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Viking Chat => Viking Chat => Topic started by: selby on November 16, 2025, 03:53:46 pm
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Another game against a side who have not won for three games although just two points behind top of the division who we can do our usual trick of getting them back on track after a sticky patch.
At the moment we are rock bottom of the form league picking up just two points from our last six league games so realistically they should be looking at us as fair game to get the points.
Their league position looks to be built on their home form with 5 wins and a draw and no defeats in six games and with Reid in the list of top scorers in the division they look on the face of it red hot favourites to win the game, and extend our losing run.
As we know football is not that predictable, we have been slightly unlucky, and we can be better than our form is projecting us at the moment.
We are frustrating as a team rarely putting a full game together, probably only against Bradford in the league being on it for the full game, and in many others we have lost in this bad run we, like against Lincoln have dominated periods of games but let ourselves down with poor moments in many of the games missing easy chances or making stupid defensive mistakes.
Rather than tactical a lot can be attributed to individual error, and spread through the team, poor keeping, poor mid field play, and poor finishing costing us and we are not punishing other teams mistakes like they do ours.
The frustrating part is there is no real pattern to it, the mistakes are not really repetitive and must be a nightmare for the manager to try and eradicate.
Well every bad run comes to an end sometime and we have played better the last few games and have deserved something from the games.
We matched Barnsley, Bradford, and Lincoln and could have been looking at three wins if we had cut out silly mistakes and finished better in front of goal.
So I would go along with more or less the same starting line up and try and improve our silly mistakes and we have a chance against most sides in the division. This game is obviously a hard one, but we are capable of getting something from the game if we play to our potential and believe in ourselves.
Lots to discuss, lots to talk about, please have your say.
cut out silly mistakes and finished better
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Rovers are a team that, even if they dominate a game, struggle to score. We definitely don't do well if trying to come from behind, all signs that this particular trip will be a small disaster, not on an Orient scale maybe, but another loss against a confident Stevenage side. Not looking forward to Saturday.
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Looks like one of our keepers is out, Jake Oram recalled from Matlock
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I have faith in Grant and believe that this poor run will come to an end soon. Not so sure it will happen against a big tough outfit like Stevenage though. Always a hard fixture and even in our Conference days they gave us a few batterings with a certain Carl Alford up front. We need to ride out the storm, get behind the lads and hope for a couple of strong signings in January. We all know that we're desperate for a goal scorer but who? Regan Linney at Carlisle might be worth a punt. Non league I know but surely better than Olusanya and Ajayi? My earliest memories are a forward line of Ripley, Jeffrey, Sheffield, Coleman and Gilfillan
and later a front 3 of Miller, Kitchen and O'Callaghan. What I wouldn't give for that kind of attacking force now. Billy up front on his own is never going to work. This is not a crisis. As someone said earlier, the Richardson/Weaver era was a crisis. Talk of reaching the Championship is ridiculous right now but we're definitely good enough for a mid table finish and to build and grow stronger from there. I'm old enough to remember getting beaten regularly by the likes of Darlington and Workington so people shouting about changes at the top need to get a bit of perspective. Through thick and (mainly) thin. :rtid:
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I have faith in Grant and believe that this poor run will come to an end soon. Not so sure it will happen against a big tough outfit like Stevenage though. Always a hard fixture and even in our Conference days they gave us a few batterings with a certain Carl Alford up front. We need to ride out the storm, get behind the lads and hope for a couple of strong signings in January. We all know that we're desperate for a goal scorer but who? Regan Linney at Carlisle might be worth a punt. Non league I know but surely better than Olusanya and Ajayi? My earliest memories are a forward line of Ripley, Jeffrey, Sheffield, Coleman and Gilfillan
and later a front 3 of Miller, Kitchen and O'Callaghan. What I wouldn't give for that kind of attacking force now. Billy up front on his own is never going to work. This is not a crisis. As someone said earlier, the Richardson/Weaver era was a crisis. Talk of reaching the Championship is ridiculous right now but we're definitely good enough for a mid table finish and to build and grow stronger from there. I'm old enough to remember getting beaten regularly by the likes of Darlington and Workington so people shouting about changes at the top need to get a bit of perspective. Through thick and (mainly) thin. :rtid:
That’s a good post Rich but I have to say that Keith Ripley usually played left half, not left wing.
I do remember him bagging a hat trick once though in a Sheffield County Cup game against ( I think) Rotherham.
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Looks like one of our keepers is out, Jake Oram recalled from Matlock
According to free press he was recalled Saturday morning to cover for Lawlor but he was okay for the Lincoln game.
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I know games in hand aren't the same as points in the bag, but it's worth noting that Stevenage have 2 games in hand on the leaders, Stockport, and 3 games in hand on second place, Lincoln, and are just 2 points behind them both. Potentially, they could be clear leaders of League 1.
Could this be brewing up for the shock of the season? Yes, I know pigs might fly, but you never know in football.
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Were Denmark the Rovers in disguise
Ffs how many chances did they need before scoring
I was sure they would even miss the Penalty
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Looking at the weather, and we are well overdue a really bad winter our fixtures could well be affected as regards going ahead as scheduled, which up to Christmas might be no bad thing and get us to the date we can try and strengthen the squad, or am i wishful thinking?
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Looking at the weather, and we are well overdue a really bad winter our fixtures could well be affected as regards going ahead as scheduled, which up to Christmas might be no bad thing and get us to the date we can try and strengthen the squad, or am i wishful thinking?
Back up to 12/13/14 degrees next week.
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My pond froze over last night despite 2 waterfalls and a fountain... Can't happen soon enough Gaz!
BobG
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My pond froze over last night despite 2 waterfalls and a fountain... Can't happen soon enough Gaz!
BobG
Though a man of your stature would live in a house not a pond Bob.
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We used to live in a pond. No waterfalls or fountains for us though. Ad to mek do wi mi dad projectile vomiting on us after e’d bin tut pub all neet.
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McCann in stands for Saturday having accrued three bookings this season.
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A match up against these will involve copious amounts of strength and aggression being directed upon our delicate little petals!
Can we ensure we play a team who can handle the rigours of this type of game!
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Stevenage want us to go down there and try to play football. They'll let us have the ball in the areas they want us to have it, in an attempt to pick us off and counter. We should sit in, let them force the pace and be patient. We will have more joy playing through them in 3 passes than 20 that's for sure.
Interesting that GM says they are the "best team" at set pieces. They have scored most goals from set pieces admittedly, but does that necessarily make them the best set piece team?, I'm not sure it does (i look at data that says different). Its a minor thing but its a small insight into how they look at analytics. Making judgements based on outcomes, especially on an area that has so much variance in said outcomes, is miles off it. They may end up being the best team at set pieces and my waffling may be nonsense but its more the thought process i'm looking at as opposed to the rational itself.
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Stevenage want us to go down there and try to play football. They'll let us have the ball in the areas they want us to have it, in an attempt to pick us off and counter. We should sit in, let them force the pace and be patient. We will have more joy playing through them in 3 passes than 20 that's for sure.
Interesting that GM says they are the "best team" at set pieces. They have scored most goals from set pieces admittedly, but does that necessarily make them the best set piece team?, I'm not sure it does (i look at data that says different). Its a minor thing but its a small insight into how they look at analytics. Making judgements based on outcomes, especially on an area that has so much variance in said outcomes, is miles off it. They may end up being the best team at set pieces and my waffling may be nonsense but its more the thought process i'm looking at as opposed to the rational itself.
Our manager has two league titles on his CV.
I’m sure he knows what he is doing, regardless of what analytics/outcomes say.
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Stevenage want us to go down there and try to play football. They'll let us have the ball in the areas they want us to have it, in an attempt to pick us off and counter. We should sit in, let them force the pace and be patient. We will have more joy playing through them in 3 passes than 20 that's for sure.
Interesting that GM says they are the "best team" at set pieces. They have scored most goals from set pieces admittedly, but does that necessarily make them the best set piece team?, I'm not sure it does (i look at data that says different). Its a minor thing but its a small insight into how they look at analytics. Making judgements based on outcomes, especially on an area that has so much variance in said outcomes, is miles off it. They may end up being the best team at set pieces and my waffling may be nonsense but its more the thought process i'm looking at as opposed to the rational itself.
Our manager has two league titles on his CV.
I’m sure he knows what he is doing, regardless of what analytics/outcomes say.
He’s good at what he does at the level he does it at. If he wants to have a good career higher up the pyramid he has to embrace the fact that there is now the capacity to analyse things in a more in depth/ nuanced way. I’m sure he doesn’t want to be a L1/L2 manager all of his career, he could make the step up easier for himself if he was less old school imo. Most clubs recruiting at Champ and Prem level now won’t entertain a coach that doesn’t have a real trust in analytics and an accept data led approach.
I know what other clubs do and the edge they get from certain things. It’s just the way football (and life!) has evolved over the last 10 years. If you don’t keep up with technology you are going backwards.
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You make out that McCann is using a blackboard and chalk
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McCann in stands for Saturday having accrued three bookings this season.
It doesn’t matter these days does it.
Grant will just have a live link to Cliff so will still be making the decisions.
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And yet three teams still come down every year from both leagues, mostly determined by money not statistics.
They have their place, and are needed to be taken on board, but knitting eleven players to complement each other and work as a unit is the main skill needed by a management team.
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Ref is Elliot Bell who took charge of the Rotherham game earlier in the season. Was pretty decent that day so maybe we will get a fair crack of the whip for once.
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McCann in stands for Saturday having accrued three bookings this season.
McCann may need to see this game from a different perspective as his blind faith in playing Billy on his lonesome is starting fall flat and the good approach work is just getting wasted without an end product.
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Stevenage want us to go down there and try to play football. They'll let us have the ball in the areas they want us to have it, in an attempt to pick us off and counter. We should sit in, let them force the pace and be patient. We will have more joy playing through them in 3 passes than 20 that's for sure.
Interesting that GM says they are the "best team" at set pieces. They have scored most goals from set pieces admittedly, but does that necessarily make them the best set piece team?, I'm not sure it does (i look at data that says different). Its a minor thing but its a small insight into how they look at analytics. Making judgements based on outcomes, especially on an area that has so much variance in said outcomes, is miles off it. They may end up being the best team at set pieces and my waffling may be nonsense but its more the thought process i'm looking at as opposed to the rational itself.
Our manager has two league titles on his CV.
I’m sure he knows what he is doing, regardless of what analytics/outcomes say.
He’s good at what he does at the level he does it at. If he wants to have a good career higher up the pyramid he has to embrace the fact that there is now the capacity to analyse things in a more in depth/ nuanced way. I’m sure he doesn’t want to be a L1/L2 manager all of his career, he could make the step up easier for himself if he was less old school imo. Most clubs recruiting at Champ and Prem level now won’t entertain a coach that doesn’t have a real trust in analytics and an accept data led approach.
I know what other clubs do and the edge they get from certain things. It’s just the way football (and life!) has evolved over the last 10 years. If you don’t keep up with technology you are going backwards.
On a more basic note it worries me that it took until near half time for Grant to realise that Rob Street would be the target of long balls against Maxwell out in the right wing. He said in his post match that’s when they tweaked something to stop that.
I said on lucky point before kick off that would happen. It was an obvious strength v weakness.
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Stevenage want us to go down there and try to play football. They'll let us have the ball in the areas they want us to have it, in an attempt to pick us off and counter. We should sit in, let them force the pace and be patient. We will have more joy playing through them in 3 passes than 20 that's for sure.
Interesting that GM says they are the "best team" at set pieces. They have scored most goals from set pieces admittedly, but does that necessarily make them the best set piece team?, I'm not sure it does (i look at data that says different). Its a minor thing but its a small insight into how they look at analytics. Making judgements based on outcomes, especially on an area that has so much variance in said outcomes, is miles off it. They may end up being the best team at set pieces and my waffling may be nonsense but its more the thought process i'm looking at as opposed to the rational itself.
Our manager has two league titles on his CV.
I’m sure he knows what he is doing, regardless of what analytics/outcomes say.
He’s good at what he does at the level he does it at. If he wants to have a good career higher up the pyramid he has to embrace the fact that there is now the capacity to analyse things in a more in depth/ nuanced way. I’m sure he doesn’t want to be a L1/L2 manager all of his career, he could make the step up easier for himself if he was less old school imo. Most clubs recruiting at Champ and Prem level now won’t entertain a coach that doesn’t have a real trust in analytics and an accept data led approach.
I know what other clubs do and the edge they get from certain things. It’s just the way football (and life!) has evolved over the last 10 years. If you don’t keep up with technology you are going backwards.
If you listen to Grants pre match interview he’s asked about xg’s & analysing the strengths & weaknesses of the opposition.
He says the club has its own analytical team who do exactly that.
You make Grant sound like a throw back to Bill Nicholson.
You’re a very arrogant person to allude to Grant not being good enough to manage above Lg1 level because he doesn’t embrace your world (how well I remember your post showing the number of minutes Hanlan had on the pitch & the goals he’d scored in those minutes compared to Sharp. It amounted to half a goal….oh how I laughed watching you pull back the hammer, point the pistol at your foot & pull the trigger) when he clearly states in that interview that analytics play an important role in preparing the team to play against each opponent they face.
Get your head out of your backside & try to keep up.
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Hanlan starts. Sharp on bench. McGrath and O’Riordan at CB.
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Stevenage want us to go down there and try to play football. They'll let us have the ball in the areas they want us to have it, in an attempt to pick us off and counter. We should sit in, let them force the pace and be patient. We will have more joy playing through them in 3 passes than 20 that's for sure.
Interesting that GM says they are the "best team" at set pieces. They have scored most goals from set pieces admittedly, but does that necessarily make them the best set piece team?, I'm not sure it does (i look at data that says different). Its a minor thing but its a small insight into how they look at analytics. Making judgements based on outcomes, especially on an area that has so much variance in said outcomes, is miles off it. They may end up being the best team at set pieces and my waffling may be nonsense but its more the thought process i'm looking at as opposed to the rational itself.
Our manager has two league titles on his CV.
I’m sure he knows what he is doing, regardless of what analytics/outcomes say.
He’s good at what he does at the level he does it at. If he wants to have a good career higher up the pyramid he has to embrace the fact that there is now the capacity to analyse things in a more in depth/ nuanced way. I’m sure he doesn’t want to be a L1/L2 manager all of his career, he could make the step up easier for himself if he was less old school imo. Most clubs recruiting at Champ and Prem level now won’t entertain a coach that doesn’t have a real trust in analytics and an accept data led approach.
I know what other clubs do and the edge they get from certain things. It’s just the way football (and life!) has evolved over the last 10 years. If you don’t keep up with technology you are going backwards.
If you listen to Grants pre match interview he’s asked about xg’s & analysing the strengths & weaknesses of the opposition.
He says the club has its own analytical team who do exactly that.
You make Grant sound like a throw back to Bill Nicholson.
You’re a very arrogant person to allude to Grant not being good enough to manage above Lg1 level because he doesn’t embrace your world (how well I remember your post showing the number of minutes Hanlan had on the pitch & the goals he’d scored in those minutes compared to Sharp. It amounted to half a goal….oh how I laughed watching you pull back the hammer, point the pistol at your foot & pull the trigger) when he clearly states in that interview that analytics play an important role in preparing the team to play against each opponent they face.
Get your head out of your backside & try to keep up.
All clubs have analysts. Using analytics and having analysts is a different thing. It’s the level you apply these things to. Mr Wide, I work with the best football analytics people in the world (not subjective either btw), and know what good in this field looks like more than most. For onece in your life take a step back and trust that someone can know more about something than you do.
On Grant “not embracing my word”, it’s not embracing the way football is progressing to the level you have to in 2025.
As the Chef Exec of hearts said in a recent interview, top of the SPL based on using data and data alone btw, put your preconceptions on football to one side and embrace the data.
The numbers know more than us all. Are they just one tool in a pretty large armoury that you need to be successful?? Of course they are, have the become the tool one if used in a smart way, yes.
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No Reid for them.
Other striker out too so they are playing without a recognised no.9.
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Hanlon looking good up top ,Giving the defence a rough time
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It is quite bizarre now your fixation on Gaz.
BobG
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It is quite bizarre now your fixation on Gaz.
BobG
Well….it gives you something to post about.
Been to the game today?
Been to any game this season?
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Same old story I’m afraid. If we don’t get someone in January who can trouble the opposition goaalkeeper we can write the rest of the season off.
We were far and away the better team untll we got anywhere near their penalty area.
9 shots with 2 on target and TWENTY FIVE touches in their area tells the whole story.
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Just looking at the table.
It’s amazing that Bradford City have won only 5 points out of the last possible 18 and yet still sit in 2nd place.
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I think that’s a poor result based on the game.
They were awful. Based on what Iv seen so far this season, il be surprised if we face an opposition that bad again.
Ignoring the obvious striker issues, we’re crying out for a dominant CM.
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What a Sterling all-round performance lads!
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Thought we were very good today, please keep the same team next week if possible
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I think that’s a poor result based on the game.
They were awful. Based on what Iv seen so far this season, il be surprised if we face an opposition that bad again.
Ignoring the obvious striker issues, we’re crying out for a dominant CM.
Dominated in midfield? I don't think its' often we see that. For me, the bigger issue is a lack of quality and composure in the final 3rd. Maxwell today was kind of a microcosm of how we play ... Lots of endeavour and effort - getting into great positions, but shanking his crosses left, right and centre.
I'd give my left bollox for a player with a bit of quality right now.
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Listened to the game on Radio dee dah and going to a top side and getting a point has got to be a good result.
And it sounded like Broadbent had a great game.
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In some parallel universe we'd have made a club record bid for Street at the start of the season, be 6/7 goals better off than we currently are, and be in contention for the play-offs/promotion.
Fantasy over.
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Stevenage have an immense home record. That’s a very good point today.
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Were 5th on xG table now, were a player or two off being play off contenders.
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Stevenage have an immense home record. That’s a very good point today.
The missed chances are enough to make you weep and in a sense the last few games have shown that in order to win we need even more chances if the conversion rate does not improve. Fortunately we kept the opposition out. Are League 1 defences and goalkeepers generally too good for us? Somehow what might be described as the inevitable result of the pressure we exert doesn't lead to expected end-product. Is it a psychological problem? We can blame bad luck, but could it be in the heads of our players? A lot is spoken about that side of the game nowadays.
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Mc Grath had a better game today too. Also a mention for the match officials, better than usual today.
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Mc Grath had a better game today too. Also a mention for the match officials, better than usual today.
They were, but they missed a clear penalty on Hanlan.
The defender shoved him in the chest with his forearm as they both went for the ball near the right goal line in the 2nd half. Definite penalty.
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Anyone want to own up to be one of thr numptiees scrapping at the back near final whistle?
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Agreed Billy ! Watched it at home and called it straight away just for the ref not to show any interest what so ever !
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Mc Grath had a better game today too. Also a mention for the match officials, better than usual today.
They were, but they missed a clear penalty on Hanlan.
The defender shoved him in the chest with his forearm as they both went for the ball near the right goal line in the 2nd half. Definite penalty.
We just don’t get penalty’s
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Mc Grath had a better game today too. Also a mention for the match officials, better than usual today.
They were, but they missed a clear penalty on Hanlan.
The defender shoved him in the chest with his forearm as they both went for the ball near the right goal line in the 2nd half. Definite penalty.
They don’t get given as penalties. Just wasn’t one.
Decent performance really in poor conditions. We were certainly the better team, they created pretty much zero.
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We were shouting for two pens on Hanlan, neither were for me.
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In that first altercation between Hanlan and Piergianni Hanlon was too honest for his own good and stayed up after he had hands laid all over him, if he went down at that point it should have been a penalty.
Thought he led the line well today, worked hard and made a nuisance of himself all game, on another day he would have got some reward for his endeavours. Showed pace and strength.
The subs did not work for us, loosing the man in midfield allowed them a foothold. Clifton had a mighty game and was unlucky a couple of times.
Overall in appalling conditions we stood up well and restricted them throughout, if you didn't know the league positions could have been reversed. Could of been conditions led but with a bit more composure we win that game
The effort and application is there, we just need to stick at it, it will come.
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We were definitely the better side, the stevenage commentators were shocked how well we played and couldnt believe our league position. If only we could find the net.
I did think Stevenage were very poor today though, no way will they be top 6 on todays showing.
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Mc Grath had a better game today too. Also a mention for the match officials, better than usual today.
They were, but they missed a clear penalty on Hanlan.
The defender shoved him in the chest with his forearm as they both went for the ball near the right goal line in the 2nd half. Definite penalty.
They don’t get given as penalties. Just wasn’t one.
Decent performance really in poor conditions. We were certainly the better team, they created pretty much zero.
Then the laws of the game are not being applied correctly.
It was a foul challenge. Plain and simple. If you are running parallel to an opponent, the Laws allow you to physically push them out of the way ONLY through shoulder to shoulder contact. Using arms or hands or contacting anywhere else is a foul. There's no debating that. It is in black and white in the Laws of the Game.
That's twice in the last few weeks that we've had players clearly and unambiguously fouled in the area, and you've said "They don't give penalties for that."
Who has decided that convention? I've never seen any discussion that there has to be a higher standard applied to fouls resulting in penalties. If there was such a one, the place to start would be where a player grazes against a defender's leg and goes down, when the defender is clearly not deliberately trying to trip the striker. But those are invariably given. E.g. the penalty given for Northampton against Close last month.
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Mc Grath had a better game today too. Also a mention for the match officials, better than usual today.
They were, but they missed a clear penalty on Hanlan.
The defender shoved him in the chest with his forearm as they both went for the ball near the right goal line in the 2nd half. Definite penalty.
They don’t get given as penalties. Just wasn’t one.
Decent performance really in poor conditions. We were certainly the better team, they created pretty much zero.
Then the laws of the game are not being applied correctly.
It was a foul challenge. Plain and simple. If you are running parallel to an opponent, the Laws allow you to physically push them out of the way ONLY through shoulder to shoulder contact. Using arms or hands or contacting anywhere else is a foul. There's no debating that. It is in black and white in the Laws of the Game.
That's twice in the last few weeks that we've had players clearly and unambiguously fouled in the area, and you've said "They don't give penalties for that."
Who has decided that convention? I've never seen any discussion that there has to be a higher standard applied to fouls resulting in penalties. If there was such a one, the place to start would be where a player grazes against a defender's leg and goes down, when the defender is clearly not deliberately trying to trip the striker. But those are invariably given. E.g. the penalty given for Northampton against Close last month.
I don’t actually disagree, it’s just something that happens. In the same way that if a player gets a shot off, and then gets wiped it by a player trying to block it, a penalty never gets given. If it happens in the centre circle when a player passes the ball, late challenges get given as fouls.
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Exactly that happened to Phil Foden yesterday against Newcastle.
It is hard to guess what will or won’t be given, even with VAR.
Obvious ones denied and very soft ones given. We rarely seem to profit with either.
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A single penalty awarded to us in the league this season, but four awarded against us (only two of the four scored though).
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Mc Grath had a better game today too. Also a mention for the match officials, better than usual today.
They were, but they missed a clear penalty on Hanlan.
The defender shoved him in the chest with his forearm as they both went for the ball near the right goal line in the 2nd half. Definite penalty.
They don’t get given as penalties. Just wasn’t one.
Decent performance really in poor conditions. We were certainly the better team, they created pretty much zero.
Then the laws of the game are not being applied correctly.
It was a foul challenge. Plain and simple. If you are running parallel to an opponent, the Laws allow you to physically push them out of the way ONLY through shoulder to shoulder contact. Using arms or hands or contacting anywhere else is a foul. There's no debating that. It is in black and white in the Laws of the Game.
That's twice in the last few weeks that we've had players clearly and unambiguously fouled in the area, and you've said "They don't give penalties for that."
Who has decided that convention? I've never seen any discussion that there has to be a higher standard applied to fouls resulting in penalties. If there was such a one, the place to start would be where a player grazes against a defender's leg and goes down, when the defender is clearly not deliberately trying to trip the striker. But those are invariably given. E.g. the penalty given for Northampton against Close last month.
Seen the extended highlights and agree with your assessment. Having seen the forearm push you can't deem that shoulder to shoulder and levering Hanlan off the ball. It's foul play.
Looks like Hanlan did some good work again. The winning of the tussle to get round the full back ioutwide, bursting into the area was excellent. The subsequent near miss from the ricochet off Clifton highlights the fine margins, when last week, the ricochet off Gotts ends up the wrong side of the post for the og.
The lads have got to keep plugging away and these recent better performances will be rewarded.
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It is quite bizarre now your fixation on Gaz.
BobG
Well….it gives you something to post about.
Been to the game today?
Been to any game this season?
I see you have had to resort to that old trick of changing the subject when you have absolutely no defence at all to the point under discussion - your pathetic attempts to ridicule the intelligent, experienced AND knowledgeable Gaz. Your ignorance shines brightly.
Cheers
BobG