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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: Filo on November 15, 2025, 04:57:25 pm
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
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Leaking at the back and not scoring enough always a bad recipe.
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We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.
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TLT - slow to release always puts me on edge.
Hanlan - great finish, strong aswell.should have started after midweek.
McGrath - seems a shadow of last season.
Middleton- Scottish premier league calibre and on the bench, came on and improved us.
Molyneux - still great but always smothered by defenders. Does best he can
Billy - needs support upfront , lack of pace.does his best
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Long-term problem is lack of striker/goals. Short term problem today was our two centre backs. First goal no coordination between them, second goal no conviction from either.
But I don't think its a crisis yet, it's not like we are a million miles off. We missed some guilt edges chances today. Hanlan to be fair took his goal very well. I'd give him a start next game.
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We miss gilt edged chances week in week out. Every week we see posts that say ‘another day and that goes in and we win that’ or similar. We are desperate for an improvement in finishing our chances.
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Mccann will sort it, we are better in the last few weeks, no doubt about it. Still mid table finish I think, the same as what I thought at the beginning of the season.
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As a side note..we are improving, mid table is still achievable, 3 points at Stevenage.
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On another day those chances go in and we would have won that.
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Jan is big but we weren’t bad v a good Barnsley and could have won that game if we take out chances today sounded like we competed against a really good team.
I think it’s a mini crisis and Grant can help himself by picking Hanlan from the start. We need more legs up there to raise the game of the whole team. That or play Billy with a partner
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Crisis? Results aren't great but actually we played well last week and this. Yes we need some results and there's things to improve but we're not rubbish.
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Saw this issue in attack coming in the summer when Billy signed his deal and no one wanted to hear it.
https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=294403.msg1395935;topicseen#msg1395935
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On another day those chances go in and we would have won that.
They missed two absolute sitters and had a soft one disallowed
Bailey, Broadbent, Clifton, Mols, Gibson and Sharp were our front 6 last season. The fact we’ve not brought anyone in to improve on these lads is the issue.
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On another day those chances go in and we would have won that.
Bear in mind the chances & disallowed goal Lincoln had though.
On another day they could have had 4.
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First time since 97/98 we have lost there in the league. Was 2-1 then as well.
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I don’t think it’s a crisis. A crisis is evident when players aren’t trying and all hope is lost. I don’t think we are at that point.
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On another day those chances go in and we would have won that.
Bear in mind the chances & disallowed goal Lincoln had though.
On another day they could have had 4.
I agree, I was just paraphrasing Monkeytennis's post for comic effect.
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.
Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.
Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…
9 without a win in a results business is a crisis, you can have all the chances in the world but if you don’t score it’s a crisis
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9 league games without a win is very disappointing, game after game we get the chances and can’t put them away, today we were given clear cut chances and still can’t put them away, we look disjointed, same tactics week after week 1 up front isn’t working, can’t pass the ball and we certainly can’t tackle, very worrying times.
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It’s certainly looking like we’re in a pickle ! That said the last 2 Januarys Grants made some very good signings or maybe just god dam lucky signings, thoughts ?
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Filo mate, 97/98 was a crisis, this is a very shit run
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Its like people just want to forget that we shaded possession, had double the amount of shots they had and even had more on target, more passess and better passing accuracy, i know its goals and wins that matter but i would be a hell of a lot more concerned if we were getting overwhelmed and completely outplayed
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We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.
I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.
Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in league 1.
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We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.
I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.
Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in league 1.
Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?
It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.
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TBF - I was with a few Lincoln lads and they were mighty relieved when the whistle went - said we were amongst the better teams they had played this season.
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TBF - I was with a few Lincoln lads and they were mighty relieved when the whistle went - said we were amongst the better teams they had played this season.
Unfortunatly we have a fanbase who think we are and were shit.
Lincoln have every right to feel relieved today, thought we played better then the majority of the wins at the start of the season.
Just need to start turning it into wins, which i have faith we will
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Billy has been over used, because the manager doesn’t seem to believe in the other strikers he signed. Hanlan has looked good recently, it may be time to start him in a few. We lack a bit of creativity in the midfield and we’re not keeping clean sheets, a few things to sort out.
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Hanlan played well today when he came on and gave their centre backs a hard time...
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
We put our priorities in a P.A. System instead of investing a proven goal scorer .. I rest my case ..
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Thought overall we played ok today, their first goal was just poor positioning by the centre half's and we should have been closer to the striker, the second goal was a pure fluke, TLT saves and the rebound was too quick for Gotts to get out of the way or control.
Our build up play though sporadic was good in parts and we created good chances, obviously the results are not going our way just now but the performances are there and our luck will change.
Hanlon took his goal very well and was strong, we need to look to get him more game time and i would be looking to replace BS with him, he needs games and will improve with them, BS had a clear cut chance and should have scored' he was very isolated up top and can't cover on his own due to his lack of pace, so the position is not optimal for his game. I think he's more suited to coming on later at stretched defences.
Just need to keep our nerve until we an get recruits in Jan but i can't see any reason for GM to change the setup just now, performances are there, our luck will change.
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I get fed up with seeing the stats appear with shots compared with on target, it is usually at least 6:1, and recently we have been struggling to produce even 6 shots!
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There is lots we could do but realistically there are two signings we need to make - a central striker and another option at right wing.
We could potentially make Hanlan the right wing option, so it might just need the central striker.
For a set up that relies so much on the wingers, not having another option to Molyneux that’s a bit different, is a problem. Ajayi looked very good at the start of the season but is not at the races now for whatever reason.
Probably best all round if Westbrooke, Ajayi, Lasagne and perhaps potentially Crew move on in January.
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There is lots we could do but realistically there are two signings we need to make - a central striker and another option at right wing.
We could potentially make Hanlan the right wing option, so it might just need the central striker.
For a set up that relies so much on the wingers, not having another option to Molyneux that’s a bit different, is a problem. Ajayi looked very good at the start of the season but is not at the races now for whatever reason.
Probably best all round if Westbrooke, Ajayi, Lasagne and perhaps potentially Crew move on in January.
Middleton can play right wing. That would suit this system more (as Grant usually has wide players coming from out to in) because he is left footed.
I would then get a focal point striker who can get us up the pitch and a quick left sided right-footed player who are both goal threats. That was the template of the ten-in-a-row team.
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We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.
I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.
Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in league 1.
Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?
It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.
Steve, even though we have an average midtable budget, think GB stated that, Grant seemed happy with it, & maybe thought, or still does, he could push these players to be better than the sum of their parts. I still think he would have done with better recruitment, we all know the problem lies with the signings of Ajayi, Olusanya, & lack of a striker who can complement how we play, a run behind Street type.
So for me it comes down to Lee Glover, it's like he's gone with forward players with pace, & nothing else. It HAS to be better. I really believe Hanlan is improving, but he's never going to bring you 15/20 a season.
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We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.
I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.
Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in league 1.
Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?
It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.
Steve, even though we have an average midtable budget, think GB stated that, Grant seemed happy with it, & maybe thought, or still does, he could push these players to be better than the sum of their parts. I still think he would have done with better recruitment, we all know the problem lies with the signings of Ajayi, Olusanya, & lack of a striker who can complement how we play, a run behind Street type.
So for me it comes down to Lee Glover, it's like he's gone with forward players with pace, & nothing else. It HAS to be better. I really believe Hanlan is improving, but he's never going to bring you 15/20 a season.
Truth is Les, how many strikers get 15/20 goals a season throughout the EFL? Not many at all.
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There is lots we could do but realistically there are two signings we need to make - a central striker and another option at right wing.
We could potentially make Hanlan the right wing option, so it might just need the central striker.
For a set up that relies so much on the wingers, not having another option to Molyneux that’s a bit different, is a problem. Ajayi looked very good at the start of the season but is not at the races now for whatever reason.
Probably best all round if Westbrooke, Ajayi, Lasagne and perhaps potentially Crew move on in January.
We badly need some legs and muscle in CM for me.
We’re too slow, neat and tidy. We need some quality in there.
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Time for Crew to step up and show the player he's supposed to be.
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Time for Crew to step up and show the player he's supposed to be.
Hard when he’s going off to the arse end of Europe every fortnight
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Time for Crew to step up and show the player he's supposed to be.
Hard when he’s going off to the arse end of Europe every fortnight
Is it though? Or is that another excuse that Sean Dyche, I mean McCann has touted and becomes the narrative? Yes he misses games periodically by how would that have affected him against Barnsley if he had played last week?
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Time for Crew to step up and show the player he's supposed to be.
Hard when he’s going off to the arse end of Europe every fortnight
Is it though? Or is that another excuse that Sean Dyche, I mean McCann has touted and becomes the narrative? Yes he misses games periodically by how would that have affected him against Barnsley if he had played last week?
It’s either Broadbent or Crewe in this team and I can’t see him dropping George again. Bailey and Clifton are different players that carry out a different role.
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Some need to calm down a bit, we played ok for long spells today and against Barnsley, we have enough quality to stay up, and be clear of relegation in my opinion.
We also need to recognise Lincoln are a seasoned league one team in excellent form, and we managed to make them feel very uncomfortable toward the end.
The team needs some work, look at Lincoln, every one of them were tall fast, powerful and just about on the right side of aggressive.
In comparison we lack pace throughout and we have a few small players. We are really struggling in left and right back areas with pace and quality. I’m not convinced in the midfield yet either.
A word on TLT, he has begun to look slightly better and he did well under pressure from some great crosses.
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No crisis for me,yes we are on a bad run but the last 2 games are up the with the best we have played all season including the games we won early doors,last two games not been much in it all against 2 decent teams
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.
Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…
It really wasn't an unlucky winner.
The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.
If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.
Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone
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In fairness some of the best teams in the world are struggling with long throws at the moment. It looks so easy to defend but it just creates moments like that. We could have scored from a similar one
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Believe
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
We put our priorities in a P.A. System instead of investing a proven goal scorer .. I rest my case ..
Having a functioning PA system is a fundamental requirement if you're going to get a safety certificate. I'm astonished that we weren't pulled up for this earlier.
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
We put our priorities in a P.A. System instead of investing a proven goal scorer .. I rest my case ..
Having a functioning PA system is a fundamental requirement if you're going to get a safety certificate. I'm astonished that we weren't pulled up for this earlier.
I think the emergency system and the PA system were/are two different systems. Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.
Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…
It really wasn't an unlucky winner.
The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.
If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.
Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone
Of course it was unlucky, Jesus wept!
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.
Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…
It really wasn't an unlucky winner.
The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.
If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.
Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone
So TLT saving it and it hitting Gotts before he got time to realise isn't unlucky? Okay BST...
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
We put our priorities in a P.A. System instead of investing a proven goal scorer .. I rest my case ..
Having a functioning PA system is a fundamental requirement if you're going to get a safety certificate. I'm astonished that we weren't pulled up for this earlier.
I think the emergency system and the PA system were/are two different systems. Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.
Could be. I don't know the details of how the Rovers' system works. To be fair, my professional knowledge is 30 years old and back in those days, the PA system WAS the emergency Comms system
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.
Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…
It really wasn't an unlucky winner.
The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.
If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.
Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone
So TLT saving it and it hitting Gotts before he got time to realise isn't unlucky? Okay BST...
The point is, if you f**k up yourself, you can't complain if you have a bad break
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
We put our priorities in a P.A. System instead of investing a proven goal scorer .. I rest my case ..
Having a functioning PA system is a fundamental requirement if you're going to get a safety certificate. I'm astonished that we weren't pulled up for this earlier.
P.A. Rubbish how much did that cost against not getting to the championship . our priorities are to compete at this supposed higher level and we aren’t … competing!!
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.
Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…
It really wasn't an unlucky winner.
The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.
If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.
Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone
Of course it was unlucky, Jesus wept!
Of course it was.
He is just throwing a grenade in to stir things up for a bit of mischief.
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.
Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…
It really wasn't an unlucky winner.
The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.
If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.
Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone
Of course it was unlucky, Jesus wept!
Of course it was.
He is just throwing a grenade in to stir things up for a bit of mischief.
I agree with BST, it was abysmal defending from the throw. We can’t complain about the ricochet off Gotts. There was misfortune in the final outcome but there were plenty of other outcomes to that passage of play where there man scores. Certainly can’t complain about it.
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Where is the next win coming from? I just can’t see it, we are way to sloppy in possession and not quick enough going forward, we must have the highest starting s for going backward in possession
It really isn’t, Jesus wept our fans are laughable.
Sharp, Hanlan, ORiordan and Bailey all missed great opportunities and we get beat by an unlucky deflected own goal…
It really wasn't an unlucky winner.
The ball dropped to the ground 10 yards out. Our defenders were being outmuscled and one of them flung a boot at the ball and gave it to an unmarked striker six yards out.
If you get in that situation, you've lost the right to bemoan luck for what happens next.
Edit. Just seen the highlights. It was Pearson heading the ball right into the danger zone
Of course it was unlucky, Jesus wept!
Of course it was.
He is just throwing a grenade in to stir things up for a bit of mischief.
I agree with BST, it was abysmal defending from the throw. We can’t complain about the ricochet off Gotts. There was misfortune in the final outcome but there were plenty of other outcomes to that passage of play where there man scores. Certainly can’t complain about it.
I also agree that the defending could have been better but it WAS unlucky the way the ball ended up in our net.
You said yourself there was misfortune involved.
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It can be both bad defending and unlucky.
The ball could’ve gone anywhere after it was saved to suggest what happened isn’t unlucky is nonsense.
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To late and could have still stopped what happened after the throw but I feel he took it at least 10 yards down line from where it went out..
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We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.
I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.
Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in league 1.
Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?
It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.
Steve, even though we have an average midtable budget, think GB stated that, Grant seemed happy with it, & maybe thought, or still does, he could push these players to be better than the sum of their parts. I still think he would have done with better recruitment, we all know the problem lies with the signings of Ajayi, Olusanya, & lack of a striker who can complement how we play, a run behind Street type.
So for me it comes down to Lee Glover, it's like he's gone with forward players with pace, & nothing else. It HAS to be better. I really believe Hanlan is improving, but he's never going to bring you 15/20 a season.
Truth is Les, how many strikers get 15/20 goals a season throughout the EFL? Not many at all.
We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.
I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.
Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in league 1.
Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?
It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.
Steve, even though we have an average midtable budget, think GB stated that, Grant seemed happy with it, & maybe thought, or still does, he could push these players to be better than the sum of their parts. I still think he would have done with better recruitment, we all know the problem lies with the signings of Ajayi, Olusanya, & lack of a striker who can complement how we play, a run behind Street type.
So for me it comes down to Lee Glover, it's like he's gone with forward players with pace, & nothing else. It HAS to be better. I really believe Hanlan is improving, but he's never going to bring you 15/20 a season.
Truth is Les, how many strikers get 15/20 goals a season throughout the EFL? Not many at all.
We've got 6 weeks to put together a recruitment strategy ready for January otherwise we'll be playing in League Two next season.
I'm hoping it's already in place. This season was always going to be tough, after the start we had & the talk of promotion, manager included, we were setting ourselves up for a fall.
Fact is, although the effort & endeavour is there, we are what we are, a below average league 1 side. We're trying to run before we can walk, hopefully plans are in place for January to sign 2 or 3 to help keep us in this league, then recruit again, only better this time, in the summer. Not writing the season off by any means, but as long as we keep a bit perspective & keep adding & progressing steadily with the current squad, we'll be fine. Rome wasn't built in a day & all that. Priority from now on in is to make sure we win enough games to stay in league 1.
Les, what makes you think we can recruit better in the summer? More money from Terry? Lee Glover waking his ideas up?
It's certainly been poor up till now, in a season that's turning out to be a disappointment.
Steve, even though we have an average midtable budget, think GB stated that, Grant seemed happy with it, & maybe thought, or still does, he could push these players to be better than the sum of their parts. I still think he would have done with better recruitment, we all know the problem lies with the signings of Ajayi, Olusanya, & lack of a striker who can complement how we play, a run behind Street type.
So for me it comes down to Lee Glover, it's like he's gone with forward players with pace, & nothing else. It HAS to be better. I really believe Hanlan is improving, but he's never going to bring you 15/20 a season.
Truth is Les, how many strikers get 15/20 goals a season throughout the EFL? Not many at all.
Very true, maybe asking too much, but, if we are to make an impact, & are serious to match the ambition of our manager, we have to sign, & no disrespect to who we currently have, a player who can replace Street's goals from last season.
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Do we need someone better than Street, bearing in mind we're in a division higher now than when Street was prolific in goalscoring for us?
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Been saying it for weeks that Hanlan needs a run. Sharp isn’t good enough to be a L1 starter. He was a sub impact player in L2 so I’m not sure what we are expecting playing him week in week out in the division above.
Hanlan touch and finish was brilliant. He needs to start. We need someone with pace who can make run and stretch teams a bit.
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Change the formation and play Hanlan and Sharp.
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Strikers with a 1 in 2 ratio are indeed hard to find, yet we've had one in 5 of the last 9 seasons.
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Strikers with a 1 in 2 ratio are indeed hard to find, yet we've had one in 5 of the last 9 seasons.
I’m not sure we quite have, Steve. Street last season, Adelakun (although not with as many as 10-15 goals) the year before and Marquis back when we won League Two makes 3.
Marquis under McCann and Ironside were both a shade under 1 in 2, plus Adelakun was the same season as Ironside so not sure which the fifth season you’re referring to would be.
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I can’t see where the next point is coming from, let alone the next win.
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Strikers with a 1 in 2 ratio are indeed hard to find, yet we've had one in 5 of the last 9 seasons.
I’m not sure we quite have, Steve. Street last season, Adelakun (although not with as many as 10-15 goals) the year before and Marquis back when we won League Two makes 3.
Marquis under McCann and Ironside were both a shade under 1 in 2, plus Adelakun was the same season as Ironside so not sure which the fifth season you’re referring to would be.
OK, so my maths is slightly out with a couple of them. 1 in 2.5 or there abouts is still pretty prolific.
My point is that the strikers are there if the recruitment team can spot them.
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Change the formation and play Hanlan and Sharp.
Why does Sharp need shoe-horning in?
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Some need to calm down a bit, we played ok for long spells today and against Barnsley, we have enough quality to stay up, and be clear of relegation in my opinion.
We also need to recognise Lincoln are a seasoned league one team in excellent form, and we managed to make them feel very uncomfortable toward the end.
The team needs some work, look at Lincoln, every one of them were tall fast, powerful and just about on the right side of aggressive.
In comparison we lack pace throughout and we have a few small players. We are really struggling in left and right back areas with pace and quality. I’m not convinced in the midfield yet either.
A word on TLT, he has begun to look slightly better and he did well under pressure from some great crosses.
I agree and lets not forget people are rightly pointing out the huge chances we missed which "could" have changed the game
However ( forgive me if Ive missed it ) no mention that the easiest chance of the match fell to them a completely gaping goal , wide open needing just a sidefoot from 18 yards .... which they missed for 2 0
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It’s a terrible run but it will turn. We are more than in games and losing by the odd goal to teams with a bit more quality than us. Anyone that didn’t expect this season to be a scrap had their head in the clouds. The primary objective was to stay up. We will do that
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We can't play with only 4 in midfield to play 2 strikers. Not got the 2 CMs to do that
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We can't play with only 4 in midfield to play 2 strikers. Not got the 2 CMs to do that
I get your concern BUT we wont score enough goals to stay up with one striker, let alone challenge for play offs.
Hows about the old fashioned 4-4-2?
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We had enough chances again to win the match. three easy ones from within 10yards of the goal line and near central of the of the goal, and dallied enough on another that they had time to get a defender on the goal line.
At the other end we gave two really poor goals away and were cut open straight down the middle that resulted in probably the worst finish of the season. The second goal just the result of not being strong enough physically.
We are and have been poor in both penalty areas all this season up to press and were for the first half of last season.
We need at least two S**T house defenders and start to take chances at the other end.
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No crisis just the wrong end of the fine lines at the moment.
As others have said, we need belief more than knee jerk decisions . We need refining more than rebuilding.
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We had enough chances again to win the match. three easy ones from within 10yards of the goal line and near central of the of the goal, and dallied enough on another that they had time to get a defender on the goal line.
At the other end we gave two really poor goals away and were cut open straight down the middle that resulted in probably the worst finish of the season. The second goal just the result of not being strong enough physically.
We are and have been poor in both penalty areas all this season up to press and were for the first half of last season.
We need at least two S**T house defenders and start to take chances at the other end.
What’s Pearson of he’s not a shit house defender?
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I can’t see where the next point is coming from, let alone the next win.
Stevenage away next Saturday.
No way are Lincoln 17 places & 10 points better than us. I honestly believe that if we hadn’t had the stuffing knocked out of us after conceding just one minute after a great equaliser, we’d have gone on to win that game.
It’s fine margins. Yes Street’s goal should have stood, but Billy should have buried his chance when he rounded the keeper after their defender made a Rick & Moly set him up. Bails had a chance late on as he slid & stretched his leg to reach the ball but was an inch from making a clean contact.
I know Lincoln had other chances too (Pearson had a mare of a game & got bullied pillar to post by their No.9) but we were definitely in the ascendancy 2nd half & matched their physicality with slick passing movements & a player who looked Championship material on the day in Molyneaux.
We’re not a bad side. We are well capable of competing in this division but yes, a front man in the Rob Street mould wouldn’t come amiss in January.
Slim margins.
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We can't play with only 4 in midfield to play 2 strikers. Not got the 2 CMs to do that
Lincoln play the same system and two midfield players.
Draper played behind Collins is a striker/forward then Street and Okoronokwo are forwards.
We haven’t got that player to play behind the striker. We play Clifton or Gotts who graft but haven’t got the skill set.
We are where we are because this is a league that you must defend well and take your chances.
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Gaz, a slow s********e defender as the Huddersfield supporters pointed out when we signed him. In some cases I think that's what we do, we sign names without looking at the big picture of will they fit in, and what are they capable of.
And the club they come from is one of their big advantages and draw us to them.
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Gaz, a slow s********e defender as the Huddersfield supporters pointed out when we signed him.
He’s always been slow. Even when he was doing well in the Champ. Like Anderson, Wood and others who couldn’t run but were fine.
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My summary and belief is that Grant will sort this so-called crisis, and with the support of GB and TB we will become strong.So I spare myself and others the pain of introspective anxiety .
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McCann asking the players to believe saying they are playing with the handbrake on and will be replaced in Jan if they don’t improve.
Why doesn’t he take some responsibility for the squad he’s built and contracts he’s handed out?
How many are proven decent L1 players who aren’t on the decline? Not many at all.
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Gaz, if you look back at my posts early and before the season we are just about where I thought we would be in this division before a ball was kicked in anger, in fact I think I posted if we finish mid table it would be a good season.
Now I have read many times players you and others have put forward to the club as worth signing, you especially some very good propositions if followed up, and statistical records to prove their ability.
WE need as a club to get better at identification of players, and as a team we need to be more adaptable to situations.
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Gaz, if you look back at my posts early and before the season we are just about where I thought we would be in this division before a ball was kicked in anger, in fact I think I posted if we finish mid table it would be a good season.
Now I have read many times players you and others have put forward to the club as worth signing, you especially some very good propositions if followed up, and statistical records to prove their ability.
WE need as a club to get better at identification of players, and as a team we need to be more adaptable to situations.
I agree mate.
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Certainly not a crisis :rolleyes:.
Its a bad run, performances have picked up and the next win isnt far off.
I would suggest that mcann should play more defensively until we have made a couple of good signings in January.
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Some need to calm down a bit, we played ok for long spells today and against Barnsley, we have enough quality to stay up, and be clear of relegation in my opinion.
We also need to recognise Lincoln are a seasoned league one team in excellent form, and we managed to make them feel very uncomfortable toward the end.
The team needs some work, look at Lincoln, every one of them were tall fast, powerful and just about on the right side of aggressive.
In comparison we lack pace throughout and we have a few small players. We are really struggling in left and right back areas with pace and quality. I’m not convinced in the midfield yet either.
A word on TLT, he has begun to look slightly better and he did well under pressure from some great crosses.
I agree and lets not forget people are rightly pointing out the huge chances we missed which "could" have changed the game
However ( forgive me if Ive missed it ) no mention that the easiest chance of the match fell to them a completely gaping goal , wide open needing just a sidefoot from 18 yards .... which they missed for 2 0
That wasn't the easiest chance of the match. It was the easiest chance I have ever seen.
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We can't play with only 4 in midfield to play 2 strikers. Not got the 2 CMs to do that
I get your concern BUT we wont score enough goals to stay up with one striker, let alone challenge for play offs.
Hows about the old fashioned 4-4-2?
Then you're reducing the threat from our better wide players to shoehorn in an extra striker, who would probably offer less than Moly in his best role.
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We can't play with only 4 in midfield to play 2 strikers. Not got the 2 CMs to do that
I get your concern BUT we wont score enough goals to stay up with one striker, let alone challenge for play offs.
Hows about the old fashioned 4-4-2?
Then you're reducing the threat from our better wide players to shoehorn in an extra striker, who would probably offer less than Moly in his best role.
When you are not winning people always want to blame something. Players that are not in the team tend to improve for not playing and the shape is wrong!
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We will need at least three players in January, potentially four. A striker, winger, central midfielder and a centre half who can organise a bit but has a bit left in his legs.
Billy still has the ability just not getting the service. I think once we get one win we will go on a run.
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We will need at least three players in January, potentially four. A striker, winger, central midfielder and a centre half who can organise a bit but has a bit left in his legs.
Billy still has the ability just not getting the service. I think once we get one win we will go on a run.
Can’t sign three centre halves in the summer then ask for another in January!
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We will need at least three players in January, potentially four. A striker, winger, central midfielder and a centre half who can organise a bit but has a bit left in his legs.
Billy still has the ability just not getting the service. I think once we get one win we will go on a run.
He can’t make the best of crosses in to the box because of his size nor can he make the best of balls in behind because he’s got no pace whatsoever, but it’s the people supplying him that are the problem?
He also now misses a fair few chances he would have buried in years gone by.
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I watched Billy carefully on Saturday and for all his running and chasing he actually got onto very little. The chance he did get in the first half, he took too long over and then managed to hit it directly at the defender on the line. Hanlan did more in his 30 minute spell than Billy did in the first hour. I think Billy would make more of an impact coming on as a sub for the last 20-25 minutes when defenders have already expended some energy..
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Billy is best suited to coming on later in games when we are pushing for an equalizer/winner, when we are having a high amount of possession in the final third and a high number of box entries. Arm wrestling on the half way line or chasing on transition isn't for hm.