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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: LincsRover on August 02, 2025, 08:27:38 pm
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What should have been a great winning first match back in league 1 was marred for me and my mates when a group of teen morons verbally abused a couple of young teenage Exeter fans who were minding their own business. They then followed them into the car park next to the Dulux shop and about a dozen of them kicked the sh*t out of them.
The scumbags ran off when we rushed over to help but one ended up missing a tooth and the other covered in blood from a bad head wound. We spent the next hour looking after him and bandaging his head to stop the blood. Not a copper in sight and someone rang an ambulance which they said would take 2 hours (2 f*ck*ng hours for a head wound!!!!). I ran back to the stadium and found 2 officers in a traffic car sat outside the main entrance having a nice chat. They took an age to get to the car park as there were queues and they showed no urgency! I got back quicker jogging and I’m 61 and no Usain Bolt!
Anyway 2 young lads travelled all the way from Exeter to watch their team and ended up in Donny royal! I know there are d*ckheads at all football clubs but they made me ashamed to be a Donny fan today. The police said they knew who they were as they’re regular troublemakers and a couple of girls and a vlogger bloke had filmed the whole lot. I hope the club bans them for life, I don’t want them to be any part of my club! :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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I saw something happening in the South Stand too in the second half, some sort of fighting but no idea why.
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Did the people filming offer any help.?
Sounds like a disgraceful incident anyway.
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We certainly have a fair contingent of kn*bs amongst our fans.
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Did the people filming offer any help.?
Sounds like a disgraceful incident anyway.
No, a couple of young girls who had travelled with them took photos of the thugs and the vlogger chap filmed it from his car. We ran across as the attack happened and they scattered and it was all a bit too late!
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Never get many police on that route from stadium through Hyde Park. Only for the biggest local games will they post an officer at the end of that snicket. Always trouble every season there.
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You see, this is the trouble with this country. There are no consequences to be faced for people's actions.
I'll just bet that these scrotes don't get custodial sentences.
Pathetic.
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Maybe it will be worthwhile putting a complaint in to the police about their response.
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What caused the commotion this week in the south stand?
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What caused the commotion this week in the south stand?
Alcohol? Lack of brain cells?
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What caused the commotion this week in the south stand?
Apparently someone moved into a kids seat who had been down to the front to get a flag. Obviously I get it’s unreserved and go where you like but if it’s a kid who is with his family it does seem a bit harsh
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You only have to listen around the south stand to understand that the hooliganism culture is back and bubbling away again, it’s become cool and a right of passage to the young guys and girls.
It’s sad and quite a few will end up regretting their choice. It is starting to remind me of the late 80’s early 90’s pubs ,drugs , designer gear they can’t really afford (or knock off) and tear ups is the bigger attraction than the football.
This is not just a DRFC issue by any means.
I hope they get what they deserve. No fan who has no interest in this hooliganism should be subject to such violence. I hope the Exeter fans are ok.
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This is absolutely sickening.
If the police know who they are and there is video footage of them it is imperative that the club acts to ensure they are banned immediately. Quite apart from any action that the police might take.
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I went to Tranmere away last season with my girl who was 12 at the time. Went in at HT for a drink and some chips or whatever and I was shocked at the level of pissed up w**kers in there. A few of em wanted ironing out. Embarrassing.
And yes I was one of the others that didn't say a word because I had my kid with me.
f**king dim wits that wouldn't get into a 1 on 1.
The group that has beaten up 2 Exeter kids will no doubt be in Donny still telling everyone how they turned over the Exeter crew.
Sad.
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I bet this game didn’t even get Policed, last season we had 11 fans arrested in total, I doubt Exeter had many more. It will have been rated really low in relation to Risk.
The Club Safety Officer should have sorted this!
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What was just as concerning was coming back on the coach to Exeter a few of our young supporters age around 11 were again being verbally abused by some total idiots. One has had screen shots turned over to the police. The mentality of some is mind numbing. I would hope your club would make a formal apology for both lots of mornic behaviour. Our fans are amongst the best in this league for getting behind our team and cause no trouble so this has marred many people's feelings toward DRFC. Parents were visibly shocked by what happened today. As someone who works with children I for one wont return after that welcome
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I will never go to an away game again due to both the number of scrotes that follow our club and the violence which maybe not as bad as it was in the 80's, but has never gone away and quite frankly I can't comprehend.
Simply not a safe environment to take my little boy.
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I wonder if this group will be as visible when the like of Barnsley, Cardiff and Huddersfield are in town?
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I will never go to an away game again due to both the number of scrotes that follow our club and the violence which maybe not as bad as it was in the 80's, but has never gone away and quite frankly I can't comprehend.
Simply not a safe environment to take my little boy.
I went to nearly every one last season and trouble was at an absolute minimum. Can’t remember seeing any bar Tranmere away.
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Is the club management aware this happened? They can't be responsible for the behaviour of these idiots, but I would expect they will want to make some kind of apology to the victims and their families as well as take some action against the yobs if they are identified.
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I will never go to an away game again due to both the number of scrotes that follow our club and the violence which maybe not as bad as it was in the 80's, but has never gone away and quite frankly I can't comprehend.
Simply not a safe environment to take my little boy.
I went to nearly every one last season and trouble was at an absolute minimum. Can’t remember seeing any bar Tranmere away.
Sorry but we have stopped going to away matches purely because of the actions of our supporters, and not just young boys but adults of all ages.
We attended Hull where there was trouble, and Notts County where there was trouble and a potentially very dangerous situation where some of our supporters could have been very seriously injured.
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With regards to the younger element at our home games, this needs to be sorted.
It’s the same group looking for trouble at every game, we saw them many times last season with some videos of them.
Surely with all the cameras in and around the ground, the group involved in this latest incident can be identified.
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Is the club management aware this happened? They can't be responsible for the behaviour of these idiots, but I would expect they will want to make some kind of apology to the victims and their families as well as take some action against the yobs if they are identified.
Does anyone know who I need to email to report this to the club please or is there anyone on here (the supporters liaison?) who can take this forward? You’re right, they need to know so they can ban these scumbags, preferably for life. The police have all the details so the club can liaise with them once they are aware.
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All power to you Lincs! You’ll be doing a favour to us all if you follow this through.
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As I was walking back post match to car park 3, I heard a youth telling his pals that he was meeting up with some Exeter fans for a scrap, he laughed because they were 14 year olds.
Pardon my ignorance but how do they arrange the ‘get togethers’? He was referring to his phone when he said, 14 year olds.
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There were a group of 10 or so young and older lads in front of us. Exeter fans looking and pointing at people on our way back to the station. We held back a bit. They turned of towards Hyde park. I only saw 2 police walking towards the station from car park 2.
Feel for the two Exeter supporters.
Must feel good these idiots that walk around in groups picking on a couple of lads. We are in a strange world. Why can’t everyone just get on
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Just reading this and it’s made feel a little bit sick if truth be told. The level of the violence described deserves nothing less than custody for those involved. If you are on this forum and you were involved in this disgrace, be man enough to hand yourselves in - although I doubt very much they’d have the bottle. Utter scum bags that should never be allowed to step foot in our stadium again.
For those of us with children of our own, I can only imagine how the victims parents are feeling.
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Made me feel really down reading that. Imagine giving your teenager the freedom to go and support their club with their mates that far away from home and you get a call to be told they’ve had their heads kicked in. I think in football a massive song and dance is made about equality and racism in the game and rightly so, I’m by no means playing those subjects down at all but, for me the safety of supporters young or old and driving these thugs out of the game falls into a far bigger category than words and name calling.
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I will never go to an away game again due to both the number of scrotes that follow our club and the violence which maybe not as bad as it was in the 80's, but has never gone away and quite frankly I can't comprehend.
Simply not a safe environment to take my little boy.
Me and my husband have supported our Club for many many years home and away, and we feel exactly the same, we would love to travel again to away games, but don’t because of these selfish mindless morons. Sad thing is they get away with it!
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I bet this game didn’t even get Policed, last season we had 11 fans arrested in total, I doubt Exeter had many more. It will have been rated really low in relation to Risk.
The Club Safety Officer should have sorted this!
Not sure how the club safety officer can do owt to prevent what goes on outside the stadium environment.?
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Just reading this and it’s made feel a little bit sick if truth be told. The level of the violence described deserves nothing less than custody for those involved. If you are on this forum and you were involved in this disgrace, be man enough to hand yourselves in - although I doubt very much they’d have the bottle. Utter scum bags that should never be allowed to step foot in our stadium again.
For those of us with children of our own, I can only imagine how the victims parents are feeling.
This, totally! My daughter is 18 and her boyfriend is a notts county ST holder. Much to my disappointment (I invited her to rovers plenty of times!), she has started going to games with him and something like this makes my blood run cold. Imagining the poor lads mum & dad receiving a phone call back home after their 18yr old kids travelled all that way to watch their team play a game of football & ending up in hospital. It just shouldn’t happen! I’m not letting this go, something needs to be done.
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I bet this game didn’t even get Policed, last season we had 11 fans arrested in total, I doubt Exeter had many more. It will have been rated really low in relation to Risk.
The Club Safety Officer should have sorted this!
Not sure how the club safety officer can do owt to prevent what goes on outside the stadium environment.?
It's probably very highly likely that anyone perpetrating football violence actually went to the game. Stop them going to the game and you largely stop this. Every ticket is bought by a named individual these days.
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Surely offenders have to be identified as offenders before the club can ban them.?
I’m in agreement with bans for these scrotes, but lads can’t just be banned in advance for appearing maybe to be cocky young lads.?
Heavy but appropriate punishments for those morons who perpetrate these crimes should in theory act as a deterrent to others.?
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I bet this game didn’t even get Policed, last season we had 11 fans arrested in total, I doubt Exeter had many more. It will have been rated really low in relation to Risk.
The Club Safety Officer should have sorted this!
Not sure how the club safety officer can do owt to prevent what goes on outside the stadium environment.?
It's probably very highly likely that anyone perpetrating football violence actually went to the game. Stop them going to the game and you largely stop this. Every ticket is bought by a named individual these days.
They were definitely at the game and were walking towards car park 3. Actually at the car park 2 entrance the same group of morons were abusing the one police officer stood there (he disappeared quickly & was nowhere to be seen later). I thought he was going to arrest one of them as they were getting quite loud & approaching him - at one stage he dragged one of them and pushed him along the path. He can’t possibly have expected them to walk away quietly after that but nothing was done to follow them or keep an eye on them, which might have prevented this attack.
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Surely offenders have to be identified as offenders before the club can ban them.?
I’m in agreement with bans for these scrotes, but lads can’t just be banned in advance for appearing maybe to be cocky young lads.?
Heavy but appropriate punishments for those morons who perpetrate these crimes should in theory act as a deterrent to others.?
Agreed, but there were a couple of young Donny fans there who knew them and gave the police their names. Having watched the vloggers footage and seen the girls photos the officers attending also knew them and said they were known to them as troublemakers, so absolutely no reason they shouldn’t be banned from attending games and hopefully receive custodial sentences - although I doubt they’re old enough to go to a men’s prison even if convicted!
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Club needs to come down hard on this type of behaviour otherwise it’s more fans lost. Parents can’t bring their kids when this type of nonsense is going on.
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Absolutely gutted to hear this the Exeter fans were a credit to their club, hopefully these scumbags are formally identified and banned - we don’t want (or need) them sullying our club
To the Exeter fans involved I’m sorry you encountered this and wish you a speedy recovery
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I will never go to an away game again due to both the number of scrotes that follow our club and the violence which maybe not as bad as it was in the 80's, but has never gone away and quite frankly I can't comprehend.
Simply not a safe environment to take my little boy.
Well said. Like you I've stopped going to away matches as its an embarrassment. I also note that you're message didn't include foul language that some use OK with the odd letter missing. Possibly a case of hypocrisy ?
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Think Gavin needs to be aware of what happened yesterday, scumbags need banning for life.
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I'm sure any videos will be appearing on social media before long.
Shithouse tactics if you ask me, bullying exeter fans and claiming a result.
Now try it against cardiff
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Crikey Tony.... You're spot on there. Along with Millwall, Cardiff supporters gave me the two most frightening football experiences I've ever had.
I really do hope, first, that the damage inflicted is repairable and will be so asap, and two, that the gits who did this come across a few folk who don't like them. Utterly shameful.
BobG
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I'm sure any videos will be appearing on social media before long.
Shithouse tactics if you ask me, bullying exeter fans and claiming a result.
Now try it against cardiff
And even if they do what does that solve? I agree that these vermin will choose their fights but….. it’s football we are there for. Get there and get home SAFELY. End of story
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I will never go to an away game again due to both the number of scrotes that follow our club and the violence which maybe not as bad as it was in the 80's, but has never gone away and quite frankly I can't comprehend.
Simply not a safe environment to take my little boy.
Well said. Like you I've stopped going to away matches as its an embarrassment. I also note that you're message didn't include foul language that some use OK with the odd letter missing. Possibly a case of hypocrisy ?
I don’t particularly like swearing but it’s neither here nor there compared to the issue raised in this thread. Hope the aggressors are caught and heavily punished, there’s no place for it.
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Well done lincs rover for your efforts with others to give evidence to help seek sorting these thugs once and for good. Will those in the position to deal with this in a positive and effective manner do anything.?.?.? We maybe will see.
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We need to exert a level of pressure to ensure that they do. I’m confident that they will deal with it though.
The point about this putting off supporters from attending (either home or away) is an important one.
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They obviously don’t realise the potential consequences of 2 minutes of stupidity that can affect the rest of their lives for when the police catch up with them.
There’s no doubt that the injuries and experience of the victims will stay with them for the rest of their lives and the aggressors will be penalised and it could hamper a good career for them if they had any potential talent or skill.
Just for curiosity, I would like to see if it was the youths that I had seen previously were the perpetuators of the attack.
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I will never go to an away game again due to both the number of scrotes that follow our club and the violence which maybe not as bad as it was in the 80's, but has never gone away and quite frankly I can't comprehend.
Simply not a safe environment to take my little boy.
Well said. Like you I've stopped going to away matches as its an embarrassment. I also note that you're message didn't include foul language that some use OK with the odd letter missing. Possibly a case of hypocrisy ?
I know you don’t like swearing but that’s irrelevant and incomparable to the violence.
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Surely offenders have to be identified as offenders before the club can ban them.?
I’m in agreement with bans for these scrotes, but lads can’t just be banned in advance for appearing maybe to be cocky young lads.?
Heavy but appropriate punishments for those morons who perpetrate these crimes should in theory act as a deterrent to others.?
Agreed, but there were a couple of young Donny fans there who knew them and gave the police their names. Having watched the vloggers footage and seen the girls photos the officers attending also knew them and said they were known to them as troublemakers, so absolutely no reason they shouldn’t be banned from attending games and hopefully receive custodial sentences - although I doubt they’re old enough to go to a men’s prison even if convicted!
Completely agree, but it looked like some on here were implying that potential trouble makers should be banned, before they had actually done owt wrong.
Those from yesterday, throw the book at them. This needs nipping in the bud.
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I do intend following this up with the club on Monday morning when the office opens again but if anyone has GBs contact details or someone appropriately senior at the club I can communicate this to I would be very grateful.
I don’t think this is the last we’ll hear of this - the vlogger chap reckons he’s got lots of followers (?), and this will undoubtedly appear on social media, giving us a bad reputation which affects supporters (home & away) but also ensures troublemakers from other clubs we play might be encouraged to target us. A total mess either way.
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That are scum.of the earth types. It's down to us to sort them out.
So sorry to the Exeter fans. Massive trip out..might be the first for some teenagers.
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I will never go to an away game again due to both the number of scrotes that follow our club and the violence which maybe not as bad as it was in the 80's, but has never gone away and quite frankly I can't comprehend.
Simply not a safe environment to take my little boy.
Well said. Like you I've stopped going to away matches as its an embarrassment. I also note that you're message didn't include foul language that some use OK with the odd letter missing. Possibly a case of hypocrisy ?
Flippin 'ell Tucker
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Firstly very sad to hear of this and I hope those poor, real supporters of Exeter City are on the mend. After living in Cornwall for 30 years I went to Exeter many times, great, club great support.
Clearly Rovers need to investigate and liaise with police over the next week or so about this unacceptable infestation of our club.
So after a week or so …..DONCASTER ROVERS (my club) What are you going to do about this?
We have supporters saying they no longer wish to travel due to this infestation in our support base.
We have supporters saying they see this infestation every home game.
We have supporters saying , even the Police know of the infestation.
So!! DONCASTER ROVERS what are you going to do?
I think there are people on this forum (Silent M??) who have some clout. Well, it’s time to use that Clout and ensure that our club know that it’s real supporters are totally disgusted with THE INFESTATION. Totally ruined the 1st day of the season and I’m 1500 miles away!
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LincsRover, well done for raising this and for stating you are not letting it go.
When you contact Gavin please highlight the level of support you have received on the forum.
It’s time for action by the club, someone questioned if the safety officer has any involvement? Given the actions of this group generally starts around the perimeter of the stadium, then I suggested that yes he possibly needs to be involved. At the end of every game, this group leave the south stand and head straight to the West /North corner, which is where this latest incident started.
There is no doubt that it’s the same group, so needs sorting.
I hope the club get details of the 2 lads involved and make contact with them.
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That are scum.of the earth types. It's down to us to sort them out.
So sorry to the Exeter fans. Massive trip out..might be the first for some teenagers.
And quite possibly the last!!
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Sorry forgot to add, the fact that a supporter (Lincs, in this case) has to ask for contact details and who should be contacted when having footage/photos/seen something that is unacceptable is just poor in itself. Rovers should be offering supporters clear details (on screens/pitchside/on season tickets/match day program ( if they still exist) of how to feedback inappropriate behaviour and who to send to.
So that’s something else to sort under “Fan Engagement”.
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I think you’ve been on the £2 Stella for too long.
Let the adults have the discussions tomorrow when everyone is back at work.
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The issue first raised is a disgrace. Usually you hear about it and not care because usually it's like minded people wanting a scrap on both sides. Sounds like the opposite here and these lads have been cowardly targeted. Cretins. More than likely won't be at the reverse fixture either.
Not sure about the away games thing though, bar the local derbies Rovers fans behave well and even at local derbies the majority do. I wouldn't consider Rovers anywhere near the likes of some of our close rivals for cretins following the club
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Absolutely gutted to hear this the Exeter fans were a credit to their club, hopefully these scumbags are formally identified and banned - we don’t want (or need) them sullying our club
To the Exeter fans involved I’m sorry you encountered this and wish you a speedy recovery
Exeter have there own idiots two were nearly scrapping at the beefeater yesterday when I was having a drink with my dad , all clubs have idiots it's how you stop it what's hard to do ,people video it ,complain about it but never rarely step in to stop it, going away last season I saw very little of it
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I think you’ve been on the £2 Stella for too long.
Let the adults have the discussions tomorrow when everyone is back at work.
Very helpful, fyi I’ve just finished 2hours of tennis in 30 degrees so your way off the mark.
But yes, put off another day let someone else deal with it. Poor of you!.
Don’t do Stella here and it’s 3.80€ actually for a beer , just to keep you up to date and pull you out of the 80’s.
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Absolutely gutted to hear this the Exeter fans were a credit to their club, hopefully these scumbags are formally identified and banned - we don’t want (or need) them sullying our club
To the Exeter fans involved I’m sorry you encountered this and wish you a speedy recovery
Exeter have there own idiots two were nearly scrapping at the beefeater yesterday when I was having a drink with my dad , all clubs have idiots it's how you stop it what's hard to do ,people video it ,complain about it but never rarely step in to stop it, going away last season I saw very little of it
I had said on an earlier post that the youth that was near me as we were nearing car park 3 had read a message on his phone, I’m assuming that it was from an Exeter fan that wanted to scrap with him.
Is it TikTok or is it another app where they contact each other to arrange the fisticuffs?
I’m not saying that the lads deserved a good hiding, but they must know the risks of meeting up with other idiots of opposing fans.
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Absolutely gutted to hear this the Exeter fans were a credit to their club, hopefully these scumbags are formally identified and banned - we don’t want (or need) them sullying our club
To the Exeter fans involved I’m sorry you encountered this and wish you a speedy recovery
Exeter have there own idiots two were nearly scrapping at the beefeater yesterday when I was having a drink with my dad , all clubs have idiots it's how you stop it what's hard to do ,people video it ,complain about it but never rarely step in to stop it, going away last season I saw very little of it
Didn’t see them had some good banter with their fans at Beefeater
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I think you’ve been on the £2 Stella for too long.
Let the adults have the discussions tomorrow when everyone is back at work.
Very helpful, fyi I’ve just finished 2hours of tennis in 30 degrees so your way off the mark.
But yes, put off another day let someone else deal with it. Poor of you!.
Don’t do Stella here and it’s 3.80€ actually for a beer , just to keep you up to date and pull you out of the 80’s.
You say someone else to deal with it.
Who is this someone?
I’m sure the club are aware as they keep an eye on the forum and I’m also sure that they will be looking into it with the relevant authorities.
Just let them deal with without calling them out.
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I hope they do look at the forum, and therefore every comment on this particular thread is really important to get the message across that enough is enough. The more displeasure supporters write about this the better.
So your inaccurate and insulting comment of “you’ve been on the £2 Stella” is very unhelpful on this thread.
Seeing that this appears to have been going on sometime to a point that supporters have stopped going to games, and in turn the trouble causers seem to be known by many, then perhaps the club and police still have a lot to do. I look forward to some banning orders.
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Football hooliganism always has and always will unfortunately be part of the game. It is one of numerous reasons I have fallen out with the game a bit.
I will always support the Reds but the older I have got the more I think some peoples obsession with the need to provoke other teams fans, abuse players from both teams and just be an all round thug, I just cant deal with anymore and this will never change whatever the club tries to do.
Give me a cricket or rugby crowd any day of the week.
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I tolerate it because I love going to Rovers home and away. Watching grown men goading each other just because they happen to support another team is often distasteful, sometimes just funny.
Im not advocating for football to become sanitised. The passion of supporters is a crucial part of why we all love the sport but too often it just goes too far. I like rivalry, I don’t like displays of hatred.
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Was about 2.
Absolutely gutted to hear this the Exeter fans were a credit to their club, hopefully these scumbags are formally identified and banned - we don’t want (or need) them sullying our club
To the Exeter fans involved I’m sorry you encountered this and wish you a speedy recovery
Exeter have there own idiots two were nearly scrapping at the beefeater yesterday when I was having a drink with my dad , all clubs have idiots it's how you stop it what's hard to do ,people video it ,complain about it but never rarely step in to stop it, going away last season I saw very little of it
Didn’t see them had some good banter with their fans at Beefeater
was about 2.15 the lad/ bloke was off his head
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I will never go to an away game again due to both the number of scrotes that follow our club and the violence which maybe not as bad as it was in the 80's, but has never gone away and quite frankly I can't comprehend.
Simply not a safe environment to take my little boy.
Well said. Like you I've stopped going to away matches as its an embarrassment. I also note that you're message didn't include foul language that some use OK with the odd letter missing. Possibly a case of hypocrisy ?
Here we go again, right on cue. You just can't help yourself.
A couple of young kids have been hospitalised after having their heads kicked in, and the only thing you can bang on about is some bad language on this forum.
This is the 3rd time in recent years that you've come on here and completely played down acts of absolute evil, choosing instead to criticise the language used to describe those acts.
Just unbelievable.
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I’m more than happy to speak to those in a position to do something about this, but I can assure you they will already know about it.
Up until I retired I was Chair of the SYP Independent Advisory Group that represented the supporters of the SY clubs. I still have all the contact numbers etc,
If Lincs needs me give me a shout but I’m sure the club and the SYP football unit will be already on it.
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Was about 2.Absolutely gutted to hear this the Exeter fans were a credit to their club, hopefully these scumbags are formally identified and banned - we don’t want (or need) them sullying our club
To the Exeter fans involved I’m sorry you encountered this and wish you a speedy recovery
Exeter have there own idiots two were nearly scrapping at the beefeater yesterday when I was having a drink with my dad , all clubs have idiots it's how you stop it what's hard to do ,people video it ,complain about it but never rarely step in to stop it, going away last season I saw very little of it
Didn’t see them had some good banter with their fans at Beefeater
was about 2.15 the lad/ bloke was off his head
I didn't go to the beefeater but walked past from where I park and I bet it's the same person I saw. White coat? I thought he's definitely had a long trip on it
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Was about 2.Absolutely gutted to hear this the Exeter fans were a credit to their club, hopefully these scumbags are formally identified and banned - we don’t want (or need) them sullying our club
To the Exeter fans involved I’m sorry you encountered this and wish you a speedy recovery
Exeter have there own idiots two were nearly scrapping at the beefeater yesterday when I was having a drink with my dad , all clubs have idiots it's how you stop it what's hard to do ,people video it ,complain about it but never rarely step in to stop it, going away last season I saw very little of it
Didn’t see them had some good banter with their fans at Beefeater
was about 2.15 the lad/ bloke was off his head
Fair enough I’d left before then - no place for that or the incident after the game
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Was about 2.Absolutely gutted to hear this the Exeter fans were a credit to their club, hopefully these scumbags are formally identified and banned - we don’t want (or need) them sullying our club
To the Exeter fans involved I’m sorry you encountered this and wish you a speedy recovery
Exeter have there own idiots two were nearly scrapping at the beefeater yesterday when I was having a drink with my dad , all clubs have idiots it's how you stop it what's hard to do ,people video it ,complain about it but never rarely step in to stop it, going away last season I saw very little of it
Didn’t see them had some good banter with their fans at Beefeater
was about 2.15 the lad/ bloke was off his head
I didn't go to the beefeater but walked past from where I park and I bet it's the same person I saw. White coat? I thought he's definitely had a long trip on it
yes it was him nearly got smashed until somebody stepped in to defuse it
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Is it not possible to use a ( club) app on which to alert stewards to anti-social behaviour in real time when it breaks out in the stadium ?
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Is it not possible to use a ( club) app on which to alert stewards to anti-social behaviour in real time when it breaks out in the stadium ?
Im sure i saw some advert/message regarding a number you can text with with numbers and blocks.
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Is it not possible to use a ( club) app on which to alert stewards to anti-social behaviour in real time when it breaks out in the stadium ?
Im sure i saw some advert/message regarding a number you can text with with numbers and blocks.
Yes. How to report these things are on the website AND within the info sent out in the prematch guide before every home game.
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I tolerate it because I love going to Rovers home and away. Watching grown men goading each other just because they happen to support another team is often distasteful, sometimes just funny.
I totally agree with this. Neighbour of mine is a STH at Forest and occasionally offers me a spare ticket if his lad can't go... He sits in the first tier corner above the away support and it never ceases to amaze me how much time and effort the Forest supporters and away fans spend looking, goading and gesturing each other during the game.... to the point that they miss the action/goals etc...
Just seems an awful waste of money to travel to a game, hand over a large wad for tickets/food/travel etc and then spend 90 minutes flicking the V's up at opposition fans...
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I read the OP in shame. I was going to write a " please don't go back to the BAD old days"
Then I realized I had already written it.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=289103.0#msg1263659
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The upcoming home game with Rotherham is very likely to bring the idiots out in force from both sets of fans.
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Is it not possible to use a ( club) app on which to alert stewards to anti-social behaviour in real time when it breaks out in the stadium ?
Im sure i saw some advert/message regarding a number you can text with with numbers and blocks.
Yes. How to report these things are on the website AND within the info sent out in the prematch guide before every home game.
This is available on match days and for any issues within the stadium. It doesn’t cover any incidents outside the stadium, which this obviously was. I rang the club first thing this morning but the security team weren’t around until later. I am awaiting a response, impatiently, and have also sent a strongly worded email on the ‘contact us’ button on the DROS. I can’t find any other ways to contact them so will await a response either by phone (as promised) or via email. I’ll keep you updated as, if I don’t receive a response today, I will contact you SM to ask for more direct comms with people who will respond. Cheers
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Is it not possible to use a ( club) app on which to alert stewards to anti-social behaviour in real time when it breaks out in the stadium ?
Im sure i saw some advert/message regarding a number you can text with with numbers and blocks.
Yes. How to report these things are on the website AND within the info sent out in the prematch guide before every home game.
This is available on match days and for any issues within the stadium. It doesn’t cover any incidents outside the stadium, which this obviously was. I rang the club first thing this morning but the security team weren’t around until later. I am awaiting a response, impatiently, and have also sent a strongly worded email on the ‘contact us’ button on the DROS. I can’t find any other ways to contact them so will await a response either by phone (as promised) or via email. I’ll keep you updated as, if I don’t receive a response today, I will contact you SM to ask for more direct comms with people who will respond. Cheers
I think you're doing over and above to deal with this incident outside the stadium complex, which is very commendable. I'm sure SM will make sure the club do whatevers reasonable to take on board the evidence to identify the culprits.
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Your commitment to ensure this is acted upon is clear Lincs. Thanks again from me.
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An update, and good news, the head of security has contacted me and I’m pleased to say the club are taking this very seriously. The people involved will be banned and dealt with by the club appropriately and quickly.
The disappointment is that South Yorkshire police haven’t been in touch with the club about this and we were only aware due to this forum (they do look at it) and the contact I made with the club this morning. They have contacted SYP to liaise & share all the info with them (I was able to provide some details but SYP have more names/video/witnesses/details of victims & their injuries etc) so I hope SYP do their job and deal with it appropriately, quickly and harshly.
Unfortunately DRFC can only give out banning orders etc.. but the police can obviously go further. I hope they get what they deserve.
Having spoken to people within the club I’m very much encouraged that we will do the right thing concerning both the perpetrators and the victims - we will be contacting Exeter city to ask about the victims and apologise on the clubs behalf. I would love it if this made a difference but I’m pessimistic in that every club has its scumbags, and we have our share. The only way to try to change things is by letting the club, police or even this forum know whenever you see something like I had the misfortune to be a part of on Saturday. Let’s kick the b*st*rds out of our club!! :boxing: :boxing: :byebye: :byebye:
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Thank you LincsRover.
I have been talking to the club since yesterday evening. Nothing more I can add on your summary…thanks again.
By way of showing that the club does liaise, follows things through & involves other agencies…
Last September there was a report of racial abuse at a home game.The offender couldn’t be identified immediately. The club followed this through to a positive conclusion at the next home game. They were picked out by CCTV & all the information was passed onto SYP.
I’m advised that the offender received a THREE YEAR BANNING ORDER by the courts last week.
It proves that by passing on this information, that results can be achieved. Well done to all involved.
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Yeah this has no place. Also same with the trouble in the home stand. My 11 year old really didnt like it and was worrying about it the whole game
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I understand the trouble in the south stand was due to someone leaving their seat and others then went and sat in them.
This is happening all the time in the south stand, basically we has a family cannot go down to the concourse together, thus I have spoken to Gavin about this on a couple of occasions. (Loss of revenue at half time and also before game because we go to the seats about 45-60mins before kick off)
The only way to resolve is to go back to reserved seating as per the other stands!
I know many will immediately come on here saying no way, saying south stand will lose atmosphere, but does reserved seating in the Anfield kop or Old Traffords Stretford end have no atmosphere?
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I understand the trouble in the south stand was due to someone leaving their seat and others then went and sat in them.
This is happening all the time in the south stand, basically we has a family cannot go down to the concourse together, thus I have spoken to Gavin about this on a couple of occasions. (Loss of revenue at half time and also before game because we go to the seats about 45-60mins before kick off)
The only way to resolve is to go back to reserved seating as per the other stands!
I know many will immediately come on here saying no way, saying south stand will lose atmosphere, but does reserved seating in the Anfield kop or Old Traffords Stretford end have no atmosphere?
The entire Stretford end and Kop stand up. That's why.
Don't fix something that's not broken. South stand is way better since the move to unreserved
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An update, and good news, the head of security has contacted me and I’m pleased to say the club are taking this very seriously. The people involved will be banned and dealt with by the club appropriately and quickly.
The disappointment is that South Yorkshire police haven’t been in touch with the club about this and we were only aware due to this forum (they do look at it) and the contact I made with the club this morning. They have contacted SYP to liaise & share all the info with them (I was able to provide some details but SYP have more names/video/witnesses/details of victims & their injuries etc) so I hope SYP do their job and deal with it appropriately, quickly and harshly.
Unfortunately DRFC can only give out banning orders etc.. but the police can obviously go further. I hope they get what they deserve.
Having spoken to people within the club I’m very much encouraged that we will do the right thing concerning both the perpetrators and the victims - we will be contacting Exeter city to ask about the victims and apologise on the clubs behalf. I would love it if this made a difference but I’m pessimistic in that every club has its scumbags, and we have our share. The only way to try to change things is by letting the club, police or even this forum know whenever you see something like I had the misfortune to be a part of on Saturday. Let’s kick the b*st*rds out of our club!! :boxing: :boxing: :byebye: :byebye:
Regarding the apology to the injured Exeter supporters.
I’ve not seen any of the incident footage.
Were they innocent lads in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Or were they in a pre arranged spot waiting for a bit of fisticuffs?
If they were up for it then they are not victims.
I’ve previously mentioned that the lad that I had seen near car park 3 had reacted to a phone message and was clearly up for the scrap.
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No, very much unprovoked on 2 young lads who were chased to the car park before the attack. They didn’t even fight back, and were trying to talk their way out of it saying they don’t want any trouble. They were walking away from trouble but they were pursued. I didn’t even realise they were Exeter fans as they were both smartly dressed and not in any teams colours. Wrong time, wrong place, just walking back to the train station with a couple of young girls from Exeter they met on the train up to Donny.
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JD.
I haven’t seen it myself & it would be wrong of me to speculate. I’m not aware of any pre arranged fights being mentioned.
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We were on the opposite side of the road from the idiot who was ranting in car park 3, he ran in there through the first gap to the car park - I didn’t hear what he was shouting, but a short time earlier, he was the one with his hands all over the sole policeman at the entrance to car park 2, and was the ringleader of the main attack. He’s either on some form of chemicals or psychotic, of both! A complete head case who ran away like a schoolgirl when we chased them away.
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I still can’t get why we call this hooliganism when outside of football, it’s assault, abh or gbh with proper custodial sentences. Sticking it into hooliganism seems to be something that’s tolerated and to accept its normal behaviour. It isn’t and should carry the same weight. In fact given ghst it’s pre meditated it should have a much sterner form of punishment. Nothing will change unless these sub humans realise there are sever consequences to their actions.
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I still can’t get why we call this hooliganism when outside of football, it’s assault, abh or gbh with proper custodial sentences. Sticking it into hooliganism seems to be something that’s tolerated and to accept its normal behaviour. It isn’t and should carry the same weight. In fact given ghst it’s pre meditated it should have a much sterner form of punishment. Nothing will change unless these sub humans realise there are sever consequences to their actions.
I agree DVR. According to the people I spoke to at the club the main protagonist is already banned and probably wasn’t actually at the match - must have been hanging around afterwards to assault anyone id’d as Exeter fans! It’s not football hooliganism, it’s GBH committed by cowardly thugs who run away if they’re not backed up by 10 or 12 others. As was said earlier, they probably won’t be chasing Cardiff or Rotherham fans when they come to town.
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An update, and good news, the head of security has contacted me and I’m pleased to say the club are taking this very seriously. The people involved will be banned and dealt with by the club appropriately and quickly.
The disappointment is that South Yorkshire police haven’t been in touch with the club about this and we were only aware due to this forum (they do look at it) and the contact I made with the club this morning. They have contacted SYP to liaise & share all the info with them (I was able to provide some details but SYP have more names/video/witnesses/details of victims & their injuries etc) so I hope SYP do their job and deal with it appropriately, quickly and harshly.
Unfortunately DRFC can only give out banning orders etc.. but the police can obviously go further. I hope they get what they deserve.
Having spoken to people within the club I’m very much encouraged that we will do the right thing concerning both the perpetrators and the victims - we will be contacting Exeter city to ask about the victims and apologise on the clubs behalf. I would love it if this made a difference but I’m pessimistic in that every club has its scumbags, and we have our share. The only way to try to change things is by letting the club, police or even this forum know whenever you see something like I had the misfortune to be a part of on Saturday. Let’s kick the b*st*rds out of our club!! :boxing: :boxing: :byebye: :byebye:
Regarding the apology to the injured Exeter supporters.
I’ve not seen any of the incident footage.
Were they innocent lads in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Or were they in a pre arranged spot waiting for a bit of fisticuffs?
If they were up for it then they are not victims.
I’ve previously mentioned that the lad that I had seen near car park 3 had reacted to a phone message and was clearly up for the scrap.
Even if they were in a pre arranged fight situation, ten on to two is a lot cowardly and not very fair.
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I understand the trouble in the south stand was due to someone leaving their seat and others then went and sat in them.
This is happening all the time in the south stand, basically we has a family cannot go down to the concourse together, thus I have spoken to Gavin about this on a couple of occasions. (Loss of revenue at half time and also before game because we go to the seats about 45-60mins before kick off)
The only way to resolve is to go back to reserved seating as per the other stands!
I know many will immediately come on here saying no way, saying south stand will lose atmosphere, but does reserved seating in the Anfield kop or Old Traffords Stretford end have no atmosphere?
Unreserved seating is exactly that. On your feel, lose your seat. It is the nature of the beast.
I’ve said for a year or so now that the SS should go back to reserved seating. Increased revenue, the regulars can sit where they want/singers can still sit together, increased capacity for increased atmosphere etc etc
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I understand the trouble in the south stand was due to someone leaving their seat and others then went and sat in them.
This is happening all the time in the south stand, basically we has a family cannot go down to the concourse together, thus I have spoken to Gavin about this on a couple of occasions. (Loss of revenue at half time and also before game because we go to the seats about 45-60mins before kick off)
The only way to resolve is to go back to reserved seating as per the other stands!
I know many will immediately come on here saying no way, saying south stand will lose atmosphere, but does reserved seating in the Anfield kop or Old Traffords Stretford end have no atmosphere?
Unreserved seating is exactly that. On your feel, lose your seat. It is the nature of the beast.
I’ve said for a year or so now that the SS should go back to reserved seating. Increased revenue, the regulars can sit where they want/singers can still sit together, increased capacity for increased atmosphere etc etc
When you buy a ticket in the South Stand, whether you're a Season member or not, everyone's equal. It's about the we not the me.
With fluctuating attendances, if we were to go back to reserved seating, how can all the singers sit/stand together?
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I understand the trouble in the south stand was due to someone leaving their seat and others then went and sat in them.
This is happening all the time in the south stand, basically we has a family cannot go down to the concourse together, thus I have spoken to Gavin about this on a couple of occasions. (Loss of revenue at half time and also before game because we go to the seats about 45-60mins before kick off)
The only way to resolve is to go back to reserved seating as per the other stands!
I know many will immediately come on here saying no way, saying south stand will lose atmosphere, but does reserved seating in the Anfield kop or Old Traffords Stretford end have no atmosphere?
Unreserved seating is exactly that. On your feel, lose your seat. It is the nature of the beast.
I’ve said for a year or so now that the SS should go back to reserved seating. Increased revenue, the regulars can sit where they want/singers can still sit together, increased capacity for increased atmosphere etc etc
When you buy a ticket in the South Stand, whether you're a Season member or not, everyone's equal. It's about the we not the me.
With fluctuating attendances, if we were to go back to reserved seating, how can all the singers sit/stand together?
I think everyone by now has found their ideal spot. Singers middle top and those who sit middle to bottom.
I'd be happy going back to reserved seating now we've got our own little like minded group.
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I understand the trouble in the south stand was due to someone leaving their seat and others then went and sat in them.
This is happening all the time in the south stand, basically we has a family cannot go down to the concourse together, thus I have spoken to Gavin about this on a couple of occasions. (Loss of revenue at half time and also before game because we go to the seats about 45-60mins before kick off)
The only way to resolve is to go back to reserved seating as per the other stands!
I know many will immediately come on here saying no way, saying south stand will lose atmosphere, but does reserved seating in the Anfield kop or Old Traffords Stretford end have no atmosphere?
Unreserved seating is exactly that. On your feel, lose your seat. It is the nature of the beast.
I’ve said for a year or so now that the SS should go back to reserved seating. Increased revenue, the regulars can sit where they want/singers can still sit together, increased capacity for increased atmosphere etc etc
When you buy a ticket in the South Stand, whether you're a Season member or not, everyone's equal. It's about the we not the me.
With fluctuating attendances, if we were to go back to reserved seating, how can all the singers sit/stand together?
I think everyone by now has found their ideal spot. Singers middle top and those who sit middle to bottom.
I'd be happy going back to reserved seating now we've got our own little like minded group.
Agreed Nudga, almost all of the regulars migrate to the same seats every week.
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Surely could be handled better than grown ups fighting over seats.
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We can relate this to DRFC and expect them to play their part, but violence of this sort is a societal problem and it is the police that should be on the front line. Reading most of what has been said you might wonder whether law-breaking around football was regarded as entirely the responsibilty of clubs rather than a police matter. And of course the law-abiding majority of fans are not slow in feeling that their club is implicated when in fact people like these don’t need a football match as an excuse.
I’m not sure that the principle that those who put on sporting and entertainment events should have to pay for a police presence is reasonable when individuals looking for fights and to commit acts of vandalism simply use the event as a justification. It seems no different for the violent and unsocial behaviour that is regularly depicted on TV outside late night entertainment venues, venues that (as far as I know) do not have to bear the cost of such policing.
The police have a difficult job and are probably underfunded, but behaviour has certainly deteriorated frighteningly since policy has more or less reduced their presence on the streets completely. It is ironic that there was never any trouble in the 40s and 50s yet then there were always policemen in and around the ground.
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It's not just atmosphere it's great for. I have a season ticket however a lot of people I know who go don't. Some pay on the day some have multi games. Go back to reserved some won't come. For a lot it's not just being able to stand/sit. It's being able to be with a large group or simply other people you wouldn't be able to if it was reserved.
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It's not just atmosphere it's great for. I have a season ticket however a lot of people I know who go don't. Some pay on the day some have multi games. Go back to reserved some won't come. For a lot it's not just being able to stand/sit. It's being able to be with a large group or simply other people you wouldn't be able to if it was reserved.
I don’t agree, the south stand is better if filled with those attending most games, not just those who choose to attend odd games.
Not sure on actual numbers but guess the number of season tickets in the SS is already quite high.
If those that want to sit in a large group they need to purchase a season ticket.
Purchasing a season ticket year on year should give an advantage over those who do not attend every game.
So on this basis your view doesn’t stack up.
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It's not just atmosphere it's great for. I have a season ticket however a lot of people I know who go don't. Some pay on the day some have multi games. Go back to reserved some won't come. For a lot it's not just being able to stand/sit. It's being able to be with a large group or simply other people you wouldn't be able to if it was reserved.
Yes, there's all sorts of benefits, pros and cons.
Just in my group when others have wanted to come with us, only to find they couldn't get a seat anywhere near us, they didn't bother.
We went down the unreserved route to address bringing singers together instead of having separate groups here and there all with a view to recreating the better togetherness experienced at away matches, so creating the conditions that are more condusive for encouraging fans to sing and feel they could stand, without fear of being told to sit down etc, Being somewhere where you can feel it's OK to be spontaneous and boisterous adds up the overall objective of being heard and getting behind the team.
There was alot of thought and research that went into setting it up in the first place with fans visiting other clubs for example. Taking ideas from clubs like Borrussia Dortmund who made us realise how much planning goes into making things look spontaneous, with banners, Flags, Tifos, songs etc.
There's no reason why things shouldn't be reviewed from time to time, but this should be done by the fans, for the fans with the support of the club. The Black Bank who have promoted the brand and gone a long way to improving the atmosphere need to be involved, along with all South Stand fans regular or occasional.
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It's not just atmosphere it's great for. I have a season ticket however a lot of people I know who go don't. Some pay on the day some have multi games. Go back to reserved some won't come. For a lot it's not just being able to stand/sit. It's being able to be with a large group or simply other people you wouldn't be able to if it was reserved.
I don’t agree, the south stand is better if filled with those attending most games, not just those who choose to attend odd games.
Not sure on actual numbers but guess the number of season tickets in the SS is already quite high.
If those that want to sit in a large group they need to purchase a season ticket.
Purchasing a season ticket year on year should give an advantage over those who do not attend every game.
So on this basis your view doesn’t stack up.
It's not just atmosphere it's great for. I have a season ticket however a lot of people I know who go don't. Some pay on the day some have multi games. Go back to reserved some won't come. For a lot it's not just being able to stand/sit. It's being able to be with a large group or simply other people you wouldn't be able to if it was reserved.
I don’t agree, the south stand is better if filled with those attending most games, not just those who choose to attend odd games.
Not sure on actual numbers but guess the number of season tickets in the SS is already quite high.
If those that want to sit in a large group they need to purchase a season ticket.
Purchasing a season ticket year on year should give an advantage over those who do not attend every game.
So on this basis your view doesn’t stack up.
There are many reasons why people can't attend every game so it's not practical to buy a season ticket for a reserved seat. So, stripping the privilege of 'owning' a specific seat, gives everyone equal access to preferred areas where you can choose to either sit for the majority of the game or sit instead. You can move, do both if you wish. It provides more flexibility For those who it means more to have a specific seat, week in week out, there's other stands where you can exercise that preference.
Just a recent example for one aspect of this. Last seasons cup game v Palace. The drummer had to move because of the TV camera which resulted in there being a split in the groups of singers. Some stayed centrally and others moved to be near the drummer. The singing wasn't quite as in unison as normal.
Obviously, there's more to it than that but everyone's entitled to express their views on what's desirable and practical.
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Only my opinion but I think going back to reserved seating will dampen the atmosphere because people who want to sing and also stand won’t be able to mass together. Someone mentioned the Kop and the Stretford end , that neither is un reserved seating. This is true, but it’s also true that the atmosphere in both these stands are generally poor. The people who complain about the atmosphere in these particular stands say that is down to the fact that they can’t sit with their friends and they are split up and diluted by “day trippers” who don’t sing or add to the atmosphere. I feel reserved seating in the south stand will create this exact effect. If anyone is interested there’s a video on you tube called “ where’s our famous atmosphere “ it’s a half hour documentary talking about the lack of atmosphere at old Trafford and some of the reasons.
Personally I think half the south stand being safe standing/terracing would be the way forward with reserved seats in the front for those who’d prefer. Again just my opinion.
And as for the cowards who assaulted the Exeter fans, I hope they get banned for life.
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Headline in Free Press
Teen in hospital with serious injuries as violence mars first Doncaster Rovers match
Emergency services were called to Stadium Way outside the club’s Eco Power Stadium on Saturday night shortly after Rovers’ 1-0 win over Exeter City in their opening fixture of the League One campaign.
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Only my opinion but I think going back to reserved seating will dampen the atmosphere because people who want to sing and also stand won’t be able to mass together. Someone mentioned the Kop and the Stretford end , that neither is un reserved seating. This is true, but it’s also true that the atmosphere in both these stands are generally poor. The people who complain about the atmosphere in these particular stands say that is down to the fact that they can’t sit with their friends and they are split up and diluted by “day trippers” who don’t sing or add to the atmosphere. I feel reserved seating in the south stand will create this exact effect. If anyone is interested there’s a video on you tube called “ where’s our famous atmosphere “ it’s a half hour documentary talking about the lack of atmosphere at old Trafford and some of the reasons.
Personally I think half the south stand being safe standing/terracing would be the way forward with reserved seats in the front for those who’d prefer. Again just my opinion.
And as for the cowards who assaulted the Exeter fans, I hope they get banned for life.
Pleased you mentioned about the sanitising of the Kop and other clubs feeling the day trippers are giving an adverse effect. It was something I was going on to say.
Without safe standing this is the next best thing we could do whilst staying within the remit of the safety advisory group.
Everton have been wrestling with similar issues with their move to the new ground, some groups being split up over price and seats being set aside for day trippers etc.They feel the atmospheres of old are going to be sanitised somewhat.
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If it was put to a vote 90% would want unreserved. If you want reserved go to another stand.
Fortunately this forum represents 1% if that
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Headline in Free Press
Teen in hospital with serious injuries as violence mars first Doncaster Rovers match
Emergency services were called to Stadium Way outside the club’s Eco Power Stadium on Saturday night shortly after Rovers’ 1-0 win over Exeter City in their opening fixture of the League One campaign.
I hope he makes a full physical recovery but I’m sure mentally he’ll be scarred for a long time. I hope this means SYP come down on the scum that did it like a ton of bricks. They deserve nothing less than a good stretch locked up but however long it is won’t be enough!
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Imagine the fear of those two young boys being chased/cornered into a place where they knew something horrible, no matter how they pleaded, was going to happen to them.
As their parents you would never want your boys to be in that situation, be it at a football game or in a shopping precinct.
As a parent I know the length’s I & other parents go to in order to protect our children from bullying, be that via social media, out of school/college both mentally & physically.
Yes, we have to let our ‘children’ (be they 13 or 33) find their ‘own way’ in the world but, have the days gone (in this case in particular) when we can no longer trust them to be ‘protected’ by those that are employed to do exactly that ‘job’ in our absence to fulfill that responsibility?
Yes I hope those thugs who carried out this cowardly attack are brought to ‘justice’ (25 hours community service no doubt) but the authorities, i.e. the police on duty on that day need (in my opinion) to be brought to task.
They won’t be.
So let us then, as parents & good citizens who all happen to follow the same football club Doncaster Rovers, pledge to do our utmost as a group or individuals, wherever & whenever we encounter this fermenting, vile behaviour ‘gathering’ we spotlight it by reporting to Matchday Marshalls, police, video it, confront it (without putting loved ones we are with in jeopardy) & in doing so say..’NO. NOT HERE, NOT AT MY CLUB, YOU DO NOT BELONG!”.
Let’s all ‘step up’.
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Imagine the fear of those two young boys being chased/cornered into a place where they knew something horrible, no matter how they pleaded, was going to happen to them.
As their parents you would never want your boys to be in that situation, be it at a football game or in a shopping precinct.
As a parent I know the length’s I & other parents go to in order to protect our children from bullying, be that via social media, out of school/college both mentally & physically.
Yes, we have to let our ‘children’ (be they 13 or 33) find their ‘own way’ in the world but, have the days gone (in this case in particular) when we can no longer trust them to be ‘protected’ by those that are employed to do exactly that ‘job’ in our absence to fulfill that responsibility?
Yes I hope those thugs who carried out this cowardly attack are brought to ‘justice’ (25 hours community service no doubt) but the authorities, i.e. the police on duty on that day need (in my opinion) to be brought to task.
They won’t be.
So let us then, as parents & good citizens who all happen to follow the same football club Doncaster Rovers, pledge to do our utmost as a group or individuals, wherever & whenever we encounter this fermenting, vile behaviour ‘gathering’ we spotlight it by reporting to Matchday Marshalls, police, video it, confront it (without putting loved ones we are with in jeopardy) & in doing so say..’NO. NOT HERE, NOT AT MY CLUB, YOU DO NOT BELONG!”.
Let’s all ‘step up’.
Absolutely!! :that: :that: :that:
They’re basically cowards who are nothing without their gang. If enough people stand up against them they’ll run away like the little rats they are! :police:
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I understand the trouble in the south stand was due to someone leaving their seat and others then went and sat in them.
This is happening all the time in the south stand, basically we has a family cannot go down to the concourse together, thus I have spoken to Gavin about this on a couple of occasions. (Loss of revenue at half time and also before game because we go to the seats about 45-60mins before kick off)
The only way to resolve is to go back to reserved seating as per the other stands!
I know many will immediately come on here saying no way, saying south stand will lose atmosphere, but does reserved seating in the Anfield kop or Old Traffords Stretford end have no atmosphere?
We have a family stand for a reason (east). Unreserved was one of the best things they did in the south. 99% of the time there is no issue. Bigger issue is even trying to get served at half time.
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Shades of Oldham in the early 60s . Each set of fans sought revenge for the hammering they had in a previous away fixture
It was futile then and futile now but I am sure our discussions on here will be read and understood by the vast majority of the Exeter fans
However they too may have a "mad element" who dont read their Forum and / or dont care what the vast majority of our Fans think and be ready for action
I really hope they are not , as I for one remember the bad old days when it was unwise to even wear a Scarf in support of your Team and believe me plus SS , BB ,TT Idler Goole Rover etc etc none of you would really like to go back to those days
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You took your life in your hands in the 70's when you went to any league match. I remember Blades and Grimsby running absolutely wild at BV. And who can ever forget those televised scenes at Luton in 1985 when Millwall arrived for an FA Cup match? Downright scary. So you're right DW. Nobody wants those days back.
BobG
PS I went to The Den once. 1978. I have refused to go to any match involving Millwall since. The violence / intimidation was so bad that day that Bobby Robson said " turn the flamethrower on the bas**rds," meaning Millwall fans.
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I went to Millwall in 2008, hammered them and won 3-0. Not even a whiff of trouble.
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Im guessing that you are too young to have seen first hand the violence of the late sixties and throughout the seventies IDM.
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I was certainly aware of it in the later 70s, and definitely early 80s. I was careful.!
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I would suggest a good start and to set an example would be for threats of violence in any form not be used to settle argument/debate/disputes on here.
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I understand the trouble in the south stand was due to someone leaving their seat and others then went and sat in them.
This is happening all the time in the south stand, basically we has a family cannot go down to the concourse together, thus I have spoken to Gavin about this on a couple of occasions. (Loss of revenue at half time and also before game because we go to the seats about 45-60mins before kick off)
The only way to resolve is to go back to reserved seating as per the other stands!
I know many will immediately come on here saying no way, saying south stand will lose atmosphere, but does reserved seating in the Anfield kop or Old Traffords Stretford end have no atmosphere?
We have a family stand for a reason (east). Unreserved was one of the best things they did in the south. 99% of the time there is no issue. Bigger issue is even trying to get served at half time.
We are a family of adults, no kids.
99% indicates trouble in less than one game, there were multiple games last season when trouble occurred in the south stand. Also arguments around seating occur regularly.
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Shades of Oldham in the early 60s . Each set of fans sought revenge for the hammering they had in a previous away fixture
It was futile then and futile now but I am sure our discussions on here will be read and understood by the vast majority of the Exeter fans
However they too may have a "mad element" who dont read their Forum and / or dont care what the vast majority of our Fans think and be ready for action
I really hope they are not , as I for one remember the bad old days when it was unwise to even wear a Scarf in support of your Team and believe me plus SS , BB ,TT Idler Goole Rover etc etc none of you would really like to go back to those days
What about Luton 1970 my old mate.
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I once told off 2 fellas that were consistently effing and jeffing because it was unnecessary and I had a young grandson with me, they told me to eff off into the family stand.
The family stand is good for the concourse pre match and half time entertainment and the Donny dog club, but surely the south stand isn’t just for adults only?
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I will make a prediction about the atmosphere, if we lose four home games on the run, which i hope never happens that will dampen the atmosphere more tan any fight in the stands.
And in answer to why there was less violence in the 1950's and early sixties, there was a million men walking the streets who were trained to kill, had seen in most cases men killed, and in many cases had killed men themselves and had seen more violence than we can imagine.
It would have steadied a lot up when meeting strangers, as you could be meeting an ex commando who would beat the living daylights out of you, and 90% of the police on the beat were not college boys steeped in woke teachings but those very men in most cases sergeants used to making very quick decisions about what was the situation around them and reacted accordingly , usually with a truncheon.
As a youngster in Askern they frightened you to death, just the words from parents Bobby Saville or Fitchet will come here to sort you out used to stop any misconduct, now they wave the human rights telephone contact number.
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I once told off 2 fellas that were consistently effing and jeffing because it was unnecessary and I had a young grandson with me, they told me to eff off into the family stand.
The family stand is good for the concourse pre match and half time entertainment and the Donny dog club, but surely the south stand isn’t just for adults only?
To be honest, if I was taking a primary school age child to football, I’d use the family stand.
My previous work manager is/was a Peterborough fan. Took his lad then aged 12/13 with him, letting him know that he would hear bad language, and maybe even use it himself. Made a rule that he wasn’t allowed to repeat it anywhere else, particularly at home. As far as I can tell, it worked.
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My grandson will be familiar with foul language but at times it’s not necessary in different environments and I’m a season ticket holder in the south stand, so I’m not going to be bullied into the family stand when I’m encouraging my grandson to come to watch the rovers.
I was polite and civil when I spoke to the two potty mouths and I think that they were embarrassed as well as being ignorant and rude.
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The club needs its own dedicated Police FLO. Never going to happen with current levels of pol or staffing around the country. A dedicated officer would know who these are and working with the club would ensure an immediate club home ban.
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The club needs its own dedicated Police FLO. Never going to happen with current levels of pol or staffing around the country. A dedicated officer would know who these are and working with the club would ensure an immediate club home ban.
They pretty much do. We share ours with Barnsley as a general rule.
Could be different these days but that’s generally how it’s done.
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I went to Millwall in 2008, hammered them and won 3-0. Not even a whiff of trouble.
I know they are only a stones throw away from each other but the new den compared to the old den and world's away from each other that old den just intimidated you walking upto it you were just expecting something to happen and 9/10 times it did the new den is just totally different and same as you've already said I've been a couple of times and never had any bother couldn't fault their fans at all
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The New Den has (had.?) a caged walkway linking the away stand to South Bermondsey station. However there is no segregation on the platforms. That day I went, I think I the home fans were just stunned by how we had blown them away on the pitch. Might had been different if it was a closer game and they had lost due to a bad ref decision.
I’m not the sort to go looking for trouble either.
I remember that abandoned game at Charlton, when away fans were going back to the station. A local bobby was getting dogs abuse from some of our lot for simply directing folks to the platform on the station. Then some of our less mature fans were goading Charlton fans from the safety of the platforms being separated by railway lines..
It’s pointless.
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If as reported the main protagonist in this situation has not been at the game and the offence was made in an area not in the immediate area of the ground policed by stewards, then in my mind although the club are implicated by association and it is not a good look it is a matter for the police who it looks like never recognised a situation could occur.
I have seen at many local derby's and certain teams like Grimsby fans being escorted from the ground to town, and heavy policing of certain road junctions.
Perhaps with the bigger away followings expected this season , especially some of the larger clubs involved the police should be more in evidence between the town and the stadium. and a designated route for away fans only close to the ground.
Just observing local games against
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Selby, the trouble and harassment of these two fans started at the west/north corner of the perimeter and was viewed by fans who do not post on here.
So without any doubt, within the stadium perimeter prior to exiting onto the main road.
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My grandson will be familiar with foul language but at times it’s not necessary in different environments and I’m a season ticket holder in the south stand, so I’m not going to be bullied into the family stand when I’m encouraging my grandson to come to watch the rovers.
I was polite and civil when I spoke to the two potty mouths and I think that they were embarrassed as well as being ignorant and rude.
No one would expect you to be 'bullied' into moving into the family stand just because you have kids, but at the same time, you shouldn't expect people to not use foul language because there are kids around them just because you have chosen not to sit in a stand where you wouldn't come across that. It works both ways.
We've been taking our young kids to the football since they were babies, they have heard all sorts of language, they know not to repeat it. We don't sit in the family stand now, but we did for a couple of seasons and that is the only place I would pull people up if I thought their language was out of order around kids.
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Yes, my grandson has heard all of the obscenities, the effing and jeffing was aimed at our own players that they didn’t think that were worthy of wearing a rovers shirt, also suggesting our players breaking an opponent’s legs.
The aggression was vile. Should it be acceptable in the South stand?
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When I was younger you never swore in front of ladies or children full stop. If you did swear and saw a lady in earshot you apologised immediately.
There was far less swearing in films and on tv in those days. I think that the first time that the f word was used on tv was on TW3 about 1965. Personally I prefer not to sit near somebody who screams obscenities at the top of their voice for 90 minutes.
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JimmyDee poses the question…
Is it acceptable for fans to scream vile obscenities in the south stand? Especially in the presence of kids.
I’m interested to hear what people think.
Perhaps people who think it’s unacceptable to scream for a rovers player to break the legs of an opponent are just ‘woke’?
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Or perhaps they're not?
BobG
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You’re only offended if you choose to be.
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JimmyDee poses the question…
Is it acceptable for fans to scream vile obscenities in the south stand? Especially in the presence of kids.
I’m interested to hear what people think.
Perhaps people who think it’s unacceptable to scream for a rovers player to break the legs of an opponent are just ‘woke’?
Why is this conversation focusing on the south stand the same thing can be heard in every stand at the KM and at every English ground. Not sure why south is being singled out
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I don’t hear much where I sit in the West Stand to be fair.
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I never ever heard my dad use bad language. I’m now 64 , suppose that generation were made of different material . He was know shrinking violet either, born and bred in Hyde park
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My daughter turns 5 tomorrow and I’ll be bringing her to her first rovers game at some point soon. I have season tickets in the south stand so I’ll be bringing in there albeit I’ll move away from the central area
The family stand is great for pre match stuff and face painting but dire for any kind of atmosphere
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JimmyDee poses the question…
Is it acceptable for fans to scream vile obscenities in the south stand? Especially in the presence of kids.
I’m interested to hear what people think.
Perhaps people who think it’s unacceptable to scream for a rovers player to break the legs of an opponent are just ‘woke’?
I've never really understood why foul language is so accepted at football matches. My late Dad would always turn and say there were enough words in the English (or any other) language without resorting to foul language. Different times now but still applies. Football is for everyone so why should we accept it? I confess I put up with most things but some words are just totally unacceptable to me and I will always pull people up if I hear it.
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The kids don't hear anything different to what they hear in the school playground. It's part of growing up. As long as they don't use it in front of me then I am ok with it. If I hear them swearing in front of me they get told not to do it.
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Who's the silly Billy in the black?
The referee's a rather annoying fellow.
Get your lanyard out for the lads.
Rotherhams a rabbit hole, I want to go home.
Whooooo the chuffin eck are you.
Poo ground, no fans
You're gonna get your silly head custard pie'd in.
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Whilst I only knew my Dad for 10years of my life I never heard anything worse than bloody or bugger as an expletive and he was a pit man! And that was 60 odd years ago.
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Whilst I only knew my Dad for 10years of my life I never heard anything worse than bloody or bugger as an expletive and he was a pit man! And that was 60 odd years ago.
Same. I remember hearing my dad say bas**rd once when I was about 18 and I was shocked to the core.
8 years today since he passed away too, so that thought has made me smile.
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Yeah, teachers and parents never used bad language in front of kids in the 1950s.
They just beat the crap out of them instead.
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Theres a distinct line I f and jeff like a trooper ( ok I was in the Army for 12+ years) when I'm with the lads so to speak. However with strangers socially and even at football its a no no, yes it is easily moderated. Kids, strangers, ladies Nah
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Yeah, teachers and parents never used bad language in front of kids in the 1950s.
They just beat the crap out of them instead.
My Dad served four years in Burma, his mate told me that he never heard him swear during the time that they were out there. He never laid a finger on me.
Looking at previous posts you seem to be getting a bit of a battering old boy.
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Yeah, teachers and parents never used bad language in front of kids in the 1950s.
They just beat the crap out of them instead.
My Dad served four years in Burma, his mate told me that he never heard him swear during the time that they were out there. He never laid a finger on me.
Looking at previous posts you seem to be getting a bit of a battering old boy.
Likewise my wifes Dad. After Burmha, which he would very rarely talk about, he went back to the pit. He never laid a finger on either of his kids and the worst I heard him come out with was flippin/floppin eck
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Yeah, teachers and parents never used bad language in front of kids in the 1950s.
They just beat the crap out of them instead.
My Dad served four years in Burma, his mate told me that he never heard him swear during the time that they were out there. He never laid a finger on me.
Looking at previous posts you seem to be getting a bit of a battering old boy.
"Seem" is in the present tense, GR. I'm talking about the past, and yes, I did get more than a bit of a battering, as did lots of kids. Some of the teachers in those days were sadistic psychopaths, and would have been in prison nowadays.
As regards dads, many of you on here don't know you're born, with dads that never laid a finger on you, and in many cases took you to football and other events.
To be honest, most of my mates also had lovely dads, which is why I spent most of my time at their houses, and left home at 17.
It's also the reason that I live for my grandkids, making sure they get all the things that I never had, and that no-one hurts them.
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Which schools did you go to SS?
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I went to Hatfield HS and got some good hidings from the teachers in the 80’s. Being picked up by the hairs on your neck was particular favourite of the science teacher.
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It’s an interesting one, swearing at the football. It is the only time I ever swear in public. I don’t sing along to ‘sweary’ songs, or in banter, but I do in heat of the moment situations. Going to watch the Rovers has always been a release for me, and I think it must be getting so involved and engrossed in what’s happening on the pitch that when I do swear (it could be a ‘get f**king in’ or ‘for f**k’s sake ref’) it just comes out.
I don’t condone my behaviour, nor am I ashamed or embarrassed by it. It’s just a part of my experience watching my team.
Football, eh?
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When I was younger you never swore in front of ladies or children full stop. If you did swear and saw a lady in earshot you apologised immediately.
There was far less swearing in films and on tv in those days. I think that the first time that the f word was used on tv was on TW3 about 1965. Personally I prefer not to sit near somebody who screams obscenities at the top of their voice for 90 minutes.
So you think woman arn't worthy enough to hear a swear word? Are they inclusive for men only?
Behave Rastaman you sound like a dinosaur
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When I was younger you never swore in front of ladies or children full stop. If you did swear and saw a lady in earshot you apologised immediately.
There was far less swearing in films and on tv in those days. I think that the first time that the f word was used on tv was on TW3 about 1965. Personally I prefer not to sit near somebody who screams obscenities at the top of their voice for 90 minutes.
So you think woman arn't worthy enough to hear a swear word? Are they inclusive for men only?
Behave Rastaman you sound like a dinosaur
Perhaps I was just lucky to be brought up when standards were higher and people had more respect for others.
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Which schools did you go to SS?
Jossey Lane Juniors, Bentley High Street for one year, then Percy Jackson Grammar School.
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Did Percy point you in the right direction Steve?
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When I was younger you never swore in front of ladies or children full stop. If you did swear and saw a lady in earshot you apologised immediately.
There was far less swearing in films and on tv in those days. I think that the first time that the f word was used on tv was on TW3 about 1965. Personally I prefer not to sit near somebody who screams obscenities at the top of their voice for 90 minutes.
So you think woman arn't worthy enough to hear a swear word? Are they inclusive for men only?
Behave Rastaman you sound like a dinosaur
Perhaps I was just lucky to be brought up when standards were higher and people had more respect for others.
You wasn’t talking about others you were singling out women specifically.
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Which schools did you go to SS?
Jossey Lane Juniors, Bentley High Street for one year, then Percy Jackson Grammar School.
Aaah Jossey Lane Juniors, very fond memories. Same year as Jimmy Golze and Steve Wagstaffe, Kevin Johnson the year below. Gundry Shield final 1963 lost to Richmond Hill Sprotty 6-0, guess who was goalie!!
Cricket final lost by 6 runs, seems to be a theme about 6
3rd year, Mick Bradbury getting the ruler on his backside, the only time I remember such a thing.
Never heard of anyone getting the stick at Don Valley HS
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I am 50 this year and I was also brought up in the same way, never in your home, never in earshot of women, and apologise if they do overhear it.
Times have definitely changed, my much younger brothers and sisters do occasionally swear infront of my parents and it still angers me now.
I do swear in the heat of the moment and at football, but rarely outside of that. I don’t like to hear swearing in every other word which seems common place now.
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Which schools did you go to SS?
Jossey Lane Juniors, Bentley High Street for one year, then Percy Jackson Grammar School.
Aaah Jossey Lane Juniors, very fond memories. Same year as Jimmy Golze and Steve Wagstaffe, Kevin Johnson the year below. Gundry Shield final 1963 lost to Richmond Hill Sprotty 6-0, guess who was goalie!!
Cricket final lost by 6 runs, seems to be a theme about 6
3rd year, Mick Bradbury getting the ruler on his backside, the only time I remember such a thing.
Never heard of anyone getting the stick at Don Valley HS
Steve Wagstaffe and me were big mates at Percy Jacksons.
Fine footballer was Steve. Was gutted when he and his family emigrated tto Oz.
They were back in no time though!
I still see him at Donny races.
Top bloke.
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When I was younger you never swore in front of ladies or children full stop. If you did swear and saw a lady in earshot you apologised immediately.
There was far less swearing in films and on tv in those days. I think that the first time that the f word was used on tv was on TW3 about 1965. Personally I prefer not to sit near somebody who screams obscenities at the top of their voice for 90 minutes.
So you think woman arn't worthy enough to hear a swear word? Are they inclusive for men only?
Behave Rastaman you sound like a dinosaur
Perhaps I was just lucky to be brought up when standards were higher and people had more respect for others.
You wasn’t talking about others you were singling out women specifically.
Alright, add children, older family members and strangers to that list. I don’t’ Understand how anybody can start effing and jeffing straight waway to a stranger without thinking what their standards are.
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I went to see a game against Scunny quite a few years ago now, the idiots were in attendance and caused trouble, that was the last time I will ever attend an away match, because the club does nothing to effect control. If last Saturday is to become a regular occurrence then that will go too. Football has to control these idiots, there is plenty of good surveillance cameras that they could use to prove guilt, start using them properly and kick them out.
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I went to see a game against Scunny quite a few years ago now, the idiots were in attendance and caused trouble, that was the last time I will ever attend an away match, because the club does nothing to effect control. If last Saturday is to become a regular occurrence then that will go too. Football has to control these idiots, there is plenty of good surveillance cameras that they could use to prove guilt, start using them properly and kick them out.
I stern look from PC Paterson is all it used to take at away game , nowadays a baton around their thick sculls would do know harm whatsoever in my opinion to them at all ,No need for it the problem is it's always been around at football but how do you stop in all seriousness
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I went to see a game against Scunny quite a few years ago now, the idiots were in attendance and caused trouble, that was the last time I will ever attend an away match, because the club does nothing to effect control. If last Saturday is to become a regular occurrence then that will go too. Football has to control these idiots, there is plenty of good surveillance cameras that they could use to prove guilt, start using them properly and kick them out.
I stern look from PC Paterson is all it used to take at away game , nowadays a baton around their thick sculls would do know harm whatsoever in my opinion to them at all ,No need for it the problem is it's always been around at football but how do you stop in all seriousness
I can’t remember any violence at football matches until the mid to late 60s. I think it started when groups got together and started chanting and singing in unison. Before that most people stayed in small groups of family and friends.
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Sorry you're wrong there, we always sang in the mid to late 60's as a group. Everything waited for Archie to arrive usually on the Pop terrace to start with
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That is what I was saying raven. The first time I can remember singing at a match was an FA cup replay away at Notts County in 1963. Some Forest fans were stood with us and they were singing poor old Country’s going down and we joined in. We were on Leon coaches that day and gradually the same lads started going together eventually changing to Yorkshire Traction for the atmosphere. By 1964 there were loads going but little if any violence at grounds. Sometimes a bit of pushing and shoving as ends were swapped at half time but nothing like what started happening in the next few years.
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Remember as a young lad in the early fifties the end swapping at half time as stated by idler. Happened at most grounds with no trouble. That era was an enjoyable time.
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Remember going to watch Brighton v rovers when they played at priestfield Gillingham on valentine's day and no segregation at all all fans together,will never happen again in my lifetime and I'm only 52
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Remember as a young lad in the early fifties the end swapping at half time as stated by idler. Happened at most grounds with no trouble. That era was an enjoyable time.
End swapping happened quite a lot in the early to mid sixties too.
I can remember doing it at BV and at several away matches.
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Best one was at Grimsby no walk way around the ground so we all hopped over the wall walked around the side of the pitch and took the home end
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Best one was at Grimsby no walk way around the ground so we all hopped over the wall walked around the side of the pitch and took the home end
I remember it well Raven.
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Remember going to watch Brighton v rovers when they played at priestfield Gillingham on valentine's day and no segregation at all all fans together,will never happen again in my lifetime and I'm only 52
Lewis Dunk could surely orchestrate a reunion don't you think ?
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What schools did you go to Syd?
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It was a good school, must have been coz it was approved.
Thought I'd get that old one in before BB.
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Remember going to watch Brighton v rovers when they played at priestfield Gillingham on valentine's day and no segregation at all all fans together,will never happen again in my lifetime and I'm only 52
'The Heart of Football' Rich. 1998. Bizarrely, it was a hot day too.
BobG