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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Canadian Rover on October 25, 2025, 04:29:19 pm
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"...I've learned in all honesty is that I'm not defined by my mistakes. I'm not defined by what I do on the pitch, either"
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"...I've learned in all honesty is that I'm not defined by my mistakes. I'm not defined by what I do on the pitch, either"
Are not his mistakes on the pitch ?
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"...I've learned in all honesty is that I'm not defined by my mistakes. I'm not defined by what I do on the pitch, either"
Are not his mistakes on the pitch ?
My point exactly, this quote was from this pre game interview on Rovers+
Very little accountability or awareness I'm afraid, similar to his performances this season.
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He just can’t catch can he?
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A Liability
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The bigger concern is that the coaching staff didn’t know he was actually useless when they saw him every day in training in his first spell.
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Isn't it about time we actually signed a decent keeper on a permanent instead of constantly relying on loans?
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Should never have come back. Ajayi useless. Olusanya did well when he came on. Missing Sterry. Not blaming Grehan. Done ok but not a RB.
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Isn't it about time we actually signed a decent keeper on a permanent instead of constantly relying on loans?
I sort of agree with your sentiment but based one what we've had recently loan vs permanent its a tough one. Bigger clubs seem to hoover up that talent so maybe loans are better but then you're constantly re-working everything. Also, this time last year, how many would have said TSL was better than TLT?
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The bigger concern is that the coaching staff didn’t know he was actually useless when they saw him every day in training in his first spell.
Reminds me of Onana a bit shocking technique. When you look back at his first spell he didn't actually have that much to do did he as the rest of the team were that good.
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The bigger concern is that the coaching staff didn’t know he was actually useless when they saw him every day in training in his first spell.
Reminds me of Onana a bit shocking technique. When you look back at his first spell he didn't actually have that much to do did he ask the rest of the team were that good.
He was great when he was called upon though. Just shows you that judging players on 15/20 games just isn’t enough.
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The bigger concern is that the coaching staff didn’t know he was actually useless when they saw him every day in training in his first spell.
He was poor dealing with crosses, especially corners, in his first spell. See goals conceded away at Walsall and home to Barrow.
Yes he made some good saves but otherwise his weaknesses were covered over by a strengthening in defence with Wood's return, improvements in forward areas which meant Rovers were better placed to outscore teams and lower quality League 2 forwards being unable to take advantage.
It would be unfair to say he didn't have an impact on Rovers upturn in form that season partly through those good saves but also due to his confident persona, but I always felt Rovers fans, and it seems management, massively overrated him (some still do) because his signing coincided with that meteoric upturn in form.
I was worried when we signed him in the summer, based on what I saw of him in his prior spell dealing with crosses, though hopeful he might have improved his game since then.
Sadly those hopes were unfounded.
I know Lawlor has his faults and is not the long term answer but he's not made any bad mistakes when he's played this season (I reckon TLT has made at least 9 in his last 5 league games - 7 leading to goals). Lawlor has to play every game until January when it is imperative we sign a competent keeper.
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Out of interest, did their goal take a deflection on the way through? Hard to tell from the camera angle.
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Out of interest, did their goal take a deflection on the way through? Hard to tell from the camera angle.
Nope just basically dived past the ball
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No it did not, he had full view of it all the way, and as he did with all other shots today, he dived and tried to make a worldy from a simple stop and was extremely lucky the other shots didn’t go in. Awful today, he has cost us points again.
He isn’t better than TSL and only the blind, ignorant and stubborn will not and did not last season admit it.
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No excuses for the mistakes TLT has made this season and today's looks about the worst of the lot but as I seem to remember his signing for this season was widely hailed by most on this forum as being a terrific decision. Strange how many naysayers there seem to be now all of a sudden.
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It would look like a deflection has to have occurred for him to dive that way, and the ball end up the other.
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Out of interest, did their goal take a deflection on the way through? Hard to tell from the camera angle.
I mean TLT did say to Grant that it did take a deflection according to his interview.
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He should have saved the shot that lead to the goal but he did make some good saves before , watched it on TV and had away commentary on an they said he made a very good save ,Molly should have scored as well
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Lawler to play cup game, retains his place v Lincoln..
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He just can’t catch can he?
This is something which I noticed today, is that he seems to be trying to block shots as opposed to saving them with his is hands/body.
One really good example in first half, where quite a strong shot was heading full on to where he was positioned, but one would presume that having his body in direct path of the shot, he would collect it, however he went to block it as opposed to catching it. This seemed like a strange decision but luckily our guys got the ball away.
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He did make a great save in the first half. Looked like it was going in the bottom corner and he saved it with his top hand after it bounced. Look in all the way.
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He did make a great save in the first half. Looked like it was going in the bottom corner and he saved it with his top hand after it bounced. Look in all the way.
it was a very good save it took a wicked bounce
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Lawler to play cup game, retains his place v Lincoln..
Barnsley before Lincoln at home
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I think folk are being a bit harsh on TLT.
He’s the best of the 2 keepers we have & we need to strengthen at the other end of the pitch as a priority.
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I think folk are being a bit harsh on TLT.
He’s the best of the 2 keepers we have & we need to strengthen at the other end of the pitch as a priority.
Really? Neither of them are brilliant, but how many howlers has Lawlor done, amounting to lost points, in comparison to TLT?
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I believe TLT is 22, 8 years younger than Lawlor?
He is still learning his trade & will improve. I would stick with him. Like i said, we need to spend money in the striker dept in my opinion.
TSL was poor when he first came but got better with game time. Im one of the minority who prefers TLT to TSL.
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It's never as clear cut as folk suggest when comparing keepers who have different strengths and weaknesses. Plus like any other player and sportsmen, confidence plays a big part.
Many were going in too hard too early on TSL last season and now being harsh on TLT. Yes, mistakes are made but the reality of the matter is he's the better keeper we have at our disposal at the moment.
Hard to tell how much influence the goalkeeping coaches have, but I for one thought they must have worked well with TSL last season so, no reason to believe they're not working just as hard with TLT. He has alot of good assets to work with although in this spell, he seems more jittery than in the last, so it must come down to confidence rather than pure competence.
The goal yesterday reminded me of the long range strike at Mansfield where he seemed to get his body shape into a muddle and couldn't adjust however, we have to look at the free run their player was given to get into that shooting position.
Middleton? gave up on the player after going to close him down instead of busting a gut to get back goal side. Looked like possibly Broadbent and Close? both got sucked in leaving space in behind for the player to run into.
Prevention is always better than cure but yes, TLT should have done better. On another day, he'll keep us in the match.
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On another day? He kept us in the game up to their goal?
TLT is the better keeper as things stand. We have a much more pressing issue up the top end of the pitch, imho.
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I like TLT, but I am worried our view on him was skewed by the fact we had had some seriously poor keepers until he came in that season, and it naturally looked/felt way better than it probably was, such was the shear lack of quality we had.
He is good enough at this level, he just needs to stop with the theatrical.
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On another day? He kept us in the game up to their goal?
TLT is the better keeper as things stand. We have a much more pressing issue up the top end of the pitch, imho.
Spot on..
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TSL is a good deal younger than TLT and the latter will have had the benefit of the Hull City coaches for some time now. What he will have lacked there has been league match experience. In comparison, TSL, with the additional top notch grounding of schooling in the Chelsea academy and match experience with us, will naturally have been more responsive to coaching.
What worries me about TLT is that he does not appear to capture the ball safely and I refer to the conventional clasping it to the chest and then dropping to the ground, looking round to make sure that there are no attackers lurking, and only then getting up and distributing it. TLT seems almost hyperactive with the ball when he does catch it, quite often with arms outstretched making it insecure. There is an upside to this desire for speed in that his long throws are a very useful way of starting a breakaway attack before the opposition have reorganised, but that should not be the default.
Lawlor is conventional and unlikely to let in soft goals, but he is not as athletic as he once was and his slower reactions lead to the impression that any well directed shots are unsaveable.
TLT’s individual strengths might well be capable of being shaped advantageously. The defence is effective enough to ensure that he does not have too much to deal with but the current rate of blunders is unsustainable.
In contemplating remedies, there seems no hesitation in pointing criticism at the manager, but perhaps we should not assume that our GK and set-piece coaches have no part in our shortcomings in those two crucial departments.
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TSL is a good deal younger than TLT and the latter will have had the benefit of the Hull City coaches for some time now. What he will have lacked there has been league match experience. In comparison, TSL, with the additional top notch grounding of schooling in the Chelsea academy and match experience with us, will naturally have been more responsive to coaching.
What worries me about TLT is that he does not appear to capture the ball safely and I refer to the conventional clasping it to the chest and then dropping to the ground, looking round to make sure that there are no attackers lurking, and only then getting up and distributing it. TLT seems almost hyperactive with the ball when he does catch it, quite often with arms outstretched making it insecure. There is an upside to this desire for speed in that his long throws are a very useful way of starting a breakaway attack before the opposition have reorganised, but that should not be the default.
Lawlor is conventional and unlikely to let in soft goals, but he is not as athletic as he once was and his slower reactions lead to the impression that any well directed shots are unsaveable.
TLT’s individual strengths might well be capable of being shaped advantageously. The defence is effective enough to ensure that he does not have too much to deal with but the current rate of blunders is unsustainable.
In contemplating remedies, there seems no hesitation in pointing criticism at the manager, but perhaps we should not assume that our GK and set-piece coaches have no part in our shortcomings in those two crucial departments.
45 days younger, not that much.
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I believe TLT is 22, 8 years younger than Lawlor?
He is still learning his trade & will improve. I would stick with him. Like i said, we need to spend money in the striker dept in my opinion.
TSL was poor when he first came but got better with game time. Im one of the minority who prefers TLT to TSL.
Yes it’s a good point that he is still only 22 probably we forget this sometimes. Plus he has not really had that much game time in the EFL todate, so still learning.
I believe he still has the potential to be a very good keeper, we may have to accept he will make some mistakes during his development, just need to minimise these, because it’s clear he does make some very good saves which will keep us in games. I would be highly surprised if Kyle isn’t working closely with him and we will see a reduction in mistakes, more inline with what you could normally expect from a 22 year old with minimal competitive games at this level.
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On another day? He kept us in the game up to their goal?
TLT is the better keeper as things stand. We have a much more pressing issue up the top end of the pitch, imho.
Only going off the extended highlights, but they were all saves you’d expect him to make.
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I believe TLT is 22, 8 years younger than Lawlor?
He is still learning his trade & will improve. I would stick with him. Like i said, we need to spend money in the striker dept in my opinion.
TSL was poor when he first came but got better with game time. Im one of the minority who prefers TLT to TSL.
Yes it’s a good point that he is still only 22 probably we forget this sometimes. Plus he has not really had that much game time in the EFL todate, so still learning.
I believe he still has the potential to be a very good keeper, we may have to accept he will make some mistakes during his development, just need to minimise these, because it’s clear he does make some very good saves which will keep us in games. I would be highly surprised if Kyle isn’t working closely with him and we will see a reduction in mistakes, more inline with what you could normally expect from a 22 year old with minimal competitive games at this level.
I must say that I hadn't checked, although this time last year TSL was a year (and 45 days!) younger than TLT is now. So to refine my comments, I'm not so sure that the quality of TSL's coaching would be much better than TLT's since both were brought up in the academies of PL clubs. There is also a height advantage though which I don't think I need to check, do I?
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TLT is a better keeper than Lawlor, according to our goalkeeping coach, somebody who's judgement I would trust. This why he plays, on Saturday, he potentially made an error and it cost us a goal, but what about the two saves in the first half which kept us in the game? He is a decent goalie and does not deserve the stick that some on here would load on his shoulders, count up the saves and the mistakes, the saves will outnumber the mistakes at the end of the season.
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TSL not going down too well at Bolton, so I’d be very careful about what you wish for!
The problem we have with a permanent keeper is the same problem we have with a good striker - they don’t come cheap. We’re stuck with the present system until someone decides enough is enough and we push the boat out and get a cheque signed. Until that happens, we have to put up with the situation we find ourselves in.
It’s not ideal, but I think in the short term, it’s fine - trouble is - we had this same problem when RW was here and that’s going back a few seasons.
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The trouble is TLT's mistakes seem to have been mostly absolute howlers, flapping at a ball he should have caught comfortably for example.
This suggests inability to maintain focus and concentration for a whole game albeit interspersed with some brilliant saves. Keepers are supposed to make brilliant saves but they are not supposed to give points away inexcusably week after week. This must affect team morale so badly too and for me he is just not up to the job at present.
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I’d add to that……but he’s the best option we currently have!
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TSL not going down too well at Bolton, so I’d be very careful about what you wish for!
The problem we have with a permanent keeper is the same problem we have with a good striker - they don’t come cheap. We’re stuck with the present system until someone decides enough is enough and we push the boat out and get a cheque signed. Until that happens, we have to put up with the situation we find ourselves in.
It’s not ideal, but I think in the short term, it’s fine - trouble is - we had this same problem when RW was here and that’s going back a few seasons.
It would be interesting to know how many first choice keepers in Lge 1 & 2 are loan keepers & how many are contracted to their clubs.
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I can remember a time when Grant used to say he didn't care how many we concede because we will score more. Why only beat up TLT for our bad results? Shouldn't we be doing more at the front to capitalise on our missed opportunities?
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He’s made howlers but missing a sitter is just as bad. It’s cost a goal.
Goalkeeping is a tough position that’s for sure.
The issue is that his confidence does appear low especially on crosses and as others have said this must rub off on the team.
He needs a run of safe, solid games.
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TLT is a better keeper than Lawlor, according to our goalkeeping coach, somebody who's judgement I would trust. This why he plays, on Saturday, he potentially made an error and it cost us a goal, but what about the two saves in the first half which kept us in the game? He is a decent goalie and does not deserve the stick that some on here would load on his shoulders, count up the saves and the mistakes, the saves will outnumber the mistakes at the end of the season.
If you're talking about Kyle Letheren, then I agree with you. However, did you trust his judgement when he advised GM to replace him with Lawlor a few weeks ago?
Also, could you point me to when Kyle said that TLT is better than Lawlor, because I must have missed that.
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TSL not going down too well at Bolton, so I’d be very careful about what you wish for!
The problem we have with a permanent keeper is the same problem we have with a good striker - they don’t come cheap. We’re stuck with the present system until someone decides enough is enough and we push the boat out and get a cheque signed. Until that happens, we have to put up with the situation we find ourselves in.
It’s not ideal, but I think in the short term, it’s fine - trouble is - we had this same problem when RW was here and that’s going back a few seasons.
It would be interesting to know how many first choice keepers in Lge 1 & 2 are loan keepers & how many are contracted to their clubs.
In the last round of Lge1 games 16 starting goalkeepers were contracted to their clubs & only 8 were loan keepers.
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TSL not going down too well at Bolton, so I’d be very careful about what you wish for!
The problem we have with a permanent keeper is the same problem we have with a good striker - they don’t come cheap. We’re stuck with the present system until someone decides enough is enough and we push the boat out and get a cheque signed. Until that happens, we have to put up with the situation we find ourselves in.
It’s not ideal, but I think in the short term, it’s fine - trouble is - we had this same problem when RW was here and that’s going back a few seasons.
It would be interesting to know how many first choice keepers in Lge 1 & 2 are loan keepers & how many are contracted to their clubs.
In the last round of Lge1 games 16 starting goalkeepers were contracted to their clubs & only 8 were loan keepers.
Interesting info BR
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We have to remember he sat most of last season on hulls bench it cannot be easy from not playing all season to be expected to be ready to perform at a high standard
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We have to remember he sat most of last season on hulls bench it cannot be easy from not playing all season to be expected to be ready to perform at a high standard
So if he's not ready to perform at a high standard, why did we sign him?
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Unfortunately his mistakes have contributed to Rovers conceding 7 goals in his last 5 league appearances and it would have been 9 goals in those 5 games but for 2 goal line clearances.
No side in a competitive league can afford to risk continuing to select a player who has consistently made so many unforced errors leading to goals against - regardless of his talent, personality, past performances or potential.
If Rovers continue to play him through the rest of the season then relegation becomes a certainty regardless of who is signed to play up front in January.
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I can remember a time when Grant used to say he didn't care how many we concede because we will score more. Why only beat up TLT for our bad results? Shouldn't we be doing more at the front to capitalise on our missed opportunities?
And also how many defenders can be questiioned who allowed the Reading player to get the shot in?
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I can remember a time when Grant used to say he didn't care how many we concede because we will score more. Why only beat up TLT for our bad results? Shouldn't we be doing more at the front to capitalise on our missed opportunities?
And also how many defenders can be questiioned who allowed the Reading player to get the shot in?
Yes, I agree with that; but are those defenders making costly errors week after week?
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I can remember a time when Grant used to say he didn't care how many we concede because we will score more. Why only beat up TLT for our bad results? Shouldn't we be doing more at the front to capitalise on our missed opportunities?
And also how many defenders can be questiioned who allowed the Reading player to get the shot in?
Yes, I agree with that; but are those defenders making costly errors week after week?
Yes they are, but when they make errors they can be covered by other players or a goalkeeper! If a goalie makes one error it can be impossible for it to be recovered by others, it is definitely incredibly difficult.