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Title: January
Post by: scawsby steve on November 29, 2025, 07:46:31 pm
 I hope we go for quality rather than quantity. IMO we need a good striker, and another solid midfielder.

Get this right, and we could greatly improve, as we have done following the last 2 January windows.
Title: Re: January
Post by: DearneValleyRover on November 29, 2025, 08:19:01 pm
We need a striker and a proper number 10
Title: Re: January
Post by: Branton Red on November 29, 2025, 08:21:04 pm
We need a striker and a proper number 10

It's at both ends of the pitch where we need the most improvement.

A striker with a bit of pace and a safer more solid goalkeeper are a must if Rovers are to stop up.
Title: Re: January
Post by: drfchound on November 29, 2025, 08:30:49 pm
If it is possible, ask Ajayi, Crew, Tutala and Olusanya to return to their parent clubs and bring in a more reliable keeper and another, better, striker (someone like Street).So four out and replaced by two better options.
Title: Re: January
Post by: grayx on November 29, 2025, 08:35:05 pm
If it is possible, ask Ajayi, Crew, Tutala and Olusanya to return to their parent clubs and bring in a more reliable keeper and another, better, striker (someone like Street).So four out and replaced by two better options.
Not a bad shout.
Title: Re: January
Post by: mushRTID on November 29, 2025, 08:37:34 pm
If it is possible, ask Ajayi, Crew, Tutala and Olusanya to return to their parent clubs and bring in a more reliable keeper and another, better, striker (someone like Street).So four out and replaced by two better options.

If we could get upgrades on these 4 we would be in a great position.
Title: Re: January
Post by: ncRover on November 29, 2025, 08:55:35 pm
A striker who’s good in the air and a threat in the box, an attacking midfielder and ideally some pace out wide (like we’ve seen in the last two home games from opposition) for me!
Title: Re: January
Post by: selby on November 29, 2025, 10:12:48 pm
  Two in Faulkner and Flint should be in the house to start with, Grehan was toast today and shown up for lack of pace.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Alan Southstand on November 29, 2025, 11:06:50 pm
Absolute no-brainer priority is a No. 9.

Next up I’d have a much better attacking midfielder

After that, someone to actually compete with Mols (if Ajeyi goes back, we have no cover for him).

Keeper is definately under scrutiny and if we could get a better permanent one, allelujah.

Title: Re: January
Post by: steve@dcfd on November 30, 2025, 07:44:02 am
Yes we need another striker and Olusanya can go back to Houston. Will we get one to improve us won’t be easy. Anther attacking midfield player.
Title: Re: January
Post by: graingrover on November 30, 2025, 10:46:27 am
Who was the guy sitting  next to Middleton and the subs yesterday ?
Title: Re: January
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 30, 2025, 10:49:04 am
We need a #9 and someone to replace Ajayi. Beyond that we’ve got plenty, even if people don’t rate them.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Nudga on November 30, 2025, 10:58:39 am
We need a #9 and someone to replace Ajayi. Beyond that we’ve got plenty, even if people don’t rate them.

Westbrooke, Crew and possibly Close could go and we bring in a proper lg1 quality midfielder. 
Title: Re: January
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 30, 2025, 11:02:47 am
He’s clearly happy with Broadbent, Bailey and Clifton. Can’t see him laying out for wages of another senior midfielder, when we have about a thousand on the books and he likes his three.
Title: Re: January
Post by: selby on November 30, 2025, 11:13:09 am
  The hardest part is going to be getting other teams to want our flotsam, and we have quite a bit.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Belle_Vue on November 30, 2025, 11:53:28 am
  The hardest part is going to be getting other teams to want our flotsam, and we have quite a bit.

Thats a horrible way to describe Faulkner!! I think the lad has a future here
Title: Re: January
Post by: ncRover on November 30, 2025, 12:25:52 pm
We need a #9 and someone to replace Ajayi. Beyond that we’ve got plenty, even if people don’t rate them.

Westbrooke, Crew and possibly Close could go and we bring in a proper lg1 quality midfielder.

Close has had his month-long renaissance only to disappear when it’s evident he’s not good enough. Happens every year.

We need some pace in midfield if we’re bringing one in. That’s a slight issue there.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Chris Black come back on November 30, 2025, 01:28:33 pm
Who was the guy sitting  next to Middleton and the subs yesterday ?

Darren Robinson, midfielder from Derby County. Been training with us.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Filo on November 30, 2025, 01:29:31 pm
Who was the guy sitting  next to Middleton and the subs yesterday ?

Darren Robinson, currently under contract at Derby
Title: Re: January
Post by: ncRover on November 30, 2025, 01:41:46 pm
Recently struggled for game time in the Irish league
Title: Re: January
Post by: Rovers91 on November 30, 2025, 02:21:05 pm
  Two in Faulkner and Flint should be in the house to start with, Grehan was toast today and shown up for lack of pace.

Its weird how obsessed you are with Faulkner, Grehan is miles better than Faulkner.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Rovers91 on November 30, 2025, 02:25:09 pm
He’s clearly happy with Broadbent, Bailey and Clifton. Can’t see him laying out for wages of another senior midfielder, when we have about a thousand on the books and he likes his three.

That midfield lacks the quality we need at this level, lot of heart but a lack of quality.
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on November 30, 2025, 02:27:17 pm
He’s clearly happy with Broadbent, Bailey and Clifton. Can’t see him laying out for wages of another senior midfielder, when we have about a thousand on the books and he likes his three.

That midfield lacks the quality we need at this level, lot of heart but a lack of quality.


That’s not what they are in there to do in this team though. They are in there to win duels and out work teams.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Rovers91 on November 30, 2025, 02:29:51 pm
He’s clearly happy with Broadbent, Bailey and Clifton. Can’t see him laying out for wages of another senior midfielder, when we have about a thousand on the books and he likes his three.

That midfield lacks the quality we need at this level, lot of heart but a lack of quality.


That’s not what they are in there to do in this team though. They are in there to win duels and out work teams.

Maybe so but you still need more quality in there, there's only Bailey who has stepped up in midfield.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Filo on November 30, 2025, 03:00:48 pm
He’s clearly happy with Broadbent, Bailey and Clifton. Can’t see him laying out for wages of another senior midfielder, when we have about a thousand on the books and he likes his three.

That midfield lacks the quality we need at this level, lot of heart but a lack of quality.


That’s not what they are in there to do in this team though. They are in there to win duels and out work teams.

Maybe so but you still need more quality in there, there's only Bailey who has stepped up in midfield.

At this moment in time, Broadbent is the best midfielder
Title: Re: January
Post by: big fat yorkshire pudding on November 30, 2025, 03:27:09 pm
He’s clearly happy with Broadbent, Bailey and Clifton. Can’t see him laying out for wages of another senior midfielder, when we have about a thousand on the books and he likes his three.

That midfield lacks the quality we need at this level, lot of heart but a lack of quality.


That’s not what they are in there to do in this team though. They are in there to win duels and out work teams.

Maybe so but you still need more quality in there, there's only Bailey who has stepped up in midfield.

At this moment in time, Broadbent is the best midfielder

I thought Broadbent was great yesterday again.  Bailey probably had his worst game for us aswell, I think he's earnt plenty of banked credit.

On the subject of Hanlan, what's our record when he starts? It feels like the team is better with him playing even without him scoring?
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on November 30, 2025, 03:41:57 pm
He’s clearly happy with Broadbent, Bailey and Clifton. Can’t see him laying out for wages of another senior midfielder, when we have about a thousand on the books and he likes his three.

That midfield lacks the quality we need at this level, lot of heart but a lack of quality.


That’s not what they are in there to do in this team though. They are in there to win duels and out work teams.

Maybe so but you still need more quality in there, there's only Bailey who has stepped up in midfield.

I agree with you. Not what Grant prioritises though.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Padge_DRFC on November 30, 2025, 04:54:26 pm
He’s clearly happy with Broadbent, Bailey and Clifton. Can’t see him laying out for wages of another senior midfielder, when we have about a thousand on the books and he likes his three.

That midfield lacks the quality we need at this level, lot of heart but a lack of quality.


That’s not what they are in there to do in this team though. They are in there to win duels and out work teams.

Maybe so but you still need more quality in there, there's only Bailey who has stepped up in midfield.

At this moment in time, Broadbent is the best midfielder

I thought Broadbent was great yesterday again.  Bailey probably had his worst game for us aswell, I think he's earnt plenty of banked credit.

On the subject of Hanlan, what's our record when he starts? It feels like the team is better with him playing even without him scoring?

I've been a fan of Broadbent this season. However yesterday he was chasing shadows and found it difficult
Title: Re: January
Post by: Donnybax on November 30, 2025, 05:05:01 pm
I think we need a ball carrier in midfield, someone with some pace out wide and a striker.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Nudga on November 30, 2025, 06:44:02 pm
He’s clearly happy with Broadbent, Bailey and Clifton. Can’t see him laying out for wages of another senior midfielder, when we have about a thousand on the books and he likes his three.

That midfield lacks the quality we need at this level, lot of heart but a lack of quality.


That’s not what they are in there to do in this team though. They are in there to win duels and out work teams.

Maybe so but you still need more quality in there, there's only Bailey who has stepped up in midfield.

At this moment in time, Broadbent is the best midfielder

I thought Broadbent was great yesterday again.  Bailey probably had his worst game for us aswell, I think he's earnt plenty of banked credit.

On the subject of Hanlan, what's our record when he starts? It feels like the team is better with him playing even without him scoring?

I've been a fan of Broadbent this season. However yesterday he was chasing shadows and found it difficult

Out of possession i thought he was caught in no man's land a few times.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Draytonian III on November 30, 2025, 07:07:42 pm
  Two in Faulkner and Flint should be in the house to start with, Grehan was toast today and shown up for lack of pace.


Their player, number 11 was a very very good player, if he had played the full game Peterborough would have got at least a point if not more.
Title: Re: January
Post by: colincramb on December 01, 2025, 05:23:15 am
Just a thought, but is it inconceivable that if we sign a number 9, or a couple of other striking options that Billy packs it all in and retires? He’s looking increasingly more frustrated to me and now he isn’t starting. Wouldn’t be surprised
Title: Re: January
Post by: Usher wide. on December 01, 2025, 10:02:07 am
Never thought of Billy as a candidate for spitting a dummy out.

He’ll see his contract out.
Title: Re: January
Post by: moses on December 01, 2025, 10:09:44 am
If we sign a first choice striker and everyone shuffles down the pecking order and Billy got the chance of a league club who were promising he would start every week he might be tempted in January.
He knows father time is ticking and his chances of goals would drop considerably if we sign another striker.
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on December 01, 2025, 10:27:37 am
If we sign a first choice striker and everyone shuffles down the pecking order and Billy got the chance of a league club who were promising he would start every week he might be tempted in January.
He knows father time is ticking and his chances of goals would drop considerably if we sign another striker.

I’m not sure a 39 year old striker would start every week at any club.
Title: Re: January
Post by: steve@dcfd on December 01, 2025, 12:41:03 pm
Just a thought, but is it inconceivable that if we sign a number 9, or a couple of other striking options that Billy packs it all in and retires? He’s looking increasingly more frustrated to me and now he isn’t starting. Wouldn’t be surprised
Well he should start on Tuesday night in the Vertu trophy at least plus it’s only two games that he’s not started mountain out of a mole hill.
Title: Re: January
Post by: ncRover on December 01, 2025, 12:53:15 pm
Olusanya still injured.

Hopefully Grant doesn’t extend his loan with the justification that he hasn’t had a chance.

He is nowhere near the technical standard to play as a lone centre forward in this system.

Billy should be a 3rd choice option. Saturday demonstrated that.
Title: Re: January
Post by: colincramb on December 01, 2025, 06:08:40 pm
Just a thought, but is it inconceivable that if we sign a number 9, or a couple of other striking options that Billy packs it all in and retires? He’s looking increasingly more frustrated to me and now he isn’t starting. Wouldn’t be surprised
Well he should start on Tuesday night in the Vertu trophy at least plus it’s only two games that he’s not started mountain out of a mole hill.

Just touting the question around, that’s all. He isn’t doing it for the money anymore so if he falls down the pecking order in January, it could be an option
Title: Re: January
Post by: graingrover on December 01, 2025, 06:24:27 pm
I dontthink Billy would ever change his character from battler to coward .I also do not agree we have flotsam and jetsam .Our average crowd is 9509 which is 12th in the division .TB puts in an extra million or so to keep us going and Grant has only ever paid a minor transfer fee during his two seasons here ( on Grehan  )
I don’t think  we will ever find anyone to replace TB as a benefactor and will have to grow our own youngsters over the next decade .If GB stays as CEO to keep the community strategy growing we will need a minor shareholder to finance that part of our budget  that  exceeds Club Doncaster’s three club revenues and the money from attendances and TV .I don’t dream beyond  and my realistic outlook is a long term consolidation as a League one club .
Wrexham we are not and hopefully do not even dream of searching for such a profile .Grant may stay two or  three more seasons if he sees his development strategy is paying off but a lot will depend on his relationship with the fans in that time .
Title: Re: January
Post by: DearneValleyRover on December 01, 2025, 07:26:19 pm
I can see Billy finishing at S*unny if they make it back up.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Usher wide. on December 02, 2025, 09:19:40 pm
Just a thought, but is it inconceivable that if we sign a number 9, or a couple of other striking options that Billy packs it all in and retires? He’s looking increasingly more frustrated to me and now he isn’t starting. Wouldn’t be surprised

Stand up & be counted colincramb.
Title: Re: January
Post by: drfchound on December 02, 2025, 09:50:53 pm
I can see Billy finishing at S*unny if they make it back up.

They offered him the player/manager job in the summer.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Sammy Chung was King on December 03, 2025, 10:34:57 am
Josh Onomah for the midfielder, free agent.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Barmby Rover on December 03, 2025, 11:22:07 am
He’s clearly happy with Broadbent, Bailey and Clifton. Can’t see him laying out for wages of another senior midfielder, when we have about a thousand on the books and he likes his three.

That midfield lacks the quality we need at this level, lot of heart but a lack of quality.

Lots of talk like this, but if you remember how Crewe came strong later in the season last year I think he may well provide the "quality" we need, as a young player the Wales set-up has been difficult to transition from, give him time.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Prez on December 09, 2025, 10:06:46 pm
Going to be a very important window for us. Grant has to get it right otherwise we may well go down. Mistakes from the summer can’t be repeated.

Gotts, not been good enough, Middleton not fancied, Hanlon in and out of team, Grehan, Pearson struggling for starts. None of them you can argue have improved us.

Then the loan signings, Crew and Adaji need sending back for me. TLT been shaky.

Recruitment overall has been poor.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Move DRFC on December 09, 2025, 10:21:50 pm
Going to be a very important window for us. Grant has to get it right otherwise we may well go down. Mistakes from the summer can’t be repeated.

Gotts, not been good enough, Middleton not fancied, Hanlon in and out of team, Grehan, Pearson struggling for starts. None of them you can argue have improved us.

Then the loan signings, Crew and Adaji need sending back for me. TLT been shaky.

Recruitment overall has been poor.

On the basis of what we've seen so far, the summer recruitment was a disaster. Gotts, Pearson and Middleton couldn't even get in the squad tonight. Ajayi been so poor in the league. Hanlan should have started tonight but he's barely played for the majority. Huge Jan ahead.
Title: Re: January
Post by: mushRTID on December 09, 2025, 10:23:34 pm
Agreed some serious work to be done.

Everywhere needs strengthening, we have no pace or muscle anywhere other than Hanlon.

Ajayi, Crew, Olusanya to go. 3 established league one quality players required to replace them. It’s going to cost some money this window.

Then the defense needs work, especially if O’Riordan goes back.

I could see Grehan going out on loan.
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on December 09, 2025, 10:25:20 pm
Would you trust this lot with any money? Non of the summer signings have made us better, that’s the crux of the issue.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Prez on December 09, 2025, 10:26:41 pm
Agreed some serious work to be done.

Everywhere needs strengthening, we have no pace or muscle anywhere other than Hanlon.

Ajayi, Crew, Olusanya to go. 3 established league one quality players required to replace them. It’s going to cost some money this window.

Then the defense needs work, especially if O’Riordan goes back.

I could see Grehan going out on loan.

I’d completely forgot about lasagna. Yet another poor signing. Don’t think we see him again.
Title: Re: January
Post by: mushRTID on December 09, 2025, 10:28:04 pm
Would you trust this lot with any money? Non of the summer signings have made us better, that’s the crux of the issue.

Agreed but we need to try something or we will go down with a whimper.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Move DRFC on December 09, 2025, 10:32:22 pm
Rejecting 500k for McGrath was probably the biggest disaster of a decision in the summer. A bang average head it and kick it centre half who's overrated by our fan base because he's a local lad and kisses the badge.

His work on the ball and general distribution is an absolute car crash. Looks an ok player against poor teams when they lump it forward but struggles against any quality.

Can someone get on the phone to Plymouth. Getting half of that would be a steal.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Chris Black come back on December 09, 2025, 10:39:53 pm
Is Lasagne still injured? Never hear a word about the lad. Think McCann is hoping we all forget.
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on December 09, 2025, 10:42:08 pm
Rejecting 500k for McGrath was probably the biggest disaster of a decision in the summer. A bang average head it and kick it centre half who's overrated by our fan base because he's a local lad and kisses the badge.

His work on the ball and general distribution is an absolute car crash. Looks an ok player against poor teams when they lump it forward but struggles against any quality.

Can someone get on the phone to Plymouth. Getting half of that would be a steal.


Who is accountable?

Who is accountable for making signings that don’t improve the XI?

Who is accountable for employing a disastrous head of recruitment?

Who is accountable for turning down large offers for players that were probably value to accept?

Who is accountable for dropping a bollock not tying Olowu up to a deal early enough and letting a big asset leave for free?

Who is accountable for giving contracts to players that are well past their best?

The only accountability comes when the manager gets the sack. Nobody wants that to happen, but if you have a structure where the manager takes all the accountability, that’s the only option you leave yourself with. That can’t be the right structure can it.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Chris Black come back on December 09, 2025, 10:44:30 pm
Our woeful record of monetising talent ultimately means Terry has to pay out millions from his own pocket. Cannot believe he tolerates this. Every poor signing or fee lost on talent means more cash from his wallet. Very strange.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Blue Green Algae on December 09, 2025, 10:53:55 pm
McGrath needs a couple of seasons in League Two (he might well get them with us at this rate). He drops a clanger almost every game. Yes he's decent in the air, but that doesn't justify the loyalty Grant keeps showing him. If O'Riordan goes back we're in huge trouble.
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on December 09, 2025, 10:57:07 pm
Our woeful record of monetising talent ultimately means Terry has to pay out millions from his own pocket. Cannot believe he tolerates this. Every poor signing or fee lost on talent means more cash from his wallet. Very strange.

We one way we are extremely lucky to have an owner like Terry who gives the manager so much control and trust. In another way I thinks that’s a suboptimal strategy. He’s the chairman, it’s his money, and he has to make the decisions as he sees fit.
Title: Re: January
Post by: BobG on December 09, 2025, 11:03:26 pm
Yes Gaz. And one day that structure will land us very, very deeply in the doodoo.

Any replacement Terrys around?

Bob
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on December 09, 2025, 11:14:06 pm
Yes Gaz. And one day that structure will land us very, very deeply in the doodoo.

Any replacement Terrys around?

Bob

Terry must be a dream chairman for a manager to work under. That goes a very long way and can’t be overlooked.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Pliskin on December 09, 2025, 11:31:46 pm
The summer transfer window is looking like a complete dud.

10 players brought in, and the only one who's actually improved us is O'Riordan who may be about to go back to Blackburn in January.

Whose idea was it to go into the season with Sharp, Hanlan and a complete punt from the MLS as our forward options? It seemed mad at the time, even more so now.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Petche on December 09, 2025, 11:32:58 pm
Rejecting 500k for McGrath was probably the biggest disaster of a decision in the summer. A bang average head it and kick it centre half who's overrated by our fan base because he's a local lad and kisses the badge.

His work on the ball and general distribution is an absolute car crash. Looks an ok player against poor teams when they lump it forward but struggles against any quality.

Can someone get on the phone to Plymouth. Getting half of that would be a steal.

Responsible for both goals tonight - dreadful!
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on December 09, 2025, 11:37:04 pm
One win in three months just isn’t good enough. I actually think our performances have largely been ok in the time, but certainly concerned that if a dip in performances is coming we have nowhere to go.

1 win in 12 games is relegation form. Make no bones about it.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Alan Southstand on December 09, 2025, 11:42:45 pm
Whatever we have lined up in January better be good, because that performance stank the Eco power out.
We’re back in L2 if we don’t do something in January and I mean right from the get-go.
Title: Re: January
Post by: selby on December 09, 2025, 11:43:02 pm
  We have  some better players on the books. What has happened to Pearson for a start? and after last season why do you think sides were after Flint and Faulkner before a ball was kicked in anger and ignored almost everyone else.
  After showing the lot a clean pair of heels in pre season training we took the silling in three days from Harrogate, and  Flint never put a foot wrong in pre season games and off he went to a team that have never played him in his best position and has not played recently after getting the MOM award in his last game playing out of position, and also having two very good games in our EFL cup run and again not his best position of defensive mid field a position we are crying out for some class and consistency to help Bailey and Broadbent.
  It seems we only rate other teams players coming through other academies who to me are miles off it from what I have seen.
Title: Re: January
Post by: steve@dcfd on December 10, 2025, 07:46:46 am
Last night showed we are a league 2 squad with one or two league one players. Grant and some supporters believe we have players who can take us further in this league. We don't the results are showing that. Whether Faulkner and Flint are better than McGrath we don't know we've not seen them at league one level and will probably not. We don't have any centre half better or as good as ORiorden. Our midfield without Bailey and Broadbent is second rate. Our two wide players in Molyneux and Gibson which we really rely on for the system Grant plays were snubbed out of the game last night and have been in most league 1 games. We haven't got a Striker for our system both try hard but both are not good enough. Stockport were not Brilliant but did enough last night to hold us at bay and scored what was required. Both goals were down to McGrath mistakes poor passing.
So January we need more than a striker to keep us in this league. We are not a top 10 side and never have been. We will be lucky not to be relegated. We are not a poor side but we are a side that are not effective in this league.
Title: Re: January
Post by: i_ateallthepies on December 10, 2025, 09:17:23 am
O'Riorden didn't impress me last night.  He looked to be running in diving boots when needing to put on a turn of speed.
Title: Re: January
Post by: TonySoprano on December 10, 2025, 09:49:13 am
Let's be honest, if TB wants us to be competitive then he needs to get his cheque book out. Plain and simple.
Otherwise relegation is a real possibility.

Also, I wouldn't trust the head of recruitment with the tea budget, never mind the transfer budget.
He needs to go.
Title: Re: January
Post by: scawsby steve on December 10, 2025, 06:35:20 pm
Terry most be seething right now. He said that he wants to leave the club with a good legacy. A relegation battle in the 3rd tier of the EFL is hardly a good legacy.

He's obviously put a lot of trust in the manager and the recruitment team. Whether that trust will remain, and whether or not he'll increase the budget, none of us know.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Nudga on December 10, 2025, 06:51:13 pm
Not sure how he'd be prepared to open the cheque book after the summer's budget hasn't been spent very well.
Title: Re: January
Post by: goalkick on December 10, 2025, 07:16:51 pm
Was sad to watch last night. We have a lot of dead wood in the squad and is difficult to see until January what can be done. Would like to see a striker and a  solid centre half in the middle as a priority.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Chris Black come back on December 10, 2025, 08:23:14 pm
I think we will stay up this season. Maybe even have a bit of a McCann second half run. That won’t change the fundamental issue that we haven’t got a business model that monetises talent so we are always on the hook for a large subsidy. Currently from a very generous backer who is happy to do this. That might not be there for too much longer. Our recruitment isn’t great and our monetisation is even worse. We make life difficult for ourselves.

Who allowed McCann to retain Close and Westbrooke on good wages and rarely if ever play them? Even if cheap to the point of being free, who scouted Lasagne? Even if the lad had talent he was clearly way short of fitness for League One.

There is obvious sentimentality for Billy and he does bring something but even he would likely say it is madness for him to start as our main striker. That’s a function of Hanlan being signed on again decent wages and only recently being played. Billy plays because we haven’t recruited an effective alternative.
Title: Re: January
Post by: In the box on December 10, 2025, 09:37:54 pm
I hope we go for quality rather than quantity. IMO we need a good striker, and another solid midfielder.

Get this right, and we could greatly improve, as we have done following the last 2 January windows.
When are we ever gonna  go into a January new year window not requiring yet another loan sighing to save our season ! Loan keeper , loan central defender loan midfielders and yet again we need a loan striker !! It’s getting so ridicules that it become habit forming  . Surly the preseason targets are just not being fulfilled and expectations are being exaggerated!!
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on December 10, 2025, 10:02:40 pm
My concern with January is that on our budget it’s much easier to find game changers on loan in L2 than it is in L1.
Title: Re: January
Post by: Thorney on December 10, 2025, 10:13:35 pm
  We have  some better players on the books. What has happened to Pearson for a start? and after last season why do you think sides were after Flint and Faulkner before a ball was kicked in anger and ignored almost everyone else.
  After showing the lot a clean pair of heels in pre season training we took the silling in three days from Harrogate, and  Flint never put a foot wrong in pre season games and off he went to a team that have never played him in his best position and has not played recently after getting the MOM award in his last game playing out of position, and also having two very good games in our EFL cup run and again not his best position of defensive mid field a position we are crying out for some class and consistency to help Bailey and Broadbent.
  It seems we only rate other teams players coming through other academies who to me are miles off it from what I have seen.

Selby the 2 players you mentioned ended up below the level we are in. How are they better than what we have?

Flint in national league

And you shout from the roof tops how good bobby is but he has been apart of an harrogate side that sit in the relegation places in league 2
He has played his part in a total of 11 league games in which they have lost 8. And conceded 17 goals in those 11 games.
So why would we think he should be part of a league 1 defence.
We know that no matter how poor of a game he has you do find a way to make it sound like he is the best player on the pitch and was heroic against a very tough opponent. And its always the teammates that is the problem.

Title: Re: January
Post by: ncRover on December 10, 2025, 10:56:06 pm
My concern with January is that on our budget it’s much easier to find game changers on loan in L2 than it is in L1.

Could see us getting Ryan Oné on loan now that blades have brought Bamford in.

Big and quick young striker who can also play on the left. Gets in their squads regularly over Louie Marsh.
Title: Re: January
Post by: steve@dcfd on December 10, 2025, 11:24:20 pm
Who ever we bring in if any body in January then they have to improve the first team.
We brought in Gotts, Hanlan, Pearson and Middleton all permanent summer signings not young players to develop. None have improved the first team all have had cameos but none have shown the level required at league 1. We brought in Crew and Ajayi loans the cherry on top of the cake one might say again not broke into or improved the first team. ORiorden has been the best loan signing and I would say the best CB. Grehan again a young developing CB but has not broke into the first team. Olusanya well he's been a waste of a loan signing shown he's not up to league one and been injured. TLT a decent loan goalkeeper and regular No1.
So to Grant and the transfer team you've got to do better we need players to go straight in the first team or we will be relegated
Title: Re: January
Post by: ncRover on December 11, 2025, 11:34:43 am
Who ever we bring in if any body in January then they have to improve the first team.
We brought in Gotts, Hanlan, Pearson and Middleton all permanent summer signings not young players to develop. None have improved the first team all have had cameos but none have shown the level required at league 1. We brought in Crew and Ajayi loans the cherry on top of the cake one might say again not broke into or improved the first team. ORiorden has been the best loan signing and I would say the best CB. Grehan again a young developing CB but has not broke into the first team. Olusanya well he's been a waste of a loan signing shown he's not up to league one and been injured. TLT a decent loan goalkeeper and regular No1.
So to Grant and the transfer team you've got to do better we need players to go straight in the first team or we will be relegated

Is Gotts injured? It’s odd that McCann has wanted and admired him for years just to play Ben Close over him if not.
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on December 11, 2025, 11:37:19 am
Who ever we bring in if any body in January then they have to improve the first team.
We brought in Gotts, Hanlan, Pearson and Middleton all permanent summer signings not young players to develop. None have improved the first team all have had cameos but none have shown the level required at league 1. We brought in Crew and Ajayi loans the cherry on top of the cake one might say again not broke into or improved the first team. ORiorden has been the best loan signing and I would say the best CB. Grehan again a young developing CB but has not broke into the first team. Olusanya well he's been a waste of a loan signing shown he's not up to league one and been injured. TLT a decent loan goalkeeper and regular No1.
So to Grant and the transfer team you've got to do better we need players to go straight in the first team or we will be relegated

Is Gotts injured? It’s odd that McCann has wanted and admired him for years just to play Ben Close over him if not.

Same with Middleton. Neither in the squad.
Title: Re: January
Post by: steve@dcfd on December 11, 2025, 12:42:46 pm
Maybe he believes same as me now neither improve or maintain the first team when they play. Middleton okay going down the left wing putting crosses in that's it. Hasn't scored in any of the games he's played.
Gotts a better improvement on Sbarra but that's it he's not a Clifton we need better for that role in January.
Both played in the trophy game and were substituted around the 75 minute. Both on the Bench in Chesterfield FACup game and stayed there. Neither on the Bench for Stockport
Title: Re: January
Post by: graingrover on December 11, 2025, 01:22:24 pm
I bet we will sign Robinson to start with for sure .A striker surely and probably a few of our own loanees will leave us permanently eg Hurst , Westbrooke .
Title: Re: January
Post by: ncRover on December 11, 2025, 01:54:40 pm
Maybe he believes same as me now neither improve or maintain the first team when they play. Middleton okay going down the left wing putting crosses in that's it. Hasn't scored in any of the games he's played.
Gotts a better improvement on Sbarra but that's it he's not a Clifton we need better for that role in January.
Both played in the trophy game and were substituted around the 75 minute. Both on the Bench in Chesterfield FACup game and stayed there. Neither on the Bench for Stockport

Middleton a strange signing. He is good at going on the outside and swinging crosses in, but that isn’t what wide players in McCann teams generally do. Even then, there isn’t any aerial prowess from any of the centre forwards any more to attack those crosses.
Title: Re: January
Post by: GazLaz on December 11, 2025, 02:51:43 pm
Maybe he believes same as me now neither improve or maintain the first team when they play. Middleton okay going down the left wing putting crosses in that's it. Hasn't scored in any of the games he's played.
Gotts a better improvement on Sbarra but that's it he's not a Clifton we need better for that role in January.
Both played in the trophy game and were substituted around the 75 minute. Both on the Bench in Chesterfield FACup game and stayed there. Neither on the Bench for Stockport

I initially thought Gotts could play that lot advanced Clifton role but Gotts’ defensive output throughout his career has never been very good. Probably suited to playing deeper.
Title: Re: January
Post by: In the box on December 11, 2025, 06:16:38 pm
If it is possible, ask Ajayi, Crew, Tutala and Olusanya to return to their parent clubs and bring in a more reliable keeper and another, better, striker (someone like Street).So four out and replaced by two better options.
Have you put up stocking for Santa  :santa:
Title: Re: January
Post by: In the box on December 11, 2025, 06:18:48 pm
Maybe he believes same as me now neither improve or maintain the first team when they play. Middleton okay going down the left wing putting crosses in that's it. Hasn't scored in any of the games he's played.
Gotts a better improvement on Sbarra but that's it he's not a Clifton we need better for that role in January.
Both played in the trophy game and were substituted around the 75 minute. Both on the Bench in Chesterfield FACup game and stayed there. Neither on the Bench for Stockport

Middleton a strange signing. He is good at going on the outside and swinging crosses in, but that isn’t what wide players in McCann teams generally do. Even then, there isn’t any aerial prowess from any of the centre forwards any more to attack those crosses.
Middleton is not L1 standard . He can run and put the ball in .. just can’t find a target . A one trick pony !! 
Title: Re: January
Post by: DRNaith on December 12, 2025, 08:32:12 am
Spending money does not guarantee success in football, otherwise there'd be no such thing as a cup upset. I believe that GM went into this season with the belief that we would be competitive, overall we haven't been and what happens in the next transfer window is the next indicator we have for either the owner's desire or ability to support the club.

We setup this team in August and other than coaching, nothing could be done until January.

At the start of the season it looked like we'd made some shrewed choices, not so now. However, we could have spent a lot more money, money that isn't ours, and be in the same situation.

As I say, January will be interesting
Title: Re: January
Post by: TonySoprano on December 12, 2025, 10:19:24 am
Maybe he believes same as me now neither improve or maintain the first team when they play. Middleton okay going down the left wing putting crosses in that's it. Hasn't scored in any of the games he's played.
Gotts a better improvement on Sbarra but that's it he's not a Clifton we need better for that role in January.
Both played in the trophy game and were substituted around the 75 minute. Both on the Bench in Chesterfield FACup game and stayed there. Neither on the Bench for Stockport

Middleton a strange signing. He is good at going on the outside and swinging crosses in, but that isn’t what wide players in McCann teams generally do. Even then, there isn’t any aerial prowess from any of the centre forwards any more to attack those crosses.
Middleton is not L1 standard . He can run and put the ball in .. just can’t find a target . A one trick pony !!

Disagree. There's no one to find.

With the formation GM likes to play, theres no one in the box to get on the end of his crosses
Title: Re: January
Post by: DonnyOsmond on December 13, 2025, 05:19:19 pm
Big January needed but based on what the summer signings have offered can we trust that any signings will improve us?
Title: Re: January
Post by: scawsby steve on December 13, 2025, 07:10:16 pm
This is becoming a real conundrum. Terry will surely be alarmed now at how the results are going. He'll know that it's going to take some significant recruitment next month to avoid relegation. The question remains as to how much he's prepared to fund it.

A few weeks back, I thought that a good striker and another midfielder would be enough. It's now become obvious that we need a decent keeper, and possibly another defender.

At the end of the day, it's Terry's money, and will he even be able to trust GM and the recruitment team after the shambles of the last window?
Title: Re: January
Post by: EasyforDennis on December 13, 2025, 08:55:22 pm
One thing that everyone seems to have overlooked after assuming that we will be trying to offload those players who haven’t performed and replacing them wih better players.
But what about any of our players who might appeal to other clubs?
I will be very surprised if we dont any enquiries for Mols. I haven’t been his biggest fan but recently he has been head and shoulders above the rest.