 15degree allowance for bowlers with "bendy limbs" to ensure they would be allowed to bowl without being cited.
If they reverted to the straight arm how many bowlers would in effect disappear?
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Agree John, definitely some who have an element of throwing as the arm comes over.
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That Sri Lankan with the frizzy hair definitely threw the ball
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I always used to think Glenn McGrath was the most reliably accurate bowler the world had seen and was ever going to see. I remember hearing him talking about how he practised, or was made to practice, as a kid. A coin on the wicket on a length and told to bowl until he hit it. And then, when he did, being told to bowl until he hit it in consecutive deliveries. And so on....
I never, ever, believed I'd see better. Has Bumrah bettered the best?
BobG
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Someone I used to know who was a very very good bowler, played county 2nds and had the chance to pro at Pudsey St Lawrence, used to practice by putting a beer mat down and hitting 9 out of 12, moving it to bowl different lengths.
He turned down the chance of going professional/semi professional because he could earn more money down the mine, he had a young family and unfortunately he got killed down there
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I used to have my lad, Alex, bowl at a handkerchief when he was 10-11 years old. If he hit it, he got an ice cream.As he got older the targets got smaller. By the time he was 16 he could successfully bowl a very rapid inswinging leg stump yorker 9 times out of 12. Then he discovered girls. And beer...
If he'd had the mental determination and focus, two international players told me he could end up playing for England. A Gillette Cup Final MoM winner who had turned to coaching told me Alex was the second best teenager he'd ever seen. But Alex hadn't got those attributes. Shame. But he's still a damn good club all rounder.
Them girls...They got a bloody lot to answer for :s :s :s
BobG
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At junior school our cricket teacher checking out who would be the bowlers would put a half a crown on the.length. if you hit you kept it.
I ended up wicket keeper!
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Ha ha ha ha!!!
BobG
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Squeaky bum time
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Not any more
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A bit unfortunate both sides in the series had to play with injured players but it's just how it goes. A couple of poor shots from England I thought this morning.
Credit to Siraj though, great bowling and a character too.
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Several poor shots to get out from Brook, Root, Smith, Duckett.
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A series draw was the right result in the end.
Very entertaining set of matches.
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Agreed. For there to be so much to play for with single digit runs required on the last day of a test series really underlines how gripping the long format of the game is. There's really nothing quite like test cricket.
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Several poor shots to get out from Brook, Root, Smith, Duckett.
I guess they could all play like Boycott and Tavare.
Test cricket was going down the pan before Bazball. This England side has reinvented it as a spectator sport and that means it is never dull.
India understand too. It's better to lose entertainingly than win boringly.
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That was by a million miles the highest quality and most grippingly entertaining test series I've ever seen. The 2005 Ashes was amazing, but that was at least half due to the aura of the contest. This was two wonderfully talented sides throwing haymakers at each other for 25 days, and finally calling it a draw. A privilege to watch.
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I’ll raise you the 1981 ashes..
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I’m all for bazball as it’s great entertainment, but with victory and a series win in sight maybe they
could have been a bit more careful, especially Brook who had em where he wanted em.
India looked a beaten side til he got himself out.
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Agreed tommy and suspect Harry Brook will know that himself and learn from the bitter disappointment.
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I’ll raise you the 1981 ashes..
That was mostly a one man show. And that Aussie team was far from the best.
This has been shot through with quality throughout both teams.
11 batsmen averaged over 40
There were 21 centuries from 12 different batsmen.
The average stand was 41. The average run rate was 4.8/over.
Despite that, there were 8 5-for's by the bowlers and 6 bowlers averaged 32 or less, taking 90 wickets between them.
1981 by contrast
7 hundreds
3 players averaged over 40
Average stand was 26
Average run rate was 2.8/over.
Plus, pretty much every session of this series has been compelling watching. Some of the 1981 series was turgid (Boycott and Tavare scoring, what was it? 45 in the Saturday morning session at Old Trafford.)
It's an absolutely different game now.
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I had the misfortune to be at the 1981 test on the Saturday, when we got slaughtered.
On the Tuesday, when the miracle happened, the bloody ground was nearly empty.
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What a superb 5 tests that was. Gripping stuff.
A crying shame we aren’t treated to a one day & t20 series but instead we’ve got The Hundred.
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I bloody hate the hundred.
BobG
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I hate batsmen picked to play for England who play all their cricket on loam wickets and don't move their feet when batting.
And if its legal why don't we teach our bowlers to throw like Bumrah
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Siraj was the best bowler over the series and he doesn’t throw the ball.
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Bumrah doesn't throw the ball. He has a physical condition that means his elbow joint overextends. It's the 180 degree opposite of an illegal throwing action.
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He also seems to have something happen with his wrist or is that to do with the elbow. Must say when you see his action on TV from behind as he bowls it is very strange
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I bloody hate the hundred.
BobG
I wouldn't say I hate it, but I have no affinity for it. Who am I supposed to support? Which means I have no interest in it and don't watch it.
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I bloody hate the hundred.
BobG
I wouldn't say I hate it, but I have no affinity for it. Who am I supposed to support? Which means I have no interest in it and don't watch it.
I watch it a bit but it's super weird seeing the Yorkshire captain walking out at headingley for the away side, really odd.
Why they didn't just make the T20 tournament better I'll never know.
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As well as hardly missing a Rovers game for about 60 years, the late great John Barker was equally fanatical about Yorks cricket and travelled all over to support them in the summer.
But he wouldn’t support the Northern Superchargers as they ‘weren’t Yorkshire.’